> > On 28 août, 06:44, Steve de Mena<st...@stevedemena.com> wrote: > >> On 8/26/11 2:57 AM, pianomaven wrote:
> >>> On Aug 26, 5:13 am, Steve de Mena<st...@stevedemena.com> wrote: > >>>> On 8/16/11 4:27 AM, pianomaven wrote:
> >>>>> KZ's devotion to his homeland is well-known. His Chopin Concerto > >>>>> project is an example of that. As is his support for Polish composers. > >>>>> That he lives in Zurich is irrelevant. It places him strategically in > >>>>> the center of Europe from where he can
> >>>> ... pay lower income taxes???
> >>> If that, he would live in Monaco, as Pavarotti legally did. But KZ is > >>> definitely not friven by the lust for money.
> >>> TD
> >> Monaco and Switzerland - those are the two countries one always reads > >> about as European tax havens. The fact KZ doesn't live in Poland makes > >> me wonder if tax status has something to do with it.
> >> Steve
> > Simple. If KZ was about money he would play more recitals and > > concerts. He could easily make twice as much.
> > He would also make records, which he hardly does now.
> > Switzerland is a very expensive place to live and has probably the > > same tax rate for upper incomes as the US.
> I guess we'll agree to disagree.
> Regardless of how much he concertizes or records doesn't mean one > would not want to maximize their take of that money.
> On Aug 28, 8:16 am, pianomaven <1pianoma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Aug 28, 3:39 am, herman <her...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Simple. If KZ was about money he would play more recitals and > > > concerts. He could easily make twice as much.
> > > He would also make records, which he hardly does now.
> > > Switzerland is a very expensive place to live
> > My doctor was at a convention recently. He said that he and his > > colleagues paid about $450. for breakfast for 6 at the convention > > hotel. He was simply shocked, wondering how anyone could afford to > > live there. Frankly, I never go. Very simple solution.
> People don't generally live in convention hotels. What _are_ you > talking about?
Doctors at conventions do.
Check it out. Switzerland is one of the most expensive places in the world to live. Tokyo also. London.
> On Aug 29, 5:37 am, Steve de Mena <st...@stevedemena.com> wrote:
> > I guess we'll agree to disagree.
> > Regardless of how much he concertizes or records doesn't mean one > > would not want to maximize their take of that money.
Yes, that may well be the case. After all, KZ is a human being.
However, the notion that he is in it for the money is absurd and mean- spirited. Again if he were interested in the money he would play more concerts, and he would certainly not go to the extraordinary expense of travelling with his own Steinway.
I believe no other pianist does this anymore, exactly because of the money involved, which is why there is no justification for singling out KZ for this "he's living in Switzerland because of the money" thing. He's living in Sw. because it's the proverbially centrally located country in Yurp.
> On Aug 28, 11:52 am, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > On Aug 28, 8:16 am, pianomaven <1pianoma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Aug 28, 3:39 am, herman <her...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > Simple. If KZ was about money he would play more recitals and > > > > concerts. He could easily make twice as much.
> > > > He would also make records, which he hardly does now.
> > > > Switzerland is a very expensive place to live
> > > My doctor was at a convention recently. He said that he and his > > > colleagues paid about $450. for breakfast for 6 at the convention > > > hotel. He was simply shocked, wondering how anyone could afford to > > > live there. Frankly, I never go. Very simple solution.
> > People don't generally live in convention hotels. What _are_ you > > talking about?
> Doctors at conventions do.
> Check it out. Switzerland is one of the most expensive places in the > world to live. Tokyo also. London.
Is it, then, your belief that the prices charged by "convention hotels" are representative of the cost of living of the city or resort town in which they are found?
Those two cities and one country do indeed have high costs of living. But "convention hotel" restaurants everywhere charge far more than restaurants just across the street for comparable (no, usually slower) service.
> >> Switzerland is a very expensive place to live
> > My doctor was at a convention recently. He said that he and his > > colleagues paid about $450. for breakfast for 6 at the convention > > hotel. He was simply shocked, wondering how anyone could afford to > > live there. Frankly, I never go. Very simple solution.
> > TD
> Yeah, I went there 3-4 times a year for business Just the train > tickets to Geneva - Vevey (near Lausanne) were outrageous.
My doctor was at a convention in Albany, NY, and paid $5 for breakfast at an iHop. This man is truly a genius as well, as he cured me of the fear of dying rich.
> On Aug 29, 5:37 am, Steve de Mena<st...@stevedemena.com> wrote: >> On 8/28/11 12:39 AM, herman wrote:
>>> On 28 août, 06:44, Steve de Mena<st...@stevedemena.com> wrote: >>>> On 8/26/11 2:57 AM, pianomaven wrote:
>>>>> On Aug 26, 5:13 am, Steve de Mena<st...@stevedemena.com> wrote: >>>>>> On 8/16/11 4:27 AM, pianomaven wrote:
>>>>>>> KZ's devotion to his homeland is well-known. His Chopin Concerto >>>>>>> project is an example of that. As is his support for Polish composers. >>>>>>> That he lives in Zurich is irrelevant. It places him strategically in >>>>>>> the center of Europe from where he can
>>>>>> ... pay lower income taxes???
>>>>> If that, he would live in Monaco, as Pavarotti legally did. But KZ is >>>>> definitely not friven by the lust for money.
>>>>> TD
>>>> Monaco and Switzerland - those are the two countries one always reads >>>> about as European tax havens. The fact KZ doesn't live in Poland makes >>>> me wonder if tax status has something to do with it.
>>>> Steve
>>> Simple. If KZ was about money he would play more recitals and >>> concerts. He could easily make twice as much.
>>> He would also make records, which he hardly does now.
>>> Switzerland is a very expensive place to live and has probably the >>> same tax rate for upper incomes as the US.
>> I guess we'll agree to disagree.
>> Regardless of how much he concertizes or records doesn't mean one >> would not want to maximize their take of that money.
> Of course.
> And so?
> TD
And so he'd have a valid reason to move to CH if he could negotiate a favorable tax rate. Regardless of how much he concertizes or records. I don't know at what level of income Switzerland becomes a viable tax haven. But since he mainly works outside CH he would ft one of the main criteria.
Switzerland’s most prized — and most controversial — tax break is the lump-sum concession, which is available only to those who do not work in the country. Under this scheme, an individual pays tax based on his annual living costs rather than his income. The living costs figure is based on five times that person's predicted or actual rental income. The figure is then taxed at 40 per cent.
Those who do not qualify for this concession face three types of tax: income, wealth and property. The income tax is calculated on all earned income, plus a percentage (60 per cent on average) of notional rental income based on the value of a person’s property. The wealth tax, the oldest tax in Switzerland, depends on each canton but can be up to one per cent of your net assets. The property tax is 0.001 per cent of the property’s value."
On Saturday, August 13, 2011 11:57:00 AM UTC-5, pianomaven wrote:
> On Aug 13, 8:24 am, Dufus <steveha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Aug 13, 4:57 am, pianomaven <1pianoma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > This is the fig-leaf that the Chopin Competition put on things and MA
> > > went along with it.
> > You know her, I dont, but seems very unlike Martha to acquiesce ?
> Yes, you don't know her.
> > Even for Harasiewicz.
> > Freire was also on the Warsaw jury.
> So?
> > Is Darth Veda still on the TCU ( at Foat Wuth ) faculty ?
> No idea.
> But her remarks after the AR Competition should bar her from further
> adjudicating.
> TD
Avoid being the coward - Tom Deacon. Sign your posts with your real name.
On Saturday, August 13, 2011 5:06:28 AM UTC-5, pianomaven wrote:
> On Aug 13, 12:15 am, gereco <g...@gerriecollins.com> wrote:
> > On Aug 12, 7:18 pm, pianomaven <1pianoma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Aug 12, 7:55 pm, gereco <g...@gerriecollins.com> wrote:
> > > I love jazz. But Jazz has nothing to do with the Tchaikovsky
> > > Competition.
> > You still fail to understand. This was not REAL jazz, which is
> > conpletely *improvisatory*., but Concert Jazz, fully conceived
> > beforehand and WRITTEN!
> I know that. Makes it even more dubious.
> > How else do you think that Son was able to play it in its strict
> > notated form - not with the utter freedom and improv associated with
> > genuine jazz??
> Sorry you seem to take me for the village idiot, but you don't really
> make yourself look very bright in this discussion, you know.
> > Get an education. Visit the French Quarter in New Orleans.
> Been there, done that, bought the tee-shirt. A vile place.
> > > There IS no discussion here. This, I am afraid, is simply a fact.
> > The fact is, the piece was admitted and if the powers-that-be at the
> > competition were as knowledgable as presumed, they KNEW - or looked up
> > - the work in question, and decided it was PERFECTLY acceptable.
> > Surely they had heard other jazzy works by this *Russian* composer??
> > > I stopped listening to the Cliburn many moons ago. I think it was HCS
> > > and his violation of the jury room which produced, wait for it, that
> > > great pianist Andre Michel Schub, which did me in. Then RR's continued
> > > support of that vindictive hack Darth Veda.
> > At least he hired ONE woman!
> Is that what she is?
> > But why are not people like Christina Ortiz, Ingrid Haebler, Mitsuko
> > Uchida, Ruth Slenczynska, Helene Grimaud, Ilana Vered, and DOZENS of
> > other very fine concert pianists/pedagogues ever asked? It's just the
> > Old Boys Club all over again, but it's music this time - not politics.
> Many don't want to join juries. An ungrateful task at the best of
> times.
> Funny how my loss of faith with the Van Cliburn Competition has been
> turned into a discussion of feminism by our Our Floridian Maiden.
> So very typical, I am afraid. Lucky she isn't serving on juries
> herself; she would give the prize to any hag that showed up to play.
All users posting to websites would have to post their real name and address, non-compliant posts would be axed
When people think anonymity, Anonymous and their iconic Guy Fawkes masks often pop into mind these days. But long before the members of that controversial hacker collective were a mere twinkle in their mothers' eyes, another anti-authoritarian rabble-rouser was using anonymous protest to stir up revolt against a totalitarian ruling elite. His name was Thomas Paine, and his anonymously published work Common Sense helped ignite the colonists in revolution against Britain.
> When people think anonymity, Anonymous and their iconic Guy Fawkes masks > often pop into mind these days. But long before the members of that > controversial hacker collective were a mere twinkle in their mothers' > eyes, another anti-authoritarian rabble-rouser was using anonymous > protest to stir up revolt against a totalitarian ruling elite. His name > was Thomas Paine, and his anonymously published work Common Sense helped > ignite the colonists in revolution against Britain.
Given today's political climate in the U.S., we could use a few of his ilk today! (The "Occupy" movement isn't quite doing it - probably because they are trying to cover too many issues all at once.)
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
> Given today's political climate in the U.S., we could use a few of his
> ilk today! (The "Occupy" movement isn't quite doing it - probably
> because they are trying to cover too many issues all at once.)
The Occupy movement is hampered by the press pretending they're a bunch of hedonistic hippies with no message.
