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Evans Winner

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Feb 1, 2008, 9:29:31 PM2/1/08
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Nomen Nescio <nob...@dizum.com> writes:

Armed with placards bearing the slogan 'FIGHT RACIST
MUSIC', Action Against Cultural Imperialism picketed
[Stockhausen's] concert at the Judson Hall, New York, on
8 September 1964.

On the basis of precisely what, was it concluded that
Stockhausen or his music is racist?

Bob Lombard

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Feb 1, 2008, 11:30:17 PM2/1/08
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In 1964 it hardly mattered.

bl

John D Salt

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Feb 2, 2008, 4:13:41 PM2/2/08
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Nomen Nescio <nob...@dizum.com> wrote in
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> 1964. Likewise, during the early seventies, Cornelius Cardew
> instigated a vociferous critique of idealism in culture that

Cornelius Cardew, eh? TYVM for that, you have just enhanced my enjoyment
of the 2000AD story "Skizz".

I'm "instigating a vociferous critique of idealism" right now, IYKWIM,
AITYD.

All the best,

John.

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NB

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May 8, 2008, 3:44:48 PM5/8/08
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On May 8, 6:50 am, tho...@antispam.ham wrote:

> John D Salt <jdsalt_AT_gotadsl.co.uk> writes:
>
> >> 1964. Likewise, during the early seventies, Cornelius Cardew
> >> instigated a vociferous critique of idealism in culture that
> > Cornelius Cardew, eh?  TYVM for that, you have just enhanced my enjoyment
> > of the 2000AD story "Skizz".
>
> Classic erroneous presupposition.

Unsubstantiated claim from Tholen.

>
> > I'm "instigating a vociferous critique of idealism" right now, IYKWIM,
>

> Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from Salt.

Another unsubstantiated claim from Tholen.

>
> > AITYD.
>
> Who is "AITYD", Salt?  There is nobody in this newsgroup using that
> alias.

On what basis do you think that Salt was specifying somebody, Tholen?

And on what basis do you set the X-No-Archive header to Yes, Tholen?
Don't want your trolling to be archived, eh Tholen?

tho...@antispam.ham

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May 8, 2008, 4:10:31 PM5/8/08
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NB <nobu...@gmail.com> writes:

>> John D Salt <jdsalt_AT_gotadsl.co.uk> wrote:

>>>> 1964. Likewise, during the early seventies, Cornelius Cardew
>>>> instigated a vociferous critique of idealism in culture that

>>> Cornelius Cardew, eh? =A0TYVM for that, you have just enhanced my enjoyment


>>> of the 2000AD story "Skizz".

>> Classic erroneous presupposition.

> Unsubstantiated claim from Tholen.

From an imposter, nobuyout.

>>> I'm "instigating a vociferous critique of idealism" right now, IYKWIM,

>> Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from Salt.

> Another unsubstantiated claim from Tholen.

From an imposter, nobuyout.

>>> AITYD.

>> Who is "AITYD", Salt? There is nobody in this newsgroup using that
>> alias.

> On what basis do you think that Salt was specifying somebody, Tholen?

What does your question to an imposter have to do with classical music,
nobuyout?

> And on what basis do you set the X-No-Archive header to Yes, Tholen?

What does your question to an imposter have to do with classical music,
nobuyout?

> Don't want your trolling to be archived, eh Tholen?

What does your question to an imposter have to do with classical music,
nobuyout?

NB

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May 8, 2008, 4:17:15 PM5/8/08
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On May 8, 4:10 pm, tho...@antispam.ham wrote:

> NB <nobuy...@gmail.com> writes:
> >> John D Salt <jdsalt_AT_gotadsl.co.uk> wrote:
> >>>> 1964. Likewise, during the early seventies, Cornelius Cardew
> >>>> instigated a vociferous critique of idealism in culture that
> >>> Cornelius Cardew, eh? =A0TYVM for that, you have just enhanced my enjoyment
> >>> of the 2000AD story "Skizz".
> >> Classic erroneous presupposition.
> > Unsubstantiated claim from Tholen.
>
> From an imposter, nobuyout.

Classic unsubstantiated claim from Tholen.

>
> >>> I'm "instigating a vociferous critique of idealism" right now, IYKWIM,
> >> Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from Salt.
> > Another unsubstantiated claim from Tholen.
>
> From an imposter, nobuyout.

Classic unsubstantiated claim from Tholen.

>
> >>> AITYD.
> >> Who is "AITYD", Salt?  There is nobody in this newsgroup using that
> >> alias.
> > On what basis do you think that Salt was specifying somebody, Tholen?
>
> What does your question to an imposter have to do with classical music,
> nobuyout?

Classic presupposition from Tholen.

>
> > And on what basis do you set the X-No-Archive header to Yes, Tholen?
>
> What does your question to an imposter have to do with classical music,
> nobuyout?

Classic presupposition from Tholen.

>
> > Don't want your trolling to be archived, eh Tholen?
>
> What does your question to an imposter have to do with classical music,
> nobuyout?

Classic presupposition from Tholen.

tho...@antispam.ham

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May 8, 2008, 4:37:50 PM5/8/08
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NB <nobu...@gmail.com> writes:

>>>> John D Salt <jdsalt_AT_gotadsl.co.uk> wrote:

>>>>>> 1964. Likewise, during the early seventies, Cornelius Cardew
>>>>>> instigated a vociferous critique of idealism in culture that

>>>>> Cornelius Cardew, eh? =3DA0TYVM for that, you have just enhanced my enjoyment


>>>>> of the 2000AD story "Skizz".

>>>> Classic erroneous presupposition.

>>> Unsubstantiated claim from Tholen.

>> From an imposter, nobuyout.

> Classic unsubstantiated claim from Tholen.

Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from nobuyout.

>>>>> I'm "instigating a vociferous critique of idealism" right now, IYKWIM,=

>>>> Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from Salt.
>>> Another unsubstantiated claim from Tholen.

>> From an imposter, nobuyout.

> Classic unsubstantiated claim from Tholen.

Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from nobuyout.

>>>>> AITYD.

>>>> Who is "AITYD", Salt? There is nobody in this newsgroup using that
>>>> alias.

>>> On what basis do you think that Salt was specifying somebody, Tholen?

>> What does your question to an imposter have to do with classical music,
>> nobuyout?

> Classic presupposition from Tholen.

Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from nobuyout.

>>> And on what basis do you set the X-No-Archive header to Yes, Tholen?

>> What does your question to an imposter have to do with classical music,
>> nobuyout?

> Classic presupposition from Tholen.

Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from nobuyout.

>>> Don't want your trolling to be archived, eh Tholen?

>> What does your question to an imposter have to do with classical music,
>> nobuyout?

> Classic presupposition from Tholen.

Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from nobuyout.

NB

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May 8, 2008, 4:39:53 PM5/8/08
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On May 8, 4:37 pm, tho...@antispam.ham wrote:

> NB <nobuy...@gmail.com> writes:
> >>>> John D Salt <jdsalt_AT_gotadsl.co.uk> wrote:
> >>>>>> 1964. Likewise, during the early seventies, Cornelius Cardew
> >>>>>> instigated a vociferous critique of idealism in culture that
> >>>>> Cornelius Cardew, eh? =3DA0TYVM for that, you have just enhanced my enjoyment
> >>>>> of the 2000AD story "Skizz".
> >>>> Classic erroneous presupposition.
> >>> Unsubstantiated claim from Tholen.
> >> From an imposter, nobuyout.
> > Classic unsubstantiated claim from Tholen.
>
> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from nobuyout.

On your part, Tholen, given that you did not substantiated your claim
that it was an imposter.


>
> >>>>> I'm "instigating a vociferous critique of idealism" right now, IYKWIM,=
> >>>> Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from Salt.
> >>> Another unsubstantiated claim from Tholen.
> >> From an imposter, nobuyout.
> > Classic unsubstantiated claim from Tholen.
>
> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from nobuyout.

On your part, Tholen, given that you did not substantiated your claim
that it was an imposter.

>
> >>>>> AITYD.
> >>>> Who is "AITYD", Salt?  There is nobody in this newsgroup using that
> >>>> alias.
> >>> On what basis do you think that Salt was specifying somebody, Tholen?
> >> What does your question to an imposter have to do with classical music,
> >> nobuyout?
> > Classic presupposition from Tholen.
>
> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from nobuyout.

Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from Tholen.

>
> >>> And on what basis do you set the X-No-Archive header to Yes, Tholen?
> >> What does your question to an imposter have to do with classical music,
> >> nobuyout?
> > Classic presupposition from Tholen.
>
> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from nobuyout.

Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from Tholen.

>
> >>> Don't want your trolling to be archived, eh Tholen?
> >> What does your question to an imposter have to do with classical music,
> >> nobuyout?
> > Classic presupposition from Tholen.
>
> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from nobuyout.

Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from Tholen.

tho...@antispam.ham

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May 8, 2008, 4:47:50 PM5/8/08
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NB <nobu...@gmail.com> writes:

>>>>>> John D Salt <jdsalt_AT_gotadsl.co.uk> wrote:

>>>>>>>> 1964. Likewise, during the early seventies, Cornelius Cardew
>>>>>>>> instigated a vociferous critique of idealism in culture that

>>>>>>> Cornelius Cardew, eh? =3D3DA0TYVM for that, you have just enhanced my enjoyment


>>>>>>> of the 2000AD story "Skizz".

>>>>>> Classic erroneous presupposition.

>>>>> Unsubstantiated claim from Tholen.

>>>> From an imposter, nobuyout.

>>> Classic unsubstantiated claim from Tholen.

>> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from nobuyout.

> On your part, Tholen, given that you did not substantiated your claim
> that it was an imposter.

Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from nobuyout.

>>>>>>> I'm "instigating a vociferous critique of idealism" right now, IYKWIM,

>>>>>> Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from Salt.

>>>>> Another unsubstantiated claim from Tholen.

>>>> From an imposter, nobuyout.

>>> Classic unsubstantiated claim from Tholen.

>> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from nobuyout.

> On your part, Tholen, given that you did not substantiated your claim
> that it was an imposter.

Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from nobuyout.

>>>>>>> AITYD.

>>>>>> Who is "AITYD", Salt? =A0There is nobody in this newsgroup using that
>>>>>> alias.

>>>>> On what basis do you think that Salt was specifying somebody, Tholen?

>>>> What does your question to an imposter have to do with classical music,
>>>> nobuyout?

>>> Classic presupposition from Tholen.

>> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from nobuyout.

> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from Tholen.

Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from nobuyout.

>>>>> And on what basis do you set the X-No-Archive header to Yes, Tholen?

>>>> What does your question to an imposter have to do with classical music,
>>>> nobuyout?

>>> Classic presupposition from Tholen.

>> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from nobuyout.

> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from Tholen.

Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from nobuyout.

>>>>> Don't want your trolling to be archived, eh Tholen?

>>>> What does your question to an imposter have to do with classical music,
>>>> nobuyout?

>>> Classic presupposition from Tholen.

>> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from nobuyout.

> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from Tholen.

Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from nobuyout.

NB

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May 9, 2008, 12:41:36 PM5/9/08
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On May 8, 4:47 pm, tho...@antispam.ham wrote:

> NB <nobuy...@gmail.com> writes:
> >>>>>> John D Salt <jdsalt_AT_gotadsl.co.uk> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> 1964. Likewise, during the early seventies, Cornelius Cardew
> >>>>>>>> instigated a vociferous critique of idealism in culture that
> >>>>>>> Cornelius Cardew, eh? =3D3DA0TYVM for that, you have just enhanced my enjoyment
> >>>>>>> of the 2000AD story "Skizz".
> >>>>>> Classic erroneous presupposition.
> >>>>> Unsubstantiated claim from Tholen.
> >>>> From an imposter, nobuyout.
> >>> Classic unsubstantiated claim from Tholen.
> >> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from nobuyout.
> > On your part, Tholen, given that you did not substantiated your claim
> > that it was an imposter.
>
> Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from nobuyout.

Another lie from Tholen, given that all he said was "From an imposter,
nobuyout" without providing any substantiation that it was an
imposter.

>


> >>>>>>> I'm "instigating a vociferous critique of idealism" right now, IYKWIM,
> >>>>>> Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from Salt.
> >>>>> Another unsubstantiated claim from Tholen.
> >>>> From an imposter, nobuyout.
> >>> Classic unsubstantiated claim from Tholen.
> >> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from nobuyout.
> > On your part, Tholen, given that you did not substantiated your claim
> > that it was an imposter.
>
> Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from nobuyout.

Another lie from Tholen, given that all he said was "From an imposter,
nobuyout" without providing any substantiation that it was an
imposter.

>

tho...@antispam.ham

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May 9, 2008, 3:27:01 PM5/9/08
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NB <nobu...@gmail.com> writes:

>>>>>>>> John D Salt <jdsalt_AT_gotadsl.co.uk> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>> 1964. Likewise, during the early seventies, Cornelius Cardew
>>>>>>>>>> instigated a vociferous critique of idealism in culture that

>>>>>>>>> Cornelius Cardew, eh? TYVM for that, you have just enhanced my enjoyment

>>>>>>>> Classic erroneous presupposition.

>>>>>>> Unsubstantiated claim from Tholen.

>>>>>> From an imposter, nobuyout.

> Another lie from Tholen,

>>>>>> From an imposter, nobuyout.

> Another lie from Tholen,

>>>>>>>>> AITYD.

>>>>>>>> Who is "AITYD", Salt? There is nobody in this newsgroup using that
>>>>>>>> alias.

>>>>>>> On what basis do you think that Salt was specifying somebody, Tholen?

>>>>>> What does your question to an imposter have to do with classical music,
>>>>>> nobuyout?

>>>>> Classic presupposition from Tholen.

>>>> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from nobuyout.

>>> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from Tholen.

>> Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from nobuyout.

> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from Tholen.

Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from nobuyout.

>>>>>>> And on what basis do you set the X-No-Archive header to Yes, Tholen?

>>>>>> What does your question to an imposter have to do with classical music,
>>>>>> nobuyout?

>>>>> Classic presupposition from Tholen.

>>>> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from nobuyout.

>>> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from Tholen.

>> Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from nobuyout.

> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from Tholen.

Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from nobuyout.

>>>>>>> Don't want your trolling to be archived, eh Tholen?

>>>>>> What does your question to an imposter have to do with classical music,
>>>>>> nobuyout?

>>>>> Classic presupposition from Tholen.

>>>> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from nobuyout.

>>> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from Tholen.

>> Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from nobuyout.

> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from Tholen.

Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from nobuyout.

bisecti...@gmail.com

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May 9, 2008, 7:12:53 PM5/9/08
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On May 8, 6:50 am, tho...@antispam.ham wrote:
> John D Salt <jdsalt_AT_gotadsl.co.uk> writes:
>
> >> 1964. Likewise, during the early seventies, Cornelius Cardew
> >> instigated a vociferous critique of idealism in culture that
> > Cornelius Cardew, eh? TYVM for that, you have just enhanced my enjoyment
> > of the 2000AD story "Skizz".
>
> Classic erroneous presupposition.

>
> > I'm "instigating a vociferous critique of idealism" right now, IYKWIM,
>
> Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from Salt.
>
> > AITYD.
>
> Who is "AITYD", Salt? There is nobody in this newsgroup using that
> alias.

What a disappointment - I was actually hoping for talk about
Stockhausen, but it was the fake Tholen.

Question for the real Tholen - do you know Stockhausen's clarinet
music- what do you think of it?

tho...@antispam.ham

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May 9, 2008, 8:02:34 PM5/9/08
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bisecti...@gmail.com writes:

>> John D Salt <jdsalt_AT_gotadsl.co.uk> wrote:

>>>> 1964. Likewise, during the early seventies, Cornelius Cardew
>>>> instigated a vociferous critique of idealism in culture that

>>> Cornelius Cardew, eh? TYVM for that, you have just enhanced my enjoyment
>>> of the 2000AD story "Skizz".

>> Classic erroneous presupposition.

>>> I'm "instigating a vociferous critique of idealism" right now, IYKWIM,

>> Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from Salt.

>>> AITYD.

>> Who is "AITYD", Salt? There is nobody in this newsgroup using that
>> alias.

> What a disappointment - I was actually hoping for talk about
> Stockhausen, but it was the fake Tholen.

On what basis do you use the definite artocle "the", bisectional? Do
you know for a fact that there is only one imposter?

> Question for the real Tholen - do you know Stockhausen's clarinet
> music- what do you think of it?

Non sequitur.

Art Deco

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May 11, 2008, 11:33:43 PM5/11/08
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:nelohT

>bisecti...@gmail.com writes:
>
>>> John D Salt <jdsalt_AT_gotadsl.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>>>> 1964. Likewise, during the early seventies, Cornelius Cardew
>>>>> instigated a vociferous critique of idealism in culture that
>
>>>> Cornelius Cardew, eh? TYVM for that, you have just enhanced my enjoyment
>>>> of the 2000AD story "Skizz".
>
>>> Classic erroneous presupposition.
>
>>>> I'm "instigating a vociferous critique of idealism" right now, IYKWIM,
>
>>> Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from Salt.
>
>>>> AITYD.
>
>>> Who is "AITYD", Salt? There is nobody in this newsgroup using that
>>> alias.
>
>> What a disappointment - I was actually hoping for talk about
>> Stockhausen, but it was the fake Tholen.
>
>On what basis do you use the definite artocle "the", bisectional? Do
>you know for a fact that there is only one imposter?

How ironic, considering that Tholen routinely digests multiple posters
into the same bins in his precious and obsessive post counts.


>
>> Question for the real Tholen - do you know Stockhausen's clarinet
>> music- what do you think of it?
>
>Non sequitur.

More irony.

--
"Substantiation that you regard yourself as a God to be worhsipped [sic]
should be your concern, Deco."
-- David Tholen

NB

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May 12, 2008, 12:10:00 PM5/12/08
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On May 9, 3:27 pm, tho...@antispam.ham wrote:

> NB <nobuy...@gmail.com> writes:
> >>>>>>>> John D Salt <jdsalt_AT_gotadsl.co.uk> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> 1964. Likewise, during the early seventies, Cornelius Cardew
> >>>>>>>>>> instigated a vociferous critique of idealism in culture that
> >>>>>>>>> Cornelius Cardew, eh?  TYVM for that, you have just enhanced my enjoyment
> >>>>>>>>> of the 2000AD story "Skizz".
> >>>>>>>> Classic erroneous presupposition.
> >>>>>>> Unsubstantiated claim from Tholen.
> >>>>>> From an imposter, nobuyout.
> >>>>> Classic unsubstantiated claim from Tholen.
> >>>> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from nobuyout.
> >>> On your part, Tholen, given that you did not substantiated your claim
> >>> that it was an imposter.
> >> Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from nobuyout.
> > Another lie from Tholen,
>
> Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from nobuyout.

Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from Tholen.

>


> > given that all he said was "From an imposter,
> > nobuyout" without providing any substantiation that it was an
> > imposter.
>
> Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from nobuyout.

Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from Tholen.

>


> >>>>>>>>> I'm "instigating a vociferous critique of idealism" right now, IYKWIM,
> >>>>>>>> Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from Salt.
> >>>>>>> Another unsubstantiated claim from Tholen.
> >>>>>> From an imposter, nobuyout.
> >>>>> Classic unsubstantiated claim from Tholen.
> >>>> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from nobuyout.
> >>> On your part, Tholen, given that you did not substantiated your claim
> >>> that it was an imposter.
> >> Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from nobuyout.
> > Another lie from Tholen,
>
> Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from nobuyout.

Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from Tholen.

>


> > given that all he said was "From an imposter,
> > nobuyout" without providing any substantiation that it was an
> > imposter.
>
> Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from nobuyout.

Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from Tholen.

tho...@antispam.ham

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May 12, 2008, 3:02:25 PM5/12/08
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NB <nobu...@gmail.com> writes:

>>>>>>>>>> John D Salt <jdsalt_AT_gotadsl.co.uk> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>> 1964. Likewise, during the early seventies, Cornelius Cardew
>>>>>>>>>>>> instigated a vociferous critique of idealism in culture that

>>>>>>>>>>> Cornelius Cardew, eh? =A0TYVM for that, you have just enhanced my enjoyment

>>>>>>>>>> Classic erroneous presupposition.

>>>>>>>>> Unsubstantiated claim from Tholen.

>>>>>>>> From an imposter, nobuyout.

>>> Another lie from Tholen,

>>>>>>>> From an imposter, nobuyout.

>>> Another lie from Tholen,

>>>>>>>>>>> AITYD.

>>>>>>>>>> Who is "AITYD", Salt? =A0There is nobody in this newsgroup using that
>>>>>>>>>> alias.

>>>>>>>>> On what basis do you think that Salt was specifying somebody, Tholen?

>>>>>>>> What does your question to an imposter have to do with classical music,
>>>>>>>> nobuyout?

>>>>>>> Classic presupposition from Tholen.

>>>>>> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from nobuyout.

>>>>> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from Tholen.

>>>> Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from nobuyout.

>>> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from Tholen.

>> Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from nobuyout.

> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from Tholen.

Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from nobuyout.

>>>>>>>>> And on what basis do you set the X-No-Archive header to Yes, Tholen?

>>>>>>>> What does your question to an imposter have to do with classical music,
>>>>>>>> nobuyout?

>>>>>>> Classic presupposition from Tholen.

>>>>>> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from nobuyout.

>>>>> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from Tholen.

>>>> Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from nobuyout.

>>> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from Tholen.

>> Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from nobuyout.

> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from Tholen.

Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from nobuyout.

>>>>>>>>> Don't want your trolling to be archived, eh Tholen?

>>>>>>>> What does your question to an imposter have to do with classical music,
>>>>>>>> nobuyout?

>>>>>>> Classic presupposition from Tholen.

>>>>>> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from nobuyout.

>>>>> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from Tholen.

>>>> Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from nobuyout.

>>> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from Tholen.

>> Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from nobuyout.

> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from Tholen.

Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from nobuyout.

NB

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May 12, 2008, 4:37:41 PM5/12/08
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On May 9, 8:02 pm, tho...@antispam.ham wrote:

> bisectional2...@gmail.com writes:
> > Question for the real Tholen - do you know Stockhausen's clarinet
> > music- what do you think of it?
>
> Non sequitur.

More proof that Tholen is a troll. Tholen was asked an on-topic
question about classical music, and he did not answer the question.

tho...@antispam.ham

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May 12, 2008, 5:37:57 PM5/12/08
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NB <nobu...@gmail.com> writes:

>> bisecti...@gmail.com wrote:

>>> Question for the real Tholen - do you know Stockhausen's clarinet
>>> music- what do you think of it?

>> Non sequitur.

> More proof that Tholen is a troll.

Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.

> Tholen was asked an on-topic
> question about classical music,

The question was non sequitur, nobuyout.

> and he did not answer the question.

Why should I answer a non sequitur question, nobuyout?

NB

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May 13, 2008, 1:20:30 PM5/13/08
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On May 12, 5:37 pm, tho...@antispam.ham wrote:
> NB <nobuy...@gmail.com> writes:
> >> bisectional2...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> Question for the real Tholen - do you know Stockhausen's clarinet
> >>> music- what do you think of it?
> >> Non sequitur.
> > More proof that Tholen is a troll.
>
> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.

Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from Tholen.
>


> > Tholen was asked an on-topic
> > question about classical music,
>
> The question was non sequitur, nobuyout.

Classic illogic from Tholen, given that if bisectional had asked a
sequitur question, Tholen most likely would have responded with "What
does that have to do with classical music?"

>
> > and he did not answer the question.
>
> Why should I answer a non sequitur question, nobuyout?

Because if it is on-topic, and you do not answer it, then you are just
trolling.

tho...@antispam.ham

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May 13, 2008, 5:11:48 PM5/13/08
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NB <nobu...@gmail.com> writes:

>>>> bisecti...@gmail.com wrote:

>>>>> Question for the real Tholen - do you know Stockhausen's clarinet
>>>>> music- what do you think of it?

>>>> Non sequitur.

>>> More proof that Tholen is a troll.

>> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.

> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from Tholen.

Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from nobuyout.

>>> Tholen was asked an on-topic
>>> question about classical music,

>> The question was non sequitur, nobuyout.

> Classic illogic from Tholen,

Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from nobuyout.

> given that if bisectional had asked a
> sequitur question, Tholen most likely would have responded with "What
> does that have to do with classical music?"

On what basis do you make that claim, nobuyout?

>>> and he did not answer the question.

>> Why should I answer a non sequitur question, nobuyout?

> Because if it is on-topic, and you do not answer it, then you are just
> trolling.

Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from nobuyout.

NB

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May 14, 2008, 12:26:37 PM5/14/08
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On May 13, 5:11 pm, tho...@antispam.ham wrote:
> NB <nobuy...@gmail.com> writes:
> >>>> bisectional2...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>> Question for the real Tholen - do you know Stockhausen's clarinet
> >>>>> music- what do you think of it?
> >>>> Non sequitur.
> >>> More proof that Tholen is a troll.
> >> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.
> > Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from Tholen.
>
> Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from nobuyout.

Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from Tholen.

>
> >>> Tholen was asked an on-topic
> >>> question about classical music,
> >> The question was non sequitur, nobuyout.
> > Classic illogic from Tholen,
>
> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from nobuyout.

Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from Tholen, given that he
asked me "On what basis do you make that claim" in the next section.

>
> > given that if bisectional had asked a
> > sequitur question, Tholen most likely would have responded with "What
> > does that have to do with classical music?"
>
> On what basis do you make that claim, nobuyout?

On the basis of your history, Tholen.

>
> >>> and he did not answer the question.
> >> Why should I answer a non sequitur question, nobuyout?
> > Because if it is on-topic, and you do not answer it, then you are just
> > trolling.
>
> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from nobuyout.

Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from Tholen.

tho...@antispam.ham

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May 14, 2008, 4:51:02 PM5/14/08
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NB <nobu...@gmail.com> writes:

>>>>>> bisecti...@gmail.com wrote:

>>>>>>> Question for the real Tholen - do you know Stockhausen's clarinet
>>>>>>> music- what do you think of it?

>>>>>> Non sequitur.

>>>>> More proof that Tholen is a troll.

>>>> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.

>>> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from Tholen.

>> Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from nobuyout.

> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from Tholen.

Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from nobuyout.

>>>>> Tholen was asked an on-topic
>>>>> question about classical music,

>>>> The question was non sequitur, nobuyout.

>>> Classic illogic from Tholen,

>> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from nobuyout.

> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from Tholen, given that he
> asked me "On what basis do you make that claim" in the next section.

Classic illogic from nobuyout.

>>> given that if bisectional had asked a
>>> sequitur question, Tholen most likely would have responded with "What
>>> does that have to do with classical music?"

>> On what basis do you make that claim, nobuyout?

> On the basis of your history, Tholen.

Classic erroneous presupposition.

>>>>> and he did not answer the question.

>>>> Why should I answer a non sequitur question, nobuyout?

>>> Because if it is on-topic, and you do not answer it, then you are just
>>> trolling.

>> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from nobuyout.

> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from Tholen.

Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from nobuyout.

NB

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May 15, 2008, 3:29:27 PM5/15/08
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On May 14, 4:51 pm, tho...@antispam.ham wrote:
> NB <nobuy...@gmail.com> writes:

there is nothing to presuppose about his/her/its history.

>
> >>>>> and he did not answer the question.
> >>>> Why should I answer a non sequitur question, nobuyout?
> >>> Because if it is on-topic, and you do not answer it, then you are just
> >>> trolling.
> >> Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from nobuyout.
> > Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from Tholen.
>
> Another unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from nobuyout.

Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim from Tholen.

Adam Funk

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May 15, 2008, 4:41:03 PM5/15/08
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On 2008-02-01, Nomen Nescio wrote:

> To draw attention to this state of affairs, the Neoist
> Alliance decided to disrupt Ian Stuart's performance of
> Harlequin at the Pavilion Theatre, Brighton, on 15 May
> 1993. This was not the first time Stockhausen had been
> targeted as a particularly obnoxious representative of 'high
> art'. Armed with placards bearing the slogan 'FIGHT RACIST
> MUSIC', Action Against Cultural Imperialism picketed his
...
> spokesperson. Stockhausen has claimed that much of his music
> is dictated to him by beings from a superior civilisation
> who live in a distant galaxy. The propaganda of the Neoist
> Alliance was designed to expose the mystical aura in which
> the composer shrouds his works as a blatant fraud.

A bit of googling (following the revival of this hooey) suggests that
it was probably copied from this page entitled "occult rites,
levitating buildings, fighting racism in music":

http://www.stewarthomesociety.org/neoism/stock.htm

The Neoists claim to have been trying to infiltrate Freemasonry too,
or perhaps fighting the infiltration.

They're militant, but apparently not militating in favour of
readability. Wrong galaxy?


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