Is music the greatest art?
Cathy Parker
artform because of its pragmatic uses in the preservation and upkeep
of civilization, I think music is the greatest, most sublime,
powerful, and awesome artform.
And, it's the only art where you either have it or you don't. Any old
lady can learn to paint a decent picture; anyone can learn to make
decent ceramics but there's only great music and bad music. Decent
music is bad music. It's shit. Music has to be great and the only ones
who can compose great music were born with that talent. Call it a
divine gift. And, music is the only artform that penetrates deeply
and completely into the audience. There is no distance between music
and the listener. You become totally immersed in music; its impact on
your soul is total.
And consider other artforms at their highest peak. They take on the
quality of music. The greatest paintings are visual music of texture,
color, shapes. Greatest images in cinema are analogous to music,
flowing and weaving, organic. Scorsese's Casino is movie as music.
Same could be said of the greatest novels.
Take Truman Capote, for example.
It's the nature of sound. It reverberates and resonates much deeper
than any other stimuli. You can SEE what's in front of you but music
defies forms, directions. It's all over, it's within and without. And,
nothing triggers imagination like music. I'd rather listen to a movie
with no images than watch it without sound. You can see images take
shape just from sound alone yet try watching any talkie silently and
you grow restless.
Nicolai P. Zwar
> While I'm willing to concede that literature is the most important
> artform because of its pragmatic uses in the preservation and upkeep
> of civilization, I think music is the greatest, most sublime,
> powerful, and awesome artform.
That's your prerogative.
> And, it's the only art where you either have it or you don't.
And that's a highly dubious, unsupported claim.
> Any old
> lady can learn to paint a decent picture; anyone can learn to make
> decent ceramics but there's only great music and bad music.
If you think so...
> Decent
> music is bad music.
Illogical. If the music is "decent", it obviously cannot be bad, because
then it wouldn't be decent.
> It's shit.
If it's shit, it obviously cannot be decent.
> Music has to be great and the only ones
> who can compose great music were born with that talent.
Another highly dubious, unsupported claim.
> Call it a
> divine gift. And, music is the only artform that penetrates deeply
> and completely into the audience. There is no distance between music
> and the listener. You become totally immersed in music; its impact on
> your soul is total.
Doubtful.
> And consider other artforms at their highest peak. They take on the
> quality of music.
In what way?
> The greatest paintings are visual music of texture,
> color, shapes.
You could just as well say that the greatest symphonies are acoustic
pictures of sounds, timbre, and form.
> Greatest images in cinema are analogous to music,
> flowing and weaving, organic. Scorsese's Casino is movie as music.
> Same could be said of the greatest novels.
> Take Truman Capote, for example.
>
> It's the nature of sound. It reverberates and resonates much deeper
> than any other stimuli.
Another dubious claim. Not every human being responds to music or to
other art forms in the same way
> You can SEE what's in front of you but music
> defies forms, directions. It's all over, it's within and without. And,
> nothing triggers imagination like music. I'd rather listen to a movie
> with no images than watch it without sound.
Ditto.
> You can see images take
> shape just from sound alone yet try watching any talkie silently and
> you grow restless.
Okay, I get it: you really, really like music. Well, good for you.
--
Nicolai Zwar
http://www.nicolaizwar.com
Shorty Blackwell
> It's the nature of sound. It reverberates and resonates much deeper
> than any other stimuli. You can SEE what's in front of you but music
> defies forms, directions. It's all over, it's within and without.
Yes, consider the guitar alone: it's pure vibration that we are
hearing -- vibration of the string. How absolute is that?
David E. Latane
On 18 Sep 2003, Shorty Blackwell wrote:
> >And,
> > nothing triggers imagination like music. I'd rather listen to a movie
> > with no images than watch it without sound. You can see images take
> > shape just from sound alone
The problem with this is that with most Hollywood movies, and especially
those scored by the likes of Jonathan Williams, the imgae that takes shape
looks like something the cat slipped up.
D. Latane
Mazzolata
> lady can learn to paint a decent picture; anyone can learn to make
> decent ceramics but there's only great music and bad music. Decent
> music is bad music. It's shit. Music has to be great and the only ones
> who can compose great music were born with that talent. Call it a
> divine gift. And, music is the only artform that penetrates deeply
> and completely into the audience. There is no distance between music
> and the listener. You become totally immersed in music; its impact on
> your soul is total.
'quasi-mystical bullshit'. And guess what, I'm right.
Robert Briggs
>
> While I'm willing to concede that literature is the most important
> artform because of its pragmatic uses in the preservation and upkeep
> of civilization, I think music is the greatest, most sublime,
> powerful, and awesome artform.
Well, Cathy, if you can say "Handel" and "Messiah" then there's no
need whatsoever to choose between music and literature.
francis muir
"Robert Briggs" <Robert...@BITphysics.orgBUCKET> wrote:
I knooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow
Thaaaaaaaaaaaa HaaaaaaaaaaaaaaT My
&c., &c.
Dr.Matt
But the mystical BS does relate, in part, to something real--though
that reality is by no means exclusive to music. One of the potential
uses for any art or bit of show business is for the audience member to
temporarily retreat from reality into a reverie--an imaginary world
populated with images, stories, and patterns which have nothing to do
with reality. Why exactly it is that people like to do that, I don't
know--but we do.
--
Matthew H. Fields http://personal.www.umich.edu/~fields
Music: Splendor in Sound
Brights have a naturalistic world-view. http://www.the-brights.net/
tomca...@yanospamhoo.com
> While I'm willing to concede that literature is the most important
> artform because of its pragmatic uses in the preservation and upkeep
> of civilization, I think music is the greatest, most sublime,
> powerful, and awesome artform.
Schopenhauer would agree with you:
"The composer reveals the innermost nature of the world, and expresses
the profoundest wisdom in a language that his reasoning faculties do not
understand, just as a magnetic somnambulist gives information about things
of which he has no conception awake."
My opinion is that you tend to lionize what you like. I find extended
listening at a concert boring, I would much rather attend a play.
One day I would like to experience synesthesia.
Dr.Matt
Interestingly enough, mesmerism is no longer popular--but magnetic
bracelet therapy has been recently revived despite the fact that it's
useless.
Marcello Penso
catherine...@hotmail.com says...
<snip>
The greatest art is architecture.
By definition.
Marcello
Alan Watkins
I am just an old musician but I would suggest that you are all missing
the point. I cannot say that music is the "greatest art" for the
simple reason that it is a different art from those mentioned.
A painter creates his/her picture. A poet completes his/her final
stanza.
That is their creation, love it or hate it. Great or otherwise, they
complete it.
I play in a "moving" art. I have guidelines in the form of notes or
phrasing but every time I create it that is unique to that moment. It
is not on a canvas, nor on a written page.
If I play the same work from Monday through Saturday there is every
chance that it will be different on every night of that week.
I do not know a lot about images but Mr Williams is, at least, a sound
orchestral writer and I think your comments somewhat unfair. A film
composer has to match what is on the screen (and often only has
seconds of "rushes" to match it).
Speaking personally, the Imperial March is a great piece of writing
(just as full of menace as Mars from the Planets by Mr Holst in my
opinion and, by the way, considerably more difficult for the timpanist
(five drums and some interesting "sticking") and in that respect it
owes far more to Janacek than Hollywood).
When Hagrid introduces Harry Potter to Diagon Alley I think that is
beautiful writing which catches the moment very well indeed. The
moment of the film, that is. When the "first years" march into the
hall to go before the "Sorting Hat" I think he also captures it well.
I have personally played great film music by Alfred Newman, Bernard
Hermann, John Williams and a bloke called Shostakovich and it did not
seem inferior to me.
I may be biased. I have always played the music (and made my
judgement, right or wrong) without seeing the film first. I just go
by the music.
Kind regards,
Alan M. Watkins
Sawfish
An interesting but fundmentally flawed premise.
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Sawfish: A totally unreconstructed elasmobranch.
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tomca...@yanospamhoo.com
> The greatest art is architecture.
One problem with architecture is that not everyone can practice. It would
be wonderful if we could all design our own dwellings.
francis muir
"tomca...@yaNOSPAMhoo.com" <tomca...@yaNOSPAMhoo.com> wrote:
If the homeless can then you can.
Your Pal Brian
Christopher Alexander says we should.
Brian
Brett A. Pasternack
Mazzolata
>
> But the mystical BS does relate, in part, to something real--though
> that reality is by no means exclusive to music. One of the potential
> uses for any art or bit of show business is for the audience member to
> temporarily retreat from reality into a reverie--an imaginary world
> populated with images, stories, and patterns which have nothing to do
> with reality. Why exactly it is that people like to do that, I don't
> know--but we do.
True, and as you say, this is not music specific. Some people get
mystical in a room full of Rothko paintings.
Mazzolata
> Quit the crossposting. It's rude.
Stop whining, it's pathetic. Or at least change the fucking followups.
dobe...@deletesocal.rr.com
wrote:
>"Brett A. Pasternack" <bret...@erols.com> wrote in message news:<3F6A94...@erols.com>...
>> Quit the crossposting. It's rude.
>
>Stop whining, it's pathetic. Or at least change the fucking followups.
Quit slamming someone who stands up for netiquette. It's disgusting.
francis muir
3d221894.0309...@posting.google.com, "Mazzolata"
<mazz...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Only in Houston and only then if they've
been told to by Dominique de Menil.
francis muir
"dobe...@DELETEsocal.rr.com" <dobe...@DELETEsocal.rr.com> wrote:
Netiquette is disgusting? Prissy is the word that comes
to my mind. Jane Austen - can you imagine her posting
here? - Our Jane would have called it missish.
Brett A. Pasternack
If I were actually participating in the thread, I would change the
followups. But the point here is to make sure that people know that this
is not supposed to be done.
If you don't like the whining, I suggest you make damn sure that your
posts aren't being crossposted to my newsgroup anymore.
Mazzolata
It's not a breach of 'netiquette' (how quaint!) to cross post if all
the groups are relevant. The original post was about the relation of
music to the other arts. Hmm, all the groups posted to were arts
related ...
Peter T. Daniels
"Your" newsgroup? I don't see a newsgroup up there with your name on it.
(Don't scoff -- some people have vanity newsgroups of their very own.)
--
Peter T. Daniels gram...@att.net
John Harrington
"Peter T. Daniels" <gram...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:3F6BC8...@worldnet.att.net...
Name some.
J
Peter T. Daniels
alt.fan.uncle-davey
John Harrington
I deny that's a vanity newsgroup. And you said "vanity newsgroups".
J
Dr.Matt
Albert Silverman, Wednesday aka Beverley White, Karl Malden's nose.
Dr.Matt
francis muir
mazzolata
>>"Your" newsgroup? I don't see a newsgroup up there with your name on it.
>>
>>(Don't scoff -- some people have vanity newsgroups of their very own.)
>
>
> Name some.
Why are you so antagonistic? Anyone who's been around the internet for a
while know that this is true.
Try alt.genius.bill-palmer, for one.
Jerry Kohl
> Adorno thought so.
I don't doubt you, but could you cite chapter and verse, please?
--
Jerry Kohl <jerom...@comcast.net>
"Légpárnás hajóm tele van angolnákkal."
Sam Culotta
news:c8ae7594.03091...@posting.google.com...
I share your love for music but I think you make your point a little too
strenuously. These questions always make for stimulating conversation but
have no answer really, do they?
This much I think is true: music is the first art, probably the most
direct, most primal, from the flow of our blood, the rhythm of our heart,
and the sound of our voice. It's the one we respond to first since most of
us ( maybe a few around here aside ) can't read poetry or appreciate Monet
until we're out of swaddling clothes.
Sam
John Harrington
> In article <RxXab.81$vS...@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
> John Harrington <bear...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> >"Peter T. Daniels" <gram...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> >news:3F6BC8...@worldnet.att.net...
> >> Brett A. Pasternack wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Mazzolata wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > "Brett A. Pasternack" <bret...@erols.com> wrote in message
> news:<3F6A94...@erols.com>...
> >> > > > Quit the crossposting. It's rude.
> >> > >
> >> > > Stop whining, it's pathetic. Or at least change the fucking followups.
> >> >
> >> > If I were actually participating in the thread, I would change the
> >> > followups. But the point here is to make sure that people know that this
> >> > is not supposed to be done.
> >> >
> >> > If you don't like the whining, I suggest you make damn sure that your
> >> > posts aren't being crossposted to my newsgroup anymore.
> >>
> >> "Your" newsgroup? I don't see a newsgroup up there with your name on it.
> >>
> >> (Don't scoff -- some people have vanity newsgroups of their very own.)
> >
> >Name some.
>
> Albert Silverman, Wednesday aka Beverley White, Karl Malden's nose.
To be "vanity" NGs they have to be started or at least proposed by the
person in the NG name.
J
Dr.Matt
francis muir
<jerom...@comcast.net> wrote:
> francis muir wrote:
>
>> Adorno thought so.
>
> I don't doubt you, but could you cite chapter and verse, please?
You want me to dive into Adorno again? No thank you very much.
Peter T. Daniels
Since I automatically remove them from the distribution list, I have no
reason to remember their names. But Uncle Davey is a fairly frequent
contributor to sci.lang.
What is it if not a vanity newsgroup?
Peter T. Daniels
ditto.
Peter T. Daniels
There's a considerable secondary literature on Adorno, and that seems
like the sort of thing anyone writing about him would mention.
Brett A. Pasternack
>
> Brett A. Pasternack wrote:
> > If you don't like the whining, I suggest you make damn sure that your
> > posts aren't being crossposted to my newsgroup anymore.
>
> "Your" newsgroup? I don't see a newsgroup up there with your name on it.
It's "my newsgroup" in the same sense that the place I live in is "my
hometown"...I don't own or control it, I'm just part of it.
Now stop cross-posting here.
mazzolata
As you haven't deigned to tell us *which* newsgroup you staked your
claim in, that's kinda hard to do, bub ...
John Harrington
An eponyomous newsgroup.
J
Dr.Matt
I don't think Adorno would have appreciated such diving.
y
John Harrington
"John Harrington" <bear...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:NX7bb.575$gR1...@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
eponymous, I mean.
J
Peter T. Daniels
You know "eponym" but you don't know "enumerate"? Weird.
What do you suppose a vanity newsgroup is?
Peter T. Daniels
That's the second time you've commanded that without deigning to
identify "here."
tomca...@yanospamhoo.com
> Adorno thought so.
In defense of RAB, I claim literature is superior to music because literature
can introduce one to the pathologies and dysfunctions of others, and so you
may recognize them in your own life. Music may sooth the savage breast, but
it cannot make you wiser.
tomca...@yanospamhoo.com
> What do you suppose a vanity newsgroup is?
rec.arts.books is a vanity newsgroup, everybody thinks it's about them.
I really don't see why you others bother to post.
francis muir
"tomca...@yaNOSPAMhoo.com" <tomca...@yaNOSPAMhoo.com> wrote:
I concur. We are here to publish our thoughts without fear of rejection
slip.
Ryan Tanaka
Humor is the greatest art.
John Harrington
As I said earlier, it could only be a newsgroup created or at least
propsed by the person in the NG name.
J
Peter T. Daniels
Such as, for instance, alt.fan.uncle-davey -- he even complained about
my deleting it from the list.
Now why would you suppose alt.fan.uncle-davey _isn't_ a vanity
newsgroup?
Dr.Matt
You said this later, not earlier. It came AFTER your declaration that
there's no such thing as a vanity newsgroup. Even by this definition,
alt.fan.wednesday qualifies--but there's no reason for us to go over
the slippery slope of redefinition with you.
Dr.Matt
The Britons.
John Harrington
"Dr.Matt" <fie...@millipede.gpcc.itd.umich.edu> wrote in message
news:Lkpbb.2827$H91....@news.itd.umich.edu...
Not that it matters at all to you, I'm sure, but I never said any such
thing.
> Even by this definition,
> alt.fan.wednesday qualifies--but there's no reason for us to go over
> the slippery slope of redefinition with you.
How do you arrive at that conclusion?
John
John Harrington
Were you able to read English, you would realize that I never supposed it
isn't a vanity newsgroup. I denied that it was. Remember? It was you who
proposed that it was and, as usual, you have offered nothing but empty
assertions without a single shred of evidence.
John
Brett A. Pasternack
>
> Brett A. Pasternack wrote:
> >
> > Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > >
> > > Brett A. Pasternack wrote:
> >
> > > > If you don't like the whining, I suggest you make damn sure that your
> > > > posts aren't being crossposted to my newsgroup anymore.
> > >
> > > "Your" newsgroup? I don't see a newsgroup up there with your name on it.
> >
> > It's "my newsgroup" in the same sense that the place I live in is "my
> > hometown"...I don't own or control it, I'm just part of it.
> >
> > Now stop cross-posting here.
>
> That's the second time you've commanded that without deigning to
> identify "here."
The 1960s group, but I really don't see why this should be cross-posted
to *any* of them.
Dr.Matt
Wednesday made the group herself--but even alt.fan.albert-silverman is a
vanity newsgroup.
how...@brazee.net
people will page down a bunch of times to find out if something worthwhile
has been posted this time?
Peter T. Daniels
Oh, fuck off and quit lying.
Peter T. Daniels
Have you never noticed that if you hold your mouse down over the scroll
bar, the "paging" happens all by itself?
Coby Beck
message
> > >
> > > As I said earlier, it could only be a newsgroup created or at least
> > > propsed by the person in the NG name.
> >
> > Such as, for instance, alt.fan.uncle-davey -- he even complained about
> > my deleting it from the list.
> >
> > Now why would you suppose alt.fan.uncle-davey _isn't_ a vanity
> > newsgroup?
>
> Were you able to read English, you would realize that I never supposed it
> isn't a vanity newsgroup. I denied that it was. Remember? It was you
who
get a life, John.
Best wishes,
Coby
mazzolata
> Have you never noticed that if you hold your mouse down over the scroll
> bar, the "paging" happens all by itself?
Yeah, but it's still a pain in the ass, I agree with Howard. You should
quote the minimum needed to provide relevancy, IMO.
(One NG trimmed to keep the pissers quiet)
Dr.Matt
Peter T. Daniels <gram...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>how...@brazee.net wrote:
>>
>> What's with all of the real long posts with a one-line addition? How many
>> people will page down a bunch of times to find out if something worthwhile
>> has been posted this time?
>
>Have you never noticed that if you hold your mouse down over the scroll
>bar, the "paging" happens all by itself?
Not in trn over ssh.
John Harrington
On 9/19 at 8:24pm, Peter asserted:
"...some people have vanity newsgroups of their very own."
On 9/20 at 5:15am, I asked him to:
"Name some."
On 9/20 at 5:19am, Peter responded with:
"alt.fan.uncle-davey"
On 9/20 at 5:28am, I wrote:
"I deny that's a vanity newsgroup. And you said 'vanity newsgroups'."
Peter will now fail to provide evidence for his outrageous claim that I am
"lying", just as he failed to provide evidence for his claim that "some
people have vanity newsgroups of their very own".
J
mazzolata
> Peter will now fail to provide evidence for his outrageous claim that I am
> "lying", just as he failed to provide evidence for his claim that "some
> people have vanity newsgroups of their very own".
Fuckwit.
Jerry Kohl
What--do you mean people have been adding comments at the end? I thought it
was just another case of machine-generated multiple postings!
--
Jerry Kohl <jerom...@comcast.net>
"Légpárnás hajóm tele van angolnákkal."
Daniel Kolle
>
>"Peter T. Daniels" <gram...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
>news:3F6BC8...@worldnet.att.net...
>> Brett A. Pasternack wrote:
>> >
>> > Mazzolata wrote:
>> > >
>> > > "Brett A. Pasternack" <bret...@erols.com> wrote in message
>news:<3F6A94...@erols.com>...
>> > > > Quit the crossposting. It's rude.
>> > >
>> > > Stop whining, it's pathetic. Or at least change the fucking followups.
>> >
>> > If I were actually participating in the thread, I would change the
>> > followups. But the point here is to make sure that people know that this
>> > is not supposed to be done.
>> >
>> > If you don't like the whining, I suggest you make damn sure that your
>> > posts aren't being crossposted to my newsgroup anymore.
>>
>> "Your" newsgroup? I don't see a newsgroup up there with your name on it.
>>
>> (Don't scoff -- some people have vanity newsgroups of their very own.)
>
>Name some.
I have one--somewhere. I think.
--
-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 15 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, and Gustav Mahler are my Gods.
Madly Insane EAC Scientist.
Coby Beck
> "Peter T. Daniels" <gram...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:3F6EE5...@worldnet.att.net...
>
> On 9/19 at 8:24pm, Peter asserted:
> "...some people have vanity newsgroups of their very own."
> On 9/20 at 5:15am, I asked him to:
> "Name some."
> On 9/20 at 5:19am, Peter responded with:
> "alt.fan.uncle-davey"
> On 9/20 at 5:28am, I wrote:
> "I deny that's a vanity newsgroup. And you said 'vanity
newsgroups'."
>
> Peter will now fail to provide evidence for his outrageous claim that I am
> "lying", just as he failed to provide evidence for his claim that "some
> people have vanity newsgroups of their very own".
I think you meant to say "Classic invective, typical of one who lacks a
logical argument"
Better luck next time...
--
Coby Beck
(remove #\Space "coby 101 @ big pond . com")
Don Tuite
the greatest art by ranking some of the lesser arts. For example,
here's a cut at sorting the middle of the pack:
1. Ventriloquism
2. Flower arrangement
3. Macrame
4. Body-building
5. Knitting/Crochet (I know, I know. It is contentious to link them
like that. Live with it.)
6. Decoupage
7. Calligraphy
8. Television
9. Tattooing
10. Origami
Don
Stephen Cooke
Wow, haven't thought about decoupage in a loooooong time. Thank the lord.
You left out tole painting, candle making, taxidermy (I'm thinking Perry's
Nut House here), string art and Leroy Neiman.
swac
mazzolata
What about whistling and whittling?
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I got the needs you can't assuage
I got demands you can't meet
'n' stay on your feet
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Dr.Matt
Don Tuite <don_...@REMOVETHIShotmail.com> wrote:
>I was thinking it might be easier to work gradually toward identifying
>the greatest art by ranking some of the lesser arts. For example,
>here's a cut at sorting the middle of the pack:
>
>1. Ventriloquism
I'll take excellently done hilarious ventriloquism over Kenny G any day.
Jerry Kohl
> Stephen Cooke wrote:
> > On Tue, 23 Sep 2003, Don Tuite wrote:
> >
> >
> >>I was thinking it might be easier to work gradually toward identifying
> >>the greatest art by ranking some of the lesser arts. For example,
> >>here's a cut at sorting the middle of the pack:
> >>
> >>1. Ventriloquism
> >>2. Flower arrangement
> >>3. Macrame
> >>4. Body-building
> >>5. Knitting/Crochet (I know, I know. It is contentious to link them
> >>like that. Live with it.)
> >>6. Decoupage
> >>7. Calligraphy
> >>8. Television
> >>9. Tattooing
> >>10. Origami
> >
> >
> > Wow, haven't thought about decoupage in a loooooong time. Thank the lord.
> >
> > You left out tole painting, candle making, taxidermy (I'm thinking Perry's
> > Nut House here), string art and Leroy Neiman.
> >
> > swac
> >
>
> What about whistling and whittling?
I like it! Don't forget stone-skipping, hang-gliding, and nose-picking.
how...@brazee.net
On 22-Sep-2003, "Peter T. Daniels" <gram...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> > What's with all of the real long posts with a one-line addition? How
> > many
> > people will page down a bunch of times to find out if something
> > worthwhile
> > has been posted this time?
>
> Have you never noticed that if you hold your mouse down over the scroll
> bar, the "paging" happens all by itself?
Depending on your browser. But it picks its speed.
Guessing that posts are made in a public forum to be read, it makes sense to
make this process easy.
francis muir
Pine.GSO.3.95.iB1.0.103...@halifax.chebucto.ns.ca,
"Stephen Cooke" <am...@chebucto.ns.ca> wrote:
I would add:
1) The Tableaux Vivants of the Laguna Festival of the Arts.
2) The several Last Suppers within hailing distance of Disneyland.
3) The Bizarro Madonna Inn.
Here in California we know it when we see it.
ObBoook: Umberto Eco *Travels in hyperreality*
However, for the seriously supreme American artistic
achievement I believe that quilting cannot be beat.
Sam Culotta
"francis muir" <francis....@balliol.org> wrote in message
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Sam
David J. Loftus
Did Americans invent the exalted art of painting on black velvet,
especially with cobras and Elvises as subject?
David Loftus
francis muir
"Sam Culotta" <culot...@gte.invalid> wrote:
Craftsmanship. The Shakers would be distressed
if they thought they were doing "art". Our local
Safeway has on sale some new Oneida ware. Made in
China.
francis muir
62894d4c.03092...@posting.google.com, "David J. Loftus"
<dlo...@earthlink.net> wrote:
No, it's Philipino ab origine.
Don Tuite
There was an ephemeral art form circa Korean War of which I have seen
no surviving artifacts. Schoolmates who had brothers in the service
would turn up with nylon jackets elaborately embroidered -- with the
detail currently seen in Hmong work, but unlike the small individual
icons of Hmong embroidery, the backs of these jackets sported huge
detailed renderings of eagles and forests and suchlike, along with
unit designations.
I wonder where they all went.
Don
francis muir
"Don Tuite" <don_...@REMOVETHIShotlink.com> wrote:
to auction at eBAY?
Bruce McGuffin
> Craftsmanship. The Shakers would be distressed
> if they thought they were doing "art". Our local
> Safeway has on sale some new Oneida ware. Made in
> China.
The Oneida Community weren't shakers. And I'm not sure how much work
community members did in the factory, which was still operating when
I was a teenager [1].
Bruce
[1] Even though the Oneida Community was long dissolved -- turned from
religious nuts into shareholders -- as late as 1975 there were still a
few old folks living in the Oneida Community house. People who had
been born in the Community and never left. The rest of the rooms were
rented out at low cost to unmarried school teachers.
Bruce McGuffin
> Hmmm, it's hard to decide among Shaw, Linkletter, Anderson, or King Of
> The Britons.
How does Helen Forrest fit into the decision?
Bruce
Jerry Kohl
> Safeway has on sale <...>
Ah! Another of the "lowly arts"! Supermarket-display design, and its associate
art, shelf-stacking!
Dr.Matt
Bruce McGuffin
> In article <ourk77y...@edinburgh.ll.mit.edu>,
> Bruce McGuffin <mcgu...@edinburgh.ll.mit.edu> wrote:
> >fie...@millipede.gpcc.itd.umich.edu (Dr.Matt) writes:
> >
> >> Hmmm, it's hard to decide among Shaw, Linkletter, Anderson, or King Of
> >> The Britons.
> >
> >How does Helen Forrest fit into the decision?
>
> How great an Art is she, and on what basis?
She wasn't an Art at all, the question is, how great thou Art without
her singing along.
Bruce