req: Composers similar to Satie?
Pete
I'm a complete novice when it comes to classical music, but I've recently
acquired a CD, Erik Satie's Piano Works Vol. 1 (Naxos), and I love it so
much, I've volumes 2,3 and 4 on order.
Could some kind soul please recommend to me composers whose work I might
like, given that I like Satie?
(I've searched around usenet and found discussions comparing Satie with
Debussy; having listened to a fair bit of Debussy now, I'm can say that I'm
not really into his work, it's too complicated for my simple tastes!)
Thanks in advance,
Pete
Dr.Matt
Debussy will come to you with repeated listenings, as will Ravel. Meanwhile,
this group of six composers pointed to Satie as their mentor:
Poulenc
Tailleferre
Milhaud
Auric
Durey
Honegger
Branching in other directions, but sticking to folks who are at least
PARTLY famous for relatively mild and gentle musics:
Gershwin
Copland
Bernstein
Reich
Chopin
Hindemith
Paert
--
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Music: Splendor in Sound
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John Harrington
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You may find that Satie is not similar to Satie. A lot of people like the
Gymnopedies, Gnossiens, Pieces Froids, and the Nocturnes, but then they are
surprised by works such as the Sonatine, Embryons Desseches, Parade, Sports
et Divertisments, etc. that exhibit Satie's puckish, allegedly witty side
rather than his melancholy, pretty side. Since you've found NAXOS, go to
their webside (naxos.com), where you can listen for free to any of their
recordings (of works in the public domain: i.e., by composers who died more
than 50 years ago). You may find other composers you like for other
reasons.
John
Marcello Penso
says...
feel more attuned to works for solo piano, which are by nature more
simple (in terms of timbre and color) than orchestral works.
If that's the case, there are any number of composers who have written
for solo piano, and you may want to look for slow and fast works.
While he's an entirely diffrent composer, the 24 Preludes Op.34 by Dmitri
Shostakovich are similar to Satie's piano works in their simplicity and
occasional irony. From there it's a hop to his 24 Preludes and Fugues
(different piece). If you've only listened to orchestral Debussy, you
might try his piano pieces.
You might also find that Naxos has compilations of piano music to get you
acquainted with a greater palette of composers.
Good luck!
Marcello
Pete
> Debussy will come to you with repeated listenings, as will Ravel.
> Meanwhile,
> this group of six composers pointed to Satie as their mentor:
Many thanks!
Pete
Pete
> You may find that Satie is not similar to Satie. A lot of people like the
> Gymnopedies, Gnossiens, Pieces Froids, and the Nocturnes, but then they
are
> surprised by works such as the Sonatine, Embryons Desseches, Parade,
Sports
> et Divertisments, etc. that exhibit Satie's puckish, allegedly witty side
> rather than his melancholy, pretty side. Since you've found NAXOS, go to
> their webside (naxos.com), where you can listen for free to any of their
> recordings (of works in the public domain: i.e., by composers who died
more
> than 50 years ago). You may find other composers you like for other
> reasons.
I didn't know you could listen to selections on the Naxos site, thank you!
Pete
Pete
> Have you heard piano music or orchestral music by Debussy? Perhaps you
> feel more attuned to works for solo piano, which are by nature more
> simple (in terms of timbre and color) than orchestral works.
They were certainly works that were played by a solo piano. I found them to
be quite tiring to listen too - they were too fast and intricate for my
tastes.
> If that's the case, there are any number of composers who have written
> for solo piano, and you may want to look for slow and fast works.
>[snip]
> Good luck!
Thanks for responding Marcello, much appreciated.
Pete
mike
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this is a guess, but you might like the spanish piano music of Granados and
Albeniz. the music is more pointedly music than Satie meant his to be, but
there is lyricism and Nights in the Gardens of Spain. speaking of which,
that's the title of a wonderful piano-orchestra piece by the spanish
composer Manuel De Falla.
Francois Desnoyers
"Dr.Matt" wrote:
> In article <b0eaft$lca$1...@knossos.btinternet.com>,
> Pete <n...@NpOrSbPtAM.com> wrote:
> >Hello,
> >
> >I'm a complete novice when it comes to classical music, but I've recently
> >acquired a CD, Erik Satie's Piano Works Vol. 1 (Naxos), and I love it so
> >much, I've volumes 2,3 and 4 on order.
> >
> >Could some kind soul please recommend to me composers whose work I might
> >like, given that I like Satie?
> >(I've searched around usenet and found discussions comparing Satie with
> >Debussy; having listened to a fair bit of Debussy now, I'm can say that I'm
> >not really into his work, it's too complicated for my simple tastes!)
> >
> >Thanks in advance,
The closer you can get to Satie is Paul Klee.
Dr.Matt
Hmmm, glowing geometric hieroglyphics.... Klee's paintings don't remind
me of Satie at all, for some reason...
Ray Hall
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Not exactly similar, but the first couple of books of Mikrokosmos by Bartok
might suit. Koscis is very good. Also Mompou, who wrote very sophisticated
salon pieces, and my mentioning the word salon is not deprecating in any
sense. Mompou wrote some gorgeous piano music.
I would never equate Debussy with Satie. Debussy was an impressionist of the
first order, whereas Satie concentrated on the inner senses of wit, and
especially a grave langourous type of melancholy.
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Francois Desnoyers
Ray Hall wrote:
>
>
> I would never equate Debussy with Satie. Debussy was an impressionist of the
> first order, whereas Satie concentrated on the inner senses of wit, and
> especially a grave langourous type of melancholy.
And I find his poetic visions to be quite unique in the world of music. There
lies his strenght which makes him also of the first order.
Francois Desnoyers
"Dr.Matt" wrote:
> In article <3E2B49C4...@cogniscienceinc.com>,
> Francois Desnoyers <fdesn...@cogniscienceinc.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >"Dr.Matt" wrote:
> >
> >> In article <b0eaft$lca$1...@knossos.btinternet.com>,
> >> Pete <n...@NpOrSbPtAM.com> wrote:
> >> >Hello,
> >> >
> >> >I'm a complete novice when it comes to classical music, but I've recently
> >> >acquired a CD, Erik Satie's Piano Works Vol. 1 (Naxos), and I love it so
> >> >much, I've volumes 2,3 and 4 on order.
> >> >
> >> >Could some kind soul please recommend to me composers whose work I might
> >> >like, given that I like Satie?
> >> >(I've searched around usenet and found discussions comparing Satie with
> >> >Debussy; having listened to a fair bit of Debussy now, I'm can say that I'm
> >> >not really into his work, it's too complicated for my simple tastes!)
> >> >
> >> >Thanks in advance,
> >
> >The closer you can get to Satie is Paul Klee.
> >
>
> Hmmm, glowing geometric hieroglyphics....
Oh, he did much more than this, much much more.
> Klee's paintings don't remind
> me of Satie at all, for some reason...
the dream world, the untold stories, the humour, the gentleness...
Brendan R. Wehrung
He's so subtle you might consider him boring, but add Frderic Mompou to
the list. From
http://www.jeffgower.com/mompou.html
"Mompou was a Francophile (referred to French music as "true" music), and
was very influenced by Fauré, Debussy, Ravel, and Satie (with which he is
most compared). One can also hear influences of Chopin, Scriabin, and
Poulenc in his music. BUT, influences and comparisons aside, Mompou's
music is HIGHLY personal and original, and instantly recognizable for its
apparent childlike simplicity and gently dissonant harmonic flow and
sublime melodicism. He avoided any unnecessary clutter or rambling in his
music, preferring to condense the music down to its barest and purest of
expressive means. He composed almost exclusively for solo piano, with some
other works for solo piano and voice, a work for solo guitar (Cançó i
Dansa, No. 13), and a work for solo organ (Cançó i Dansa, No. 15). There
have been some orchestrations of his piano works (by Rosenthal, Tansman,
Mompou) but most of his composing was for the intimate expression of solo
instrument."
Brendan
stefan.jakusz
his piano works and there may be a Naxos disc.
Stefan jakusz
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Frisbie Einstein
> "Pete" <n...@NpOrSbPtAM.com> wrote in message
> news:b0eaft$lca$1...@knossos.btinternet.com...
> > Hello,
> >
> > I'm a complete novice when it comes to classical music, but I've recently
> > acquired a CD, Erik Satie's Piano Works Vol. 1 (Naxos), and I love it so
> > much, I've volumes 2,3 and 4 on order.
> >
> > Could some kind soul please recommend to me composers whose work I might
> > like, given that I like Satie?
> > (I've searched around usenet and found discussions comparing Satie with
> > Debussy; having listened to a fair bit of Debussy now, I'm can say that
> I'm
> > not really into his work, it's too complicated for my simple tastes!)
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
>
Georges Auric, Louis Durey and Germaine Tailleferre.
J. Beer
Waldron.
I think it is safe to say both were influenced somewhat by Satie in
different ways.
Evans has are very crystalline style. Waldron is darker, but often has a
very spare atmosphere with careful development of ideas. Waldron recorded
an album of adaptations of some of Satie's pieces.
Jeff
SWright21
Pan
Einstein) wrote:
Darius Milhaud is probably the funniest of them, in works like Le
Boeuf sur le Toit and Scaramouche.
Jacques Ibert also wrote some funny music (I'm trying to remember the
really funny orchestral piece I heard again recently).
But I think that perhaps the funniest (most effortlessly funny?)
composer is Jean Francaix, so it's very possible that a lover of Satie
may appreciate the humor - and, for that matter, the lightly and
sincerely melancholic and sentimental slow movements - in music by
Francaix.
I think it's interesting that some people have suggested Mompou. I'm
inclined to agree. I heard a suite of pieces depicting scenes from
childhood when I was in France, and I thought it was terrific.
Michael
sch...@gefen.cc.biu.ac.il
: Jacques Ibert also wrote some funny music (I'm trying to remember the
: really funny orchestral piece I heard again recently).
I'll guess that you're thinking of "Divertissement" which is actually written
for a chamber orchestra, and is a suite of incidental music to the play "The
Italian Straw Hat." It's the one that has a random quote from the
Mendelssohn Wedding March and the "oua, oua, oua" trumpet (it's written
that way in the score) and police whistle in the finale. My favorite
recording (FWIW) is the Martinon/Paris Conservatory Orchestra.
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Francois Desnoyers
SWright21 wrote:
> Reynaldo Hahn. He's more sentimental than eccentric, though.
To call Satie's music eccentric is dissmissive of his particular
"poetic" vision. To my knowledge, there is no other composer with a
similar "psycho-musical" world.
Dr.Matt
Francois Desnoyers
"Dr.Matt" wrote:
> In article <3E2E88B9...@cogniscienceinc.com>,
> Francois Desnoyers <fdesn...@cogniscienceinc.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >SWright21 wrote:
> >
> >> Reynaldo Hahn. He's more sentimental than eccentric, though.
> >
> >To call Satie's music eccentric is dissmissive of his particular
> >"poetic" vision. To my knowledge, there is no other composer with a
> >similar "psycho-musical" world.
> >
>
> But...Eccentric is good!
How so?
I've always heard this adjective used to describe someone we refuse to
describe !, dismissing altogether the depth of his or her character, etc.
Rich people often are characterised as being eccentric, as they can aford to
do what ever they want, but we never ask ourselves why they do such things;
we just say "How eccentric" with a dismissive smirk, as if to say "This does
not concern us".
At best (if you take into account all the good things), in describing
Satie's work, eccentric is very imprecise !
Dr.Matt
Francois Desnoyers <fdesn...@cogniscienceinc.com> wrote:
>
>
>"Dr.Matt" wrote:
>
>> In article <3E2E88B9...@cogniscienceinc.com>,
>> Francois Desnoyers <fdesn...@cogniscienceinc.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >SWright21 wrote:
>> >
>> >> Reynaldo Hahn. He's more sentimental than eccentric, though.
>> >
>> >To call Satie's music eccentric is dissmissive of his particular
>> >"poetic" vision. To my knowledge, there is no other composer with a
>> >similar "psycho-musical" world.
>> >
>>
>> But...Eccentric is good!
>
>How so?
>
>I've always heard this adjective used to describe someone we refuse to
>describe !, dismissing altogether the depth of his or her character, etc.
Like.. Einstein... Schumann... etc.
>Rich people often are characterised as being eccentric, as they can aford to
>do what ever they want, but we never ask ourselves why they do such things;
>we just say "How eccentric" with a dismissive smirk, as if to say "This does
>not concern us".
>
>At best (if you take into account all the good things), in describing
>Satie's work, eccentric is very imprecise !
Indeed! But depending on the dialect and subculture using the word, it may
simply imply that the eccentric one is a mild non-conformist.
Francois Desnoyers
"Dr.Matt" wrote:
> In article <3E2EB7FC...@cogniscienceinc.com>,
> Francois Desnoyers <fdesn...@cogniscienceinc.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >"Dr.Matt" wrote:
> >
> >> In article <3E2E88B9...@cogniscienceinc.com>,
> >> Francois Desnoyers <fdesn...@cogniscienceinc.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >SWright21 wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Reynaldo Hahn. He's more sentimental than eccentric, though.
> >> >
> >> >To call Satie's music eccentric is dissmissive of his particular
> >> >"poetic" vision. To my knowledge, there is no other composer with a
> >> >similar "psycho-musical" world.
> >> >
> >>
> >> But...Eccentric is good!
> >
> >How so?
> >
> >I've always heard this adjective used to describe someone we refuse to
> >describe !, dismissing altogether the depth of his or her character, etc.
>
> Like.. Einstein... Schumann... etc.
Oh, I never thought they where eccentric... Then eccentric would qualify their
behaviour, not their work, no?
>
>
> >Rich people often are characterised as being eccentric, as they can aford to
> >do what ever they want, but we never ask ourselves why they do such things;
> >we just say "How eccentric" with a dismissive smirk, as if to say "This does
> >not concern us".
> >
> >At best (if you take into account all the good things), in describing
> >Satie's work, eccentric is very imprecise !
>
> Indeed! But depending on the dialect and subculture using the word, it may
> simply imply that the eccentric one is a mild non-conformist.
As in "inocent", "strange-witted", etc.
Victor Eijkhout
> acquired a CD, Erik Satie's Piano Works Vol. 1 (Naxos)
Just for the comparison, get yourself the Reinbert de Leeuw
interpretation (double CD on Philips, very affordable). He plays at
about half the speed of any other performer, which gives the music a
very different character.
V.
Pan
(Dr.Matt) wrote:
>In article <3E2B49C4...@cogniscienceinc.com>,
>Francois Desnoyers <fdesn...@cogniscienceinc.com> wrote:
>>The closer you can get to Satie is Paul Klee.
>>
>
>Hmmm, glowing geometric hieroglyphics.... Klee's paintings don't remind
>me of Satie at all, for some reason...
Nor me.
How about Ledouanier (sp.?) Rousseau?
Michael
Pan
wrote:
>In article <3e2e7d88...@news.rcn.com>, Pan <panNO...@musician.org> wrote:
>
>: Jacques Ibert also wrote some funny music (I'm trying to remember the
>: really funny orchestral piece I heard again recently).
>
>I'll guess that you're thinking of "Divertissement" which is actually written
>for a chamber orchestra, and is a suite of incidental music to the play "The
>Italian Straw Hat." It's the one that has a random quote from the
>Mendelssohn Wedding March and the "oua, oua, oua" trumpet (it's written
>that way in the score) and police whistle in the finale.
[snip]
Exactly.
Thanks for mentioning your favorite recording, too.
Michael
mike
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> "Pete" <n...@NpOrSbPtAM.com> wrote in message
> news:b0eaft$lca$1...@knossos.btinternet.com...
>| Hello,
>|
>| I'm a complete novice when it comes to classical music, but I've
>| recently acquired a CD, Erik Satie's Piano Works Vol. 1 (Naxos), and
>| I love it so much, I've volumes 2,3 and 4 on order.
>|
>| Could some kind soul please recommend to me composers whose work I
>| might like, given that I like Satie?
>| (I've searched around usenet and found discussions comparing Satie
>| with Debussy; having listened to a fair bit of Debussy now, I'm can
>| say that
> I'm
>| not really into his work, it's too complicated for my simple tastes!)
>
> Not exactly similar, but the first couple of books of Mikrokosmos by
> Bartok might suit. Koscis is very good. Also Mompou, who wrote very
> sophisticated salon pieces, and my mentioning the word salon is not
> deprecating in any sense. Mompou wrote some gorgeous piano music.
he can be very exciting!
>
> I would never equate Debussy with Satie. Debussy was an impressionist
> of the first order,
the impressionism isn't a real method. he's writing by inventing scales,
whereas Satie writes by imposing odd rhythms. in this sense they are
similar, since they're playing with european music form.
> whereas Satie concentrated on the inner senses of
> wit,
and especially a grave langourous type of melancholy.
this is Debussy's forte, because of the shape of his scales (just as
Shoshtakovich has to end up a beat short because his cut and paste
technique is based on European phrasing).
listen to the Debussy Nocturns.
pingo
published called "Satie Remembered" published by Faber. His book contains
"evidence" and reminiscences from a wide variety of Satie's acquaintances
friends, fellow artists etc.
His introduction starts with
"Uncovering the truth about Satie from behind his carefully cultivated
public image is a hard task, and it should come as no surprise that this
prickly, eccentric and apparently irrational man provoked conflicting
souvenirs from those who knew him....................."
It is left up to us the reader to judge and of course is purely subjective.
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