Which Russian composer's name sounds best when pronounced with a faux Russian accent?
Joe Ramirez
composer's name has led me to the obvious conclusion: this group
needs more threads on spelling and pronunciation. Thus, my query is:
Which Russian composer's name sounds the best when pronounced with an
exaggerated, faux Russian accent? I'm referring to the kind of heavy
fake Russian you hear dripping from the lips of a KGB colonel in a bad
spy movie. Patronymics excluded, by the way.
Sad to say, Sergei Prokofiev, who is my favorite composer (based on
musical considerations), fares poorly in this contest. Third place
goes to Modest Mussorgsky -- those overripe M's are hypnotic. In
second place we find Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov, which is noble name if
ever there was one. But the clear winner is: Dmitri Shostakovich.
You just can't beat that combo; the "Dmitri" alone is almost enough to
win. Together, they are unstoppable: Dmitri Shostakovich!
Fantastic! It sounds like an ancient, wicked curse.
N.B. This message is not intended to revive the Czar/Tsar debate.
Joe Ramirez
Allen & Linda Tyler
Joe Ramirez wrote:
Any such list should include Galina Ustvolskaya; be sure to stand to one
side of the speaker when her name is spoken--same effect as Gallagher and
his watermelons.
Allen Tyler
rkha...@adnc.com
jra...@attglobal.net (Joe Ramirez) wrote:
>But the clear winner is: Dmitri Shostakovich.
> You just can't beat that combo; the "Dmitri" alone is almost enough to
> win. Together, they are unstoppable: Dmitri Shostakovich!
> Fantastic! It sounds like an ancient, wicked curse.
It sounds even better after a few shots of vodka. My favorite, among
conductors' names is *Rozhdestvensky*, especially with a rolled "R" at
the beginning.
Quiz question: Which syllable has the stress on Rozhdestvensky's name?
(in the proper pronunciation, that is)
Ramon Khalona
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David Gomberg
> Quiz question: Which syllable has the stress on Rozhdestvensky's name?
> (in the proper pronunciation, that is)
I presume the third (ven).
Dave Gomberg
(But I still have trouble pronouncing Temirkanov with the stress on "kan"
rather than on "mir", although I'm getting better at it.)
Edward A. Cowan
> I don't know of him being a composer, and the name is Slavic, not
> distinctively Russian, but I reckon you can't beat Slobodan Milosevich. Just
> rolls off the tongue.
Note, btw., that the 's' in "Milosevich" is a 'sh': During the attacks
upon Milosevich's domain, some Yugoslav footage was shown in subtitles
with this person's name in Cyrillic alphabet, which showed the character
for the sound 'sh' at that point.
-- E.A.C.
rkha...@adnc.com
David Gomberg <dgom...@home.net> wrote:
> In article <8jb80l$1ef$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, rkha...@adnc.com says......
> > Quiz question: Which syllable has the stress on Rozhdestvensky's
name?
> > (in the proper pronunciation, that is)
>
> I presume the third (ven).
It's on the second: Rozh-DIEST-vens-kee.
David McKay
distinctively Russian, but I reckon you can't beat Slobodan Milosevich. Just
rolls off the tongue.
David McKay
Colin Rosenthal
Joe Ramirez <jra...@attglobal.net> wrote:
>The ongoing discussion of the proper typing of a certain Estonian
>composer's name has led me to the obvious conclusion: this group
>needs more threads on spelling and pronunciation. Thus, my query is:
>Which Russian composer's name sounds the best when pronounced with an
>exaggerated, faux Russian accent? I'm referring to the kind of heavy
>fake Russian you hear dripping from the lips of a KGB colonel in a bad
>spy movie. Patronymics excluded, by the way.
>
>Sad to say, Sergei Prokofiev, who is my favorite composer (based on
>musical considerations), fares poorly in this contest. Third place
>goes to Modest Mussorgsky -- those overripe M's are hypnotic. In
>second place we find Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov, which is noble name if
>You just can't beat that combo; the "Dmitri" alone is almost enough to
>win. Together, they are unstoppable: Dmitri Shostakovich!
>Fantastic!
...especially when played by Mstislav Rostropovich.
--
Colin Rosenthal
Astrophysics Institute
University of Oslo
B Leris
Joe Ramírez wrorte:
> Which Russian composer's name sounds the best when pronounced with an
> exaggerated, faux Russian accent?
and Ramón Khalona too (both with rolled "R", I suppose)
>>It sounds even better after a few shots of vodka. My favorite, among
>>conductors' names is *Rozhdestvensky*...
What about Sofia Gubaidulina? Gentle, harmonious ......
Buenaventura - BCN
Marek M.
> What about Sofia Gubaidulina? Gentle, harmonious ......
She wasn't Russian, she was Tartar.
I'm interested, how do you pronounciate polish names (not Fryderyk Szopen
aka Frederic Chopin), because they sounds very nice in Polish:
- Witold Lutosławski
- Krzysztof Penderecki
- Henryk Nicolai Górecki
and something really interesting:
- Adam Jarzębski
Joe Ramirez
>
>> What about Sofia Gubaidulina? Gentle, harmonious ......
>
>She wasn't Russian, she was Tartar.
>I'm interested, how do you pronounciate polish names (not Fryderyk Szopen
>aka Frederic Chopin), because they sounds very nice in Polish:
>
>- Witold Lutosławski
>- Krzysztof Penderecki
>- Henryk Nicolai Górecki
In a local record store, in the rather small classical section, I saw
a bin labeled, "Henry K. Gorecki." I was ready to forgive the
spelling, because at least they carried him, but the bin was empty.
Joe Ramirez
Gary Goldberg
> Joe Ramírez wrorte:
> > Which Russian composer's name sounds the best when pronounced with an
> > exaggerated, faux Russian accent?
>
> and Ramón Khalona too (both with rolled "R", I suppose)
>
> >>It sounds even better after a few shots of vodka. My favorite, among
> >>conductors' names is *Rozhdestvensky*...
>
> What about Sofia Gubaidulina? Gentle, harmonious ......
Except that her name is a Tatar one.
Rozhdestvenskiy, BTW, means "Christmas" (adj.)
How about a sub-thread on most-often mispronounced Russian names, e.g.:
It's Gla-zu-NOV (on the last syllable, no matter what Minnesota Public
Radio says on its listings); it's also Ser-GEY, not on the 1st syllable
like MPR has.
And it's Pro-KOF-yev (3 syllables, not 4); Prokofiev didn't help any
by writing his name Prokofieff when writing in the Latin alphabet (he
knew French and some English)
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Gary Goldberg
<mar...@kki.net.pl> wrote:
> > What about Sofia Gubaidulina? Gentle, harmonious ......
>
> She wasn't Russian, she was Tartar.
> I'm interested, how do you pronounciate polish names (not Fryderyk Szopen
> aka Frederic Chopin), because they sounds very nice in Polish:
>
> - Witold Lutosławski
VEE-tuld Loo-ta-SWAV-skee (I believe there's a line through the 2nd
"L", making it a "hard" L, like in Walesa. (It's Lutoslawski, I presume
you misspelled it)
> - Krzysztof Penderecki
KSHISH-tuf Pen-da-RETS-kee
> - Henryk Nicolai Górecki
Goo-RETS-kee (there's a mark over the "O", which makes it an "oo" sound
Peter T. Daniels
>
> > What about Sofia Gubaidulina? Gentle, harmonious ......
>
> She wasn't Russian, she was Tartar.
She died???????
--
Peter T. Daniels gram...@worldnet.att.net
Margaret Mikulska
>
> In article <3x275.1018$Qw1....@news.tpnet.pl>, "Marek M." wrote:
[...]
> > - Witold Lutosławski
>
> VEE-tuld Loo-ta-SWAV-skee (I believe there's a line through the 2nd
> "L", making it a "hard" L, like in Walesa. (It's Lutoslawski, I presume
> you misspelled it)
He didn't misspelled it - on the contrary, he typed the real Polish
"crossed l", which just doesn't show correctly. (Funny how you presume
that a poster from Poland misspelled a Polish name.)
-Margaret
Margaret Mikulska
Gary Goldberg wrote:
>
> In article <3x275.1018$Qw1....@news.tpnet.pl>, "Marek M." wrote:
[...]
> > - Witold Lutosławski
>
> VEE-tuld Loo-ta-SWAV-skee (I believe there's a line through the 2nd
> "L", making it a "hard" L, like in Walesa. (It's Lutoslawski, I presume
> you misspelled it)
He didn't misspell it - on the contrary, he typed the real Polish
Marek M.
> Illiterate? Write for free help!
> (Remove "X" from address to reply)
I am not illiterate. I'm polish, so I couldn't do any mistake in polish
names. I suppose, that your computer couldn't read signs a,e,c,s,n,l,ó,z,z
etc.
When you write Saint-Saens, you should put two dots over e.
When you write Facade, you should put a litle mark under c.
When you write Lutoslawski, you should cross the second l.
Marek M.
> a bin labeled, "Henry K. Gorecki." I was ready to forgive the
> spelling, because at least they carried him, but the bin was empty.
His real polish name is:
Henryk Mikolaj Gorecki,
with crossed l in Mikolaj and with a mark over o in Gorecki.
It should be:
Henry Nicholas Gorecki in english,
so they rather should write
Henry N. Gorecki
than
Henry K. Gorecki - this is ridiculous
Gary Goldberg
<miku...@silvertone.princeton.edu> wrote:
I didn't look at the poster's name, but it DID show up as a "p" on my
newsreader.
Lighten up...
--
Margaret Mikulska
> I didn't look at the poster's name, but it DID show up as a "p" on my
> newsreader.
Not his name, the *domain* name!
Well, yes, as I said - the "crossed l" doesn't show correctly on most
newsreaders. I was just amused that you lectured a poster from Poland
about the spelling of a Polish name. Take it easy.
-Margaret