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Liszt v. Wagner
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Timothy Foley
Apr 23, 1995, 3:00:00 AM4/23/95
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I'd be wary of citing Lizst as the main foundation of modernism mostly
because a lot of Lizst's later musical experiments really never went any
where... his earlier stuff inspired Wagner, but Wagner's later
experiments in 'Tristan' and 'Parisfal' really inspired modernist
composers. But perhaps, this point is just splitting hairs.
because a lot of Lizst's later musical experiments really never went any
where... his earlier stuff inspired Wagner, but Wagner's later
experiments in 'Tristan' and 'Parisfal' really inspired modernist
composers. But perhaps, this point is just splitting hairs.
NE...@cunyvm.cuny.edu
Apr 24, 1995, 3:00:00 AM4/24/95
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I really have to disagree with the previous comments ! Wagner inspired a
whole generation of composers - Bruckner, Richard Strauss, Mahler......but
Liszt must have realised that all this was going to reach its limit. Many of
the composers we consider "modernist", at least those who were the
revolutionaries of the early 20th century, were rebelling against Wagner and
all that he stood for - and the spare, almost minimalist music of late Liszt
which was anything but attractive to the public of his time became a model for
many people.. Whether you LIKE such music is beside the point. In fact, there
are many other influences to consider, but as Humphrey Searle pointed out,
Liszt was born roughly when Haydn died, and died around when Alban Berg was
born, and his own compositions span the gap between them. It is possible to
give an entire recital of only Liszt's works,starting with compositions
from around 1824 (Liszt was 13) which reflect the styles of Hummel and Czerny,
through the Romantic era - this is the Liszt familiar to most people - say
from 1840-1860 or so - and finishing up with works from 1880 on which are
often harshly "modernist". There is even a piece labelled as being without
tonality (not, however, atonal in the Schoenbergian sense)
- Neil McKelvie
whole generation of composers - Bruckner, Richard Strauss, Mahler......but
Liszt must have realised that all this was going to reach its limit. Many of
the composers we consider "modernist", at least those who were the
revolutionaries of the early 20th century, were rebelling against Wagner and
all that he stood for - and the spare, almost minimalist music of late Liszt
which was anything but attractive to the public of his time became a model for
many people.. Whether you LIKE such music is beside the point. In fact, there
are many other influences to consider, but as Humphrey Searle pointed out,
Liszt was born roughly when Haydn died, and died around when Alban Berg was
born, and his own compositions span the gap between them. It is possible to
give an entire recital of only Liszt's works,starting with compositions
from around 1824 (Liszt was 13) which reflect the styles of Hummel and Czerny,
through the Romantic era - this is the Liszt familiar to most people - say
from 1840-1860 or so - and finishing up with works from 1880 on which are
often harshly "modernist". There is even a piece labelled as being without
tonality (not, however, atonal in the Schoenbergian sense)
- Neil McKelvie
Timothy Foley
Apr 26, 1995, 3:00:00 AM4/26/95
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NE...@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU wrote:
: I really have to disagree with the previous comments ! Wagner inspired a Point well taken.
: I really have to disagree with the previous comments ! Wagner inspired a
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