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aesthete8  
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 More options Sep 6 2012, 2:02 am
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From: aesthete8 <art...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 23:02:16 -0700 (PDT)
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According to the following:

- ...[The author] dispels the generally accepted notions ofGoethe
lacking musicality and more importantly of his rejection ofthe
Schubertian lied. Byrne convincingly argues that Schubert'slied is
very much rooted in the often overlooked genre of the_geselliges
Lied_, with which Goethe had found great affinity.

http://h-net.msu.edu/cgi-bin/logbrowse.pl?trx=vx&list=h-german&month=...


 
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Charles H. Sampson  
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 More options Sep 6 2012, 5:54 pm
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From: csamp...@inetworld.net (Charles H. Sampson)
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2012 14:54:47 -0700
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aesthete8 <art...@gmail.com> wrote:
> According to the following:

> - ...[The author] dispels the generally accepted notions ofGoethe
> lacking musicality and more importantly of his rejection ofthe
> Schubertian lied. Byrne convincingly argues that Schubert'slied is
> very much rooted in the often overlooked genre of the_geselliges
> Lied_, with which Goethe had found great affinity.

> http://h-net.msu.edu/cgi-bin/logbrowse.pl?trx=vx&list=h-german&month=05
> 10&week=d&msg=xYW%2B1GsaqjvYasrKFlabeg&user=&pw=

     I read somewhere that Goethe asked to hear Schubert's Erlkoenig as
he was dying, after never acknowledging receiving Schubert's packet of a
number of lieder based on Goethe poems.  I think it was a respectable
source, such as Fischer-Dieskau's little biography of Schubert.

                        Charlie
--
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But you moved your goods on roads we all paid for.  You hired workers we
all paid to educate. So keep a big hunk of the money from your factory.
But take a hunk and pay it forward.  Elizabeth Warren (paraphrased)


 
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Discussion subject changed to "(OT) Re: Didn't Goethe not like Schubert?" by Joe Roberts
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 More options Sep 7 2012, 10:10 pm
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Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 22:10:25 -0400
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Off the topic's target but worth a thought ...

Years ago as a tourist I visited Goethe's childhood home in Frankfurt.  He'd been born and nurtured as a child there.

Before the place was bombed out in WWII, many of the family's possessions had been moved to 'safe' storage.  After the war the home had been rebuilt and the family items restored in place (probably, more or less).

In the restored home there was a lot of period furniture, down to coffee servers.  But no musical instrument.

Whatever exposure the kid might have had to music ... it's not reflected in the restored home's decor.

Joe


 
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Discussion subject changed to "Didn't Goethe not like Schubert?" by John Wiser
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 More options Sep 7 2012, 11:09 pm
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Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 23:09:13 -0400
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"Charles H. Sampson" <csamp...@inetworld.net> wrote in message
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http://ml.oxfordjournals.org/content/93/1/123.short
(you need a subscription, probably pricey, to read the whole article)

Possibly the answer may be found here. I recall reading that Zelter
belittled
Schubert's settings, as they were not done in accord with his methods. That
may
or may not be so, it was so many years ago I read it and now have no clue
where.

JDW


 
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 More options Sep 8 2012, 8:20 am
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Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2012 05:20:14 -0700 (PDT)
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On Sep 7, 11:09 pm, "John Wiser" <ceec...@gmail.com> wrote:

Or you can go to your library and access it electronically, or the
nearest music library and read it on paper.

Or you can pay $25 to read the 4-page book review from _that_ site.

> Possibly the answer may be found here. I recall reading that Zelter belittled
> Schubert's settings, as they were not done in accord with his methods. That may
> or may not be so, it was so many years ago I read it and now have no clue where.

Unfortunately there's no "Look Inside!" for the book itself at amazon.

 
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