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Dinko Gonzalez Trotter  
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 More options Jun 22 1995, 3:00 am
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From: di...@phy.duke.edu (Dinko Gonzalez Trotter)
Date: 1995/06/22
Subject: Die Fledermaus
Hi everybody.  Could you give me your opinion on which is the best recording
of Die Fledermaus available in CD?  I like this operetta and do not know
where to begin looking.  Thanks for your help.
--
______________________
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di...@daytona.tunl.duke.edu
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Jay Azneer  
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From: j...@nyc.pipeline.com (Jay Azneer)
Date: 1995/06/22
Subject: Re: Die Fledermaus
Probably tthe greatest recording of anything ever done and will
probably garner more agreement is the old London/Decca
conducted by Clemens Krause.  One of the great achievements of
anyone's life.  Great New Year's Day concert as filler too!
Jay

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M.Penninga  
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From: "M.Penninga" <mpenning>
Date: 1995/06/23
Subject: Re: Die Fledermaus
>... Die Fledermaus ...

     ^^^

It's _DER_ Fledermaus !

Marc Penninga
e-mail: mpenn...@wi.leidenuniv.nl
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 More options Jun 23 1995, 3:00 am
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From: goldr...@panix.com (Fred Goldrich)
Date: 1995/06/23
Subject: Re: Die Fledermaus

In article <3se0ac$...@nic.wi.leidenuniv.nl>, M.Penninga <mpenning> wrote:
>>... Die Fledermaus ...
>     ^^^

>It's _DER_ Fledermaus !

        Nope, _Die Fledermaus_ it is.

"O waer' ich eine Maus, wie wollt' ich mich verstecken!"

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From: pay...@vaxa.nott.ac.uk
Date: 1995/06/23
Subject: Re: Die Fledermaus
In article <3sc95o$...@news.duke.edu>, di...@phy.duke.edu (Dinko Gonzalez Trotter) writes:

>Hi everybody.  Could you give me your opinion on which is the best recording
>of Die Fledermaus available in CD?  I like this operetta and do not know
>where to begin looking.  Thanks for your help.
>--
>______________________
>Dinko Gonzalez Trotter
>di...@daytona.tunl.duke.edu
>_____________________

Try the VPO/Previn recording with Te Kanawa. It really sounds like if you are
in the opera house!

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From: fmerm...@aol.com (Fmermaid)
Date: 1995/06/23
Subject: Re: Die Fledermaus
di...@phy.duke.edu (Dinko Gonzalez Trotter) wrote:
Date: 22 Jun 1995 17:27:20 GMT
Message-ID: <3sc95o$fn9@news.duke.edu>

Hi everybody.  Could you give me your opinion on which is the best
recording
of Die Fledermaus available in CD?  I like this operetta and do not know
where to begin looking.  Thanks for your help.
--
______________________
Dinko Gonzalez Trotter
di...@daytona.tunl.duke.edu
------------------------------------------------------------
Trouble is I'm not sure if my favorite all-round recording of Fledermaus
is in-print.  It was on Angel/EMI conducted by Willi Boskovsky, a former
1st violilnist of the Vienna Phil, who was a famous Strauss conductor.
Rothenberger, Gedda, Fassbaender, Fischer-Dieskau and Berry are in the
cast.  Another excellent recording is on DG conducted by Carlos Kleiber
and performed with joyous good humor.  It's only flaw--and it's a big
one--is that the prince is sung by a man instead of a mezzo-soprano.  Very
campy, but a mess is made of Orlovsky's wonderful aria.  If you don't mind
mono sound from the early 50s, there's a famous recording on London/Decca
conducted by Clemens Krauss and an excellent cast of the period.  Also
performed with great panache.  "Es lebe Champagner der Erste."

F Mermaid

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Charles Ehrlich  
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From: ehrl...@sable.ox.ac.uk (Charles Ehrlich)
Date: 1995/06/24
Subject: Re: Die Fledermaus
In article <3sfp6t$...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,

Fmermaid <fmerm...@aol.com> wrote:
>Trouble is I'm not sure if my favorite all-round recording of Fledermaus
>is in-print.  It was on Angel/EMI conducted by Willi Boskovsky, a former
>1st violilnist of the Vienna Phil, who was a famous Strauss conductor.
>Rothenberger, Gedda, Fassbaender, Fischer-Dieskau and Berry are in the
>cast.  

I haven't seen this on cd either, but does music have to be on cd for it to
be worth buying?  This is my favorite recording as well.  It's not just the
cast that makes it though - it is the whole mood.  Boskovsky was as close
to a reincarnation of Strauss as we could hope for - down to conducting with
his violin.  He manages to get more charm out of Strauss music than anyone
else I've ever heard, and given a Viennese orchestra he can do wonders.
This one recording excells in charm and _Gemuethlichkeit_.  The only problem:
the dialogue has been abridged.

>Another excellent recording is on DG conducted by Carlos Kleiber
>and performed with joyous good humor.  It's only flaw--and it's a big
>one--is that the prince is sung by a man instead of a mezzo-soprano.  Very
>campy, but a mess is made of Orlovsky's wonderful aria.  

I would say that the main flaw of this recording is that it lacks charm.
Technically, there are no problems here and the playing and the cast are
excellent.  But there's more to Strauss than that.  Kleiber does not have the
feel.

>If you don't mind
>mono sound from the early 50s, there's a famous recording on London/Decca
>conducted by Clemens Krauss and an excellent cast of the period.  Also
>performed with great panache.  "Es lebe Champagner der Erste."

Yes, this is quite good.  But it has no dialogue, if I remember correctly,
and thus quite abruptly jumps from one segment to the next without any
dramatic flow.

I've added r.m.c.r. to the cross-postings to see if anyone there has any
knowledge of these or other good recordings.  I'm not sure why the original
poster began this thread on r.m.c. in the first place since it seems to
concern only recordings and not the music.

Charles Ehrlich
Wolfson College (Oxford)


 
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paykcc  
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 More options Jun 24 1995, 3:00 am
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From: pay...@vaxa.nott.ac.uk
Date: 1995/06/24
Subject: Re: Die Fledermaus
Hello:

In article <3se0ac$...@nic.wi.leidenuniv.nl>, "M.Penninga" <mpenning> writes:
>>... Die Fledermaus ...
>     ^^^

>It's _DER_ Fledermaus !

>Marc Penninga
>e-mail: mpenn...@wi.leidenuniv.nl
>__________________________________________________________________________ ______

>Books are a triviality. Life alone is great. -- Thomas Carlyle

Do you still think it is "Der" Fledermaus? Better check again!
I think it is Die Fledermaus.

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clovis lark  
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From: cl...@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (clovis lark)
Date: 1995/06/24
Subject: Re: Die Fledermaus

In <3sh8vj$...@griffin.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk> pay...@vaxa.nott.ac.uk writes:
>Hello:
>In article <3se0ac$...@nic.wi.leidenuniv.nl>, "M.Penninga" <mpenning> writes:
>>>... Die Fledermaus ...
>>     ^^^

>>It's _DER_ Fledermaus !

>>Marc Penninga
>>e-mail: mpenn...@wi.leidenuniv.nl
>>_________________________________________________________________________ _______

>>Books are a triviality. Life alone is great. -- Thomas Carlyle
>Do you still think it is "Der" Fledermaus? Better check again!
>I think it is Die Fledermaus.

YEAH! ARE YOU A MAUS OR A MANN (die Maus, der Mann)


 
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L EMERSON  
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From: d...@falcon.cc.ukans.edu (L EMERSON)
Date: 1995/06/24
Subject: Re: Die Fledermaus
Dinko Gonzalez Trotter (di...@phy.duke.edu) wrote:
: Hi everybody.  Could you give me your opinion on which is the best recording
: of Die Fledermaus available in CD?  I like this operetta and do not know
: where to begin looking.  Thanks for your help.
: --
: ______________________
: Dinko Gonzalez Trotter
: di...@daytona.tunl.duke.edu
: _____________________
Although the other replies to these inquiry  are fine performances, I
believe that the best is the set with Rita Streich, Schwarzkopf, and Eric
Kunz with Karajan conducting. It was on a cheap EMI 2-disc set a few
years ago. Streich is superb and although she has her detractors,
Schwarzkopf is still a great countess.

 
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To die young is far too boring these days  
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Date: 1995/06/24
Subject: Re: Die Fledermaus
Fmermaid (fmerm...@aol.com) wrote:

: di...@phy.duke.edu (Dinko Gonzalez Trotter) wrote:
: Date: 22 Jun 1995 17:27:20 GMT
: Message-ID: <3sc95o$...@news.duke.edu>

: Hi everybody.  Could you give me your opinion on which is the best
: recording
: of Die Fledermaus available in CD?  I like this operetta and do not know
: where to begin looking.  Thanks for your help.
: --
Honestly, DF is not one of my favoirite pieces. I loved it the first two
times I saw it but find it now to be trivial. Guess I listen to too much
Verdi and Wagner. Oh well. But, if I was to recommend a recording I would
go with either the TeKanawa (Philips) or, the "Gala Recording"
(Decca/London) conducted by Herbert Von Karajan. This unusual recording
features a Glal segment at Prince ORlofsky's party, in which Jussi
Bjorling, Mario Del Monaco and Birgit Nillson (singing, of all things, "I
could have danced all night," from My fair lady") is damned interesting,
to say the least :)
                                                Paul J. Pelkonen


 
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J Mohundro  
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From: jmohun...@aol.com (J Mohundro)
Date: 1995/06/25
Subject: Re: Die Fledermaus
I would like to add a _videotape_.  Some years ago Thorne EMI taped a
performance with Te Kanawa, Herman Prey and Bejamin Luxon, and conducted
by Placido Domingo.  All music aside, its topical and other references--in
German, English and some fractured French--make for a lively satire of the
form and of the opera in general.  It's a gem of an evening's
entertainment.  I secured mine through A&B Sound in Vancouver; however, it
may not be readily available in the U.S.  It is _not_ the Te Kanawa CD
recording.

jmohundro


 
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RLBALDWIN  
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From: rlbald...@aol.com (RLBALDWIN)
Date: 1995/06/26
Subject: Re: Die Fledermaus
The only problem with the Karajan recording is the overture.
Surprisingly, it's not "Viennese" enough!

RLBald...@aol.com


 
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From: Peter Kantor <d...@delphi.com>
Date: 1995/06/28
Subject: Re: Die Fledermaus

J Mohundro <jmohun...@aol.com> writes:
>I would like to add a _videotape_.  Some years ago Thorne EMI taped a
>performance with Te Kanawa, Herman Prey and Bejamin Luxon, and conducted
>by Placido Domingo.  All music aside, its topical and other references--in

Didn't they tape another performance also -- same cast, but with Zubin Mehta
conducting?  I seem to remember Ch. 5 in NYC showing this every New Year's
Eve (before they went Fox).  It was Te Kanawa, Prey, Luxon, and Robert Tear
as Orlofsky, and it was definitely Mehta, not Domingo.  Otherwise, same deal:
Covent Garden, text sung in German(where applicable) and spoken in the language
of the singer. But I've never seen it since about 1980...perhaps it was a dream.
Sarah

 
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Hilary Bates  
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From: Hilary Bates <hba...@amgen.com>
Date: 1995/06/29
Subject: Re: Die Fledermaus

"M.Penninga" <mpenning> wrote:
>>... Die Fledermaus ...
>     ^^^
>It's _DER_ Fledermaus !

It's DIE Fledermaus!!!!!!!!!

Hilary
hba...@amgen.com
<><


 
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Gene Gaudette  
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From: ggaud...@nyc.pipeline.com (Gene Gaudette)
Date: 1995/06/30
Subject: Re: Die Fledermaus
In rec.music.classical Hilary Bates <hba...@amgen.com> said:

>It's DIE Fledermaus!!!!!!!!!

I still remember the day I was driving through Connecticut listening to the
local public radio station as the DJ announced the "Overture to Dye
Flatermaus."

Gene


 
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Bruce Recant  
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From: brec...@worldbank.org (Bruce Recant)
Date: 1995/06/30
Subject: Re: Die Fledermaus
In article <3sst7o$...@amgen.amgen.com>, hba...@amgen.com  (Hilary Bates)
says:

>"M.Penninga" <mpenning> wrote:
>>>... Die Fledermaus ...
>>     ^^^
>>It's _DER_ Fledermaus !

>It's DIE Fledermaus!!!!!!!!!

>Hilary
>hba...@amgen.com
><><

I sometimes wish the damned bat *would* die.  One of the most awful
music-going experiences in my life was to attend (I discovered too late)
an unspeakably wretched English language production of Fledermaus at Wolf
Trap on what turned out to be the hottest summer night in the DC are in
half a century (yes, people literally died from the heat.  After the
performance, I felt that perhaps I would have been better off...)
--
Bruce Recant                      brec...@worldbank.org
The World Bank                    
Washington, DC

 
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Jose Artemio Carpio Panganiban  
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From: j...@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jose Artemio Carpio Panganiban)
Date: 1995/06/30
Subject: Re: Die Fledermaus
In article <3sst7o$...@amgen.amgen.com>,
Hilary Bates  <hba...@amgen.com> wrote:

>"M.Penninga" <mpenning> wrote:
>>>... Die Fledermaus ...
>>     ^^^
>>It's _DER_ Fledermaus !

Maus is a feminine noun, therefore it's DIE Fledermaus.


 
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Gabriel M. Kuper  
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From: ku...@ecrc.de (Gabriel M. Kuper)
Date: 1995/07/03
Subject: Re: Die Fledermaus

In article <3t1f0n$...@minerva.worldbank.org>, brec...@worldbank.org (Bruce Recant) writes:
> I sometimes wish the damned bat *would* die.  One of the most awful
> music-going experiences in my life was to attend (I discovered too late)
>[...]

You should stay away from Vienna next Christmas. On Dec 31 you have a choice
between Fledermaus at the Staatsoper, and no fewer that 2 performances
at the Volksoper... (They are timed so that you can see two, but not all
three on the same day...)

Gabriel Kuper


 
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