Beginner -- looking for suggestions
mkr5000
of these composers. (Very much).
Looking for suggestions on other composers/works that mimic this
sound, which I consider
very soothing but musically interesting.
Do not care for "aggressive" classical music --
Beethoven, Schumann are a couple recent listens that turn me off.
Also like what I have from Brahms and Dvorak. (Heard some "Bizet" ? on
the radio -- enjoyed it).
Should also mention I don't like Piano concertos at all -- give me
Symphonies or string concertos.
(I'll take my Piano music in Jazz or Billy Joel thank you).
Thanks for any help.
Peter T. Daniels
Unless you say _what_ Haydn, Mozart, Beethoven, and Schumann you're
talking about, your comments don't make much sense! What is
"aggressive" classical music?
Beethoven's teachers were Haydn and Mozart (literally). That's where
he came from. Schumann admired Beethoven above all.
Brahms was a disciple of Schumann's.
Dvorak might take you to Tchaikovsky.
M
>
> Beethoven's teachers were Haydn and Mozart (literally). That's where
> he came from.
Beethoven had some lessons from Haydn; but they didn't lead anywhere or
amount to anything.
And there is no evidence that Beethoven ever had any actual lessons from
Mozart.
Daniels is just being a nitwit wanker again.
Killfile him: you'll know more if you never see another word that he writes,
the witless, bloviating shit.
M.
David Oberman
>Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>>
>> Beethoven's teachers were Haydn and Mozart (literally). That's where
>> he came from.
>
>Beethoven had some lessons from Haydn; but they didn't lead anywhere or
>amount to anything.
True, but I assumed Peter was taking a wider view of Haydn's influence
on Beethoven's music. The lessons themselves amounted to very little,
but Haydn's compositions were one of Beethoven's more influential
"teachers."
Peter T. Daniels
"M" is too stupid to be allowed near a typewriter. I wonder whether
"M" is one of my five stalkers from a different newsgroup that I
sometimes crosspost to.
Note that "M" is incapable of addressing OP's query.
M
He said 'literally'. That means a literal teacher. Not an 'influence' or an
'inspiration' or anything else.
Keep your brain-rot to yourselves.
M.
Lora Crighton
mkr5000
Regulars fighting with each other.
Was I asking for their relationship with each other and who taught
who?
I simply mentioned Haydn and Mozart were favorites and "soothing" --
aggressive means just that -- heavy percussion, blah blah.
Frankly, a lot of classical music sounds like a bad marching band if
you ask me.
Anyway --
thanks for nothing.
Lora Crighton
> Gee, thanks for the informative, "typical" newsgroup response.
>
> Regulars fighting with each other.
>
> Was I asking for their relationship with each other and who taught
> who?
>
> I simply mentioned Haydn and Mozart were favorites and "soothing" --
If you could give examples of Haydn and Mozart pieces you like, that
would help us know what to suggest.
> aggressive means just that -- heavy percussion, blah blah.
> Frankly, a lot of classical music sounds like a bad marching band if
> you ask me.
>
LOL! You haven't heard really bad marching band then...
M
Your question was actually so deeply sub-musical that I would have felt
sullied answering it: it does not in fact admit of a musical answer.
If you think Haydn and Mozart are 'soothing', then you are, essentially,
deaf.
M.
J R Laredo
"mkr5000" <mike...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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I am sorry that you have been put off by some of the responses to your
question, but I do understand that you probably don't have the vocabulary to
form a question that most here would understand. You, to us, contradict
yourself. For example, "soothing" does not cover all of Mozart's music, or
Haydn's, for that matter. There are genuinely frightening moments in his
Requiem, and Haydn's "Drumroll" symphony is aptly named.
If all you like are symphonies and string concertos, between the two of them
there are over 150 of the former and 9 known of the latter which should keep
you busy for a while.
Did you think to google "Haydn and Mozart contemporaries?" If you had you
would have easily come up with a list like this:
Carl Joseph Toeschi (1731-1788) -
Johann Samuel Schr�ter (1752-1788) -
Christian Cannabich (1731-1798) -
Domenico Cimarosa (1754-1801) -
Franz Xaver Dussek (1731-1799)
Franz Anton Hoffmeister (1754-1812)
Franz Ignaz von Beecke (1733-1803)
Giovanni Battista Viotti (1755-1824) -
Francois-Joseph Gossec (1734-1829) -
Joseph Martin Kraus (1756-1808) -
Franz Ignaz Beck (1734-1809) -
Paul Wranitzky (1756-1808) -
Johann Christian Bach (1735-1782) -
Ignace Joseph Pleyel (1757-1831) -
Johann Schobert (1735-1767) -
Francois Devienne (1759-1803) -
Johann Georg Albrechtsberger (1736-1809) -
Franz Krommer (1759-1831) -
Josef Myslivecek (1737-1781) -
Jan Ladislav Dussek (1760-1812) -
Leopold Hofmann (1738-1793) -
Luigi Cherubini (1760-1842) -
Johann Baptist Vanhal (1739-1813) -
Franz Wilhelm Tausch (1762-1817) -
Carl Ditters von Dittersdorf (1739-1799) -
Franz Danzi (1763-1826) -
Giovanni Paisiello (1740-1816) -
Adalbert Gyrowetz (1763-1850) -
V�clav Pichl (1741-1805) -
Joseph Eybler (1765-1846) -
Luigi Boccherini (1743-1805) -
Samuel Wesley (1766-1837) -
Carl Stamitz (1745-1801) -
Franz Xaver S�ssmayr (1766-1803) -
Leopold Kozeluch (1747-1818) -
Andreas Romberg (1767-1821) -
Christian Gottlob Neefe (1748-1798) -
Carlos Baguer (1768-1808) -
Georg Joseph Vogler (1749-1814) -
Anton Reicha (1770-1836) -
Antonio Rosetti (1750-1792) -
Johann Baptist Cramer (1771-1858) -
Antonio Salieri (1750-1825) -
Bernhard Henrik Crusell (1775-1838) -
Johann Friedrich Reichardt (1752-1814) -
Johann Nepomuk Hummel (1778-1837) -
Muzio Clementi (1752-1832) -
John Field (1782-1837) -
Your comment about Beethoven would be considered odd since his first
symphony is very much like one Haydn would write. And you don't say what of
Brahms and Dvorak you have, and it would be hard to not label the finales of
Brahms first or Dvorak's last 3 symphonies as aggressive.
One I might think to be a sure thing for you would be the "Mozartiana" Suite
by Tchaikovsky.
Peter T. Daniels
Let us hope that "M," like his eponymous movie namesake, is never
allowed near children.
Peter T. Daniels
>
> Regulars fighting with each other.
>
> Was I asking for their relationship with each other and who taught
> who?
That's how art works.
> I simply mentioned Haydn and Mozart were favorites and "soothing" --
I take it you haven't tried listening to Don Giovanni. Or The
Creation.
> aggressive means just that -- heavy percussion, blah blah.
> Frankly, a lot of classical music sounds like a bad marching band if
> you ask me.
_Which_ classical music sounds like a bad marching band?
> Anyway --
>
> thanks for nothing.
Try to provide more information, and try to be specific.
Charles Milton Ling
--
Charles Milton Ling
Vienna, Austria
John W Kennedy
> One I might think to be a sure thing for you would be the "Mozartiana" Suite
> by Tchaikovsky.
Prokofiev #1?
--
John W. Kennedy
"The blind rulers of Logres
Nourished the land on a fallacy of rational virtue."
-- Charles Williams. "Taliessin through Logres: Prelude"
J R Laredo
"John W Kennedy" <jwk...@attglobal.net> wrote in message
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Those warbling flutes might be too aggressive for him.
Howard Brazee
>If you think Haydn and Mozart are 'soothing', then you are, essentially,
>deaf.
They both created a wide variety of music, eliciting a wide variety of
responses.
But the people themselves are dead.
--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."
- James Madison
mkr5000
"I like Mozart and Haydn".
Is that statement to difficult to get your pompous heads around?
I also like Ten Years After, Commander Cody and Rosemary Clooney --
and I doubt any of you have that diversity.
You arrogant pseudo-intellectuals -- in fact -- sound like children.
Piss off.
(How's that for "acerbic").
Peter T. Daniels
> Thanks for the list JR.
>
> "I like Mozart and Haydn".
>
> Is that statement to difficult to get your pompous heads around?
Yes. Each of them wrote well over 600 numbered pieces of music --
probably hundreds of hours -- and you may have heard one or two pieces
by each of them. Why do you refuse to identify them, so that we can
make a stab at identifying similar things?
> I also like Ten Years After, Commander Cody and Rosemary Clooney --
> and I doubt any of you have that diversity.
How many songs did Rosemary Clooney write?
I suppose the first two belong to the (post-Beach Boys) generation
when it was necessary for popular musicians to compose the songs they
performed and to rarely perform songs written by anyone else. If they
have an unusually large number of albums -- say, 20 -- then they may
have come up with as many as 300 3-minute songs. (ISTR that the total
count of Beatles songs is 175, and according to the recent marketing
campaign, there are 14 albums, almost 1/3 of which are movie
soundtacks.)
> You arrogant pseudo-intellectuals -- in fact -- sound like children.
>
> Piss off.
>
> (How's that for "acerbic").
The arrogance of your ignorance surpasses the arrogance of those who
called you names.
Lora Crighton
> Thanks for the list JR.
>
> "I like Mozart and Haydn".
>
Which of their hundreds of works? What about it did you like? Much of
their music is anything but soothing, so you haven't really given
enough information for us to be able to post much helpful.
>
> Is that statement to difficult to get your pompous heads around?
>
> I also like Ten Years After, Commander Cody and Rosemary Clooney --
> and I doubt any of you have that diversity.
>
Wander through chant, Perotin, Leonin & other early music, more
classical, romantic, and on to 20th century music, then talk about
diversity.
Here's an Ambrosian chant for the season - Alleluia Verset:"Hodie in
Bethlehem puer natus est"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7gooKM_4aA
And a better known gregorian chant - Hodie Christus Natus Est
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNEfCGtUoWU
Some later settings - Hodie Christus Natus Est
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxyqDRV_h50 Jacob Handl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_ysMHsxSiQ Palestrina
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqzA6ydkSZQ Poulenc
Some Christmas music from one of my favourite composers -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFC5wEBvbII
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-P4fBOsD4I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eL4fhwhq9KE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7kRoqAsxQ4
> You arrogant pseudo-intellectuals -- in fact -- sound like children.
>
>
> Piss off.
>
> (How's that for "acerbic").
That's just rude. Merry Christmas anyway!
laraine
> Been listening to Haydn and Mozart for starters and really enjoy both
> of these composers. (Very much).
>
Chopin's solo piano music? Bach? I knew someone
who liked New Age, and he'd listen to Handel's Water
Music anyway.
> Looking for suggestions on other composers/works that mimic this
> sound, which I consider
> very soothing but musically interesting.
>
> Do not care for "aggressive" classical music --
>
Why not? I suggest getting educated about history/art
and realizing that because art mimics life or whatever,
it will sometimes be aggressive, and that can be part of
its purpose.
> Beethoven, Schumann are a couple recent listens that turn me off.
>
> Also like what I have from Brahms and Dvorak. (Heard some "Bizet" ? on
> the radio -- enjoyed it).
Do you like opera?
>
> Should also mention I don't like Piano concertos at all -- give me
> Symphonies or string concertos.
>
> (I'll take my Piano music in Jazz or Billy Joel thank you).
>
Hard to believe -- Beethoven can be more soothing
than some jazz, not that that's bad or good.
C.
> Thanks for any help.
laraine
You know, go to the library and get some of
those 'sampler' CD's. They generally have
accessible music on them. Mendelssohn,
Schubert, maybe Ravel, Debussy, ...
C.
RVG
> Been listening to Haydn and Mozart for starters and really enjoy both
> of these composers. (Very much).
>
> Looking for suggestions on other composers/works that mimic this
> sound, which I consider
> very soothing but musically interesting.
>
I'd say Mendelssohn. I'm sure you'll love his violin concerto (who
doesn't ?).
> Do not care for "aggressive" classical music --
>
> Beethoven, Schumann are a couple recent listens that turn me off.
>
Schumann, aggressive ???
> Also like what I have from Brahms and Dvorak. (Heard some "Bizet" ? on
> the radio -- enjoyed it).
>
Bizet's fine. Although he was mostly an opera composer, he wrote one
symphony and L'Arl�sienne suite is another fine piece of archestral music.
Try Debussy too. Not the most intuitive to approach, but very rewarding
if you persevere.
> Should also mention I don't like Piano concertos at all --
And yet I would recommend anything by Sviatoslav Richter. Starting with
the album that contains the concertos of Grieg and Schumann.
> give me
> Symphonies or string concertos.
>
>
> (I'll take my Piano music in Jazz or Billy Joel thank you).
>
I worship Thelonious Monk, Bill Evans and Oscar Peterson, but that
doesn't push me away from Sviatoslav Richter, Claudio Arrau or Aldo
Ciccolini, quite the contrary!
I consider that the jazz of the 50s and 60s (from bop to avant-garde)
*is* the true classical music of the African-Americans. And like
European music, it all comes from Bach.
Monk and Coltrane started as church musicians, learning music from
chorals and cantatas, although evolved and adapted into Gospels and
spirituals, of the Reformed church, ie Bach.
Frank Zappa, for example, was well aware of this filiation.
http://www.myspace.com/raphaelimbertandrerossi
--
New piano music:
Berceuse d'Hiver en R�:
http://www.jamendo.com/en/album/56233
Echo d'un murmure:
http://www.jamendo.com/en/album/56983
"La premi�re arme de la R�sistance c'est l'information." Lucie Aubrac
mkr5000
See? It is possible to respond to someone without condescending and
insulting "commentary".
We should talk to each other on the keyboard as if, we were face to
face.
Peter T. Daniels
> Thanks Laraine and RVG.
>
> See? It is possible to respond to someone without condescending and
> insulting "commentary".
Both of them asked you what you meant by "aggressive," and you _still_
haven't explained.
Lora asked you _which_ works of Haydn and Mozart you listened to,
which were apparently so atypical of their output, and you _still_
haven't answered.
> We should talk to each other on the keyboard as if, we were face to
> face.
If we were face to face, I would have walked away to talk to someone
else at the party long ago.
Lora Crighton
> We should talk to each other on the keyboard as if, we were face to
> face.
>
I would never tell anyone "Piss off" online or IRL. I would also not
give such a rude response to "Merry Christmas" as you gave to my post on
Christmas eve. If that is how you talk to people face to face, I am
glad that we are unlikely to meet.
mkr5000
no one gives a shit about your middle initial.