What happend to NYC classical music RADIO PROGRAMMING on NPR WNYC & WQXR?
Twittering One
almost all talk-radio/news, and their former music programming went
over to WQXR.
& WQXR had their frequency downgraded to a fuzzy signal.
Is this all a result of economic challenges and/or pay-for-listening
chanels now?
Peter T. Daniels
You could go to the websites of the radio stations, or you could look
up the discussion earlier in this newsgroup.
What happened was that the NY TImes needed to cut expenses, so it sold
its frequency to Univision who wanted a strong Spanish-language
station in the middle of the dial. WNYC took over the operation of
WQXR on the frequency vacated by Univision (and has to raise several
million dollars to pay for it).
There are times when WQXR comes in clearly on River Road in Edgewater/
Weehawken, and times when it doesn't.
The other day a station break said "New York and Newark," so I'd like
to know where the transmitter actually is.
edo...@gmail.com
The transmitter sounds like it is at the bottom of the Hudson River!
Ed
rich...@gmail.com
On Dec 9, 2:26 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:
Peter T. Daniels
wrote:
> On Dec 9, 2:26 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > The other day a station break said "New York and Newark," so I'd like
>
> Where is Newark?
>
[top-posting corrected]
Southwest of Jersey City.
rich...@gmail.com
{Bottom posting corrected}
Kalman Rubinson
<mourne...@aol.com> wrote:
>I have been out of touch for a bit ~ but see that WNYC FM is now
>almost all talk-radio/news, and their former music programming went
>over to WQXR.
>
>& WQXR had their frequency downgraded to a fuzzy signal.
Not fuzzy for me at the office or apartment, both in Manhattan. They
are, of course, now sending a much less powerful signal and have
admitted that their coverage area is reduced.
More troublesome, for me, is the continued dilution of the programming
and talk. So, despite the decent radio signal, the content has been
downgraded.
Q2 is pretty nice for interesting content although it is not well
managed.
Kal
John W Kennedy
> The other day a station break said "New York and Newark," so I'd like
> to know where the transmitter actually is.
The announcement has nothing to do with the transmitter, which could be
anywhere. Many "New York" transmitters are in Secaucus (swamps are good
for the signal). However, according to Wikipedia, WQXR is still on the
Empire State Building; the main problem is that it's at 1/10 the power.
--
John W. Kennedy
"The blind rulers of Logres
Nourished the land on a fallacy of rational virtue."
-- Charles Williams. "Taliessin through Logres: Prelude"
Peter T. Daniels
wrote:
> n Dec 9, 4:55 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
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> > On Dec 9, 2:46 pm, "richer...@hotnail.com" <richer...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:> On Dec 9, 2:26 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > > The other day a station break said "New York and Newark," so I'd like
> > > > to know where the transmitter actually is.-
>
> > > Where is Newark?
>
> > [top-posting corrected]
>
[top-posting corrected again]
> You have answered a question with a question....
I have done nothing of the sort.
Peter T. Daniels
> On 12/9/09 2:26 PM, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>
> > The other day a station break said "New York and Newark," so I'd like
> > to know where the transmitter actually is.
>
> The announcement has nothing to do with the transmitter, which could be
> anywhere. Many "New York" transmitters are in Secaucus (swamps are good
> for the signal). However, according to Wikipedia, WQXR is still on the
> Empire State Building; the main problem is that it's at 1/10 the power.
I can _see_ the ESB when driving on River Road, and I can _see_ the
ESB from the rear windows of my house.
So what does "New York and Newark" mean?
Peter T. Daniels
> On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 08:10:09 -0800 (PST), Twittering One
>
> >I have been out of touch for a bit ~ but see that WNYC FM is now
> >almost all talk-radio/news, and their former music programming went
> >over to WQXR.
>
> >& WQXR had their frequency downgraded to a fuzzy signal.
>
> Not fuzzy for me at the office or apartment, both in Manhattan. They
> are, of course, now sending a much less powerful signal and have
> admitted that their coverage area is reduced.
>
> More troublesome, for me, is the continued dilution of the programming
> and talk. So, despite the decent radio signal, the content has been
> downgraded.
Last Saturday I heard a lot of *The Bonesetter's Daughter*, from the
SF Opera premiere -- not exactly top-40 or easy-listening fare. But if
they no longer have three hours of minimalism every night, as WNYC-FM
did, that's a blessing.
> Q2 is pretty nice for interesting content although it is not well
> managed.
Where, exactly, are they inflicting an entire week of Steve Reich on
the listeners? They've been promoing it for weeks: "The iconic
Downtown composer." I wonder whether anyone has told them what
"iconic" means.
It's hugely galling that the woman who records most of the promos or
"underwriting announcements" about classical events heard on WNYC-AM
can't pronounce names like "Handel" and "Berlioz." For a week or more
she was advertising "John *Williams' theme. From *Schindler's
List." (asterisk marks accented syllable.) Even if she's never heard
of either the composer or the movie, couldn't the sequence of English
words have told her that it was "John Williams' 'Theme from
Schindler's List'"?
Kalman Rubinson
<gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>On Dec 9, 6:44�pm, Kalman Rubinson <k...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> More troublesome, for me, is the continued dilution of the programming
>> and talk. �So, despite the decent radio signal, the content has been
>> downgraded.
>
>Last Saturday I heard a lot of *The Bonesetter's Daughter*, from the
>SF Opera premiere -- not exactly top-40 or easy-listening fare. But if
>they no longer have three hours of minimalism every night, as WNYC-FM
>did, that's a blessing.
On weekends, I am usually way beyond WQXR's coverage, so my comments
only apply to the weekdays and, then, only daytime programming.
>> Q2 is pretty nice for interesting content although it is not well
>> managed.
>
>Where, exactly, are they inflicting an entire week of Steve Reich on
>the listeners? They've been promoing it for weeks: "The iconic
>Downtown composer." I wonder whether anyone has told them what
>"iconic" means.
Where do you see or hear any statements? I get only
composer/title/performer information on-screen and, often, not even
that! Besides, when using Q2, it is easy to switch to another web
radio site with a click. On FM, one has no such option.
>It's hugely galling that the woman who records most of the promos or
>"underwriting announcements" about classical events heard on WNYC-AM
>can't pronounce names like "Handel" and "Berlioz." For a week or more
>she was advertising "John *Williams' theme. From *Schindler's
>List." (asterisk marks accented syllable.) Even if she's never heard
>of either the composer or the movie, couldn't the sequence of English
>words have told her that it was "John Williams' 'Theme from
>Schindler's List'"?
Yeah. And even when pronounced properly, the comments are insipid.
Kal
Peter T. Daniels
> On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 20:27:00 -0800 (PST), "Peter T. Daniels"
>
> >On Dec 9, 6:44 pm, Kalman Rubinson <k...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> More troublesome, for me, is the continued dilution of the programming
> >> and talk. So, despite the decent radio signal, the content has been
> >> downgraded.
>
> >Last Saturday I heard a lot of *The Bonesetter's Daughter*, from the
> >SF Opera premiere -- not exactly top-40 or easy-listening fare. But if
> >they no longer have three hours of minimalism every night, as WNYC-FM
> >did, that's a blessing.
>
> On weekends, I am usually way beyond WQXR's coverage, so my comments
> only apply to the weekdays and, then, only daytime programming.
>
> >> Q2 is pretty nice for interesting content although it is not well
> >> managed.
>
> >Where, exactly, are they inflicting an entire week of Steve Reich on
> >the listeners? They've been promoing it for weeks: "The iconic
> >Downtown composer." I wonder whether anyone has told them what
> >"iconic" means.
>
> Where do you see or hear any statements? I get only
WNYC-FM (7-11 or 12 am and 3-6 pm) and WNYC-AM (Saturday 7-1 and 5-8,
Sunday 8-10, 1-3, 5-8).
Met broadcasts start this week (Il Trittico), but with just about all
the Texaco Opera Quiz participants deceased, the Toll Brothers Opera
Quiz tended to be rather dull, so there's not much reason to tune in
any more.
Twittering One
Thanks.
I have limited web time, so I could not ascertain the history of the
recent changes on the web site; but now I see. And many of the
programs I like are now on WQXR, although I cannot get much of a
signal, if at all, on the little radio someone gave me the other day;
although I can get WNYC very clearly.
I hope it can be resolved in the future, but the siges says FCC now
limits their access as a B1 station, etc.
I am glad the programming survived; I have not been able to listen in
3.5 years, so I was shocked 2 days ago, when I tuned in, and found
little that was there before, on WNYC.
Kalman Rubinson
<gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>On Dec 10, 9:45�am, Kalman Rubinson <k...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Where do you see or hear any statements? �
>
>WNYC-FM (7-11 or 12 am and 3-6 pm) and WNYC-AM (Saturday 7-1 and 5-8,
>Sunday 8-10, 1-3, 5-8).
Well, that explains it. I have not tuned in to WNYC for years.
Kal
John W Kennedy
Studios and/or license.
LT
I miss the 'old' website of WQXR's.
On it, one could find, each day, a wealth of information; especially
their well-prepared playlists with programming details, as much as
several days in advance.
As a longtime listener, I feel the loss.
The new policy is allegedly due to new legal restrictions regarding
advance info of actual broadcastings, with few exceptions.
If so, why was it allowed prior to the 'Big Move' to 105.9 FM?
LT
On Dec 9, 11:10 am, Twittering One <mournenwo...@aol.com> wrote:
Twittering One
Kalman Rubinson
<mourne...@aol.com> wrote:
>Well, I miss being able to hear WQRX and getting music on WNYC.
WQXR is at 105.9
Kal
Peter T. Daniels
> On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:41:35 -0800 (PST), Twittering One
>
> >Well, I miss being able to hear WQRX and getting music on WNYC.
>
> WQXR is at 105.9
But very few people can hear it any more.
General Schvantzkoph
Broadcast classical music stations are dying, there are only 22 left in
the entire country. In Boston WCRB was just bought by WGBH which will
convert it's format to NPR talk leaving WCRB as the sole classical music
station in Boston. There was an article a few days ago in either the
Times or the WSJ about the effects of ratings meters on radio station
ratings, classical stations have been particularly hurt. The old system
used diaries which artificially boosted the ratings of classical stations
because people would over report the time they spent listening to
classical music stations and under report the time they spent listening
to crap stations. I suspect that Sirius has had a disproportionate effect
on classical music station listenership also. Sirius offers three
channels of classical music which gives you more choice then you can get
in almost all radio markets, so even though the Sirius signal is severely
over compressed it still draws away the most dedicated classical music
fans. With the spread of 3G and 4G cell networks I suspect that services
like LastFM and Pandora will be the final nail in the coffin of broadcast
music stations. I would guess that Internet Radio will kill Sirius first
(because it's so expensive to operate), classical music stations next,
and eventually all music radio stations.
rich...@gmail.com
I was listening to a bit of the new QXR this morning, which I
basically don't do, and did notice something interesting.
Historically, even in the good old days, music would be programmed so
that they ended exactly on the hour for news and weather. Now, they
seem willing to let up to 5 minutes slide for a piece of music.
I don't mention it with any specific conclusion, but it seemed
interesting to me, and suggested that they might be a little more
flexibile in programming, although I gather that the sound is poor in
most of the city.
On Dec 18, 4:05 pm, General Schvantzkoph <schvantzk...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Peter T. Daniels
wrote:
> Very interesting discussion, and thanks.
>
> I was listening to a bit of the new QXR this morning, which I
> basically don't do, and did notice something interesting.
> Historically, even in the good old days, music would be programmed so
> that they ended exactly on the hour for news and weather. Now, they
> seem willing to let up to 5 minutes slide for a piece of music.
That's strange, because when some years ago WNYC went to a very rigid
15-minute-segment schedule for Brian Lehrer and Leonard Lopate, they
absolutely had to drop everything on the quarter-hour; before that,
they had used 20-minute segments that weren't strictly observed at
all.
A long time ago I heard that WFMT had to get special permission from
the FCC not to interrupt programming at the top of every hour (such as
during live concerts!) for station identification -- Don Tait can
presumably provide the facts.
Pat
wrote:
> Very interesting discussion, and thanks.
>
> I was listening to a bit of the new QXR this morning, which I
> basically don't do, and did notice something interesting.
> Historically, even in the good old days, music would be programmed so
> that they ended exactly on the hour for news and weather. Now, they
> seem willing to let up to 5 minutes slide for a piece of music.
>
> I don't mention it with any specific conclusion, but it seemed
> interesting to me, and suggested that they might be a little more
> flexibile in programming, although I gather that the sound is poor in
> most of the city.
>
> On Dec 18, 4:05 pm, General Schvantzkoph <schvantzk...@yahoo.com>
KUSC is the only classical station left in Los Angeles, and as such
it's on in the background of my life for 10-12 hours a day during the
week. They play wonderful music, of course, and most of the disc
jockeys are bearable and Rich Caparella, in afternoon drive time, is
very entertaining. But apparently commerical considerations, even
though it's a public station, force them quite often to play only one
movement of a work. They do play full length pieces now and then but
much of the time it's the third movement of this and the second
movement of that. And the morning drive-time DJ, drives me crazy by
announcing, several times a day, when they do have occasion to play a
complete work, "And now, KUSC, *your* classical music station, brings
you, in its magnificent 17-minute entirety, Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart's
"Eine kleine Nachtmusik"
Well, geez, take a bow, why don't you?
I swear he uses that 'magnificent X-minute entirety' phrase at least
once an hour.
But I guess we shouldn't complain. When told that the second act of
William Tell (or something) was going to be played that night at the
local opera house, the great Rossini is said to have exclaimed,
"What?! All of it?!"
Plus ca change ....
Pat
Pat
pavane
"General Schvantzkoph" <schvan...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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| On Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:10:09 -0800, Twittering One wrote:
|
| > I have been out of touch for a bit ~ but see that WNYC FM is now almost
| > all talk-radio/news, and their former music programming went over to
| > WQXR.
| >
| > & WQXR had their frequency downgraded to a fuzzy signal.
| >
| > Is this all a result of economic challenges and/or pay-for-listening
| > chanels now?
|
| Broadcast classical music stations are dying, there are only 22 left in
| the entire country.
You may add (subtract, really) WMFE in Orlando, which just switched
itself to all talk format. They "moved" their classical music to HD radio,
which no one has, so to celebrate they gave away 150 HD radios in some
sort of raffle. This is a copy of instructions on the WMFE website:
"For more information on HD Radio's: click here." That is a direct copy,
note the intelligence behind the apostrophe in Radios.
pavane
rich...@gmail.com
but I am a gentleman.
And in the alternative, I am scared of Ken.
Richard
tho...@antispam.ham
> A long time ago I heard that WFMT had to get special permission from
> the FCC not to interrupt programming at the top of every hour (such as
> during live concerts!) for station identification -- Don Tait can
> presumably provide the facts.
I've been under the impression that such an exception to the station
ID rules has been in place for a very long time. Not for just WFMT
but any station broadcasting a piece of music that would otherwise
require interruption of the music to do the station ID at the
required time. It may also apply to sporting events. Many times I've
heard the play-by-play announcer say that the owe affiliates a station
break, and they'd get it at the next stop in the action.
---MIKE---
network of classical stations including some digital stations that
broadcast classical music 24/7. I don't always like their music choices
but that's me. I prefer the XM radio choices in my car.
---MIKE---
>>In the White Mountains of New Hampshire
>> (44° 15' N - Elevation 1580')
Raving
"Target-of-focus"
... anti | spam ...
... antispam | ham ...
That really *is* your point of view!
---------------------------------------------
No ID interruptions for a thousand years. A crafty broadcaster might
create a special arrangement with spontaneous improvised 'program
overlays'.
"The Longplayer is a 1,000-year-long composition by Jem Finer and is
played out by computer at several public listening posts around the
world.
It began playing on 31 December 1999 and will continue - without
repetition - until the last moment of 2999. "
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/arts_and_culture/8252444.stm
Raving
"Target-of-Focus" as in concerning ...
...interrupting a broadcast performance ( shift target-of-focus off
target-of-focus ) to make announcement of target ID. ...
Now it may seem to some that I am pestering Tholen with nitpicking,
personal minutia in an obsessive manner. nevertheless ...
- It is difficult to decouple 'obsessive preoccupation' and a
heightened sensibility/awareness for the target-of-focus.
-It might seem that I am engaging in personal and private issues in a
public venue. Notwithstanding such, there is scant less private or
unexpressed than a person's individual POINT-OF-VIEW.
Prof. Tholen's POV concerns"target-of-focus". He expresses that
himself, personally in most every utterance.
- As narrow and peculiar Prof. Tholen's viewpoint might seem to be to
others ... within the bounds of my own limited, inexpert experience,
such "narrowness" and peculiar 'specificity' used in a constant,
intense, unvarying manner is *ordinary*
For example, my wife is singularly and unwaveringly preoccupied with
'dominant-aspects-and-features'.
I myself am preoccupied with 'point-of-view'.
A person's point of view, seems to be a habit which occupies a
lifetime.
A person's POV seems to function as a notch pre-filter, an ordering
measure, a guide to alignment.
In the context of Prof. Tholen, I am describing how a 'point-of-view'
pertains to a 'target-of-focus'.
Knowing, recognizing and remembering, a person's 'point-of-view' is
practical and worthwhile. It is because a person's point-of-view is
assumed and seldom if ever, is it explicitly, overtly declared. A
person's POV carries the bulk of meaning and content of the message
they express. POV represents intensively implied 'context'.
A person's POV denotes the feature which is gained over a lifetime of
accumulated experience, specific individual brilliance, and particular
hyper-sensitization.
-----------------------------------------
Each person's POV is narrow, individual and persistent.
I am intrigued by Prof. Tholen's personal POV ( 'target-of-focus' )
because each person has their own narrow, individual, persistent
'target-of-focus' (POV). People do not seem spend much time straying
from such deeply ingrained habit.
People project their own, personal, individual, specific POV (target-
of-focus) onto others. This seems to be universal and unavoidable.
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I am not confident that the narrow, specific, persistent point-of-view
that each person possess is a widely, known, recognized or appreciated
trait.