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tux
Oct 7, 2012, 8:32:30 AM10/7/12
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William Sommerwerck
Oct 7, 2012, 11:34:26 AM10/7/12
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There was an SQ LP called "Organ Orgy" in which Anthony Newman played a
number of "loud" pieces, including Wagner.
number of "loud" pieces, including Wagner.
RVG
Oct 7, 2012, 12:46:35 PM10/7/12
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Le 07/10/2012 17:34, William Sommerwerck a ï¿œcrit :
the organ.
There's always Louis Vierne played by Cochereau anyway.
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> There was an SQ LP called "Organ Orgy" in which Anthony Newman played
> a number of "loud" pieces, including Wagner.
>
>
I wonder how Bruckner's symphonies would sound transposed back (?) for
> a number of "loud" pieces, including Wagner.
>
>
the organ.
There's always Louis Vierne played by Cochereau anyway.
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Dufus
Oct 7, 2012, 1:26:31 PM10/7/12
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>On Oct 7, 11:46 am, RVG <not.h...@themoment.invalid.org> wrote:
Cameron Carpenter plays Mussorgsky's " Pictures" complete :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lP5D_g-Irxo
You may also wish to find the 2012 Proms 68 where Carpenter presents
his synthesis of Bach's D minor Prelude & Fugue with the concluding
Rondo from Mahler's 5th Symphony.
Dufus
Cameron Carpenter plays Mussorgsky's " Pictures" complete :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lP5D_g-Irxo
You may also wish to find the 2012 Proms 68 where Carpenter presents
his synthesis of Bach's D minor Prelude & Fugue with the concluding
Rondo from Mahler's 5th Symphony.
Dufus
Peter T. Daniels
Oct 7, 2012, 1:44:26 PM10/7/12
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On Oct 7, 1:26 pm, Dufus <steveha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Oct 7, 11:46 am, RVG <not.h...@themoment.invalid.org> wrote:
>
> Cameron Carpenter plays Mussorgsky's " Pictures" complete :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lP5D_g-Irxo
He aspires to be Virgil Fox. I saw him three or four times at Trinity
> >On Oct 7, 11:46 am, RVG <not.h...@themoment.invalid.org> wrote:
>
> Cameron Carpenter plays Mussorgsky's " Pictures" complete :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lP5D_g-Irxo
Church Wall Street. He discovered ways to manipulate their electronic
organ-substitute in ways that even JSB wouldn't have taken advantage
of.
> You may also wish to find the 2012 Proms 68 where Carpenter presents
> his synthesis of Bach's D minor Prelude & Fugue with the concluding
> Rondo from Mahler's 5th Symphony.
Kip Williams
Oct 7, 2012, 3:20:33 PM10/7/12
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William Sommerwerck wrote, On 10/7/12 11:34 AM:
real standout. If I had an insanely loud stereo in my car, with speakers
directed outward, for the purposes of repaying those who pull up next to
me at stoplights and regaling me with their taste in music, that's the
track I'd want cued up.
There is also a recording of this played, I think, by Couchereau — the
Lemare transcription of the Tannhäuser overture, that is, not the
Wagner-Lemare Walkürenritt.
Kip W
> There was an SQ LP called "Organ Orgy" in which Anthony Newman played a
> number of "loud" pieces, including Wagner.
It was all Wagner, though not all loud. The Ride of the Valkyries was a
> number of "loud" pieces, including Wagner.
real standout. If I had an insanely loud stereo in my car, with speakers
directed outward, for the purposes of repaying those who pull up next to
me at stoplights and regaling me with their taste in music, that's the
track I'd want cued up.
There is also a recording of this played, I think, by Couchereau — the
Lemare transcription of the Tannhäuser overture, that is, not the
Wagner-Lemare Walkürenritt.
Kip W
Kip Williams
Oct 7, 2012, 3:30:49 PM10/7/12
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RVG wrote, On 10/7/12 12:46 PM:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhCvkJK9xjA
(links to other movements are on the page)
Album for sale here:
http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/album.jsp?album_id=27026
Kip W
> I wonder how Bruckner's symphonies would sound transposed back (?) for
> the organ.
Like this:
> the organ.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhCvkJK9xjA
(links to other movements are on the page)
Album for sale here:
http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/album.jsp?album_id=27026
Kip W
Kip Williams
Oct 7, 2012, 3:33:42 PM10/7/12
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Peter T. Daniels wrote, On 10/7/12 1:44 PM:
"Revolutionary" Etude performance. He doesn't compete with him on
repertory much, though. Carpenter doesn't care a lot for traditional
organ music (except maybe Bach), and does his own transcriptions.
His footwork is stunning, and he loves to play more than one manual at a
time with the same hand. He was born to transcribe stuff — well,
actually, he built himself up to do it.
Kip W
> On Oct 7, 1:26 pm, Dufus <steveha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Oct 7, 11:46 am, RVG <not.h...@themoment.invalid.org> wrote:
>>
>> Cameron Carpenter plays Mussorgsky's " Pictures" complete :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lP5D_g-Irxo
>
> He aspires to be Virgil Fox. I saw him three or four times at Trinity
> Church Wall Street. He discovered ways to manipulate their electronic
> organ-substitute in ways that even JSB wouldn't have taken advantage
> of.
Seems to me Carpenter goes well beyond Fox in some ways, like his
>>> On Oct 7, 11:46 am, RVG <not.h...@themoment.invalid.org> wrote:
>>
>> Cameron Carpenter plays Mussorgsky's " Pictures" complete :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lP5D_g-Irxo
>
> He aspires to be Virgil Fox. I saw him three or four times at Trinity
> Church Wall Street. He discovered ways to manipulate their electronic
> organ-substitute in ways that even JSB wouldn't have taken advantage
> of.
"Revolutionary" Etude performance. He doesn't compete with him on
repertory much, though. Carpenter doesn't care a lot for traditional
organ music (except maybe Bach), and does his own transcriptions.
His footwork is stunning, and he loves to play more than one manual at a
time with the same hand. He was born to transcribe stuff — well,
actually, he built himself up to do it.
Kip W
Peter T. Daniels
Oct 7, 2012, 5:12:46 PM10/7/12
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On Oct 7, 3:20 pm, Kip Williams <mrk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> William Sommerwerck wrote, On 10/7/12 11:34 AM:
>
> > There was an SQ LP called "Organ Orgy" in which Anthony Newman played a
> > number of "loud" pieces, including Wagner.
>
> It was all Wagner, though not all loud. The Ride of the Valkyries was a
> real standout. If I had an insanely loud stereo in my car, with speakers
> directed outward, for the purposes of repaying those who pull up next to
> me at stoplights and regaling me with their taste in music, that's the
> track I'd want cued up.
>
> There is also a recording of this played, I think, by Couchereau the
> Lemare transcription of the Tannh user overture, that is, not the
> William Sommerwerck wrote, On 10/7/12 11:34 AM:
>
> > There was an SQ LP called "Organ Orgy" in which Anthony Newman played a
> > number of "loud" pieces, including Wagner.
>
> It was all Wagner, though not all loud. The Ride of the Valkyries was a
> real standout. If I had an insanely loud stereo in my car, with speakers
> directed outward, for the purposes of repaying those who pull up next to
> me at stoplights and regaling me with their taste in music, that's the
> track I'd want cued up.
>
> There is also a recording of this played, I think, by Couchereau the
> Wagner-Lemare Walk renritt.
"The Ride of the Valkyries" is often done as an organ duet (one
console, two players). I think I once attended a version for three
players, but the console wasn't visible from the nave, so it wasn't
particularly impressive.
Peter T. Daniels
Oct 7, 2012, 5:16:36 PM10/7/12
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On Oct 7, 3:33 pm, Kip Williams <mrk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Peter T. Daniels wrote, On 10/7/12 1:44 PM:
>
> > On Oct 7, 1:26 pm, Dufus <steveha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Oct 7, 11:46 am, RVG <not.h...@themoment.invalid.org> wrote:
>
> >> Cameron Carpenter plays Mussorgsky's " Pictures" complete :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lP5D_g-Irxo
>
> > He aspires to be Virgil Fox. I saw him three or four times at Trinity
> > Church Wall Street. He discovered ways to manipulate their electronic
> > organ-substitute in ways that even JSB wouldn't have taken advantage
> > of.
>
> Seems to me Carpenter goes well beyond Fox in some ways,
Sorry, but the sequined t-shirt and skin-tight white skinny jeans
> Peter T. Daniels wrote, On 10/7/12 1:44 PM:
>
> > On Oct 7, 1:26 pm, Dufus <steveha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Oct 7, 11:46 am, RVG <not.h...@themoment.invalid.org> wrote:
>
> >> Cameron Carpenter plays Mussorgsky's " Pictures" complete :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lP5D_g-Irxo
>
> > He aspires to be Virgil Fox. I saw him three or four times at Trinity
> > Church Wall Street. He discovered ways to manipulate their electronic
> > organ-substitute in ways that even JSB wouldn't have taken advantage
> > of.
>
> Seems to me Carpenter goes well beyond Fox in some ways,
cannot compete with the flowing scarlet-lined opera cape and
traditional white tie, and the two-inch heels are unlike anything worn
by any other organist.
> like his
> "Revolutionary" Etude performance. He doesn't compete with him on
> repertory much, though. Carpenter doesn't care a lot for traditional
> organ music (except maybe Bach), and does his own transcriptions.
>
> His footwork is stunning, and he loves to play more than one manual at a
> time with the same hand. He was born to transcribe stuff — well,
> actually, he built himself up to do it.
Kip Williams
Oct 7, 2012, 6:00:35 PM10/7/12
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Peter T. Daniels wrote, On 10/7/12 5:12 PM:
It's not exactly clear, but Newman wasn't alone in making the recording.
I think they started with the Lemare (or possibly a Lemare version for
two) and had two people on the keys and someone crouching inside the
organ itself — I'm going by the liner notes — working some pedals. It says:
"I was helped by friends and students in many ways during this session:
Randall Atcheson added the extra lines that could not be played by two
hands and two feet. This was especially true in the _Ride of the
Valkyries_. Gary Schultz crawled inside the organ console to manipulate
some of the swell pedals. Edward Thompson and John Stump bravely pushed
pistons and pulled stops."
Kip W
I think they started with the Lemare (or possibly a Lemare version for
two) and had two people on the keys and someone crouching inside the
organ itself — I'm going by the liner notes — working some pedals. It says:
"I was helped by friends and students in many ways during this session:
Randall Atcheson added the extra lines that could not be played by two
hands and two feet. This was especially true in the _Ride of the
Valkyries_. Gary Schultz crawled inside the organ console to manipulate
some of the swell pedals. Edward Thompson and John Stump bravely pushed
pistons and pulled stops."
Kip W
Kip Williams
Oct 7, 2012, 6:00:59 PM10/7/12
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Peter T. Daniels wrote, On 10/7/12 5:16 PM:
listening to him.
>> like his
>> "Revolutionary" Etude performance. He doesn't compete with him on
>> repertory much, though. Carpenter doesn't care a lot for traditional
>> organ music (except maybe Bach), and does his own transcriptions.
>>
>> His footwork is stunning, and he loves to play more than one manual at a
>> time with the same hand. He was born to transcribe stuff — well,
>> actually, he built himself up to do it.
>
> There are _reasons_ why organ compositions aren't written that way.
Well, it's some of why he doesn't play organ compositions much.
Kip W
> On Oct 7, 3:33 pm, Kip Williams <mrk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Peter T. Daniels wrote, On 10/7/12 1:44 PM:
>>
>>> On Oct 7, 1:26 pm, Dufus <steveha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Oct 7, 11:46 am, RVG <not.h...@themoment.invalid.org> wrote:
>>
>>>> Cameron Carpenter plays Mussorgsky's " Pictures" complete :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lP5D_g-Irxo
>>
>>> He aspires to be Virgil Fox. I saw him three or four times at Trinity
>>> Church Wall Street. He discovered ways to manipulate their electronic
>>> organ-substitute in ways that even JSB wouldn't have taken advantage
>>> of.
>>
>> Seems to me Carpenter goes well beyond Fox in some ways,
>
> Sorry, but the sequined t-shirt and skin-tight white skinny jeans
> cannot compete with the flowing scarlet-lined opera cape and
> traditional white tie, and the two-inch heels are unlike anything worn
> by any other organist.
Oh, you were talking about fashion. I guess I only know Fox from
>> Peter T. Daniels wrote, On 10/7/12 1:44 PM:
>>
>>> On Oct 7, 1:26 pm, Dufus <steveha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Oct 7, 11:46 am, RVG <not.h...@themoment.invalid.org> wrote:
>>
>>>> Cameron Carpenter plays Mussorgsky's " Pictures" complete :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lP5D_g-Irxo
>>
>>> He aspires to be Virgil Fox. I saw him three or four times at Trinity
>>> Church Wall Street. He discovered ways to manipulate their electronic
>>> organ-substitute in ways that even JSB wouldn't have taken advantage
>>> of.
>>
>> Seems to me Carpenter goes well beyond Fox in some ways,
>
> Sorry, but the sequined t-shirt and skin-tight white skinny jeans
> cannot compete with the flowing scarlet-lined opera cape and
> traditional white tie, and the two-inch heels are unlike anything worn
> by any other organist.
listening to him.
>> like his
>> "Revolutionary" Etude performance. He doesn't compete with him on
>> repertory much, though. Carpenter doesn't care a lot for traditional
>> organ music (except maybe Bach), and does his own transcriptions.
>>
>> His footwork is stunning, and he loves to play more than one manual at a
>> time with the same hand. He was born to transcribe stuff — well,
>> actually, he built himself up to do it.
>
> There are _reasons_ why organ compositions aren't written that way.
Kip W
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNZwgNlhmG8&feature=related
>
>
> bye
> :)
>
Hi, Do check out
http://www.haydnhouse.com/organ_loft6.htm for Newman's Wagner Organ
transcritions including the
Tannhauser Overture. The transfer CD is a top seller.
Pierre
Peter T. Daniels
Oct 7, 2012, 11:30:52 PM10/7/12
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holding sustained chords!
Peter T. Daniels
Oct 7, 2012, 11:34:39 PM10/7/12
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On Oct 7, 6:00 pm, Kip Williams <mrk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Peter T. Daniels wrote, On 10/7/12 5:16 PM:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 7, 3:33 pm, Kip Williams <mrk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Peter T. Daniels wrote, On 10/7/12 1:44 PM:
>
> >>> On Oct 7, 1:26 pm, Dufus <steveha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On Oct 7, 11:46 am, RVG <not.h...@themoment.invalid.org> wrote:
>
> >>>> Cameron Carpenter plays Mussorgsky's " Pictures" complete :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lP5D_g-Irxo
>
> >>> He aspires to be Virgil Fox. I saw him three or four times at Trinity
> >>> Church Wall Street. He discovered ways to manipulate their electronic
> >>> organ-substitute in ways that even JSB wouldn't have taken advantage
> >>> of.
>
> >> Seems to me Carpenter goes well beyond Fox in some ways,
>
> > Sorry, but the sequined t-shirt and skin-tight white skinny jeans
> > cannot compete with the flowing scarlet-lined opera cape and
> > traditional white tie, and the two-inch heels are unlike anything worn
> > by any other organist.
>
> Oh, you were talking about fashion. I guess I only know Fox from
> listening to him.
Music-making wasn't really the point of Virgil Fox ... it was as if E.
> Peter T. Daniels wrote, On 10/7/12 5:16 PM:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 7, 3:33 pm, Kip Williams <mrk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Peter T. Daniels wrote, On 10/7/12 1:44 PM:
>
> >>> On Oct 7, 1:26 pm, Dufus <steveha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On Oct 7, 11:46 am, RVG <not.h...@themoment.invalid.org> wrote:
>
> >>>> Cameron Carpenter plays Mussorgsky's " Pictures" complete :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lP5D_g-Irxo
>
> >>> He aspires to be Virgil Fox. I saw him three or four times at Trinity
> >>> Church Wall Street. He discovered ways to manipulate their electronic
> >>> organ-substitute in ways that even JSB wouldn't have taken advantage
> >>> of.
>
> >> Seems to me Carpenter goes well beyond Fox in some ways,
>
> > Sorry, but the sequined t-shirt and skin-tight white skinny jeans
> > cannot compete with the flowing scarlet-lined opera cape and
> > traditional white tie, and the two-inch heels are unlike anything worn
> > by any other organist.
>
> Oh, you were talking about fashion. I guess I only know Fox from
> listening to him.
Power Biggs had never lived!
(Compare Liberace ... react as you will to the flamboyance, he was a
_good_ pianist.)
> >> like his
> >> "Revolutionary" Etude performance. He doesn't compete with him on
> >> repertory much, though. Carpenter doesn't care a lot for traditional
> >> organ music (except maybe Bach), and does his own transcriptions.
>
> >> His footwork is stunning, and he loves to play more than one manual at a
> >> time with the same hand. He was born to transcribe stuff well,
> >> actually, he built himself up to do it.
>
> > There are _reasons_ why organ compositions aren't written that way.
>
> Well, it's some of why he doesn't play organ compositions much.
>
:-)
priyanka patel
Oct 8, 2012, 4:02:08 AM10/8/12
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William Sommerwerck
Oct 8, 2012, 6:28:51 AM10/8/12
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manuals and the pedals at the same time.
Fox was considered a "showman" (in the uncomplimentary sense), and tended to
play a work differently each time. Butl... If you don't have the RCA album
of him playing the Riverside orgain -- get it. Forgive me for calling it
"exquisite", but it is. Fox set a standard for the interpretation of
Romantic music -- ravishing, without descending into self-indulgence or
ickiness.
news:0a9b5fce-636b-4e00...@b15g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 7, 3:33 pm, Kip Williams <mrk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Peter T. Daniels wrote, On 10/7/12 1:44 PM:
>> On Oct 7, 1:26 pm, Dufus <steveha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Oct 7, 11:46 am, RVG <not.h...@themoment.invalid.org> wrote:
>>>> Cameron Carpenter plays Mussorgsky's " Pictures" complete
:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lP5D_g-Irxo
>>> He aspires to be Virgil Fox. I saw him three or four times at Trinity
>>> Church Wall Street. He discovered ways to manipulate their electronic
>>> organ-substitute in ways that even JSB wouldn't have taken advantage
>>> of.
>> Seems to me Carpenter goes well beyond Fox in some ways,
> Sorry, but the sequined t-shirt and skin-tight white skinny jeans
> cannot compete with the flowing scarlet-lined opera cape and
> traditional white tie, and the two-inch heels are unlike anything worn
> by any other organist.
I saw Fox perform 40 years ago. He's so short, it's amazing he can reach the
> Peter T. Daniels wrote, On 10/7/12 1:44 PM:
>> On Oct 7, 1:26 pm, Dufus <steveha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Oct 7, 11:46 am, RVG <not.h...@themoment.invalid.org> wrote:
>>>> Cameron Carpenter plays Mussorgsky's " Pictures" complete
:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lP5D_g-Irxo
>>> He aspires to be Virgil Fox. I saw him three or four times at Trinity
>>> Church Wall Street. He discovered ways to manipulate their electronic
>>> organ-substitute in ways that even JSB wouldn't have taken advantage
>>> of.
>> Seems to me Carpenter goes well beyond Fox in some ways,
> Sorry, but the sequined t-shirt and skin-tight white skinny jeans
> cannot compete with the flowing scarlet-lined opera cape and
> traditional white tie, and the two-inch heels are unlike anything worn
> by any other organist.
manuals and the pedals at the same time.
Fox was considered a "showman" (in the uncomplimentary sense), and tended to
play a work differently each time. Butl... If you don't have the RCA album
of him playing the Riverside orgain -- get it. Forgive me for calling it
"exquisite", but it is. Fox set a standard for the interpretation of
Romantic music -- ravishing, without descending into self-indulgence or
ickiness.
wkasimer
Oct 8, 2012, 9:12:02 AM10/8/12
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On Oct 7, 11:34 am, "William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgee...@comcast.net>
wrote:
Bill
wrote:
> There was an SQ LP called "Organ Orgy" in which Anthony Newman played a
> number of "loud" pieces, including Wagner.
https://rapidshare.com/files/217182854/organ_orgy_mp3.zip
> number of "loud" pieces, including Wagner.
Bill
Peter T. Daniels
Oct 8, 2012, 9:29:07 AM10/8/12
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On Oct 8, 6:29 am, "William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgee...@comcast.net>
wrote:
> "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote in messagenews:0a9b5fce-636b-4e00...@b15g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
Hunter College Auditorium (which seemed to be equipped with a
perfectly good pipe organ of its own) in 1968 or 69. He wouldn't
autograph my program, but as he grasped my hand for a very long time
and gazed into my eyes, I don't recall him as being particularly
short. (Not Alicia de Laroccha short!)
> Fox was considered a "showman" (in the uncomplimentary sense), and tended to
> play a work differently each time. Butl... If you don't have the RCA album
> of him playing the Riverside orgain -- get it. Forgive me for calling it
> "exquisite", but it is. Fox set a standard for the interpretation of
> Romantic music -- ravishing, without descending into self-indulgence or
> ickiness.
There are quite a few, are there not? He was the organist there for
years.
wrote:
> "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote in messagenews:0a9b5fce-636b-4e00...@b15g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 7, 3:33 pm, Kip Williams <mrk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Peter T. Daniels wrote, On 10/7/12 1:44 PM:
> >> On Oct 7, 1:26 pm, Dufus <steveha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> On Oct 7, 11:46 am, RVG <not.h...@themoment.invalid.org> wrote:
> >>>> Cameron Carpenter plays Mussorgsky's " Pictures" complete
>
> :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lP5D_g-Irxo
>
> >>> He aspires to be Virgil Fox. I saw him three or four times at Trinity
> >>> Church Wall Street. He discovered ways to manipulate their electronic
> >>> organ-substitute in ways that even JSB wouldn't have taken advantage
> >>> of.
> >> Seems to me Carpenter goes well beyond Fox in some ways,
> > Sorry, but the sequined t-shirt and skin-tight white skinny jeans
> > cannot compete with the flowing scarlet-lined opera cape and
> > traditional white tie, and the two-inch heels are unlike anything worn
> > by any other organist.
>
> I saw Fox perform 40 years ago. He's so short, it's amazing he can reach the
> manuals and the pedals at the same time.
I went backstage after a "magic electric organ light show" at the
> > Peter T. Daniels wrote, On 10/7/12 1:44 PM:
> >> On Oct 7, 1:26 pm, Dufus <steveha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> On Oct 7, 11:46 am, RVG <not.h...@themoment.invalid.org> wrote:
> >>>> Cameron Carpenter plays Mussorgsky's " Pictures" complete
>
> :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lP5D_g-Irxo
>
> >>> He aspires to be Virgil Fox. I saw him three or four times at Trinity
> >>> Church Wall Street. He discovered ways to manipulate their electronic
> >>> organ-substitute in ways that even JSB wouldn't have taken advantage
> >>> of.
> >> Seems to me Carpenter goes well beyond Fox in some ways,
> > Sorry, but the sequined t-shirt and skin-tight white skinny jeans
> > cannot compete with the flowing scarlet-lined opera cape and
> > traditional white tie, and the two-inch heels are unlike anything worn
> > by any other organist.
>
> I saw Fox perform 40 years ago. He's so short, it's amazing he can reach the
> manuals and the pedals at the same time.
Hunter College Auditorium (which seemed to be equipped with a
perfectly good pipe organ of its own) in 1968 or 69. He wouldn't
autograph my program, but as he grasped my hand for a very long time
and gazed into my eyes, I don't recall him as being particularly
short. (Not Alicia de Laroccha short!)
> Fox was considered a "showman" (in the uncomplimentary sense), and tended to
> play a work differently each time. Butl... If you don't have the RCA album
> of him playing the Riverside orgain -- get it. Forgive me for calling it
> "exquisite", but it is. Fox set a standard for the interpretation of
> Romantic music -- ravishing, without descending into self-indulgence or
> ickiness.
years.
Kip Williams
Oct 8, 2012, 9:41:59 AM10/8/12
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Peter T. Daniels wrote, On 10/7/12 11:30 PM:
Kip W
> On Oct 7, 6:00 pm, Kip Williams <mrk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Peter T. Daniels wrote, On 10/7/12 5:12 PM:
>> Peter T. Daniels wrote, On 10/7/12 5:12 PM:
>>> "The Ride of the Valkyries" is often done as an organ duet (one
>>> console, two players). I think I once attended a version for three
>>> players, but the console wasn't visible from the nave, so it wasn't
>>> particularly impressive.
>>
>> It's not exactly clear, but Newman wasn't alone in making the recording.
>> I think they started with the Lemare (or possibly a Lemare version for
>> two) and had two people on the keys and someone crouching inside the
>> organ itself I'm going by the liner notes working some pedals. It says:
>>
>> "I was helped by friends and students in many ways during this session:
>> Randall Atcheson added the extra lines that could not be played by two
>> hands and two feet. This was especially true in the _Ride of the
>> Valkyries_. Gary Schultz crawled inside the organ console to manipulate
>> some of the swell pedals. Edward Thompson and John Stump bravely pushed
>> pistons and pulled stops."
>
> You'd only need help with the expression pedals if all four feet were
> holding sustained chords!
I'm just the messenger.
>>> console, two players). I think I once attended a version for three
>>> players, but the console wasn't visible from the nave, so it wasn't
>>> particularly impressive.
>>
>> It's not exactly clear, but Newman wasn't alone in making the recording.
>> I think they started with the Lemare (or possibly a Lemare version for
>> two) and had two people on the keys and someone crouching inside the
>> organ itself I'm going by the liner notes working some pedals. It says:
>>
>> "I was helped by friends and students in many ways during this session:
>> Randall Atcheson added the extra lines that could not be played by two
>> hands and two feet. This was especially true in the _Ride of the
>> Valkyries_. Gary Schultz crawled inside the organ console to manipulate
>> some of the swell pedals. Edward Thompson and John Stump bravely pushed
>> pistons and pulled stops."
>
> You'd only need help with the expression pedals if all four feet were
> holding sustained chords!
Kip W
Peter T. Daniels
Oct 8, 2012, 11:38:53 AM10/8/12
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On Oct 8, 9:41 am, Kip Williams <mrk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Peter T. Daniels wrote, On 10/7/12 11:30 PM:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 7, 6:00 pm, Kip Williams <mrk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Peter T. Daniels wrote, On 10/7/12 5:12 PM:
> >>> "The Ride of the Valkyries" is often done as an organ duet (one
> >>> console, two players). I think I once attended a version for three
> >>> players, but the console wasn't visible from the nave, so it wasn't
> >>> particularly impressive.
>
> >> It's not exactly clear, but Newman wasn't alone in making the recording.
> >> I think they started with the Lemare (or possibly a Lemare version for
> >> two) and had two people on the keys and someone crouching inside the
> >> organ itself I'm going by the liner notes working some pedals. It says:
>
> >> "I was helped by friends and students in many ways during this session:
> >> Randall Atcheson added the extra lines that could not be played by two
> >> hands and two feet. This was especially true in the _Ride of the
> >> Valkyries_. Gary Schultz crawled inside the organ console to manipulate
> >> some of the swell pedals. Edward Thompson and John Stump bravely pushed
> >> pistons and pulled stops."
BTW that "bravely" seems most odd -- it's quite normal for the page-
> Peter T. Daniels wrote, On 10/7/12 11:30 PM:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 7, 6:00 pm, Kip Williams <mrk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Peter T. Daniels wrote, On 10/7/12 5:12 PM:
> >>> "The Ride of the Valkyries" is often done as an organ duet (one
> >>> console, two players). I think I once attended a version for three
> >>> players, but the console wasn't visible from the nave, so it wasn't
> >>> particularly impressive.
>
> >> It's not exactly clear, but Newman wasn't alone in making the recording.
> >> I think they started with the Lemare (or possibly a Lemare version for
> >> two) and had two people on the keys and someone crouching inside the
> >> organ itself I'm going by the liner notes working some pedals. It says:
>
> >> "I was helped by friends and students in many ways during this session:
> >> Randall Atcheson added the extra lines that could not be played by two
> >> hands and two feet. This was especially true in the _Ride of the
> >> Valkyries_. Gary Schultz crawled inside the organ console to manipulate
> >> some of the swell pedals. Edward Thompson and John Stump bravely pushed
> >> pistons and pulled stops."
turner to occasionally pull a stop, and with a large console having
two stop-pullers seems sensible. (Well, piston-pushing, with four busy
hands flying about, could be hazardous.)
> > You'd only need help with the expression pedals if all four feet were
> > holding sustained chords!
>
> I'm just the messenger.
when they do the 1812 Overture.
JohnGavin
Oct 8, 2012, 12:05:19 PM10/8/12
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He was greatly talented, but in retrospect I don't like most of his playing. Too caffeinated, hyper, and also those Rogers travelling organs he played on were pretty awful sounding.
I think Cameron Carpenter is even more of a genius than Fox - I hope he finds a real niche in the concert world - some of the digital organs he plays on are OK, like the Marshall and Ogletrees, but others are truly as awful as Fox's. Also, I'm not sure that all those piano to organ arrangements that he does are really effective after a while.
In case anyone missed this reference on a previous thread, here's a truly spectacular arrangement of the Ride of the Valkuries.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4x9QIt_fqQE
RVG
Oct 8, 2012, 12:38:36 PM10/8/12
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Le 07/10/2012 21:30, Kip Williams a écrit :
> RVG wrote, On 10/7/12 12:46 PM:
>> I wonder how Bruckner's symphonies would sound transposed back (?)
>> for the organ.
>
> Like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhCvkJK9xjA (links to other
> movements are on the page)
>
Oh, great ! Thanks a lot.
> RVG wrote, On 10/7/12 12:46 PM:
>> I wonder how Bruckner's symphonies would sound transposed back (?)
>> for the organ.
>
> Like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhCvkJK9xjA (links to other
> movements are on the page)
>
It's an import on Amazon.fr at €25. I'll stick with the videos for the
moment.
--
« Les mots qui vont surgir savent de nous des choses que nous ignorons
d'eux. »
René Char
Dufus
Oct 8, 2012, 2:30:20 PM10/8/12
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>On Oct 8, 11:05 am, JohnGavin <dagd...@gmail.com> wrote:
And Mormon's having fun : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_HdrywerGE&feature=related
Of course ,easy to enjoy when you're in the 53%.
And Mormon's having fun : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_HdrywerGE&feature=related
Of course ,easy to enjoy when you're in the 53%.
John Wiser
Oct 8, 2012, 4:08:50 PM10/8/12
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"Dufus" <steve...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> And Mormon's having fun : [ne-ver mind!]
jdw
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> And Mormon's having fun : [ne-ver mind!]
> Of course ,easy to enjoy when you're in the 53%.
The 47% are welcome to press their noses to the glass.
jdw
Roland van Gaalen
Oct 8, 2012, 4:41:22 PM10/8/12
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RVG wrote:
> [ Kip Williams wrote: ]
>
> > [ RVG wrote: ]
Very impressive.
--
Roland van Gaalen
Cape Town
>
>
> > Album for sale here:
>
> > http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/album.jsp?album_id=27026
>
> >
>
>
>
> It's an import on Amazon.fr at �25. I'll stick with the videos for the
>
> moment.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
>
>
> � Les mots qui vont surgir savent de nous des choses que nous ignorons
>
> d'eux. �
>
> Ren� Char
> [ Kip Williams wrote: ]
>
> > [ RVG wrote: ]
>
> >> I wonder how Bruckner's symphonies would sound transposed back (?)
>
> >> for the organ.
>
> >
>
> > Like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhCvkJK9xjA
> > (links to other movements are on the page)
>
> Oh, great ! Thanks a lot.
>
Re: Bruckner 8, performed on organ by Lionel Rogg
> >> I wonder how Bruckner's symphonies would sound transposed back (?)
>
> >> for the organ.
>
> >
>
> > Like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhCvkJK9xjA
> > (links to other movements are on the page)
>
> Oh, great ! Thanks a lot.
>
Very impressive.
--
Roland van Gaalen
Cape Town
>
>
> > Album for sale here:
>
> > http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/album.jsp?album_id=27026
>
> >
>
>
>
>
> moment.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
>
>
> � Les mots qui vont surgir savent de nous des choses que nous ignorons
>
> d'eux. �
>
> Ren� Char
Roland van Gaalen
Oct 8, 2012, 5:16:48 PM10/8/12
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On Monday, October 8, 2012 6:05:19 PM UTC+2, JohnGavin wrote:
> I think Cameron Carpenter is even more of a genius than Fox
I think there is a distant but noticeable family resemblance between Virgil Fox and Freddie Mercury -- it has to do with being slightly over the top as well as having an unique, powerful, highly expressive voice.
> I think Cameron Carpenter is even more of a genius than Fox
Cameron Carpenter is is a virtuoso performer, but he doesn't have a voice.
Virgil Fox is best heard not in those irritating, noisy virtuoso showpieces (a la Cameron Carpenter and Jean Guillou) but in the beautiful arrangements he played mostly on the Riverside Church organ and on the Wannamaker organ.
Listen to the excerpt from _Samson and Delilah_ by Saint-Saens (performed in 1951), or the Tschaikowsky piece (1950) under the link below -- that sort of thing. It's very good music, in my opinion.
But what I have heard by Cameron Carpenter so far (including _Pictures at an Exhibition_) leaves me cold. It doesn't sound like music to me.
http://www.virgilfoxlegacy.com/discography.html
Kip Williams
Oct 8, 2012, 9:20:18 PM10/8/12
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JohnGavin wrote, On 10/8/12 12:05 PM:
orchestral voice, one by one, tweaked the notes by hand, and then played
the result back on a pipe organ.
This isn't clear at the YouTube, but he talks about it at his web site
(and includes other recordings, for those interested).
Kip W
> In case anyone missed this reference on a previous thread, here's a truly spectacular arrangement of the Ride of the Valkuries.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4x9QIt_fqQE
It's a MIDI arrangement, in which the arranger programmed each
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4x9QIt_fqQE
orchestral voice, one by one, tweaked the notes by hand, and then played
the result back on a pipe organ.
This isn't clear at the YouTube, but he talks about it at his web site
(and includes other recordings, for those interested).
Kip W
Kip Williams
Oct 8, 2012, 9:21:22 PM10/8/12
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Peter T. Daniels wrote, On 10/8/12 11:38 AM:
This! is the cereal that's shot from guns!
This! is the cereal that's shot from guns! ...
Kip W
This! is the cereal that's shot from guns! ...
Kip W
O
Oct 8, 2012, 9:49:22 PM10/8/12
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In article <m_Kcs.9028$ns4....@newsfe04.iad>, Kip Williams
Mighty guns are filled with wheat!
This is the cereal that's fun to eat!
-Owen, didn't I just say I dislike Tchaikovsky?
This is the cereal that's fun to eat!
-Owen, didn't I just say I dislike Tchaikovsky?
Kip Williams
Oct 8, 2012, 11:36:01 PM10/8/12
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O wrote, On 10/8/12 9:49 PM:
We are OUT of Rice Krispies!
Kip W
M forever
Oct 9, 2012, 3:16:54 AM10/9/12
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On Oct 7, 12:46 pm, RVG <not.h...@themoment.invalid.org> wrote:
> Le 07/10/2012 17:34, William Sommerwerck a crit :
organ. They are very much conceived as orchestral music, not
transposed organ music.
> There's always Louis Vierne played by Cochereau anyway.
>
> --
>
> http://www.jamendo.com/fr/user/RVG95http://soundcloud.com/rvgronoffhttp://bluedusk.blogspot.com/
> Le 07/10/2012 17:34, William Sommerwerck a crit :
>
> > There was an SQ LP called "Organ Orgy" in which Anthony Newman played
> > a number of "loud" pieces, including Wagner.
>
> > There was an SQ LP called "Organ Orgy" in which Anthony Newman played
> > a number of "loud" pieces, including Wagner.
>
> I wonder how Bruckner's symphonies would sound transposed back (?) for
> the organ.
Bruckner's symphonies were neither composed on nor conceived for the
> the organ.
organ. They are very much conceived as orchestral music, not
transposed organ music.
> There's always Louis Vierne played by Cochereau anyway.
>
> --
>
> Les mots qui vont surgir savent de nous des choses que nous ignorons
> d'eux.
> Ren Char
> Les mots qui vont surgir savent de nous des choses que nous ignorons
> d'eux.
>
> http://www.jamendo.com/fr/user/RVG95http://soundcloud.com/rvgronoffhttp://bluedusk.blogspot.com/
William Sommerwerck
Oct 9, 2012, 8:03:59 AM10/9/12
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And they had Milton Cross doing the voice-over! My, how times have changed.
(I still miss Milton.)
(I still miss Milton.)
Peter T. Daniels
Oct 9, 2012, 10:15:24 AM10/9/12
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On Oct 9, 8:04 am, "William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgee...@comcast.net>
wrote:
an archival recording. But they don't include any of the old
announcing or commentary. I'd far rather hear even Peter Allen than
Margaret Junthwaite (or however one spells her) 's insipid
descriptions, with Ira Siph (Y) fawning alongside.
A recent Tosca from IIRC 1971 was quite revelatory. The principals
were magnificent. The chorus, however, was abysmal (Kurt Herbert
Adler, dir.), and the orchestra not exactly something to write home
about. They _really_ needed a Jimmy Levine. The chorus, however, did
not improve until quite recent years -- I think they stole the Lyric
Opera of Chicago's chorus master.
wrote:
> And they had Milton Cross doing the voice-over! My, how times have changed.
> (I still miss Milton.)
When the Met takes a Saturday afternoon off, WQXR generally broadcasts
> (I still miss Milton.)
an archival recording. But they don't include any of the old
announcing or commentary. I'd far rather hear even Peter Allen than
Margaret Junthwaite (or however one spells her) 's insipid
descriptions, with Ira Siph (Y) fawning alongside.
A recent Tosca from IIRC 1971 was quite revelatory. The principals
were magnificent. The chorus, however, was abysmal (Kurt Herbert
Adler, dir.), and the orchestra not exactly something to write home
about. They _really_ needed a Jimmy Levine. The chorus, however, did
not improve until quite recent years -- I think they stole the Lyric
Opera of Chicago's chorus master.
Peter T. Daniels
Oct 9, 2012, 10:16:25 AM10/9/12
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On Oct 9, 3:16 am, M forever <ms1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 7, 12:46 pm, RVG <not.h...@themoment.invalid.org> wrote:
> > Le 07/10/2012 17:34, William Sommerwerck a crit :
>
> > > There was an SQ LP called "Organ Orgy" in which Anthony Newman played
> > > a number of "loud" pieces, including Wagner.
>
> > I wonder how Bruckner's symphonies would sound transposed back (?) for
> > the organ.
>
> Bruckner's symphonies were neither composed on nor conceived for the
> organ. They are very much conceived as orchestral music, not
> transposed organ music.
This "M forever" person has made bizarre assertions before. Maybe she
> On Oct 7, 12:46 pm, RVG <not.h...@themoment.invalid.org> wrote:
> > Le 07/10/2012 17:34, William Sommerwerck a crit :
>
> > > There was an SQ LP called "Organ Orgy" in which Anthony Newman played
> > > a number of "loud" pieces, including Wagner.
>
> > I wonder how Bruckner's symphonies would sound transposed back (?) for
> > the organ.
>
> Bruckner's symphonies were neither composed on nor conceived for the
> organ. They are very much conceived as orchestral music, not
> transposed organ music.
or he has never heard organ music.
O
Oct 9, 2012, 10:19:17 AM10/9/12
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In article <BYMcs.24298$Nu2....@newsfe16.iad>, Kip Williams
Until I hear...
snap...crackle...pop.
-Owen
<mrk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> O wrote, On 10/8/12 9:49 PM:
> > In article <m_Kcs.9028$ns4....@newsfe04.iad>, Kip Williams
> > <mrk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Peter T. Daniels wrote, On 10/8/12 11:38 AM:
> >>> On Oct 8, 9:41 am, Kip Williams <mrk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>> I'm just the messenger.
> >>>
> >>> So you're suggesting you should be shot? They'll keep that in mind for
> >>> when they do the 1812 Overture.
> >>
> >> This! is the cereal that's shot from guns!
> >> This! is the cereal that's shot from guns! ...
> >
> > Mighty guns are filled with wheat!
> > This is the cereal that's fun to eat!
>
> NO... MORE... Rice Krispies!
> We are OUT of Rice Krispies!
My tears cannot stop!
> O wrote, On 10/8/12 9:49 PM:
> > In article <m_Kcs.9028$ns4....@newsfe04.iad>, Kip Williams
> > <mrk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Peter T. Daniels wrote, On 10/8/12 11:38 AM:
> >>> On Oct 8, 9:41 am, Kip Williams <mrk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>> I'm just the messenger.
> >>>
> >>> So you're suggesting you should be shot? They'll keep that in mind for
> >>> when they do the 1812 Overture.
> >>
> >> This! is the cereal that's shot from guns!
> >> This! is the cereal that's shot from guns! ...
> >
> > Mighty guns are filled with wheat!
> > This is the cereal that's fun to eat!
>
> NO... MORE... Rice Krispies!
> We are OUT of Rice Krispies!
Until I hear...
snap...crackle...pop.
-Owen
William Sommerwerck
Oct 9, 2012, 10:36:29 AM10/9/12
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"Peter T. Daniels" <gram...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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On Oct 9, 3:16 am, M forever <ms1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 7, 12:46 pm, RVG <not.h...@themoment.invalid.org> wrote:
> > Le 07/10/2012 17:34, William Sommerwerck a crit :
> On Oct 7, 12:46 pm, RVG <not.h...@themoment.invalid.org> wrote:
> > Le 07/10/2012 17:34, William Sommerwerck a crit :
>>> I wonder how Bruckner's symphonies would sound transposed
>>> back (?) for the organ.
>> Bruckner's symphonies were neither composed on nor conceived
>> for the organ. They are very much conceived as orchestral music,
>> not transposed organ music.
> This "M forever" person has made bizarre assertions before. Maybe
> she or he has never heard organ music.
Mr Daniels, how do you feel about the last movement of Beethoven's Eighth?
>>> back (?) for the organ.
>> Bruckner's symphonies were neither composed on nor conceived
>> for the organ. They are very much conceived as orchestral music,
>> not transposed organ music.
> This "M forever" person has made bizarre assertions before. Maybe
> she or he has never heard organ music.
It wasn't written for organ, but it sure sounds like organ music.
Peter T. Daniels
Oct 9, 2012, 3:31:30 PM10/9/12
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On Oct 9, 10:36 am, "William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgee...@comcast.net>
wrote:
> "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote in messagenews:64868d98-ea6a-43e4...@x14g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
'Fraid I haven't heard 2, 4, or 8 in ages. I'll try to remember to
check it out.
One of the strains in Ravel's "Bolero" is a magnificent imitation of
an organ's clarinet stop (organ clarinet stops don't sound anything
like actual clarinets, but that's the name they have). I suspect it
was accidental?
wrote:
> "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote in messagenews:64868d98-ea6a-43e4...@x14g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
check it out.
One of the strains in Ravel's "Bolero" is a magnificent imitation of
an organ's clarinet stop (organ clarinet stops don't sound anything
like actual clarinets, but that's the name they have). I suspect it
was accidental?
Kip Williams
Oct 9, 2012, 4:53:51 PM10/9/12
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Peter T. Daniels wrote, On 10/9/12 3:31 PM:
> One of the strains in Ravel's "Bolero" is a magnificent imitation of
> an organ's clarinet stop (organ clarinet stops don't sound anything
> like actual clarinets, but that's the name they have). I suspect it
> was accidental?
Is that the one with some interval — a fifth? — playing along atop the
melody? Because that always sounded very organ-stoppy to me.
I should listen to that organ version of Bolero again.
Kip W
> One of the strains in Ravel's "Bolero" is a magnificent imitation of
> an organ's clarinet stop (organ clarinet stops don't sound anything
> like actual clarinets, but that's the name they have). I suspect it
> was accidental?
melody? Because that always sounded very organ-stoppy to me.
I should listen to that organ version of Bolero again.
Kip W
Peter T. Daniels
Oct 10, 2012, 11:48:50 PM10/10/12
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On Oct 9, 3:31 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Oct 9, 10:36 am, "William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgee...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> > "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote in messagenews:64868d98-ea6a-43e4...@x14g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
> > On Oct 9, 3:16 am, M forever <ms1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Oct 7, 12:46 pm, RVG <not.h...@themoment.invalid.org> wrote:
> > > > Le 07/10/2012 17:34, William Sommerwerck a crit :
> > >>> I wonder how Bruckner's symphonies would sound transposed
> > >>> back (?) for the organ.
> > >> Bruckner's symphonies were neither composed on nor conceived
> > >> for the organ. They are very much conceived as orchestral music,
> > >> not transposed organ music.
> > > This "M forever" person has made bizarre assertions before. Maybe
> > > she or he has never heard organ music.
>
> > Mr Daniels, how do you feel about the last movement of Beethoven's Eighth?
> > It wasn't written for organ, but it sure sounds like organ music.
>
> 'Fraid I haven't heard 2, 4, or 8 in ages. I'll try to remember to
> check it out.
As I did this evening (Roger Goodman, Hanover Band). A regular
> On Oct 9, 10:36 am, "William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgee...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> > "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote in messagenews:64868d98-ea6a-43e4...@x14g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
> > On Oct 9, 3:16 am, M forever <ms1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Oct 7, 12:46 pm, RVG <not.h...@themoment.invalid.org> wrote:
> > > > Le 07/10/2012 17:34, William Sommerwerck a crit :
> > >>> I wonder how Bruckner's symphonies would sound transposed
> > >>> back (?) for the organ.
> > >> Bruckner's symphonies were neither composed on nor conceived
> > >> for the organ. They are very much conceived as orchestral music,
> > >> not transposed organ music.
> > > This "M forever" person has made bizarre assertions before. Maybe
> > > she or he has never heard organ music.
>
> > Mr Daniels, how do you feel about the last movement of Beethoven's Eighth?
> > It wasn't written for organ, but it sure sounds like organ music.
>
> 'Fraid I haven't heard 2, 4, or 8 in ages. I'll try to remember to
> check it out.
Beethoven finale, nothing particularly organy about it, except maybe
more emphasis on the winds than usual; not block chords like Brucker,
or extra counterpoint. (The finale of Mozart's 40th might go nicely on
hte organ.)
William Sommerwerck
Oct 11, 2012, 4:54:03 AM10/11/12
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>> Mr Daniels, how do you feel about the last movement of Beethoven's
>> Eighth? It wasn't written for organ, but it sure sounds like organ music.
> A regular Beethoven finale, nothing particularly organy about it...
>> Eighth? It wasn't written for organ, but it sure sounds like organ music.
To me, it sounds like a virtuoso organ piece.
John Wiser
Oct 11, 2012, 5:17:14 AM10/11/12
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You should go into politics, Willie,
since you invariably grasp
the wrong end of the stick.
jdw
news:k561fq$361$1...@dont-email.me...
since you invariably grasp
the wrong end of the stick.
jdw
William Sommerwerck
Oct 11, 2012, 5:44:42 AM10/11/12
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"John Wiser" <cee...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Another one of your stupid ad hominem remarks. All you know is what you
know. Nothing exists outside that tiny little parochial mind.
"Wiser", indeed.
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know. Nothing exists outside that tiny little parochial mind.
"Wiser", indeed.
Peter T. Daniels
Oct 11, 2012, 7:38:40 AM10/11/12
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On Oct 11, 4:54 am, "William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgee...@comcast.net>
wrote:
In what way? How so more than any other Beethoven finale?
wrote:
Kip Williams
Oct 11, 2012, 12:12:33 PM10/11/12
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Peter T. Daniels wrote, On 10/10/12 11:48 PM:
(four hands, four feet).
Kip W
> (The finale of Mozart's 40th might go nicely on
> hte organ.)
Try Jordi Vergés and Fabio Ciofini. They recorded the symphony as a duet
> hte organ.)
(four hands, four feet).
Kip W
William Sommerwerck
Oct 11, 2012, 1:09:05 PM10/11/12
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>>>> Mr Daniels, how do you feel about the last movement of Beethoven's
>>>> Eighth? It wasn't written for organ, but it sure sounds like organ
music.
>>> A regular Beethoven finale, nothing particularly organy about it...
>> To me, it sounds like a virtuoso organ piece.
> In what way? How so more than any other Beethoven finale?
This is very subjective. If we could listen together, I could explain it
>>>> Eighth? It wasn't written for organ, but it sure sounds like organ
music.
>>> A regular Beethoven finale, nothing particularly organy about it...
>> To me, it sounds like a virtuoso organ piece.
> In what way? How so more than any other Beethoven finale?
more easily.
One thing that sounds virtuoso-organy is the way Beethoven treats groups of
instruments as if they were clusters of stops. (I can't explain it better
than that.) And then there's the end...
"doodle-oot... doodle-oot... doodle-oot... wham!" It's as if "all the stops"
have been abruptly pulled out.
You don't have to agree. I was just expressing my reaction.
Peter T. Daniels
Oct 11, 2012, 1:31:28 PM10/11/12
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On Oct 11, 1:09 pm, "William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgee...@comcast.net>
wrote:
period? The instruments were used in choirs! (This summer the
Washington Square Music Festival played a rarely heard Divertimento of
Mozart's -- a fairly early one, which I suspect related to his visit
to Italy -- in which not only sections of movements, but entire
movements were scored for only the strings, only the woodwinds, or
only the brass, and they were used in contrasting choirs. It's
probably rarely heard becajse chamber ensembles might not have the
luxury of, or budget for, so many players at once.)
> "doodle-oot... doodle-oot... doodle-oot... wham!" It's as if "all the stops"
> have been abruptly pulled out.
But organists don't do that -- if they're aiming for a big climax,
they _gradually_ add stops. (And in Beethoven's day there were no
mechanical aids, i.e. modern-day pistons, so they _couldn't_ do that:
the most stops you could add at once would be two (one with each hand,
but then the tone would stop while you were doing it), or 2x as many
assistants as were standing by.
> You don't have to agree. I was just expressing my reaction.
Fine -- so long as you recognize that the other finales are handled
similarly.
wrote:
> >>>> Mr Daniels, how do you feel about the last movement of Beethoven's
> >>>> Eighth? It wasn't written for organ, but it sure sounds like organ
>
> music.
>
> >>> A regular Beethoven finale, nothing particularly organy about it...
> >> To me, it sounds like a virtuoso organ piece.
> > In what way? How so more than any other Beethoven finale?
>
> This is very subjective. If we could listen together, I could explain it
> more easily.
>
> One thing that sounds virtuoso-organy is the way Beethoven treats groups of
> instruments as if they were clusters of stops. (I can't explain it better
> than that.) And then there's the end...
But how is that different from any other orchestral work of the
> >>>> Eighth? It wasn't written for organ, but it sure sounds like organ
>
> music.
>
> >>> A regular Beethoven finale, nothing particularly organy about it...
> >> To me, it sounds like a virtuoso organ piece.
> > In what way? How so more than any other Beethoven finale?
>
> This is very subjective. If we could listen together, I could explain it
> more easily.
>
> One thing that sounds virtuoso-organy is the way Beethoven treats groups of
> instruments as if they were clusters of stops. (I can't explain it better
> than that.) And then there's the end...
period? The instruments were used in choirs! (This summer the
Washington Square Music Festival played a rarely heard Divertimento of
Mozart's -- a fairly early one, which I suspect related to his visit
to Italy -- in which not only sections of movements, but entire
movements were scored for only the strings, only the woodwinds, or
only the brass, and they were used in contrasting choirs. It's
probably rarely heard becajse chamber ensembles might not have the
luxury of, or budget for, so many players at once.)
> "doodle-oot... doodle-oot... doodle-oot... wham!" It's as if "all the stops"
> have been abruptly pulled out.
they _gradually_ add stops. (And in Beethoven's day there were no
mechanical aids, i.e. modern-day pistons, so they _couldn't_ do that:
the most stops you could add at once would be two (one with each hand,
but then the tone would stop while you were doing it), or 2x as many
assistants as were standing by.
> You don't have to agree. I was just expressing my reaction.
similarly.
Peter T. Daniels
Oct 11, 2012, 1:37:40 PM10/11/12
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On Oct 11, 12:12 pm, Kip Williams <mrk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Peter T. Daniels wrote, On 10/10/12 11:48 PM:
>
> > (The finale of Mozart's 40th might go nicely on
> > hte organ.)
>
> Try Jordi Verg s and Fabio Ciofini. They recorded the symphony as a duet
> Peter T. Daniels wrote, On 10/10/12 11:48 PM:
>
> > (The finale of Mozart's 40th might go nicely on
> > hte organ.)
>
> (four hands, four feet).
One console?
--There's a delightful recording of Marie-Claire Alain and three of
her closest friends playing the Bach multi-harpsichord concertos on up
to four organs (with orchestra).
--And an absolutely delightful Cochereau LP on Philips of the Bach
"organ concertos" (the arrangements of Vivaldi, etc.) turned into
concertos for organ and orchestra -- really the only way to make that
super-simplistic stuff bearable -- which I'm virtually certain was
never transferred to CD because his student and apparently musical
executor the English organist whose name begins wtih F that I can't
remember -- he's done complete sets of Vierne and Dupre but on a
poorly distributed label -- had never heard of it when I spoke to him
after his Trinity Church recital (which included a transcription of a
Cochereau improvisation, which would seem to defeat the purpose of
improvisation).
Kip Williams
Oct 11, 2012, 4:53:41 PM10/11/12
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Peter T. Daniels wrote, On 10/11/12 1:37 PM:
It's not conclusive, but usually if they're on more than one organ, they
brag about it. More for the money!
Kip W
> On Oct 11, 12:12 pm, Kip Williams<mrk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >Peter T. Daniels wrote, On 10/10/12 11:48 PM:
>> >
>>> > >(The finale of Mozart's 40th might go nicely on
>>> > >hte organ.)
>> >
>> >Try Jordi Verg s and Fabio Ciofini. They recorded the symphony as a duet
>> >(four hands, four feet).
> One console?
Looks like. The cover says it's played on a particular organ (singular).
>> >Peter T. Daniels wrote, On 10/10/12 11:48 PM:
>> >
>>> > >(The finale of Mozart's 40th might go nicely on
>>> > >hte organ.)
>> >
>> >Try Jordi Verg s and Fabio Ciofini. They recorded the symphony as a duet
>> >(four hands, four feet).
> One console?
It's not conclusive, but usually if they're on more than one organ, they
brag about it. More for the money!
Kip W
Kip Williams
Oct 11, 2012, 5:13:36 PM10/11/12
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Peter T. Daniels wrote, On 10/11/12 1:37 PM:
I got to see her playing on the pipe organ at Colorado State University
many years back. I don't really have anything else to say, but I don't
often have much to brag about here, in terms of who I've seen playing,
so there it is. I still remember her holding the bench with both hands
while she played an impressive pedal passage.
Kip W
> --There's a delightful recording of Marie-Claire Alain and three of
> her closest friends playing the Bach multi-harpsichord concertos on up
> to four organs (with orchestra).
Sounds like goood candy.
> her closest friends playing the Bach multi-harpsichord concertos on up
> to four organs (with orchestra).
I got to see her playing on the pipe organ at Colorado State University
many years back. I don't really have anything else to say, but I don't
often have much to brag about here, in terms of who I've seen playing,
so there it is. I still remember her holding the bench with both hands
while she played an impressive pedal passage.
Kip W
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