Re: Interesting CDs
Gerard
> New poster here. But I thought this subject would be of particular
> interest to this newsgroup.
>
> I'm a guitarist, and from time to time I browse through Amazon.com to
> see if there are any new guitar recordings worth hearing. I stumbled
> across a guitar recording I hadn't heard before. Listening to the
> audio sample, I noticed something odd. So I listened to other samples
> and found the same odd quality.
Which odd quality?
>
> Noticing this CD was released by "Music Studio - Classical," I did a
> Google search and found this web site: http://www.musicstudios.cc/
==> Page not found.
Matthew B. Tepper
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a2069b...@w4g2000vbh.googlegroups.com:
[snip]
> Noticing this CD was released by "Music Studio - Classical," I did a
> Google search and found
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
Sure you did! You "found" it! Right!
> this web site: http://www.musicstudios.cc/
Even more interesting is what I see when I check at GoDaddy.com:
Matthew B., musicstudios.cc is available! Just $19.99/yr
Needless to say, I am *not* going to click on your link, at least not until
I get home and fire up the computer running Linux.
You set off so many "beware" alarms I don't have the time to list them all.
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Opinions expressed here are not necessarily those of my employers
david gideon
Matthew B. Tepper <oyþ@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Matthew B., musicstudios.cc is available! Just $19.99/yr
Actually he just input the wrong link. It should be:
http://www.musicstudio.cc/home.html
It seems to be a real label, with a lot of instrumental (violin,
guitar) recordings. Also available via downloads. The referenced 'Four
Seasons' is by Jaime Mansilla, a Chilean violinist who now lives in
Miami (according to his myspace page).
I didn't hear anything 'odd' about the samples, but that's just me.
dg
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Matthew B. Tepper
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davidD...@rediscovery.us:
> In article <Xns9DF98103D4E...@216.168.3.70>,
> Matthew B. Tepper <oyþ@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> Matthew B., musicstudios.cc is available! Just $19.99/yr
>
> Actually he just input the wrong link. It should be:
>
> http://[snip]
>
> It seems to be a real label, with a lot of instrumental (violin,
> guitar) recordings. Also available via downloads. The referenced 'Four
> Seasons' is by Jaime Mansilla, a Chilean violinist who now lives in
> Miami (according to his myspace page).
>
> I didn't hear anything 'odd' about the samples, but that's just me.
There's nothing "odd" about the samples -- his saying so is just an
inducement to visit this site that he supposedly "found." At least when
you have recordings for sale, you make it clear that you are advertising,
without cloaking it in a specious claim that you found something "odd" on a
site that you "found." And that is because you are honest about it.
--
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Read about "Proty" here: http://home.earthlink.net/~oy/proty.html
To write to me, do for my address what Androcles did for the lion
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Gerard
> david gideon <davidD...@rediscovery.us> appears to have caused the
> following letters to be typed in news:200920101650358435%
> davidD...@rediscovery.us:
>
> > In article <Xns9DF98103D4E...@216.168.3.70>,
> >
> > > Matthew B., musicstudios.cc is available! Just $19.99/yr
> >
> > Actually he just input the wrong link. It should be:
> >
> > http://[snip]
Why 'snipped'?
> >
> > It seems to be a real label, with a lot of instrumental (violin,
> > guitar) recordings. Also available via downloads. The referenced
> > 'Four Seasons' is by Jaime Mansilla, a Chilean violinist who now
> > lives in Miami (according to his myspace page).
> >
> > I didn't hear anything 'odd' about the samples, but that's just me.
>
> There's nothing "odd" about the samples
How do you know?
> -- his saying so is just an
> inducement to visit this site that he supposedly "found." At least
> when you have recordings for sale, you make it clear that you are
> advertising, without cloaking it in a specious claim that you found
> something "odd" on a site that you "found." And that is because you
> are honest about it.
So why giving it so much attention?
augusti...@yahoo.com
Mr. Gideon's post is correct.
I'm surprised that no one has caught on, so I'll be more explicit.
Click on the link provided by Mr. Gideon. Then click on "CATALOG."
Then click on "Romantic." There you'll find two guitar CDs. I can tell
you that the audio samples for both these guitar CDs are computer
generated soundfiles. They are not recordings of real flesh-and-blood
guitarists. It isn't the least bit subtle. Any competent classical
guitarist will tell you that these are fake performances.
I'll leave it to you to decide whether the other recordings offered by
this site are what they profess to be.
Tom Poore
South Euclid, OH
USA
Matthew B. Tepper
typed in news:2fdfcf63-e86a-4c37-b8a6-aa239bf9a8d0
@e20g2000vbn.googlegroups.com:
So are you saying that the site is *not* your own, and that your post was
not advertising? If I have completely misread things, I'm sorry, but it
sure looked that way to me.
--
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Read about "Proty" here: http://home.earthlink.net/~oy/proty.html
To write to me, do for my address what Androcles did for the lion
Eric Grunin
> augustinere...@yahoo.com appears to have caused the following letters to be
> typed in news:2fdfcf63-e86a-4c37-b8a6-aa239bf9a8d0
> @e20g2000vbn.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
>
>
> > First, David Gideon is correct, I did mess up the link. The link in
> > Mr. Gideon's post is correct.
>
> > I'm surprised that no one has caught on, so I'll be more explicit.
> > Click on the link provided by Mr. Gideon. Then click on "CATALOG."
> > Then click on "Romantic." There you'll find two guitar CDs. I can tell
> > you that the audio samples for both these guitar CDs are computer
> > generated soundfiles. They are not recordings of real flesh-and-blood
> > guitarists. It isn't the least bit subtle. Any competent classical
> > guitarist will tell you that these are fake performances.
>
> > I'll leave it to you to decide whether the other recordings offered by
> > this site are what they profess to be.
>
> > Tom Poore
> > South Euclid, OH
> > USA
>
> So are you saying that the site is *not* your own, and that your post was
> not advertising? If I have completely misread things, I'm sorry, but it
> sure looked that way to me.
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get
you...but that's the way to bet.
Regards,
Eric Grunin
www.grunin.com/eroica
Bob Lombard
"Eric Grunin" <eric....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get
you...but that's the way to bet.
Yes. If you think they are out to get you though, precautions need to stop
somewhere short of permanent residence in your castle though - otherwise
where's the benefit?
bl
Eric Grunin
wrote:
> "Eric Grunin" <eric.gru...@gmail.com> wrote in message
I think you read the opposite of what I wrote: in other words, if you
*know* you're paranoid, give the other guy the benefit of the doubt.
I was (poorly) paraphrasing a quip popularized by Damon Runyon:
"The race is not alwys to the swift nor the battle to the strong—but
that’s the way to bet."
And just to be complete, a history of that phrase is here:
Regards,
Eric Grunin
www.grunin.com/eroica
Bob Lombard
On Sep 21, 4:13 pm, "Bob Lombard" <thorsteinnos...@vermontel.net>
wrote:
> "Eric Grunin" <eric.gru...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:749ca0c1-2c8c-4066...@n7g2000vbo.googlegroups.com...
>
> Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get
> you...but that's the way to bet.
>
> Yes. If you think they are out to get you though, precautions need to stop
> where's the benefit?
I think you read the opposite of what I wrote: in other words, if you
*know* you're paranoid, give the other guy the benefit of the doubt.
I decided that what you wrote was 50-50 equivocal, and picked one. Going the
other way, if you are aware of paranoia you are necessarily cognoscenti that
a set of danger signals aren't working correctly. Then you must decide which
way to lean whenever an ambiguous situation arises. The desire to survive
points in the same direction as the unrecognized paranoia did.
bl
augusti...@yahoo.com
> So are you saying that the site is *not* your own, and that your post was
> not advertising? If I have completely misread things, I'm sorry, but it
> sure looked that way to me.
Well, it didn't help that the link in my original post got screwed up.
(In fact, I immediately deleted the post when I realized this, but
apparently some responded before I deleted it.) Also I'm not a regular
here. So I understand your initial reaction.
To answer your question, no, the web site I'm referring to isn't mine.
In my opinion, almost every CD on this site is a fake recording.
Certainly the guitar CDs I mentioned earlier are fake. I was hoping
that others with a bit more expertise might offer an opinion. It
bothers me that these recordings are being sold on so many different
online sites. I don't mind that the recordings are fake, but I do mind
that they're being falsely advertised.
Again, here's a link to the site catalog:
http://www.musicstudio.cc/photos.html
I invite others to listen to some of the sound samples and decide
whether my suspicion is valid.
Kip Williams
> Well, it didn't help that the link in my original post got screwed up.
> (In fact, I immediately deleted the post when I realized this, but
> apparently some responded before I deleted it.) Also I'm not a regular
> here. So I understand your initial reaction.
A large number of us see this newsgroup on its native Usenet, where the
cancel command hasn't worked in years. In terms of effectiveness, a
follow-up message accomplishes more. (Considering the asynchronous
nature of it all, the follow-up might appear to many of us before the
original message.)
Kip W
Matthew B. Tepper
Thank you for the full explanation, and please accept my apology for
jumping to the entirely wrong conclusion.
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Gerard
>
> Well, it didn't help that the link in my original post got screwed up.
> (In fact, I immediately deleted the post when I realized this, but
> apparently some responded before I deleted it.)
This is a usenet newsgroup. So deleting a post is impossible as soon as a post
has reached news servers.
augusti...@yahoo.com
> Thank you for the full explanation, and please accept my apology for
> jumping to the entirely wrong conclusion.
Actually, considering the intent of my original post, I enjoyed the
irony.
Steve de Mena
Gerard
Did it ever work?
Did you ever see it working that way?
Kip Williams
This seems to indicate that it worked sometimes in 1983.
Kip W
Robert Marshall
I'm sure I remember successfully cancelling an article in the late 80's/
early 90's but things were a little slower then (or I've aged :-))
Robert
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Kip Williams
> On Wed, 22 Sep 2010, Kip Williams wrote:
>
>>
>> Steve de Mena wrote:
>>> On 9/22/10 1:00 AM, Gerard wrote:
>>>> augusti...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, it didn't help that the link in my original post got screwed
>>>>> up. (In fact, I immediately deleted the post when I realized this,
>>>>> but apparently some responded before I deleted it.)
>>>>
>>>> This is a usenet newsgroup. So deleting a post is impossible as soon
>>>> as a post has reached news servers.
>>>
>>> http://www.livinginternet.com/u/ua_cancel.htm
>>
>> This seems to indicate that it worked sometimes in 1983.
>>
> I'm sure I remember successfully cancelling an article in the late 80's/
> early 90's but things were a little slower then (or I've aged :-))
I tried once around 1999. It didn't work.
Kip W
augusti...@yahoo.com
from the site I referenced.
Here, for example, is a harp CD:
http://www.musicstudio.cc/music-group-353.html
...and here's a piano CD:
http://www.musicstudio.cc/music-group-368.html
..and here's a guitar CD:
http://www.musicstudio.cc/music-group-379.html
For the guitar CD at least, there's no question that this is a fake
recording. The other two sound suspiciously like the sound one can
generate from the Finale notational software.
Opinions?
Bob Lombard
news:c982352c-0244-4874...@l17g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
The guitar music does sound unlikely. Much of the 'string noise' doesn't
even make sense, aside from being annoying, and I expect more change in
character from different strings.
The piano music works better; a lot of folks play the wtc with undeviating
rhythm and minimal dynamic variation - that maybe influenced by the
harpsichord. I don't recognize the piano, based on the lower registers I
heard.
I didn't listen to the harp; don't have much listening experience with them.
Maybe someone else, like our famous M, will chime in now.
bl
Allen
> On Wed, 22 Sep 2010, Kip Williams wrote:
>
>> Steve de Mena wrote:
>>> On 9/22/10 1:00 AM, Gerard wrote:
>>>> augusti...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Well, it didn't help that the link in my original post got screwed
>>>>> up. (In fact, I immediately deleted the post when I realized this,
>>>>> but apparently some responded before I deleted it.)
>>>> This is a usenet newsgroup. So deleting a post is impossible as soon
>>>> as a post has reached news servers.
>>> http://www.livinginternet.com/u/ua_cancel.htm
>> This seems to indicate that it worked sometimes in 1983.
>>
>>
> I'm sure I remember successfully cancelling an article in the late 80's/
> early 90's but things were a little slower then (or I've aged :-))
>
> Robert
after I hit Send. And you've aged in only 20 years? Wait a few more
(perhaps to 81)and you will be very sure that you've aged.
Allen
Gerard
Sure.
What happened to the participant who claimed to be 98 years?
He must be over 100 now, I suppose.
GP49
The plucks sound too much the same, no differentiation among them,
rather like a harpsichord in that respect.
Norman Schwartz
"Gerard" <g_nospam_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Sure.
> What happened to the participant who claimed to be 98 years?
> He must be over 100 now, I suppose.
>
I'm pretty sure some 'members' here in RMCR replied to his many posts, maybe
even some having had private e-mail correspondence with him, all of course
believing him a genuine article. I didn't buy into his act and seem to
remember having said so here, (something like that famous "2000 Year Old
Man"). Didn't his act sort of blow up in their faces after he had his weird
sense of fun with them? IIRC you yourself engaged in private e-mails with
one of the several 'Johns' here and you loudly proclaimed him to be the real
deal until his act similarly blew up in your face. Please correct me if I
err as I still want to learn. I find the posers, such as Mr. Tepper's
"Proty", http://home.earthlink.net/~oy/proty.html, to be entertaining.
>
>
>
Matthew B. Tepper
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I admit, "Proty"'s fake persona were mildly amusing, but when the person
behind them began attempting blackmail-on-spec, he revealed himself as a
douchebag supreme. I will blow the whistle loudly if I ever recognizing
him sneaking back here again.
Meanwhile, I've been blocking various trolls with phony Scandinavian names
who have been emailing me lately. Into Earthlink's Spamblocker they go!
Apologies in advance to any *real* Scandinavians who actually want to send
friendly communications to me instead of insults.
--
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Read about "Proty" here: http://home.earthlink.net/~oy/proty.html
To write to me, do for my address what Androcles did for the lion
Gerard
> "Gerard" <g_nospam_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:5f1e6$4c9b77c3$5ed13b3d$28...@cache1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl...
>
> >
> > Sure.
> > What happened to the participant who claimed to be 98 years?
> > He must be over 100 now, I suppose.
> >
> I'm pretty sure some 'members' here in RMCR replied to his many
> posts, maybe even some having had private e-mail correspondence with
> him, all of course believing him a genuine article. I didn't buy into
> his act and seem to remember having said so here, (something like
> that famous "2000 Year Old Man").
Could you find this in the archives?
> Didn't his act sort of blow up in
> their faces after he had his weird sense of fun with them? IIRC you
> yourself engaged in private e-mails with one of the several 'Johns'
> here and you loudly proclaimed him to be the real deal until his act
> similarly blew up in your face. Please correct me if I err as I still
> want to learn.
I don't think I'm going to do all the correction work needed here - it's too
much.
> I find the posers, such as Mr. Tepper's "Proty",
> http://home.earthlink.net/~oy/proty.html, to be entertaining.
Maybe it was, during a few seconds.
Gerard
>
> Meanwhile, I've been blocking various trolls with phony Scandinavian
> names who have been emailing me lately. Into Earthlink's Spamblocker
> they go! Apologies in advance to any *real* Scandinavians who
> actually want to send friendly communications to me instead of
> insults.
So you are an "insult generator" yourself.
Norman Schwartz
"Matthew B. Tepper" <oy兀earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9DFC6597291...@216.168.3.70...
You do know that one can buy a phony IP address number?, so that in itself
is meaningless.
Norman Schwartz
> Norman Schwartz wrote:
>> "Gerard" <g_nospam_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:5f1e6$4c9b77c3$5ed13b3d$28...@cache1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl...
>>
>> >
>> > Sure.
>> > What happened to the participant who claimed to be 98 years?
>> > He must be over 100 now, I suppose.
>> >
>> I'm pretty sure some 'members' here in RMCR replied to his many
>> posts, maybe even some having had private e-mail correspondence with
>> him, all of course believing him a genuine article. I didn't buy into
>> his act and seem to remember having said so here, (something like
>> that famous "2000 Year Old Man").
>
> Could you find this in the archives?
>
I'll look for it when I have enough time on my hands, (and of course some
entries didn't permit themselves to be archived).
Norman Schwartz
> behind them began attempting blackmail-on-spec,
Maybe I should be embarrassed to admit I've lead such a 'dull' and ordinary
life that I've got nothing to be blackmailed over.
So when a Proty wants fun at testing his/her skill at pulling the wool over
my eyes it's also fun for me.
Matthew B. Tepper
> "Matthew B. Tepper" <oy兀earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:Xns9DFC6597291...@216.168.3.70...
> > I admit, "Proty"'s fake persona were mildly amusing, but when the
> > person behind them began attempting blackmail-on-spec,
>
> Maybe I should be embarrassed to admit I've lead such a 'dull' and
> ordinary life that I've got nothing to be blackmailed over.
And neither have I, which was the point. The fool probably assumed that
everybody has some crimes to hide, a loudmouth such as myself more than
most. He was dead wrong, and I blew the whistle on the toad immediately.
Read my page about "Proty," referenced in my sig below.
His subsequent posts here, claiming "No, it wasn't me, it was some other
guy using my account, yeah, uh-huh, that's what happened" read like BS and
are certainly BS.
> So when a Proty wants fun at testing his/her skill at pulling the wool
> over my eyes it's also fun for me.
Well, you forget that there are some of us who don't suffer fools gladly.
--
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Read about "Proty" here: http://home.earthlink.net/~oy/proty.html
To write to me, do for my address what Androcles did for the lion
***** War is Peace **** Freedom is Slavery **** Fox is News *****
Anna Bergqvist
> On Sep 23, 5:59 pm, "Matthew B. Tepper" <oyþ@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Meanwhile, I've been blocking various trolls with phony Scandinavian names
> > who have been emailing me lately. Into Earthlink's Spamblocker they go!
> > Apologies in advance to any *real* Scandinavians who actually want to send
> > friendly communications to me instead of insults.
>
> isn't "phony". I don't know who else from Scandinavia has written you
> to, but I promise you it was *not* me. I have written to Mr. Schwartz,
> and I asked him if he would pass on my email to you. If you are
> blocking emails from Scandinavia, there is no point in writing to you
> directly. If you want to email me and ask me something, then please
> feel free to do so. It's easier that way (for me, anyway) than
> following posts in this group all evening, Apart from that, I said I
> wouldn't post anything until sometime in the future when I know more
> about classical music, and I won't. Maybe in 4 or 5 years, but not
> yet. Anyway, I'm going now. I'm tired and I need some sleep. See you
> in 5 years - perhaps.
This is the ONLY email I have sent to Matthew B. Tepper. I sent it on
19th September. If he thinks it is an insult, then I am deeply and
truly sorry.
_____________________________________
Dear Mr. Tepper,
Am I being maybe just a little paranoid, or don't you like me very
much? I don't expect everyone to reply to a question I ask or to
something I say at rmcr, but I think maybe you are avoiding me, yes? I
thought it might be because I said I think killfiles are rather silly,
but I wasn't attacking you personally. On the other hand, maybe it's
because Mr. Schwartz and I had a disagreement a few weeks ago, and
perhaps you think I was rude to him. Maybe I was, but Mr. Schwartz and
I have settled our differences and he wrote a very kind email to me.
I don't like to fight with anyone about anything. I hoped I could
learn something at rmcr and improve my English at the same time. I
didn't go there to make enemies and I don't dislike you in any way at
all.
Bästa hälsningar,
Anna Bergqvist
_______________________
Good night.
Oscar Williamson
>
> This is the ONLY email I have sent to Matthew B. Tepper. I sent it on
> 19th September. If he thinks it is an insult, then I am deeply and
> truly sorry.
>
> _____________________________________
>
> Dear Mr. Tepper,
>
> Am I being maybe just a little paranoid, or don't you like me very
> much? I don't expect everyone to reply to a question I ask or to
> something I say at rmcr, but I think maybe you are avoiding me, yes? I
> thought it might be because I said I think killfiles are rather silly,
Paranoid and evasive. And immature. And grandiose.
Oscar Williamson
Gerard
And it is obvious why it is an insult to Tepper.
Norman Schwartz
> Norman Schwartz wrote:
>> "Gerard" <g_nospam_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:5f1e6$4c9b77c3$5ed13b3d$28...@cache1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl...
>>
>> >
>> > Sure.
>> > What happened to the participant who claimed to be 98 years?
>> > He must be over 100 now, I suppose.
>> >
>> I'm pretty sure some 'members' here in RMCR replied to his many
>> posts, maybe even some having had private e-mail correspondence with
>> him, all of course believing him a genuine article. I didn't buy into
>> his act and seem to remember having said so here, (something like
>> that famous "2000 Year Old Man").
>
> Could you find this in the archives?
>
Evidently I confused the "99 year old man" with "John Bryant", nonetheless
both Protys. The fact remains that you were taken by one of the "Protys".
Gerard
> "Gerard" <g_nospam_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:73f04$4c9b87a0$5ed13b3d$13...@cache2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl...
> > Norman Schwartz wrote:
> > > "Gerard" <g_nospam_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:5f1e6$4c9b77c3$5ed13b3d$28...@cache1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl...
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Sure.
> > > > What happened to the participant who claimed to be 98 years?
> > > > He must be over 100 now, I suppose.
> > > >
> > > I'm pretty sure some 'members' here in RMCR replied to his many
> > > posts, maybe even some having had private e-mail correspondence
> > > with him, all of course believing him a genuine article. I didn't
> > > buy into his act and seem to remember having said so here,
> > > (something like that famous "2000 Year Old Man").
> >
> > Could you find this in the archives?
> >
>
> Evidently I confused the "99 year old man" with "John Bryant",
> nonetheless both Protys. The fact remains that you were taken by one
> of the "Protys".
>
You call that "taken"?
I delivered a message. See the reactions by others.
BTW there are no "protys".
Norman Schwartz
I saw those, all based upon the 'facts' you presented: "A few hours ago I
got a message from Japan, where John was visiting relatives, that he has
passed away this morning, unexpectedly."
Wasn't it concluded that JB never existed? (Or maybe I need search the
archives again.) You took stock in a message about
a Proty who "passed away unexpectedly". HA HA HA HA. After he passed away
his family sent you a message, LOL.
Gerard
> Gerard wrote:
> > Norman Schwartz wrote:
> > > "Gerard" <g_nospam_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:73f04$4c9b87a0$5ed13b3d$13...@cache2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl...
> > > > Norman Schwartz wrote:
> > > > > "Gerard" <g_nospam_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:5f1e6$4c9b77c3$5ed13b3d$28...@cache1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl...
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sure.
> > > > > > What happened to the participant who claimed to be 98 years?
> > > > > > He must be over 100 now, I suppose.
> > > > > >
> > > > > I'm pretty sure some 'members' here in RMCR replied to his
> > > > > many posts, maybe even some having had private e-mail
> > > > > correspondence with him, all of course believing him a
> > > > > genuine article. I didn't buy into his act and seem to
> > > > > remember having said so here, (something like that famous
> > > > > "2000 Year Old Man").
> > > >
> > > > Could you find this in the archives?
> > > >
> > >
> > > Evidently I confused the "99 year old man" with "John Bryant",
> > > nonetheless both Protys. The fact remains that you were taken by
> > > one of the "Protys".
> > >
> >
> > You call that "taken"?
> > I delivered a message. See the reactions by others.
>
> I saw those, all based upon the 'facts' you presented:
Based on the posts people had enjoyed.
You didn't see that?
Norman Schwartz
Sure, just like our tympanist friend here (who even attended the funeral
service of Joyce Hatto) whose posts here were thoroughly enjoyed by many,
and another "John" who was here posting from the Isle on Man, no less, and
when challenged continuously claimed to be the real deal. He similarly
diasppeared suddenly. In my system of classification all three are Protys;
individuals who pretend to be something which they are not in order to claim
the attention of readers are Protys AFAIAC.
Gerard
All of them much more agreeable persons to have conversations with about
recordings of classical music than most "real people" here.
Matthew B. Tepper
> Evidently I confused the "99 year old man" with "John Bryant",
> nonetheless both Protys. The fact remains that you were taken by one of
> the "Protys".
As was I, and as were several others. If Proty hadn't done the die-and-come-
back-under-another-name schtick, it would have been a harmless and forgivable
prank. Doing that schtick once (as "John Bryant") went over the edge because
it was playing on people's feelings. Doing it a second time ("Alf Meier"),
however, was unacceptable. I don't recall what ended the tenure of "Amanda
Jarrett," and I killfiled "John Tatlow/Trafford/Thorneycroft" long ago.
That is one sick individual.
--
Matthew B. Tepper: WWW, science fiction, classical music, ducks!
Read about "Proty" here: http://home.earthlink.net/~oy/proty.html
To write to me, do for my address what Androcles did for the lion
Matthew B. Tepper
Except inasmuch as he was a (probably) unwitting enabler for the fraudulent
offerings of William Barrington-Crook, "Watkins" was generally benign,
though I vaguely recall he was less than gracious when he was called on it.
(Which reminds me -- has ANY legal action EVER been taken against WB-C, or
did his "Worrity, worrity, I'm just a poor old widower who loved his wife"
routine have the expected effect of making the authorities feel sorry for
him?)
(The biggest WB-C enabler in this newsgroup, of course, was Tom Deacon.)
Norman Schwartz
Their 'agreeableness' could well be fake, just like all the rest of the
parts relating to them. Did Alan M.Watkins ever hold a tympanist's position
in an orchestra?, yet he was "agreeable" in conversations about the details
of his performances and recordings with them. Did AMW really attend Joyce
Hatto's funeral service?, he presented interesting details about it here.
Pathological liars can say nothing which really interests me.
Alan Cooper
news:4c9cdd1d$0$20164$607e...@cv.net:
> Their 'agreeableness' could well be fake, just like all the rest
> of the parts relating to them. Did Alan M.Watkins ever hold a
> tympanist's position in an orchestra?, yet he was "agreeable" in
> conversations about the details of his performances and
> recordings with them. Did AMW really attend Joyce Hatto's
> funeral service?, he presented interesting details about it
> here. Pathological liars can say nothing which really interests
> me.
Yes, the Watkins persona was bogus *except* that the fabricator had
considerable knowledge of Czech music and recordings that couldn't have been
faked. "Watkins" ran himself aground with all the bunkum about his so-called
career. I still recall the posting that raised the red flag for me, and I
suppose that others had a similar experience.
AC
O
Tepper <oy兀earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> > Sure, just like our tympanist friend here (who even attended the funeral
> > service of Joyce Hatto) whose posts here were thoroughly enjoyed by many,
> > and another "John" who was here posting from the Isle on Man, no less,
> > and when challenged continuously claimed to be the real deal. He
> > similarly diasppeared suddenly. In my system of classification all three
> > are Protys; individuals who pretend to be something which they are not
> > in order to claim the attention of readers are Protys AFAIAC.
>
> Except inasmuch as he was a (probably) unwitting enabler for the fraudulent
> offerings of William Barrington-Crook, "Watkins" was generally benign,
> though I vaguely recall he was less than gracious when he was called on it.
> (Which reminds me -- has ANY legal action EVER been taken against WB-C, or
> did his "Worrity, worrity, I'm just a poor old widower who loved his wife"
> routine have the expected effect of making the authorities feel sorry for
> him?)
I still think there's a good chance that Watkins is WBC. Has anyone
ever seen them together? :-)
-Owen
laraine
> "Norman Schwartz" <n...@optonline.net> appears to have caused the> > "Gerard" <g_nospam_hendrik...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
Well, that proty stuff does sound awful, but
one IP locator did say Bergqvist was
posting from Sweden, a trace said
bredband, which apparently means
broadband in some Scand. language.
(A third one had her in quite a
different part of the world, which
happens occasionally, don't know
why.)
C.
Anna Bergqvist
> Well, that proty stuff does sound awful, but
> one IP locator did say Bergqvist was
> posting from Sweden,
Bergqvist was and is posting from Solna, Sweden. I don't know where
proty posted from and I don't care.
a trace said
> bredband, which apparently means
> broadband in some Scand. language.
Bredband is Swedish for broadband.
> (A third one had her in quite a
> different part of the world, which
> happens occasionally, don't know
> why.)
>
> C
I don't know either.
Matthew B. Tepper
to be typed in
news:d6ecd924-da9c-4531...@j19g2000vbh.googlegroups.com:
> Well, that proty stuff does sound awful, but one IP locator did say
> Bergqvist was posting from Sweden, a trace said bredband, which
> apparently means broadband in some Scand. language.
>
> (A third one had her in quite a different part of the world, which
> happens occasionally, don't know why.)
Bergquist went into my killfile when it revealed itself to be what I call
an "insult generator." Where it actually lives is of no concern to me.
Gerard
> laraine <lara...@gmail.com> appears to have caused the following
> letters to be typed in
> news:d6ecd924-da9c-4531...@j19g2000vbh.googlegroups.com:
>
Meaning that you are in your own killfile, doesn't it?
Anna Bergqvist
> Bergquist went into my killfile when it revealed itself to be what I call
> an "insult generator." Where it actually lives is of no concern to me.
"It" is a 'she'. I am a human being, not an object. And you spelled my
name wrongly.
I was taught to respect my elders, but people like you make it very
difficult for me. Am I an "insult generator" because I think killfiles
are stupid? You are disgusting.
Anna Bergqvist
Yes I do. My family and I were in Portugal for a short time.
"Different part of the world" sounds like somewhere really far away,
like Fiji or New Zealand.
CharlesSmith
He is indeed.
Charles
Anna Bergqvist
*It* is indeed:)
Ray Hall
I concur fully with what you say. Don't worry your head over the Teppers
of this world. Most just ignore the pompous twit.
;)
Ray Hall, Taree
Anna Bergqvist
>
> >> Bergquist went into my killfile when it revealed itself to be what I call
> >> an "insult generator." Where it actually lives is of no concern to me.
>
> > "It" is a 'she'. I am a human being, not an object. And you spelled my
> > name wrongly.
>
> > I was taught to respect my elders, but people like you make it very
> > difficult for me. Am I an "insult generator" because I think killfiles
> > are stupid? You are disgusting.
>
> I concur fully with what you say. Don't worry your head over the Teppers
> of this world. Most just ignore the pompous twit.
> ;)
>
> Ray Hall, Taree
LOL! "Pompous twit" sounds quite funny! I'm not going to worry about
him (or *it*), and thank you for your advice.
laraine
I think it was just a mistake--possibly the
database they had didn't have the correct
information in it.
(I try not to take data--or people--on the
internet too seriously.)
C.
laraine
I should add, Ms. Bergquist, if you're
only 14 --there's going to be some stuff
on these groups that's really mature --don't
know your country's laws or your own
situation, but there's probably an
assumption by people that everyone
is at least of majority age, though
I don't think there's a requirement for it.
And you give me an impression of
being a lot older. (I'm not suggesting
that you are.)
I mean we might not be mature
in other ways, but ....
...Just to let you know...
C.
Anna Bergqvist
>
> I should add, Ms. Bergquist, if you're
> only 14 --there's going to be some stuff
> on these groups that's really mature --don't
> know your country's laws or your own
> situation, but there's probably an
> assumption by people that everyone
> is at least of majority age, though
> I don't think there's a requirement for it.
I don't have problems with the mature stuff,and I don't mind being
criticised, but I like to be treated like a human being, even by a
"pompous twit" like Mr. Tepper. I don't think my age is very
important, and maybe I shouldn't have mentioned it.
> And you give me an impression of
> being a lot older.
Why? Because I can speak some English? It's not unusual in Sweden. All
Swedish schools teach English, and my parents speak it too, and so
does my sister. But I make stupid mistakes in English sometimes, and I
came here because I wanted to talk about music and improve my English
at the same time.
> ...Just to let you know...
>
> C.
Thank you for letting me know.
Anna Bergqvist
> I mean we might not be mature
> in other ways,
I'm not sure if I understand that bit, and that's why I didn't reply
to it.
Bob Lombard
"Anna Bergqvist" <sku...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:5ab18621-d3c8-46ef...@j18g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
She means that several frequent posters to rmcr who are mature in years are
not mature intellectually - and so act childishly.
bl
Anna Bergqvist
wrote:
> "Anna Bergqvist" <skua...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Mr. Lombard - thank you. I understand now, and I think I know who you
mean:)
Good night.
Matthew B. Tepper
following letters to be typed in
> She means that several frequent posters to rmcr who are mature in years
> are not mature intellectually - and so act childishly.
You big bully! You take that back! WAAAAAHHHHH!
--
Matthew B. Tepper: WWW, science fiction, classical music, ducks!
Read about "Proty" here: http://home.earthlink.net/~oy/proty.html
To write to me, do for my address what Androcles did for the lion
***** War is Peace **** Freedom is Slavery **** Fox is News *****
John Hood
"Please arrange the following words to form a commonly known phrase, 'off'
and 'fuck'", pure speculation I know, but it works for me!
JH
"Anna Bergqvist" <sku...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1855bc60-df44-463c...@c10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 27, 7:10 am, "Matthew B. Tepper" <oyþ@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
>> You big bully! You take that back! WAAAAAHHHHH!
>
> Tyhmä kusipää
>
>
Matthew B. Tepper
Lena
> On Sep 23, 7:41 am, augustinere...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > I'm still wondering if anyone has listened to any of the sound samples
> > from the site I referenced.
>
> > Here, for example, is a harp CD:http://www.musicstudio.cc/music-group-353.html
>
> > ...and here's a piano CD:http://www.musicstudio.cc/music-group-368.html
>
> > ..and here's a guitar CD:http://www.musicstudio.cc/music-group-379.html
>
> > For the guitar CD at least, there's no question that this is a fake
> > recording. The other two sound suspiciously like the sound one can
> > generate from the Finale notational software.
>
> > Opinions?
>
> The plucks sound too much the same, no differentiation among them,
> rather like a harpsichord in that respect.
I listened to a few of the piano excerpts, and those sound fake to me,
in the same way. (Too even, too exact.)
I didn't try the WTC, but excerpts where human pianists are nearly
always somewhat free with phrasing -- much freer than what goes on
with Sophie Clausel on these pages.
The disconcerting thing was that I found some of Sophiebot's
fantastically precise output fascinating -- which makes me think that
I should probably take a short break from piano music. :)
(Otoh, I'm not the only one who sometimes likes unnaturally precise
pianism :) -- however well it's known that the composer had something
quite different in mind...)
Lena
laraine
the server, so don't think it's anonymous
(In any case, I notice when I post from work
where there's a router and I connect
to a major telecom, I get automatically
anonymized to some extent. Bredband2, which
is what is being used, seems to be a valid
telecom anyway, so they might do that as well.)
If proper Swedish is not being used, I
certainly wouldn't know it... It's possible,
though, that Ms. Bergquist, is not a
native of Sweden, but has only moved
there, I suppose.
C.
laraine
believe the young lady.
I recall the first time I searched my
own IP address awhile back, and it
listed the goofy name that I had locally
given my computer! How embarassing --I
figured everyone in the world would be
able to see that... The provider that I'm
with now seems to hide that better.
So, in any case, the first name I saw for
her IP was just someone from RIPE (European
IP Networks) in Sweden, but it was
possible to find a local name also, I
think... so I'm convinced anyway, but
you might know something I don't.
----
Also, by way of comparison, there was
someone on another group whose messages
would be marked with the following:
"This message did not originate from the
sender address above. It was remailed
automatically by anonymizing remailer
software"
And on such messages, there was no
NNTP posting host listed.
So this case does not seem to me to
be like that one.
C.
Norman Schwartz
> On Oct 2, 3:06 pm, laraine <larai...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>> I've dug a little more, and I think I believe the young lady [...]
>> So, in any case, the first name I saw for her IP was just someone
>> from RIPE (European IP Networks) in Sweden,
>
> so this seems a bit post facto to me...)
>
>> but it was possible to find a local name also, I think... so I'm
>> convinced anyway, but you might know something I don't.
>
> second of work (by geotool) to be at ServerConnect AB, not a standard
> ISP. This is the kind of thing they do:
> http://www.servainet.com/Server+hosting/Secure+VPN.html
>
> (When a poster uses a proxy server as an intermediary, you'll never
> see the poster's actual IP or actual ISP, which can be anywhere in the
> world -- you only see the connection that the *proxy* has to the
> internet (which in this case is quite legitimately in Sweden). If you
> don't know how this works, you can perhaps google "proxy server.")
>
> (Otoh, the poster also used a Portuguese IP address -- that connection
> might well be from a normal ISP. But I didn't and don't feel like
> "digging" -- this seems like total overkill...)
>
laraine
> On Oct 2, 3:06 pm, laraine <larai...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> > So, in any case, the first name I saw for her IP was just someone
> > from RIPE (European IP Networks) in Sweden,
>
> so this seems a bit post facto to me...)
True, but I'd assumed that maybe
she was just chattering, repeating what
others say, perhaps.
She has since sent me a private email
explaining why her family uses an
anonymous IP... the reason seemed
extreme to me, but not outside the
realm of possibility.
>
> > but it was possible to find a local name also, I think... so I'm
> > convinced anyway, but you might know something I don't.
>
> The poster's connection to the internet is identified in about one
> second of work (by geotool) to be at ServerConnect AB, not a standard
> ISP. This is the kind of thing they do:http://www.servainet.com/Server+hosting/Secure+VPN.html
I had used some other tools, not quite
so user-friendly as geotool, and did see
the Server Connect Sweden AB, which I had
thought was possibly the goofy hostname
(though not as goofy as mine was) she or her
family had given to her computer.
My reasoning
relied on the AB, which I though stood for Anna
Bergvist, but it seems that AB is some kind of
suffix for these companies.
But your explanation makes possible sense,
and the name associated with her IP is
Peter Forslund
Hyggesvagen 1
824 34 HUDIKSVALL
SWEDEN
which matches the owner of the URL of
ServerConnect that you included,
according to my PC's Security Software.
Yet, I'm thinking it's possible that
he could represent many from Sweden--
anyway, he's listed in the RIPE NCC
membership list:
http://www.ripe.net/membership/indices/data/se.serverconnect.html
Note, however, that a tracert (on DOS) from
my computer to hers shows a route from the
US thru Germany to Sweden, and the last
non-IP name given is:
servainet-gw1.bredband2.net
(88.233.41.249)
So, bredband2 is the ISP given here.
(Geotool will verify that too, from
the IP number.)
I'm wondering, is servainet somehow
related to ServerConnect?
The wikipedia article (in Swedish) for
bredband2 says the following, translated
into English by Google Translate:
Bredband2 is an Internet service provider
operating primarily in open city network
in Sweden. The company was previously known
Skycom but changed its name to Bredband2
at the 2008 AGM.
Bredband2 is a major supplier of broadband
in metropolitan networks in Sweden. The
company provides broadband, voice over IP,
security package and data warehousing services.
---
So, it seems that bredband2 is a
reasonably well-known company, and
possibly ServerConnect's services
get hooked onto it.
I don't, however, see any obvious
IP evidence that the person on the
other end is not in Sweden.
>
> (When a poster uses a proxy server as an intermediary, you'll never
> see the poster's actual IP or actual ISP, which can be anywhere in the
> world -- you only see the connection that the *proxy* has to the
> internet (which in this case is quite legitimately in Sweden). If you
> don't know how this works, you can perhaps google "proxy server.")
I am familiar with the term, but
I'm a little shocked that VPN's
are being used in this way --it
seems like a misuse of VPN, which
I thought was sort of analogous to
an extended intranet for a company,
not something that anyone in the
world could use.
But I shouldn't be surprised --I
guess it has been not that hard to
spoof IP addresses.
>
> (Otoh, the poster also used a Portuguese IP address -- that connection
> might well be from a normal ISP. But I didn't and don't feel like
> "digging" -- this seems like total overkill...)
I agree, but I don't see why one
wouldn't believe that her family
simply took a trip to Portugal.
>
> Kindness and empathy are pretty natural things, but maybe it's okay to
> occasionally be clear about the presence of pervasive jerks and trolls
> in this newsgroup. Not that it's impossible to feel empathy towards
> jerks/trolls, too; actually, it's quite possible.
Indeed, but this case doesn't
seem quite so obvious to me.
>
> Best,
> Lena
>
> PS. I don't read everything here, but from what I did read, the
> fictitiousness of "Anna" seemed pretty immediate. There are a number
> of incongruities between what "Anna" says and what "Anna" claims to
> be, but, for one thing, the English is perfect and idiomatic,
I have had online discussions
with many from Northern Europe,
and their English often seems
quite perfect.
>and the
> Swedish is not. (The machine translation problems one might expect
> came up: mixing up two translations of an English word, using the
> output of Google Translate verbatim, stylistic incongruities,
> untypically "formal" greetings...)
I looked at her posts, and
I really didn't see too much
Swedish --perhaps a word or
two here and there --
If someone trying to fake an
English identity said
Bye good instead of
Good bye,
yes, that would seem suspicious,
but there was not long ago a
teen on Usenet who would write
like:
And eye like U 2.
>
> Why would any real poster, posting as themselves, use Google Translate
> like this, or use a proxy server?
Well, that is the question, really...
If I couldn't speak Swedish, and I thought
people were going to look at my IP and
accuse me of not being Swedish, I would
first of all avoid using any Swedish at
all.
What should one make of this post to
the piano group, in response to one
of mine:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.makers.piano/msg/2a7f0372b7ac73a0?hl=en
She also wrote in a 2nd post:
"Or, you can say "ton", so 'helton', etc. "
I guess I wonder why anyone would
go into so much technical detail
if they didn't really know some
dialect of Swedish...
C.
> Otoh, British persons trolling
> inside various fairly fantastical disguises would -- and those have
> already been seen here, multiple times. Of course, part of the deal
> consists of increasingly tortuous explanations for the anomalies.
>
> And it's very hard to stay in disguise if that involves pretending to
> speak a language via Google Translate (at least at the current machine
> translation ability level):
>
> Input to Google Translate (Swedish):
> Posters may machine translate less than trolls, but unlike them, will
> have no trouble tuning the outcome so it makes some sense in some way.
>
> Output, after double translation:
> [Prints] may be machine translated less than magic, but unlike them,
> will have no problem tuning the results so there is no point in any
> way.
> :)
>
> (Incidentally, the quote I used, "god kvall, farbror," is from the
> title of a classic Swedish illustration:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bland_tomtar_och_troll
> Since children use the word "farbror" (uncle) to refer to every male
> person over, like, 13, the translation here is along the lines "good
> evening, sir" [said the boy the troll]. (Not that any of that made a
> dent.))
>
> (I doubt I want to post more about this subject...)
Matthew B. Tepper
to be typed in
news:bbb7bf7a-d9b2-4c69...@z28g2000yqh.googlegroups.com:
> True, but I'd assumed that maybe she was just chattering, repeating what
> others say, perhaps.
>
> She has since sent me a private email explaining why her family uses an
> anonymous IP... the reason seemed extreme to me, but not outside the
> realm of possibility.
Oho, just like Proty's explanation of the attempted blackmail emails as a
"friend" who got hold of his email account. Suuuuure.
--
Matthew B. Tepper: WWW, science fiction, classical music, ducks!
Read about "Proty" here: http://home.earthlink.net/~oy/proty.html
To write to me, do for my address what Androcles did for the lion
Lena
Hi,
> My reasoning
> relied on the AB, which I though stood for Anna
> Bergvist, but it seems that AB is some kind of
> suffix for these companies.
!! AB = aktiebolag = "stock company" = "Corp." or "Ltd."
> But your explanation makes possible sense,
Umm -- it's about the only rational explanation...
> So, it seems that bredband2 is a
> reasonably well-known company, and
> possibly ServerConnect's services
> get hooked onto it.
That's right.
> I don't, however, see any obvious
> IP evidence that the person on the
> other end is not in Sweden.
Well, that's how proxy servers work -- they hide everything about the
original poster, including where the poster is. That's one big
reason for using proxies. A lawsuit will get the information about
the poster to surface, but that's about it.
> If I couldn't speak Swedish, and I thought
> people were going to look at my IP and
> accuse me of not being Swedish, I would
> first of all avoid using any Swedish at
> all.
Well, yes. So this wasn't the most well-thought-out avatar to
adopt...
> What should one make of this post to
> the piano group, in response to one
> of mine:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.makers.piano/msg/2a7f0372b7a...
>
> She also wrote in a 2nd post:
>
> "Or, you can say "ton", so 'helton', etc. "
But you can't say that. 'Trettiotvaondelston' makes no sense, and
'helton', 'halvton' don't mean the same thing as 'helnot', 'halvnot'.
(Similarly, the translations of insults were faintly ridiculous.)
> I guess I wonder why anyone would
> go into so much technical detail
> if they didn't really know some
> dialect of Swedish...
>
Because the fiction needs upholstering, so to speak.
Lena
laraine
> On Oct 4, 5:32 pm, laraine <larai...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> > My reasoning
> > relied on the AB, which I though stood for Anna
> > Bergvist, but it seems that AB is some kind of
> > suffix for these companies.
>
> !! AB = aktiebolag = "stock company" = "Corp." or "Ltd."
Thanks for that...
>
> > But your explanation makes possible sense,
>
> Umm -- it's about the only rational explanation...
But life isn't always rational :)
And I think one still has to be careful--
are we absolutely certain that the VPN
is the service being used? It does
seem rational and probable, however,
not illegal, I assume.
>
> > So, it seems that bredband2 is a
> > reasonably well-known company, and
> > possibly ServerConnect's services
> > get hooked onto it.
>
> That's right.
>
> > I don't, however, see any obvious
> > IP evidence that the person on the
> > other end is not in Sweden.
>
> Well, that's how proxy servers work -- they hide everything about the
> original poster, including where the poster is. That's one big
> reason for using proxies. A lawsuit will get the information about
> the poster to surface, but that's about it.
I'm sorry-- I did get off on a tangent
about bredband2, but I do understand that
the end of the trace is hidden, so to speak,
and the person could be anywhere in the
world. That could include Sweden too, though.
C.
Matthew B. Tepper
Gerard
> I'm just assuming it's Proty yet again, and I'm reacting accordingly.
Pavlov.
Aage Johansen
> ...
>> ...
>> She also wrote in a 2nd post:
>>
>> "Or, you can say "ton", so 'helton', etc."
>
> But you can't say that. 'Trettiotvaondelston' makes no sense, and
> 'helton', 'halvton' don't mean the same thing as 'helnot', 'halvnot'.
>
Both 'halvton' and 'halvnot' are Swedish terms, and while not exactly
the same I would think they might be used interchangably, at least
informally.
Don't know about 'Trettiotvåendelston', but it doesn't look totally off.
I wouldn't rule either way just based on this.
--
Aage J.
Lena
> On 05.10.2010 12:24, Lena wrote:
>
> > ...
> >> ...
> >> She also wrote in a 2nd post:
>
> >> "Or, you can say "ton", so 'helton', etc."
>
> > But you can't say that. 'Trettiotvaondelston' makes no sense, and
> > 'helton', 'halvton' don't mean the same thing as 'helnot', 'halvnot'.
>
> Both 'halvton' and 'halvnot' are Swedish terms, and while not exactly
> the same I would think they might be used interchangably, at least
> informally.
Halvnot = half note (minim in Britain) : describes note duration
Halvton = semitone : describes a difference in pitch
Not terribly interchangeable... and I at least have never heard
anyone mix them up informally either (since they mean two different
things).
> Don't know about 'Trettiotvåendelston', but it doesn't look totally off.
The corresponding term exists for note duration. But for pitch, it's
kind of nonsensical...
Lena
Bob Lombard
"Lena" <emsw...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Oct 5, 10:19 am, laraine <larai...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 5, 5:24 am, Lena <emswo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> > Well, that's how proxy servers work -- they hide everything about the
> > original poster, including where the poster is. That's one big
> > reason for using proxies. A lawsuit will get the information about
> > the poster to surface, but that's about it.
>
> I'm sorry-- I did get off on a tangent
> about bredband2, but I do understand that
> the end of the trace is hidden, so to speak,
> and the person could be anywhere in the
> world.
That's okay.
> That could include Sweden too, though.
One general remark: I don't think people make determinations like this
by what is just possible. You can't ever conclude anything if you
consider every possible case equally likely... Instead, people tend
to evaluate events by using a large set of example probabilities,
based on their experience.
Also based on prejudices. For instance, MBT has determined that 37.2% of all
messages on newsgroups are probably composed by "proty".
Does Google really confuse 'half-note' with 'semi-tone' when translating
from English to Swedish? I would try it, but it's supper time.
bl
Bob Lombard
On Oct 5, 1:55 pm, "Bob Lombard" <thorsteinnos...@vermontel.net>
wrote:
> "Lena" <emswo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> One general remark: I don't think people make determinations like this
> by what is just possible. You can't ever conclude anything if you
> consider every possible case equally likely... Instead, people tend
> to evaluate events by using a large set of example probabilities,
> based on their experience.
>
> Also based on prejudices. [...]
Sure. Btw, no 13-or-whatever-year-olds in my neighborhoods have the
somewhat dubious sophistication to make bad-taste puns based on the
names of relatively obscure musicians, and that in a language not
their own. ("Suk and Blow.") Most English-speaking 13-year-olds
would be stumped at this well before the sentence starts.
(This is not a prejudice... unless it's one against musicians I've
never heard of. :) )
> Does Google really confuse 'half-note' with 'semi-tone' when translating
> from English to Swedish? I would try it, but it's supper time.
No, I don't think Google does that... The word 'note' alone of course
has lots of meanings, and is translated by Google to a long list,
including to both 'not' and 'ton'.
Lena
I finished supper, and checked. Google Translate changes its 'mind depending
on whether one enters 'half-note' or 'half note' and whether 'and or 'or' is
used. It is possible that Google Translate has a few kinks.
bl
Matthew B. Tepper
following letters to be typed in
> Also based on prejudices. For instance, MBT has determined that 37.2% of
> all messages on newsgroups are probably composed by "proty".
Nope, just the creepy ones.
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Matthew B. Tepper
typed in news:09a26b2a-7d9a-4df0-a6f5-
319b53...@n26g2000yqh.googlegroups.com:
> One general remark: I don't think people make determinations like this by
> what is just possible. You can't ever conclude anything if you consider
> every possible case equally likely... Instead, people tend to evaluate
> events by using a large set of example probabilities, based on their
> experience.
>
> Kind of like how Google Translate works, actually -- when it works. :)
Occam's Razor. It's Proty. He/she/it descended on the newsgroup with a
splash, began to write personal emails to the members (although I blocked
him/her/it right away), and now we're discussing his/her/its provenance
because he/she/it seems to obviously phony.