do you own enough CDs?

[weary flake]

American Record Guide in the November issue suggests on
page 49 that most of us have at least 3000 CDs, that
seems to be the minimum among their writers and readers.
Do you own enough, or are you dangerously underwhelmed?

[Dufus]

I'm guessing I have about 500 physical cd's , 200 lp's, 200 more only
on ITunes.So underwhelmed.
But , I dont have cd - envy.

[wade]

Probably 3K CDs, about the same for LPs, and a 3TB hard drive that is close to full of FLAC files.

[RVG]

I own most of Brilliant and DG complete works boxes, plus I started
buying CDs when they came out, around 1982 (at the same time I started
building my personal library that also takes several walls). A few
suitcases of jazz CDs plus bargain mp3s bought from Amazon, I must be
just whelmed. :)

Oh, I almost forgot the DVDs, mine and those I inherited from my father
who was fond of comedies, film noirs and all sorts of cop movies,
especially Clint Eastwood, Hitchcock, jean-Pierre Melville, etc.

--

«Les mots qui vont surgir savent de nous des choses que nous ignorons
d'eux.»
René Char

http://www.jamendo.com/fr/artist/336871/regis-v.-gronoff
http://soundcloud.com/rvgronoff
http://bluedusk.blogspot.com/

[MELMOTH]

Ce cher mammifère du nom de weary flake nous susurrait, le mercredi
07/11/2012, dans nos oreilles grandes ouvertes mais un peu sales tout
de même, et dans le message
<wearyflake-DF406...@c-131-121-196-216.gonavy.usna.edu>,
les doux mélismes suivants :

#5 000 LP
#35 000 CD

--
Car avec beaucoup de science, il y a beaucoup de chagrin ; et celui qui
accroît sa science accroît sa douleur.
[Ecclésiaste, 1-18]
MELMOTH - souffrant

[Norman Schwartz]

With all my box collections thrown into the mix I must have 3000
duplicates. If I had someone doing all the required work, I'd surely
somehow get rid of a lot them, selling them on Amazon being only being one
such way.
--
Norman

[Gerard]

Dufus <steve...@gmail.com> typed:

Don't worry. For someone who spends 20 or more hours daily on Youtube you have
enough
cds. (When would you listen to them?)

[John Thomas]

Consumerism is consumerism no matter how "great" the product consumed
may be. How is owning 3000 CD's any different than owning 300 pairs of
shoes (while continuing to buy more)? I have enough CD's to keep me
listening to music *in depth* for the rest of my life. Do I need
more?

[Frank Berger]

The word "need" has no meaning in this context. For that matter, the word
"consumerism" is meaningless as well. The idea is that *you* don't think
*I* should be any more stuff. What I buy is none of your business.

[jrsnfld]

Do you wear out CDs as fast as Imelda Marcos wore out shoes?

--Jeff

[Gerard]

Frank Berger <frankd...@gmail.com> typed:

He was not talking to you.
The word "consumerism" is not meaningless.
Your reply is meaningless.

[Gerard]

jrsnfld <jrs...@aol.com> typed:

Did she ever wear out any shoe?

[John Thomas]

Gee, Frank I didn't know I was addressing you personally. You just go
on and buy all the worthless junk that you want. After all, the
economics texts say that's what you're supposed to do.

[J.Martin]

On Nov 7, 9:03 am, weary flake <wearyfl...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Apparently I need to buy about 1000 more. And here I thought I was
dangerously overwhelmed. I will enjoy informing my wife of this
development.

[Mr. Mike]

The question is "do you own enough CDs?"

The answer for me is "Yes."

[randy...@gmail.com]

I certainly own more than enough.
Does that mean I will stop buying more. Probably not.

[richard...@gmail.com]

Surely the collecting impulse is like those people who get married may times: each new purchase represents the triumph of hope over experience.
I have a substantial collection of media, on LP, LD, CD, DVD and hard drive, and of course books. I still find that new recordings can reveal new (to me) aspects of a piece of music, so I still get more. Not all are purchased- most are from radio broadcasts which offer a means of hearing music essentially risk-free.
I must admit that many purchases are unsuccessful- they add nothing to my enjoyment or appreciation of a piece. It is for this reason that I collect artists who appear to be out of the current mainstream. Historic recordings are the obvious example for this group, and I must thank the people here who shared recordings by, for example, Albert Coates, or even Karajan live in NY. (With the EMI and DG Karajan collections in hand I would never have expected the live recordings to add much, but they did and do!)
Richard

[Frank Berger]

John Thomas wrote:
> On Nov 7, 1:39 pm, "Frank Berger" <frankdber...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> John Thomas wrote:
>>> On Nov 7, 9:03 am, weary flake <wearyfl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> American Record Guide in the November issue suggests on
>>>> page 49 that most of us have at least 3000 CDs, that
>>>> seems to be the minimum among their writers and readers.
>>>> Do you own enough, or are you dangerously underwhelmed?
>>
>>> Consumerism is consumerism no matter how "great" the product
>>> consumed may be. How is owning 3000 CD's any different than owning
>>> 300 pairs of shoes (while continuing to buy more)? I have enough
>>> CD's to keep me listening to music *in depth* for the rest of my
>>> life. Do I need more?
>>
>> The word "need" has no meaning in this context. For that matter, the
>> word "consumerism" is meaningless as well. The idea is that *you*
>> don't think *I* should be any more stuff. What I buy is none of your
>> business.
>
> Gee, Frank I didn't know I was addressing you personally.

Think bigger.

>You just go
> on and buy all the worthless junk that you want.

"Worthless junk" = stuff you aren't willing to pay for.

>After all, the economics texts say that's what you're supposed to do.

Not one economics text says that.

[jrsnfld]

Like you, I own too many of the CDs I have purchased but not enough of
the CDs I have not yet purchased.

--Jeff

[Bob Harper]

Same here. I've too many I haven't heard to justify another purchase for
life--but I know that isn't going to stop the next purchase :(

Bob Harper

[Bob Harper]

And therein lies the problem--for all of us.

Bob Harper

[Matthew B. Tepper]

weary flake <weary...@hotmail.com> appears to have caused the following
letters to be typed in news:wearyflake-DF4062.09032807112012@c-131-121-196-
216.gonavy.usna.edu:

Well, I think I had 6,000 until shortly before the move when I culled out
about a hundred. I also replaced all of my Toscanini Gold Seal Edition CDs
(except for the Rossini Overtures) with the new box, but that was pretty much
a straight numeric swap.

In recent years, I've become less interested in increasing my CD collection
than restructuring my book collection. I've always had quite a few books by
Isaac Asimov, but I've been actively working on collecting them lately, and
in the past week alone I've gotten two of the rarer "Annotated" ones (Gilbert
& Sullivan and "Don Juan").

--
Matthew B. Tepper: WWW, science fiction, classical music, ducks!!
Read about "Proty" here: http://home.earthlink.net/~oy/proty.html
To write to me, do for my address what Androcles did for the lion
Opinions expressed here are not necessarily those of my employers.

[Frank Berger]

I have exactly the right number of CDs.

[jrsnfld]

But the more important question is, do you have exactly the right CDs,
if so, how do you know this? I know that I have too many CDs, but I'm
not sure yet which ones I should not have and which ones I should
replace them with.

--Jeff

[Frank Berger]

I have plenty of CDs that if I chose to devote the time and energy, I would
sell. If I don't do that, I have chosen to keep them. You'll never hear me
say things like (rarely, anyway), "I don't have the time" or "I need....."
Everything is choice subject to constraints.

I just get annoyed at meaningless speech (not that I don't do it). A person
thinks he has too many CDs? Then get rid of some. If what he means is that
he has an addiction and can't break it, then let him say so.

[Gerard]

Frank Berger <frankd...@gmail.com> typed:

You're ready for the GOP.
(grumpy/surly/gruff, old, white, male)

[jrsnfld]

On Nov 8, 5:21 am, "Frank Berger" <frankdber...@gmail.com> wrote:

> >> I have exactly the right number of CDs.
>
> > But the more important question is, do you have exactly the right CDs,
> > if so, how do you know this? I know that I have too many CDs, but I'm
> > not sure yet which ones I should not have and which ones I should
> > replace them with.

>

> I have plenty of CDs that if I chose to devote the time and energy, I would
> sell.

I interpret that to mean that you don't have exactly the right
selection of CDs, unless you feel that having a CD you don't want is
the right situation to be in. By extension, it seems very unlikely you
have "exactly the right number" of CDs. How do you determine what is
"exactly the right number"?

>If I don't do that, I have chosen to keep them.  You'll never hear me
> say things like (rarely, anyway), "I don't have the time" or "I need....."
> Everything is choice subject to constraints.

Sure, but I don't claim that all my choices are "exactly right" simply
because I made them.

>
> I just get annoyed at meaningless speech (not that I don't do it).  A person
> thinks he has too many CDs? Then get rid of some.  If what he means is that
> he has an addiction and can't break it, then let him say so.

I freely admit some for of addiction, and from the writings of others
here, it seems I'm not alone. Sometimes it's under control, sometimes
not, but it can't be judged by the limited number of CDs I have. The
meaningful indicator of the addiction is whether I always crave more,
or whether I constantly desire different CDs than the ones I have.

--Jeff

[Bob Harper]

Look, the fact that we read this group is pretty good evidence that
we're all in the grip of that addiction, don't you think? Unless it's
taking taking food from our childrens' mouths or doing some other
equally negative thing, it's a fairly harmless one, though rather
silly in the view of most wives, that is if my wife's eye rolls are
any indication :)

Bob Harper

[Frank Berger]

jrsnfld wrote:
> On Nov 8, 5:21 am, "Frank Berger" <frankdber...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>> I have exactly the right number of CDs.
>>
>>> But the more important question is, do you have exactly the right
>>> CDs, if so, how do you know this? I know that I have too many CDs,
>>> but I'm not sure yet which ones I should not have and which ones I
>>> should replace them with.
>
>>
>> I have plenty of CDs that if I chose to devote the time and energy,
>> I would sell.
>
> I interpret that to mean that you don't have exactly the right
> selection of CDs, unless you feel that having a CD you don't want is
> the right situation to be in. By extension, it seems very unlikely you
> have "exactly the right number" of CDs. How do you determine what is
> "exactly the right number"?
>
>> If I don't do that, I have chosen to keep them. You'll never hear me
>> say things like (rarely, anyway), "I don't have the time" or "I
>> need....." Everything is choice subject to constraints.
>
> Sure, but I don't claim that all my choices are "exactly right" simply
> because I made them.
>

By definition, I'd say, they were right when you made them. If your taste,
income, whatever, changes you need to re-optimize.

[Dana John Hill]

"weary flake" <weary...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:wearyflake-DF406...@c-131-121-196-216.gonavy.usna.edu...

> American Record Guide in the November issue suggests on
> page 49 that most of us have at least 3000 CDs, that
> seems to be the minimum among their writers and readers.
> Do you own enough, or are you dangerously underwhelmed?

I have enough that Jazz Loft sleeves may be on the horizon for some of the
less-frequently accessed CDs. But I don't think about it as too many. I get
new recordings when I feel like I want to hear something new, be it a piece
or a performance. I have long since discontinued my earlier habit of selling
what didn't immediately appeal to me, and now I keep everything, even if it
doesn't stand out. And the reason I do this is because I don't know what I
might like ten, twenty, or forty years from now.

Until then, it certainly isn't hurting me to have these CDs. They don't turn
to poison or spontaneously combust. And, to tell the truth, I am happy when
I get the chance to discover new pieces and performances, even if it means
buying more and having more.

Dana John Hill
Gainesville, Florida

[Frank Berger]

And you could any time you wanted to. :-)

[Art]

On 11/7/2012 12:03 PM, weary flake wrote:
> American Record Guide in the November issue suggests on
> page 49 that most of us have at least 3000 CDs, that
> seems to be the minimum among their writers and readers.
> Do you own enough, or are you dangerously underwhelmed?
>

I'm closing in on 1000. I haven't counted so I may have surpassed this
landmark by now. I didn't start collecting CDs until Y2K so I'm a bit
behind the others in this group who have been at it since 1982. I'm not
really concerned with getting to any number. It's more about the journey.
I did manage to collect around 2000 LPs and they are slowly trickling
out of here.
I also have quite a few 78s(took a big box of those to Goodwill last
month) and those thick Edison records which are on their way out as well.
As I've mentioned before here, I'm also building a small reel-to-reel
collection and I'm up to a whopping total of 9!

[Art]

On 11/8/2012 2:41 PM, Dana John Hill wrote:

>
> Until then, it certainly isn't hurting me to have these CDs. They don't turn
> to poison or spontaneously combust.

Lol! Well put. Hopefully we'll never see the warning "known in the state
of California to cause cancer" printed on the back of a cd case.

[randy...@gmail.com]

But I am sure someone would argue that CDs contribute to a sedintary couch-potatoe lifestyle that puts the listener at a higher risk of cancer and heart disease, and that a warning label therefore should be included.

[whiskynsplash]

> But I am sure someone would argue that CDs contribute to a sedintary couch-potatoe lifestyle that puts the listener at a higher risk of cancer and heart disease, and that a warning label therefore should be included.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

And that can be easily avoided by standing up and conducting with
energetic arm movements or singing loudly in the shower while
lathering up. Isn't there evidence that most conductors live to old
age because of their upper body exercise to the point of sweating
heavily on every concert and rehearsal?

[Lena]

On Nov 7, 9:12 pm, jrsnfld <jrsn...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Nov 7, 8:43 pm, "Frank Berger" <frankdber...@gmail.com> wrote:

[...]

> I know that I have too many CDs, but I'm
> not sure yet which ones I should not have and which ones I should
> replace them with.
>

My problem is that I don't know which ones I actually have... :)

Lena

[Kip Williams]

Lena wrote, On 11/9/12 3:11 AM:

I've been saying for years that if Mr. Spock could come along, put his
fingers on my forehead and tell me which records I was never going to
need again, I'd pay well for the service. Same with books, comics, and
old magazines.


Kip W

[jrsnfld]

But to find that you have a CD you didn't know you had is to
experience the joy of discovery and procurement yet again!

--Jeff

[Steve Thompson]

On Fri, 9 Nov 2012, jrsnfld wrote:

> But to find that you have a CD you didn't know you had is to
> experience the joy of discovery and procurement yet again!

I have been to the store and bought a CD that I simply had to have, only
to find out later that I already had it.

-s

[jrsnfld]

Consider it a sign of your mental acuity: you came to the same logical
conclusion in two independent situations.

I have been to the store and rejected buying a CD because it didn't
seem necessary, only to find out later that I had it anyway. I have
also returned a CD that I thought I'd errantly bought twice, only to
find out later that I hadn't bought it twice, so I ended up with no
copies of it at all.

--Jeff

[Bob Harper]

On Nov 9, 12:00 pm, Steve Thompson <s...@vgersoft.com> wrote:

Is there anyone here who has not done that? I now I have.

Bob Harper

[William Sommerwerck]

I have around 8000 CDs and SACDs. I'm always buying more. Especially big,
cheap sets.

[William Sommerwerck]

> I also have quite a few ... thick Edison records which are

> on their way out as well.

Diamond Disks have at least technological value. If you don't keep them,
make sure they go to a good home.

[Gerard]

jrsnfld <jrs...@aol.com> typed:

Another variation on this is having been to the store, not buying a CD because
of thinking that you have it, to find out later that you don't have it. It
happened to me lately when I did not buy the Linn twofer with Mozart symphonies
38 - 41 with Mackerras (what I actually already had was another twofer with the
earlier symphonies). So I "had to" go to that store again (where they still had
their only copy of at twofer).

[John Wiser]

"William Sommerwerck" <grizzle...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:k7l308$kqq$1...@dont-email.me...

They make first rate garden stepping stones.

jdw

[trustysound]

I might be an exception here since I am running the trustysound business for storing CD database. Too bad that I can't attach a photo to show what it looks like to have a high ceiling wall of CDs of over 35,000 CDs. It ball park by counting how many per shelf, and how many shelves in my collection.
Russell

[Sol L. Siegel]

trustysound <russel...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:e463846c-1004-478b...@googlegroups.com:

My condo has a limit of a bit past 2000. That's because when I was
preparing to move in I culled a couple of hundred from my collection,
and then I had four glass-door Ikea media shelves installed which,
with extra shelves put it, can hold about that many with room for
a couple of hundred videos on the bottom, and it transpired that
when I unpacked it just about comfortably held my collection, less
the CDs I keep in the office, with a little bit of room for growth.
So from now on any additions will have to be countered by some
pruning somewhere. This place is simply not going to become the
pigsty that my last place was. (And please withhold your snickering.)

- Sol L. Siegel, Philadelphia, PA USA

[Christopher Ingham]

On Nov 10, 9:22 pm, "Sol L. Siegel" <vod...@aol.com> wrote:
> trustysound <russell88...@yahoo.com> wrote innews:e463846c-1004-478b...@googlegroups.com:

About ten years ago I searched around for dressers having drawers with
the ideal dimensions for CDs (three rows of CDs per drawer, with
dowels for dividers), and ended up purchasing two dressers with three
drawers each, which nicely accommodates 1600 CDs (they’re stackable,
too). I’d like to acquire an additional unit, as I now have several
hundred more CDs, but almost certainly the model has been
discontinued.

Christopher Ingham

[Kirk McElhearn at dot]

On 2012-11-11 02:22:49 +0000, "Sol L. Siegel" <vod...@aol.com> said:

> My condo has a limit of a bit past 2000. That's because when I was
> preparing to move in I culled a couple of hundred from my collection,
> and then I had four glass-door Ikea media shelves installed which,
> with extra shelves put it, can hold about that many with room for
> a couple of hundred videos on the bottom, and it transpired that
> when I unpacked it just about comfortably held my collection, less
> the CDs I keep in the office, with a little bit of room for growth.
> So from now on any additions will have to be countered by some
> pruning somewhere. This place is simply not going to become the
> pigsty that my last place was. (And please withhold your snickering.)

Get rid of the jewel boxes and get sleeves. You'll be able to store
three times as many. :-)

Kirk
--

Kirkville -- http://www.mcelhearn.com
Writings about more than just Macs
Take Control of iTunes 10: The FAQ: http://www.mcelhearn.com/itunes

[Gerard]

Kirk McElhearn <kirkmc (at) mac (dot) com> typed:

> On 2012-11-11 02:22:49 +0000, "Sol L. Siegel" <vod...@aol.com> said:
>
> > My condo has a limit of a bit past 2000. That's because when I was
> > preparing to move in I culled a couple of hundred from my
> > collection, and then I had four glass-door Ikea media shelves
> > installed which, with extra shelves put it, can hold about that
> > many with room for
> > a couple of hundred videos on the bottom, and it transpired that
> > when I unpacked it just about comfortably held my collection, less
> > the CDs I keep in the office, with a little bit of room for growth.
> > So from now on any additions will have to be countered by some
> > pruning somewhere. This place is simply not going to become the
> > pigsty that my last place was. (And please withhold your
> > snickering.)
>
> Get rid of the jewel boxes and get sleeves. You'll be able to store
> three times as many. :-)
>
> Kirk

Right.
(No smiley needed.)

[William Sommerwerck]

"Sol L. Siegel" wrote in message
news:XnsA107D9822F4...@130.133.4.11...

My condo has a limit of a bit past 2000. That's because when I was
preparing to move in I culled a couple of hundred from my collection,
and then I had four glass-door Ikea media shelves installed which,
with extra shelves put it, can hold about that many with room for
a couple of hundred videos on the bottom, and it transpired that
when I unpacked it just about comfortably held my collection, less
the CDs I keep in the office, with a little bit of room for growth.
So from now on any additions will have to be countered by some
pruning somewhere. This place is simply not going to become the
pigsty that my last place was. (And please withhold your snickering.)

You won't hear me snickering. My condo looks like the Collyer brothers just
moved in.

[hiker_rs]

On Nov 10, 11:27 pm, Christopher Ingham

<christophering...@comcast.net> wrote:

> About ten years ago I searched around for dressers having drawers with
> the ideal dimensions for CDs (three rows of CDs per drawer, with
> dowels for dividers), and ended up purchasing two dressers with three
> drawers each, which nicely accommodates 1600 CDs (they’re stackable,
> too). I’d like to acquire an additional unit, as I now have several
> hundred more CDs, but almost certainly the model has been
> discontinued.

Does that mean that when you buy more CDs you get rid of clothes
rather than prune the CD collection? :)

Rich

[Steve de Mena]

On 11/10/12 11:53 PM, Kirk McElhearn wrote:
> On 2012-11-11 02:22:49 +0000, "Sol L. Siegel" <vod...@aol.com> said:
>
>> My condo has a limit of a bit past 2000. That's because when I was
>> preparing to move in I culled a couple of hundred from my collection,
>> and then I had four glass-door Ikea media shelves installed which,
>> with extra shelves put it, can hold about that many with room for
>> a couple of hundred videos on the bottom, and it transpired that
>> when I unpacked it just about comfortably held my collection, less
>> the CDs I keep in the office, with a little bit of room for growth.
>> So from now on any additions will have to be countered by some
>> pruning somewhere. This place is simply not going to become the
>> pigsty that my last place was. (And please withhold your snickering.)
>
> Get rid of the jewel boxes and get sleeves. You'll be able to store
> three times as many. :-)
>
> Kirk

That's what I did.

http://www.jazzloft.com/p-34281-space-saving-cd-sleeves.aspx

Steve

[Kip Williams]

William Sommerwerck wrote, On 11/11/12 7:40 AM:

Keep looking. There's a piano in there somewhere!

Hm. My piano teacher around 1985, von Bernewitz, lived in suburban
squalor. The living room, where he gave lessons, had chest-high stacks
of books to thread through to get to the pianos. The kitchen was
probably his most important room. Though messy, it was navigable.

The garage held several pianos and actions from pianos, and there were
another couple of actions in the bedroom that held stacks and stacks of
music. There was some good music in there too. These days, somebody
would stage an intervention or put him on TV.


Kip W

[Christopher Ingham]

I’ll admit that I more readily get rid of clothes than CDs, but
they’re in different rooms. The clothes are more impacted spatially by
the 3000 books that are stored in the “bedroom.”

Christopher Ingham

[William Sommerwerck]

>> You won't hear me snickering. My condo looks like the Collyer
>> brothers just moved in.

> Keep looking. There's a piano in there somewhere!

Does a Miracle Piano System keyboard count? I've been trying to get to drive
a MIDI system.

[William Sommerwerck]

>> Does that mean that when you buy more CDs you get rid of clothes
>> rather than prune the CD collection? :)

> I�ll admit that I more readily get rid of clothes than CDs, but
> they�re in different rooms. The clothes are more impacted spatially
> by the 3000 books that are stored in the �bedroom.�

It's nice to know you're not the only "acquisitor".

[Art]

The older I get the less patience I have for random stuff sitting
around. The past five years have been a real period of purging for me.
I do however plan to continue to "hoard" CDs. That's the only thing I
allow myself to collect now and I finally bought nice metal racks this
year so they are all in one place and nicely displayed. The next step is
alphabetizing them.
I've even been parting with some of my stereo equipment collection.

I do envy you, William, for the SACD collection you must have. Just this
past week I purchased a new SACD player and I realize now that I only
have about 20 SACDs to play in it.

[Kip Williams]

William Sommerwerck wrote, On 11/11/12 3:39 PM:

Oh, okay. I was thinking it was exactly like the Collyer Brothers. Come
to think, if they'd just moved in, they wouldn't have gotten all that
far with it yet. Nemmine.


Kip W

[William Sommerwerck]

> I do envy you, William, for the SACD collection you must have. Just this
> past week I purchased a new SACD player and I realize now that I only have
> about 20 SACDs to play in it.

I've been promoting surround sound since 1970. Once a viable system came on
the market, I adopted it and started collecting software. The good thing is
that SACDs generally have better sound than DVDs.

If you don't have surround, you are truly missing something.

[M forever]

On Saturday, November 10, 2012 11:57:25 AM UTC-5, trustysound wrote:
> I might be an exception here since I am running the trustysound business for storing CD database. Too bad that I can't attach a photo to show what it looks like to have a high ceiling wall of CDs of over 35,000 CDs. It ball park by counting how many per shelf, and how many shelves in my collection.
>
> Russell

You can take a picture and post it on a free image sharing site like photobucket, then post the link here.

[Art]

I've got the player, I have a 7 channel receiver, it's the rear speakers
that I'm missing. I have a crappy pair of Sony home theater speakers
here. Would these be sufficient to give me a taste of surround sound
until I get something better or would it not be worth the time?

[Art]

Yes, this would be like porn for me! :-)

[M forever]

If you enjoy music but you can't play any music nor even read music so you can learn a little more about the pieces and about how various musicians interpret them, you are truly missing something.

[Dana John Hill]

"Christopher Ingham" <christop...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:fda19f82-1caa-4bcf...@c17g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...

>About ten years ago I searched around for dressers having drawers with
>the ideal dimensions for CDs (three rows of CDs per drawer, with
>dowels for dividers), and ended up purchasing two dressers with three
>drawers each, which nicely accommodates 1600 CDs (they’re stackable,
>too). I’d like to acquire an additional unit, as I now have several
>hundred more CDs, but almost certainly the model has been
>discontinued.

Back in 2003 or so, I purchased four shelf units from Ikea that were
designed for CDs or DVDs. Each unit could accommodate eight hundred
single-disc jewelcases. Alas, only three units were delivered (there was not
yet an Ikea in Florida), and when I called to ask where the fourth unit was,
I was told the item had been discontinued.

So I got by with only three shelves for the next eight or nine years, though
by 2008 I was over capacity. Then, last year, something came up and I added
many hundred discs to the collection, and was buried in CDs at home. I
started removing them from their cases. I needed a new system.

So I set about building my own custom shelves that would hold over five
thousand discs (which is where I think I am now).

Here's what I built (with my own two hands):

http://www.flickr.com/photos/danajohnhill/7880820536

Dana John Hill
Gainesville, Florida

[Christopher Ingham]

On Nov 12, 2:33 pm, "Dana John Hill" <d...@danajohnhill.com> wrote:
> "Christopher Ingham" <christophering...@comcast.net> wrote in message

Splendid!

Such a showpiece almost demands recessed ceiling lights for
illumination (unless the chandelier is sufficient).

My CD storage units closely resemble the dresser shown on the left of
your photo.

Christopher Ingham

[Al Eisner]

On Fri, 9 Nov 2012, jrsnfld wrote:

> On Nov 9, 12:00 pm, Steve Thompson <s...@vgersoft.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 9 Nov 2012, jrsnfld wrote:
>>> But to find that you have a CD you didn't know you had is to
>>> experience the joy of discovery and procurement yet again!
>>
>> I have been to the store and bought a CD that I simply had to have, only
>> to find out later that I already had it.
>
> Consider it a sign of your mental acuity: you came to the same logical
> conclusion in two independent situations.
>
> I have been to the store and rejected buying a CD because it didn't
> seem necessary, only to find out later that I had it anyway. I have
> also returned a CD that I thought I'd errantly bought twice, only to
> find out later that I hadn't bought it twice, so I ended up with no
> copies of it at all.

It's just Murphy's Law: anything that can go wrong will go wrong.

Re. your earlier message (quoted above), are you suggesting that people
with Alzheimer's are the happiest people in the world? (And thus that
Barbra Streisand was wrong?)
--

Al Eisner

[Dana John Hill]

"Christopher Ingham" <christop...@comcast.net> wrote in message

news:d0a8fc8b-5d72-4ed1...@g8g2000yqp.googlegroups.com...

>
>Splendid!
>
>Such a showpiece almost demands recessed ceiling lights for
>illumination (unless the chandelier is sufficient).

That chandelier is tremendously bright, but I agree that some focused,
shelf-aimed lighting would look sharp. It is on the horizon, but I'll have
to do some attic-crawlin' to wire it up, and I wanted to wait until it
wasn't sweltering up there.

[Matthew B. Tepper]

"Dana John Hill" <da...@danajohnhill.com> appears to have caused the
following letters to be typed in news:k7riuh$130$1...@usenet.osg.ufl.edu:

That is just beautiful, Dana! It also serves as a reminder that I have to
keep going with putting up bookcases and shelving my books (and hers),
since it's now nearly a month and a half since the move. The CD racks
(which were the subject of some lively discussion here years ago) then need
to be put up in the study, which actually has room for them and several
bookcases. When it's all done, I'll do some more photos.

--
Matthew B. Tepper: WWW, science fiction, classical music, ducks!!
Read about "Proty" here: http://home.earthlink.net/~oy/proty.html
To write to me, do for my address what Androcles did for the lion
Opinions expressed here are not necessarily those of my employers.

[jrsnfld]

I don't remember saying that....

--Jeff

[wagnerfan]

It is a beautiful job!!! Wagner fan

[hiker_rs]

On Nov 12, 1:33 pm, "Dana John Hill" <d...@danajohnhill.com> wrote:
> "Christopher Ingham" <christophering...@comcast.net> wrote in message

Very nice - well done!

Rich

[O]

In article <jaadnQjbyeWd6T3N...@earthlink.com>, Art

Sure, try em. Unless they're particularly noisy, they might give you
enough flavor to want to upgrade them.

-Owen

[William Sommerwerck]

>> If you don't have surround, you are truly missing something.

> I've got the player, I have a 7 channel receiver, it's the rear speakers
> that I'm missing. I have a crappy pair of Sony home theater speakers here.
> Would these be sufficient to give me a taste of surround sound until I get
> something better or would it not be worth the time?

It might give you a distaste.

I've had surround sound since 1970. (That's not a typo.) In general, the
rear speakers should be the same as the front speakers. If you own high-end
speakers, this can get pricey. The usual approach is to buy less-expensive
speakers from the same model line (speakers using the same midrange and
tweeter).

Most surround material is ambience-only. Inexpensive speakers with low
midrange coloration (whether or not from the same manufacturer) will usually
work. When playing "immersive" material (such as EPB at Freiburg, or some of
the Savall and Jacobs recordings) a close front/back match is preferable.

Of course, "better" rear speakers will also improve theatrical sound.

Surround recordings bring you much closer to the sense that you are hearing
the original performance.

PS: I finally watched the Blu-ray of the original version of "Little Shop of
Horrors". One of my favorite musicals, one I think G&S would have enjoyed.
Howard Ashman actually rhymed "shang a lang" with "Sturm and Drang".
Wonderful.

[William Sommerwerck]

>> If you don't have surround, you are truly missing something.

> If you enjoy music but you can't play any music nor even read music
> so you can learn a little more about the pieces and about how various
> musicians interpret them, you are truly missing something.

I would normally ignore your remark, but I will deign to tell you that I've
dusted off a MIDI keyboard, got it working on my computer, and have made the
commitment to learn the basics. It's not important whether I learn to play
well. I want to learn music theory, etc.

[Al Eisner]

An extrapolation from what you did say -- poetic license or something. :)

[But I did mess up the Streisand connection.]
--

Al Eisner

[jrsnfld]

The Streisand reference blew right by me...what do expect from someone
who can't remember what he wrote five minutes ago?

But if there is a class of people who are the "luckiest people in the
world," surely they are the people to whom we give all those duplicate
CDs we buy by mistake!

--Jeff

[yoker]

On Nov 7, 12:03 pm, weary flake <wearyfl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> American Record Guide in the November issue suggests on
> page 49 that most of us have at least 3000 CDs, that
> seems to be the minimum among their writers and readers.
> Do you own enough, or are you dangerously underwhelmed?



You should post this question on
rec.music.gdead
and see the responses.

[randy...@gmail.com]

On Wednesday, November 7, 2012 5:25:06 PM UTC-8, randy...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Wednesday, November 7, 2012 9:03:30 AM UTC-8, weary flake wrote:
>
> > American Record Guide in the November issue suggests on
>
> >
>
> > page 49 that most of us have at least 3000 CDs, that
>
> >
>
> > seems to be the minimum among their writers and readers.
>
> >
>
> > Do you own enough, or are you dangerously underwhelmed?
>
>
>

> I certainly own more than enough.
>
> Does that mean I will stop buying more. Probably not.

The postman delivered 33 more today - The Eric La Sage Schumann set (13), the Philips Jean Guillou Live Bach recordings from 1999 (12), and an 8 CD Accord set of works by Lully cvonducted by Hugo Reyne.

And the Cortot Edition (40 CDs) is still in transit.

Will I ever stop? I suppose when my ears deteriorate enough.

[Matthew B. Tepper]

yoker <yok...@yahoo.com> appears to have caused the following letters to be
typed in news:3367262c-bb37-42fd-8b06-987e727c0985
@l7g2000vbj.googlegroups.com:

Deadheads would probably understand completely why some of us might have,
say, twelve different Furtwängler Beethoven 9ths.

[Jon Bell]

In article <k7riuh$130$1...@usenet.osg.ufl.edu>,

"Dana John Hill" <da...@danajohnhill.com> wrote:

> Here's what I built (with my own two hands):
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/danajohnhill/7880820536

Beautiful! We've never done (or had done) any custom work like that. I
use ready-made floorstanding shelf units for most of my collection,
about 5000 of them. Here's about half of it, in our "breakfast room"
which we never actually eat in:

http://web.presby.edu/~jtbell/images/knottypine.jpg

This is the "Nordic/Baltic section": the left rack contains mostly
Finns, Estonians, Latvians and Lithuanians, and the right rack contains
Danes, Norwegians, Swedes, and Icelanders. Probably about 3/4 of the
discs are in Case Logic sleeves to save space.

The rest of the collection is in two other rooms of the house, with the
"mainstream European" countries in the living room (Germany/Austria,
France, Russia...)

[jrsnfld]

On Nov 13, 8:51 pm, Jon Bell <jtb5...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> In article <k7riuh$13...@usenet.osg.ufl.edu>,

This reminds me of the listening room at The University of the South,
which is lined with custom shelving hosting a fairly good sized
private collection that was recently donated to the school: something
approaching 10,000 CDs and at least that many LPs as well. Here's one
picture of the shelves for CDs:

https://picasaweb.google.com/100214278730048376558/RecentPhotos?authuser=0&feat=directlink

Very classy, in the edifice style worthy of an academic setting. But I
prefer Dana's more cheerfully modern approach!

--Jeff

[jrsnfld]

On Nov 13, 7:43 pm, "Matthew B. Tepper" <oy @earthlink.net> wrote:
> yoker <yoke...@yahoo.com> appears to have caused the following letters to be

> typed in news:3367262c-bb37-42fd-8b06-987e727c0985
> @l7g2000vbj.googlegroups.com:
>
> > On Nov 7, 12:03 pm, weary flake <wearyfl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> American Record Guide in the November issue suggests on page 49 that most
> >> of us have at least 3000 CDs, that seems to be the minimum among their
> >> writers and readers. Do you own enough, or are you dangerously
> >> underwhelmed?
>
> > You should post this question on
> > rec.music.gdead
> > and see the responses.
>
> Deadheads would probably understand completely why some of us might have,

> say, twelve different Furtw ngler Beethoven 9ths.

But would they understand that we paid real money for them in a store,
or maybe online, instead of swapped--by handing a few ounces of
substances to the bootleggers who camped out in a VW bus behind the
Philharmonie?


--Jeff

[Lena]

Your putative license may soon be revoked (though not by me, I'm
unqualified and I'll probably forget anyway). So just get a few
duplicates...

L.

[Matthew B. Tepper]

jrsnfld <jrs...@aol.com> appears to have caused the following letters to
be typed in
news:2248487c-133c-4c85...@r5g2000yqo.googlegroups.com:

Perhaps, although the Deadheads I have known trade their concert recordings
freely, and openly, with the tacit (or overt) assent of the performers.

[Art]

Thanks for the info. I think that the thing that has kept me from
dipping my toe into the surround waters has been the fact that I
don't care much for cimema surround sound. Of course most people buy
those awful "home theater in a box" systems but I've also never liked
the sound at movie theaters either.

[Kip Williams]

Matthew B. Tepper wrote, On 11/14/12 9:56 AM:

> jrsnfld <jrs...@aol.com> appears to have caused the following letters to
> be typed in
> news:2248487c-133c-4c85...@r5g2000yqo.googlegroups.com:
>
>> On Nov 13, 7:43 pm, "Matthew B. Tepper" <oy @earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> yoker <yoke...@yahoo.com> appears to have caused the following letters
>>> to be typed in news:3367262c-bb37-42fd-8b06-987e727c0985
>>> @l7g2000vbj.googlegroups.com:
>>>
>>>> On Nov 7, 12:03 pm, weary flake <wearyfl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> American Record Guide in the November issue suggests on page 49 that
>>>>> most of us have at least 3000 CDs, that seems to be the minimum among
>>>>> their writers and readers. Do you own enough, or are you dangerously
>>>>> underwhelmed?
>>>
>>>> You should post this question on rec.music.gdead and see the
>>>> responses.
>>>
>>> Deadheads would probably understand completely why some of us might
>>> have, say, twelve different Furtw ngler Beethoven 9ths.
>>
>> But would they understand that we paid real money for them in a store, or
>> maybe online, instead of swapped--by handing a few ounces of substances
>> to the bootleggers who camped out in a VW bus behind the Philharmonie?
>
> Perhaps, although the Deadheads I have known trade their concert recordings
> freely, and openly, with the tacit (or overt) assent of the performers.

Archive.org has hundreds, maybe thousands, of hours of Grateful Dead
concerts (and other acts), with the permission of the band. I saw
somewhere that there was a brief period of uncertainty over the
arrangement, and then it was agreed not to post recordings made direct
from the sound board. I don't know what arrangements were made with
other groups. Most of them I haven't heard of, so I haven't looked too
closely.


Kip W

[William Sommerwerck]

> I think the thing that has kept me from dipping my toe into the surround
> waters has been the fact that I don't care much for cinema surround sound.

The Cinerama monsters will abduct you. Some Cinerama films recorded surround
effects live.

> Of course most people buy those awful "home theater in a box" systems
> but I've also never liked the sound at movie theaters either.

Do you know what it is you don't like?

[Art]

It always seemed to be so over-done. Over the top. Like there is too
much going on. Add in the fact that most movies are either whisper quiet
at moments and blaring loud the next moment. Needless to say, I'm not
much of a movie watcher.
I am intrigued by audio only surround though because those extra
speakers equal more information for your ears and more information
should be a good thing. I have a few of those quad Pentatone SACDs of
chamber music and I've been wanting to hear those extra channels.
I also have the multi-channel "Kind Of Blue" but I would guess that the
rear channels on that would be faked ambiance?

[Norman Schwartz]

"Art" <maleune...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c4-dnQflIdF6eT7N...@earthlink.com...

I think most cars today come with factory installed rear speakers. How do
you like the sound there when you play any ordinary stereo material? (It's
sort of what like all MC recordings do for me.)

[Dana John Hill]

"Jon Bell" <jtb...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:jtb5358-1E9432...@news.supernews.com...

I see you have the Bis Sibelius Edition. I'd love to get my hands on that.

[jrsnfld]

On Nov 14, 12:10 pm, "Dana John Hill" <d...@danajohnhill.com> wrote:
> "Jon Bell" <jtb5...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:jtb5358-1E9432...@news.supernews.com...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article <k7riuh$13...@usenet.osg.ufl.edu>,

> > "Dana John Hill" <d...@danajohnhill.com> wrote:
>
> >> Here's what I built (with my own two hands):
>
> >>http://www.flickr.com/photos/danajohnhill/7880820536
>
> > Beautiful!  We've never done (or had done) any custom work like that. I
> > use ready-made floorstanding shelf units for most of my collection,
> > about 5000 of them.  Here's about half of it, in our "breakfast room"
> > which we never actually eat in:
>
> >http://web.presby.edu/~jtbell/images/knottypine.jpg
>
> > This is the "Nordic/Baltic section":  the left rack contains mostly
> > Finns, Estonians, Latvians and Lithuanians, and the right rack contains
> > Danes, Norwegians, Swedes, and Icelanders.  Probably about 3/4 of the
> > discs are in Case Logic sleeves to save space.
>
> > The rest of the collection is in two other rooms of the house, with the
> > "mainstream European" countries in the living room (Germany/Austria,
> > France, Russia...)
>
> I see you have the Bis Sibelius Edition. I'd love to get my hands on that.

I think I also see Berglund's Sibelius box, but otherwise a peculiar
lack of recordings on EMI--not enough red in there!

--Jeff

[yoker]

On Nov 13, 10:43 pm, "Matthew B. Tepper" <oy @earthlink.net> wrote:

> > yoker <yoke...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 7, 12:03 pm, weary flake <wearyfl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> American Record Guide in the November issue suggests on page 49 that most
> >> of us have at least 3000 CDs, that seems to be the minimum among their
> >> writers and readers. Do you own enough, or are you dangerously
> >> underwhelmed?
>
> > You should post this question on
> > rec.music.gdead
> > and see the responses.
>
> Deadheads would probably understand completely why some of us might have,

> say, twelve different Furtw ngler Beethoven 9ths.

Exactly.

[Jon Bell]

In article
<aa1b7d48-9558-4e9a...@v3g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,

jrsnfld <jrs...@aol.com> wrote:

> On Nov 14, 12:10�pm, "Dana John Hill" <d...@danajohnhill.com> wrote:
> > "Jon Bell" <jtb5...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >

> > >http://web.presby.edu/~jtbell/images/knottypine.jpg
> >
> > > This is the "Nordic/Baltic section": �the left rack contains mostly
> > > Finns, Estonians, Latvians and Lithuanians, and the right rack contains
> > > Danes, Norwegians, Swedes, and Icelanders. �Probably about 3/4 of the
> > > discs are in Case Logic sleeves to save space.
> >

> > I see you have the Bis Sibelius Edition. I'd love to get my hands on that.

That was a "must-have" for me, because I've been a Sibelius fan since I
started listening to classical music in high school more than forty
years ago, and BIS is one of my favorite labels. Even though I already
had all their single-disc Sibelius releases, I double-dipped with the
box set, to gather everything together into a single package.

> I think I also see Berglund's Sibelius box, but otherwise a peculiar
> lack of recordings on EMI--not enough red in there!

I don't have much EMI in that area of the repertoire, and I think it's
all in sleeves now (e.g. Karajan's Sibelius). I do have several of the
EMI budget box sets in the mainstream section: Kempe's Strauss,
Jochum's Bruckner, Klemperer's Beethoven, Martinon's Debussy and Ravel.
Also some double fforte twofers.

[Art]

On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 14:53:31 -0500, "Norman Schwartz"
<nm...@optonline.net> wrote:
> I think most cars today come with factory installed rear speakers.
How do
> you like the sound there when you play any ordinary stereo
material?

It's ok, I guess. I usually adjust the fader to favor the front
speakers more.
I would hope that good surround sounds more exciting than that!

[William Sommerwerck]

>> Do you know what it is you don't like [about surround]?

> It always seemed to be so over-done. Over the top. Like there is too much
> going on. Add in the fact that most movies are either whisper quiet at
> moments and blaring loud the next moment. Needless to say, I'm not much of
> a movie watcher.

> I am intrigued by audio-only [sic] surround though, because those extra

> speakers equal more information for your ears and more information should
> be a good thing.

Most people like surround precisely because it provides so much more
information. I like being surrounded by sound.

> I have a few of those quad Pentatone SACDs of chamber music
> and I've been wanting to hear those extra channels.

You won't "hear" them. Most chamber music uses the rear channels only for
ambience. It's "audible" only when you shut it off. "POOMP!" The sound field
collapses to the front speakers.

> I also have the multi-channel "Kind Of Blue" but I would guess that the
> rear channels on that would be faked ambiance?

Don't know. As the recording dates from 1959, it's unlikely it was more than
two channels to begin with.

If you load the disk, the player's display will tell you what the available
formats are. What does it say?

[Norman Schwartz]

>
> Most people like surround precisely because it provides so much more
> information. I like being surrounded by sound.
>
>

I've been watching/listening to the BD of Abbado/Orchestra Mozart's live
performance of the Brandenburg Concerti. If one likes being surrounded by
sound, it surely 'fills the bill'. However it cannot possibly replicate the
experience of anyone seated within the audience.
>

[William Sommerwerck]

It isn't supposed to.

The question is... Does it present the music in a "valid" or "insightful"
way?

[Norman Schwartz]

>>> Most people like surround precisely because it provides so much more
>>> information. I like being surrounded by sound.
>
>> I've been watching/listening to the BD of Abbado/Orchestra Mozart's live
>> performance of the Brandenburg Concerti. If one likes being surrounded by
>> sound, it surely 'fills the bill'. However it cannot possibly replicate
>> the experience of anyone seated within the audience.
>
> It isn't supposed to.
>

Well, at the very least we (finally) agree on that!

> The question is... Does it present the music in a "valid" or "insightful"
> way?

That could be a matter of a given listener's taste and preferences. IMO the
disc is outstanding, the quality of the photography is excellent leaving
nothing to be desired, and the performers, featurung Giuliano Carmignola as
principal violin, are all attractive and a pleasure to watch. IMO the
quality of performance matches the photography in its excellence.
>

[Art]

On 11/17/2012 10:28 AM, William Sommerwerck wrote:
>
> If you load the disk, the player's display will tell you what the
> available formats are. What does it say?

All mine says when I insert the disk is "SACD". This is a DVD/SACD
player and I don't have it hooked up to a monitor. I've always just used
it in Stereo mode.
The packing on my "Kind Of Blue" claims to be multi-channel but it has
to be "faked" surround. Someday I'll get things hooked up and find out
for sure.