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Dufus

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Apr 13, 2012, 8:07:43 AM4/13/12
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Well-received Carnegie recital this week of all 3 last piano sonatas :

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/13/arts/music/mitsuko-uchida-plays-schubert-at-carnegie-hall.html?_r=1&ref=arts

"She played with crackling intensity and steely fortissimos ( D.
958 ).......all the more gripping here for the balance of sinew and
sensitivity in Ms. Uchida’s playing ( D.959 ).......Ms. Uchida’s
elegant artistic temperament brought exquisite shadings (D.960 ) ...."

My cd's of her playing the Debussy Etudes and last 3 LvB Sonatas are
treasures, but surprising she is so at home in the thicker textures of
these Schubert ? She's recorded the Schuberts as well, of course ;
accolades for those recordings as well ? Thanks.

Dufus

herman

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Apr 13, 2012, 8:31:41 AM4/13/12
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I wouldn't be too eager for such a program.

td

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Apr 13, 2012, 11:06:51 AM4/13/12
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On Apr 13, 8:31 am, herman <her...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I wouldn't be too eager for such a program.

The programme is a killer. I once heard Pollini do the same at CH. He
played every single repeat. The thing lasted 2&1/2 hours. Almost did
me in.

This, I can hear HCS saying, is the legacy of Artur Schnabel.

TD

Dufus

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Apr 13, 2012, 11:27:23 AM4/13/12
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On Apr 13, 7:31 am, herman <her...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I wouldn't be too eager for such a program.

Agreed ; 2 would be enough, but not 959,960 together. The LvB last 3
would work for me, with Op.111 alone after the Pause.
But I suppose if you are going to play 2 of the 3 , you almost need to
play the third ? So, maybe it's best one only ?
Of course, Uchida can do as she pleases ; they had to add stage seats
for this marathon.Imagine sitting in those.

Dufus

basnperson

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Apr 13, 2012, 12:05:28 PM4/13/12
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I would be 'did in' after listening to Pollini for 1/2 hour. After 2
&1/2 hours I would be dead:-) I almost died after hearing his
recital in CH years ago.........

AB

herman

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Apr 13, 2012, 1:58:37 PM4/13/12
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On 13 avr, 18:05, basnperson <abachr...@att.net> wrote:

>
> I would be 'did in' after listening to Pollini for 1/2 hour. After 2
> &1/2 hours I would be dead:-)   I almost died after hearing his
> recital in CH years ago.........
>
> AB

yeah, but that was because you were the single person in the audience
able to hear that the piano was out of tune, wasn't it?

David Fox

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Apr 13, 2012, 2:30:56 PM4/13/12
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On Apr 13, 5:07 am, Dufus <steveha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well-received Carnegie recital this week of all 3 last piano sonatas :
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/13/arts/music/mitsuko-uchida-plays-sch...
>
> "She played with crackling intensity and steely fortissimos ( D.
> 958 ).......all the more gripping here for the balance of sinew and
> sensitivity in Ms. Uchida’s playing ( D.959 ).......Ms. Uchida’s
> elegant artistic temperament brought exquisite shadings (D.960 ) ...."
>
> My cd's of her playing the Debussy Etudes and last 3 LvB Sonatas are
> treasures, but surprising she is so at home in the thicker textures of
> these Schubert ? She's recorded the Schuberts as well, of course ;
> accolades for those recordings as well ? Thanks.
>
> Dufus

I love these three sonatas as much as any music I know, but I think
programming all three in one evening is a horrible idea. I don't even
like the idea of programming TWO in one recital. If a performer wants
to perform all three, I think it's best done in three separate
recitals in combination with other Schubert piano works. I've gone to
several Op. 109-111 recitals as well. While they take less time to
perform than D.958-D.960, they are quite dense, musically and
emotionally. I prefer them served up individually as well.

This trend of performing cycles in a single evening - whether they be
Bach's Violin or Cello solo sonatas, the WTC, the Beethoven Cello
Sonatas, the Brahms Violin Sonatas, Chopin's 4 Ballades or Scherzi,
and a slew of others - makes little sense to me. They weren't written
to be performed this way and they lose something being performed one
after another after another. The forces at play to create such
programs have little to do with what I enjoy about music.

DF

Dufus

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Apr 13, 2012, 2:41:17 PM4/13/12
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>On Apr 13, 1:30 pm, David Fox <davidfox2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Or the Bartok Quartets in one , long programme ! Even Emerson did that.

fees...@gmail.com

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Apr 13, 2012, 2:49:41 PM4/13/12
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Yep, you told us a few times already :-(

mandryka

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Apr 13, 2012, 3:21:27 PM4/13/12
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I feel exactly the opposite.

I like marathons. I saw Peter Brook's Mahabarata in a day with Theatre
des Bouffes du Nord, a 9 hour long dramatisation of Dostoevsky's The
Idiot by the Mariansky Theatre (in Russian with English surtitles),
All three Henry 6s in a day in Stratford when I was a kid, all 9
Prokofiev sonatas in a day, all 6 Bach Cello Suites in a day, a 24
performance of Satie's Vexations, The Ring over five days, the
complete Années de pèlerinage in a single concert, and I've been to
concerts with the last three Schubert sonatas too, and the last three
Beethovens, and the last two Chopins too. If someone offered all 555
Scarlatti sonatas in one session I would go . . .as long as they
didn't lock the doors Werner H. Erhard style.

But anyway D958, D959 and D960 are very different from each other.



David Royko

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Apr 13, 2012, 3:17:12 PM4/13/12
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On Friday, April 13, 2012 7:07:43 AM UTC-5, Dufus wrote:
> Well-received Carnegie recital this week of all 3 last piano sonatas

I heard her do this program a few weeks ago here in Chicago. Deeply moved. And performed this beautifully, hearing all 3 in one afternoon was not only not a problem, but about as great a way to spend a Sunday afternoon as I can remember (fully clothed, anyway).

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Dufus

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Apr 13, 2012, 4:50:50 PM4/13/12
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>On Apr 13, 2:17 pm, David Royko <davidro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> but about as great a way to spend a Sunday afternoon as I can remember (fully clothed, anyway).
>

da Bears ?!

Dufus

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Apr 13, 2012, 4:55:50 PM4/13/12
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>On Apr 13, 2:21 pm, mandryka <howie.st...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> I feel exactly the opposite.
>
> I like marathons.

Here are the Beethoven 32 in 12 hours :

http://www.wqxr.org/#!/articles/wqxr-features/2011/nov/21/beethoven-sonata-marathon-reaches-thousands-listeners/

Who knows, the World may have even less time so get started ?

Dufus

basnperson

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Apr 13, 2012, 7:58:26 PM4/13/12
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you sound like a bitter old man........ is it my fault that you have a
shit ear? Don't be jealous, its unbecoming of a '
music lover'
AB

basnperson

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Apr 13, 2012, 8:00:37 PM4/13/12
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hey, have sympathy!! I have yet to recover from that experience:-)

AB

td

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Apr 13, 2012, 8:27:06 PM4/13/12
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Aw. Poor Arri. You silliness has now become the subject of jokes here.

Well, high time, in my opinion. You sensitivity to pitch is a
smokescreen for your inability to hear properly what is going on in
the music.

TD

td

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Apr 13, 2012, 8:27:55 PM4/13/12
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And you seem intent upon making all of us feel your pain.

Get thee to a nunnery!

TD

Mort

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Apr 13, 2012, 9:10:00 PM4/13/12
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Hi,

Are you aware that in the time of Shakespeare, in England, "nunnery" was
a slang expression for a bordello? Interesting.

Mort Linder

Mort

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Apr 13, 2012, 9:12:35 PM4/13/12
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I saw Ms. Uchida play the last 3 Schubert sonatas this week. She has
undeniable artistry, but to me, she played Schubert as if it were
Beethoven.

Mort Linder

JohnGavin

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Apr 13, 2012, 9:30:12 PM4/13/12
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Sounds like you're ready for Sorabji's Opus Claviercembalisticum.
>

herman

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Apr 13, 2012, 9:59:23 PM4/13/12
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On 13 avr, 21:17, David Royko <davidro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Friday, April 13, 2012 7:07:43 AM UTC-5, Dufus wrote:
> > Well-received Carnegie recital this week of all 3 last piano sonatas
>
> I heard her do this program a few weeks ago here in Chicago. Deeply moved. And performed this beautifully, hearing all 3 in one afternoon was not only not a problem, but about as great a way to spend a Sunday afternoon as I can remember (fully clothed, anyway).
>
whaddyamean? it was not a pajama & blanky thing?

mandryka

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Apr 14, 2012, 4:03:24 AM4/14/12
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Really! I didn't know that. Thanks.

Gerard

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Apr 14, 2012, 6:00:20 AM4/14/12
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Mort <mo...@cloud9.net> typed:
Does this mean that you don't like it?

wagnerfan

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Apr 14, 2012, 9:16:12 AM4/14/12
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Leakin' has used that phrase a few times here already and still
doesn't know what it means. pathetic old fool.

Wagner fan

td

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Apr 14, 2012, 10:10:30 AM4/14/12
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In his famous line "Get thee to a nunn'ry," he exhorts Ophelia to put
herself away so that she may never breed sinners like Hamlet.

Specialists in Shakespeare's bawdy language are fond of noting that
"nunnery" was common Elizabethan slang for "brothel," and that
therefore Hamlet's command is ironic and even more despairing than it
seems. The pun would accord with the paradoxical nature of the
prince's speech, but there is little evidence elsewhere in the scene
that Hamlet intends a double entendre.

TD

td

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Apr 14, 2012, 10:11:12 AM4/14/12
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On Apr 14, 9:16 am, wagnerfan <ivanmax...@gmail.com> wrote:
You do, you frustrated old queen.

TD

basnperson

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Apr 15, 2012, 6:29:11 PM4/15/12
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you are right..

AB

Dufus

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Apr 18, 2012, 10:47:30 PM4/18/12
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>On Apr 13, 7:07 am, Dufus <steveha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well-received Carnegie recital this week of all 3 last piano sonatas :

You will have an opportunity to hear her play these 3 live in one
recital from London next week :

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01ghc6k

N.B.

Dufus


Mort

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Apr 20, 2012, 5:29:15 PM4/20/12
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It means that while I respect and admire her artistry, I feel that this
Schubert recital left out the gentle grace and sparkle that I associate
with the pieces. I have been following her recitals since her remarkable
series of the complete Mozart sonatas at Tully Hall in 1991. She is very
bright, and technically well equipped. I do occasionally disagree with
her tempi and dynamics, but I am a music lover and not an artist, so it
may be considered a personal opinion.

Mort Linder

Firbank

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Apr 25, 2012, 12:51:04 PM4/25/12
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Leonskaja has also been doing recitals of 958, 959, and 960 this year,
and others of Beethoven Op. 109, 110, and 111. Several more of the
Schubert works still coming up in Lyon, Innsbruck, and other spots far
from my house:

http://tinyurl.com/87q8aml

SE.

Dufus

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Apr 25, 2012, 5:35:32 PM4/25/12
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>On Apr 13, 7:07 am, Dufus <steveha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well-received Carnegie recital this week of all 3 last piano sonatas :
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/13/arts/music/mitsuko-uchida-plays-sch...
>
> "She played with crackling intensity and steely fortissimos ( D.
> 958 ).......all the more gripping here for the balance of sinew and
> sensitivity in Ms. Uchida’s playing ( D.959 ).......Ms. Uchida’s
> elegant artistic temperament brought exquisite shadings (D.960 ) ...."

Jeremy Denk's Joycian take on Uchida's recital :
http://jeremydenk.net/blog/2012/04/23/immortal-schubert/

John Wiser

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Apr 25, 2012, 7:45:36 PM4/25/12
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"Dufus" <steve...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:00113a0e-6f3d-448e...@2g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
Not James J. which would be Joycean but
J. Carol Oates which could be Joycian.
Denk is neither,
but young and loquacious
may yet turn into old and eloquent.

JDW


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