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Aussie Eloquence Nov. 2012 - Kertesz and Abbado

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randy...@gmail.com

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Oct 8, 2012, 10:29:18 PM10/8/12
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Nice to see a slew of Kertesz reissues in the Aussie Eloquence lineup for November this year:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B009MP8KP6 - Bruckner #4/LSO (1)

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B009MP8K9W - Dvorak Requiem/Rossini Stabat Mater (2)

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B009MP8KPG - Dvorak #9 (VPO) % Wind Serenade (1)

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B009MP8M3G - Brahms Symohones & Serenades (4)

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B009MP8LPA - Dvorak Tone Poems & Overtures (2)

From Abbado's Decca legacy recordings:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B009MP8M2W - Prokofiev, Janacek, Hindemith (2)

Presto has a better content listing

http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/Australian%2BEloquence/4806611

It looks like the Buywell.com listings have been brought up to date finally.

http://www.buywell.com/cgi-bin/buywellic2/eloqnewreleases.html

randy...@gmail.com

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Oct 8, 2012, 10:35:09 PM10/8/12
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Buywell list the release dates as October 2012. I had given up on Buywell and have used Amazon and Presto to search for their new items.

I also totally agree with the statement on the Brahms description page on Buywell "Kertesz's recordings of the Brahms Serenades is one of the 1000 Finest Classical recordings ever made.". When CDs were relatively new I routinely used teh Decca Weekend Classics CD of the Serenades as an audiophile demo. It is really sad that one has to resort to imports to get that music now.


Gerard

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Oct 9, 2012, 3:16:38 AM10/9/12
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randy...@gmail.com <randy...@gmail.com> typed:
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> I also totally agree with the statement on the Brahms description
> page on Buywell "Kertesz's recordings of the Brahms Serenades is one
> of the 1000 Finest Classical recordings ever made.". When CDs were
> relatively new I routinely used teh Decca Weekend Classics CD of the
> Serenades as an audiophile demo. It is really sad that one has to
> resort to imports to get that music now.

Imo you (and Buywell) are exaggerating. Nice recordings, that's true.
They have been available (and maybe still are) during a very long time on Decca
Double.

wkasimer

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Oct 9, 2012, 10:39:20 AM10/9/12
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Actually, the two serenades were issued on two different Decca
Doubles, coupled with the symphonies. I'm not sure that they were
ever widely available in the USA, and when I went looking for them a
couple of years ago (I had the serenades, but was looking for the
symphonies), they were tough to find at anything approaching a
reasonable price. I'm glad that Kertesz' Brahms is getting another
reissue, even if I already have these recordings.

Bill

Dave Cook

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Oct 9, 2012, 2:51:30 PM10/9/12
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On 2012-10-09, randy...@gmail.com <randy...@gmail.com> wrote:

> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B009MP8KPG - Dvorak #9 (VPO) % Wind Serenade (1)

This would seem to duplicate a Japanese CD. Has the Wind Serenade
ever appeared outside of Japan before? The VPO Dvorak 9 had an AAD
issue in the Weekend Classics series.

> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B009MP8LPA - Dvorak Tone Poems & Overtures (2)

I don't remember seeing the Tone Poems before, either.

Dave Cook

rapu...@spiritone.com

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Oct 9, 2012, 3:57:21 PM10/9/12
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They were on a Decca Double, but not in the US,bought mine when I was in London a few years ago

wkasimer

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Oct 9, 2012, 4:28:20 PM10/9/12
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On Oct 9, 3:57 pm, rapun...@spiritone.com wrote:

> > I don't remember seeing the Tone Poems before, either.

> They were on a Decca Double, but not in the US,bought mine when I was in London a few years ago

It's gotten rather expensive:

http://www.amazon.com/Dvorak-Symphonic-Overtures-Variations-Cariccioso/dp/B000025WPO/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1349814427&sr=8-7&keywords=dvorak+kertesz

Bill

Gerard

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Oct 9, 2012, 4:43:48 PM10/9/12
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Dave Cook <dave...@nowhere.net> typed:
Those were issued in 1997 on a Decca Double: 452 946-2.

Steve de Mena

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Oct 9, 2012, 5:42:12 PM10/9/12
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On 10/9/12 11:51 AM, Dave Cook wrote:
> On 2012-10-09, randy...@gmail.com <randy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B009MP8KPG - Dvorak #9 (VPO) % Wind Serenade (1)
>
> Has the Wind Serenade
> ever appeared outside of Japan before?

Yes, on a Double Decca "Serenade" 466 459-2.

Steve

Steve de Mena

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Oct 9, 2012, 5:45:09 PM10/9/12
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On 10/9/12 7:39 AM, wkasimer wrote:
> On Oct 9, 3:18 am, "Gerard" <ghendr-nospam_ik...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> I also totally agree with the statement on the Brahms description
>>> page on Buywell "Kertesz's recordings of the Brahms Serenades is one
>>> of the 1000 Finest Classical recordings ever made.". When CDs were
>>> relatively new I routinely used teh Decca Weekend Classics CD of the
>>> Serenades as an audiophile demo. It is really sad that one has to
>>> resort to imports to get that music now.
>>
>> Imo you (and Buywell) are exaggerating. Nice recordings, that's true.
>> They have been available (and maybe still are) during a very long time on Decca Double.
>
> Actually, the two serenades were issued on two different Decca
> Doubles, coupled with the symphonies.

The Double Decca CD I know of with the Kertesz Dvorak Wind Serenade
was called "Serenade" and featured serenades by Tchaikovsky, Dag
Wiren, Suk, Brahms with Sir Neville Marriner and Istvan Kertesz
conducting.

Steve

Praetorius

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Oct 11, 2012, 1:01:06 AM10/11/12
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Randy Lane wrote:
>Nice to see a slew of Kertesz reissues in the Aussie Eloquence lineup for
>November this year:
>
> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B009MP8KP6 - Bruckner #4/LSO (1)
>
> [snip]
>
> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B009MP8M3G - Brahms Symohones & Serenades (4)
>
> [snip]
>
> It looks like the Buywell.com listings have been brought up to date
> finally.
>
> http://www.buywell.com/cgi-bin/buywellic2/eloqnewreleases.html

I try not to make "this-is-the-greatest" recommendations, but IMHO the
Kertesz/VPO Brahms 4th is one of the greatest recorded statements ever made
of the piece. If you love the symphony, you owe it to yourself to hear it
(Kleiber, or whoever, notwithstanding). At the price, the Eloquence set is
worth it just or the Fourth Symphony (the Serenades with the LSO are
wonderful, and the First Symphony is pretty good too, observing the first
movement repeat [if you care], as are the Haydn Variations, which the VPO
concluded conducterless after Kertesz's death in a "swimming accident").

I'll also put in a good word for his LSO Bruckner 4: maybe not
echt-mitteleurop�ishe, but a great recording nonetheless, with the mid-'60s
LSO (perhaps the best they've ever been/sounded) in top form. I paid major $
for it when issued on Testament, with no regrets.


Frank Decolvenaere
To reply by e-mail, replace NMBR with 1612.

"You are no bigger than
the things that annoy you."
Jerry Bundsen


Johannes Roehl

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Oct 11, 2012, 4:44:16 AM10/11/12
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Am 11.10.2012 07:01, schrieb Praetorius:

> I try not to make "this-is-the-greatest" recommendations, but IMHO the
> Kertesz/VPO Brahms 4th is one of the greatest recorded statements ever made
> of the piece. If you love the symphony, you owe it to yourself to hear it
> (Kleiber, or whoever, notwithstanding). At the price, the Eloquence set is
> worth it just or the Fourth Symphony (the Serenades with the LSO are
> wonderful, and the First Symphony is pretty good too, observing the first
> movement repeat [if you care], as are the Haydn Variations, which the VPO
> concluded conducterless after Kertesz's death in a "swimming accident").

Are there any rumors that his death was not an accident?

wagnerfan

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Oct 11, 2012, 7:44:54 AM10/11/12
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On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 10:44:16 +0200, Johannes Roehl <parr...@web.de>
wrote:
No.

Wagner fan

Gerard

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Oct 11, 2012, 11:58:52 AM10/11/12
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wagnerfan <ivanm...@gmail.com> typed:
How do you know?

wkasimer

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Oct 19, 2012, 9:15:18 PM10/19/12
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On Oct 8, 10:29 pm, randy.l...@gmail.com wrote:

> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B009MP8M3G-BrahmsSymohones & Serenades (4)

If anyone is exceptionally eager to get their hands on the symphonies,
check out this eBay listing (not mine):

http://www.ebay.com/itm/230865090614

Bill

Peter H.

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Oct 20, 2012, 7:07:55 AM10/20/12
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> If anyone is exceptionally eager to get their hands on the symphonies,
>
> check out this eBay listing (not mine):
>
>
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/230865090614
>
>
>
> Bill

This reissue is fortuitous for me. Just two months ago, I was going through my collection and picking out items to sell that were OOP (and therefore profitable) but also possibly ripe for reissue. This cycle was one of my selections. I listed and sold. Now it is reissued.

In the words of Monty Burns: "Excellent."

lind...@gmail.com

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Oct 20, 2012, 11:08:40 AM10/20/12
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Another fine reissue on Australian Eloquence:
Orchestral songs Richard Strauss by Siegfried Jerusalem and Gewandhausorchester Leipzig Kurt Masur, coupled with Tod und Verklarung (Death and Transfiguration) Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra Bernard Haitink.
http://www.buywell.com/cgi-bin/buywellic2/efly.html?mv_arg=01358
Hvdlinden

Steve de Mena

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Oct 21, 2012, 9:50:12 PM10/21/12
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How much did you sell them for?

Steve

Peter H.

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Oct 22, 2012, 5:37:12 AM10/22/12
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Nothing outrageous in this case. Just about the original retail price.

Steve de Mena

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Oct 22, 2012, 6:34:21 PM10/22/12
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So you could probably could have gotten the same price months from
now, after the Aussie Eloquence releases come out....?

Steve

Peter H.

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Oct 22, 2012, 6:52:15 PM10/22/12
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Perhaps.
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