<ceec...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Somewhere I have a great cartoon that shows a guy sitting in front of a
> >> > wall of
> >> > LPs, saying something like "I don't even like music; this was my
> >> > decorator's
> >> > idea." I use that line every time someone comments on our houseful of
> >> > LPs, CDs,
> >> > etc.--especially when they (inevitably) ask, "Have you *listened* to > >> > all
> >> > of
> >> > those?"
> >> Huh. My response is, "They were here when we moved in."
> > There are more buried in the basement.
> You've seen the same Charles Addams cartoon!
I think I've seen every Charles Addams cartoon. When we were kids, we
bought all the paperbacks, in college, I bought all the hardbounds in
used book stores. Now I have every issue of the New Yorker on DVD-ROM,
with a searchable index.
-Owen
"Are you unhappy, darling?"
"Oh, yes, yes! Completely."
>>> >>>> > I'm not quite ready to sell the discs though. I have
>>> >>>> > some sentimental attachment to them -- I spent a lot of
>>> >>>> > years collecting them.
>>> >>>> And that is a good thing. It's a shame that we now live
>>> >>>> in a society that shuns sentimentality in favor of
>>> >>>> convenience. Music on a hard drive may be more convenient
>>> >>>> but, to me, it's not as impressive as a wall of CDs.
>>> >>> Depends on who you're trying to impress.
>>> >>> -Owen
>>> >> True, that is why I put those two words "to me" in there.
>>> > Somewhere I have a great cartoon that shows a guy sitting in
>>> > front of a wall of
>>> > LPs, saying something like "I don't even like music; this
>>> > was my decorator's
>>> > idea." I use that line every time someone comments on our
>>> > houseful of LPs, CDs,
>>> > etc.--especially when they (inevitably) ask, "Have you
>>> > *listened* to all
>>> > of
>>> > those?"
>>> Huh. My response is, "They were here when we moved in."
>> There are more buried in the basement.
> You've seen the same Charles Addams cartoon!
> JDW
Well yeah, and since my home office in the basement, I explain to befuddled visitors that the thousands of books are there for ballast, "to keep the house from popping out of the ground." If I manage to keep a straight face, sometimes they take me seriously.
>On Apr 10, 11:41 am, Mark S <markstenr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> You do realize that there is a major distinction between arrangements
> for one piano 4 hands and 2 pianos - in the former, one player plays
> almost exclusively in the lower range of the piano while the other
> player plays in the treble end, while two pianists seated at two
> pianos can play the full range. A composer writing for either genre
> knows this and scores the music to take advantage of the particular
> situation.
Mark S <markstenr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Apr 10, 5:19 am, Dufus <steveha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Apr 9, 6:18 pm, Dufus <steveha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Anybody want to make an offer on my 2 MDG ( MGD ? ) cd sets of the
>>> German hausfrau duo-pianists playing 2 -piano versions of the Mahler
>>> 6th and 7th Symphonies ? Ought to be worth a fortune here, nicht ?
>> I spoke too soon ; the cd is still available at Amazon - US cheaply :
>> I also erred : It's not for 2 - pianos, but for piano 4-hands !!!! How
>> very thoughtful of the arranger ; after all , who has 2 pianos these
>> days. And think of the benefit for tight symphony budgets these days !
> You do realize that there is a major distinction between arrangements
> for one piano 4 hands and 2 pianos - in the former, one player plays
> almost exclusively in the lower range of the piano while the other
> player plays in the treble end, while two pianists seated at two
> pianos can play the full range. A composer writing for either genre
> knows this and scores the music to take advantage of the particular
> situation.
> BTW - Mozart wrote his music for piano 4-hands with the intent of
> playing the music with his sister. He included any number of spots
> where his hands would be asked to reach over those of his sister's on
> the keyboard, providing an affectionate touch between the two.
Good point. Most of Schubert's 4-handed music is meant for one piano as
well. Another important aspect when two players play on one piano is
agreement on pedaling. Usually, the lower-staff player handles the pedal. This is very disorienting to the upper-staff player as they can no longer
use the pedal to shape phrases or create legato as they are accustomed to.
It makes the player feel a bit naked. A great deal of cooperation and trust
is required to play this way. Also, each player is seated in an
unaccustomed position relative to the keyboard. So much of piano-playing is
based on keyboard-position familiarity. That's why most decent players can
play without looking their hands or for that matter with their eyes closed.
This "muscle memory" aspect is compromised by shifting to an unfamiliar
seated position relative to the center of the keyboard.
For these and other reasons, some players choose to play these pieces as
2-piano 4-hands. Levine and Kissin did so on their Schubert joint recital
and recording. I think it undermines the character of these pieces and the
very sound when two players don't share one set of dampers.
>>> Somewhere I have a great cartoon that shows a guy sitting in front of
>>> a wall of LPs, saying something like "I don't even like music; this
>>> was my decorator's idea." I use that line every time someone comments
>>> on our houseful of LPs, CDs, etc.--especially when they (inevitably)
>>> ask, "Have you *listened* to all of those?"
>> The late Forrest J Ackerman, who prided himself on being the world's
>> "#1 science fiction fan" (and who, unfortunately, also coined the
>> expression "sci fi"), named his home the Ackermansion, wherein he kept
>> his enormous and fabled collection of science fiction, fantasy, and
>> horror books. Whenever anybody asked him, "Have you *read* all of
>> these?" Forry would simply reply, "Every last word."
>> You guessed it: When filing a newly-acquired book on the shelf, he
>> would flip to the last page and read the very last word.
> Harlan Ellison remarked in a screenplay that there was no point to a
> personal library that contained only books you'd already read.
I doubt Harlan doesn't have a very extensive personal library, including books that he reads and rereads.
-- Matthew B. Tepper: WWW, science fiction, classical music, ducks!!
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> David Fox set the following eddies spiralling through the space-time
> continuum:
> > Ripping purchased CDs for personal use only: legal.
> > Reselling purchased CDs: legal.
> > Ripping purchased CDs and then reselling them: illegal.
> > This is one of the few laws I know in which then compound action of two
> > otherwise legal actions is considered illegal. I'll leave you to your own
> > conclusions regarding the merits of this law and/or the viability of
> > enforcement.
> Understandable though. AIUI (in the UK) the purchased CD is your licence to
> listen to the contents, whether from the CD itself, a CD-R backup copy, an
> MP3 file or any other format. Sell the CD and you sell your licence. Any
> retained copy is then unlicensed hence illegal.
> To the OP regarding the overflowing shelf space, buy yourself some of the
> specially designed zip-around binders. The largest ones can hold 240 or
> more CD's, four discs to a "page". Keep the booklets and the back title
> cards, and sell or recycle the empty jewel cases. The binders will take up
> much less shelf space.
> --
> ξ: ) Proud to be curly
> Interchange the alphabetic letter groups to reply
I trust this means that the licence conferred by purchasing an LP or
78 also transfers to any digital recording you might have in any
format, however obtained. (Big sigh of relief for UK members)!
Richard
On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:18:50 -0700, Thornhill wrote:
> On Apr 10, 1:07 pm, Art <maleunemplo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 09 Apr 2012 15:05:24 -0700, Thornhill wrote:
>> > I'm not quite ready to sell the discs though. I have some sentimental
>> > attachment to them -- I spent a lot of years collecting them.
>> And that is a good thing. It's a shame that we now live in a society
>> that shuns sentimentality in favor of convenience. Music on a hard
>> drive may be more convenient but, to me, it's not as impressive as a
>> wall of CDs.
> I don't think it's shunning sentimentality. Part of it is convenience.
> I've moved three times since 2009; not having to transport my CD
> collection would have saved me hundreds of dollars.
I understand that. I have yet to move my whole collection yet again soon and the thought has crossed my mind to ditch the CDs, but those CDs represent alot of time researching, flipping through bins, placing orders online, years of expanding my tastes and knowledge, etc. There's just too much of me in there to give it all up.
O wrote:
> I think I've seen every Charles Addams cartoon. When we were kids, we
> bought all the paperbacks, in college, I bought all the hardbounds in
> used book stores. Now I have every issue of the New Yorker on DVD-ROM,
> with a searchable index.
Keep the books! Not all of his cartoons were originally presented in TNY.
> >>> Huh. My response is, "They were here when we moved in."
> >> There are more buried in the basement.
> > You've seen the same Charles Addams cartoon!
> > JDW
> Well yeah, and since my home office in the basement, I explain to befuddled > visitors that the thousands of books are there for ballast, "to keep the house > from popping out of the ground." If I manage to keep a straight face, sometimes > they take me seriously.
It's that damn spongy soil. It's like a coiled steel spring. Launched
a house 25 feet in the air last summer, landed on a state truck. The
two inside were killed instantly, in their sleep.
Matthew B. Tepper <oyþ@earthlink.net> wrote:
> "William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgee...@comcast.net> appears to have caused
> the following letters to be typed in news:jm23v6$9ql$1@dont-email.me:
> >>> Somewhere I have a great cartoon that shows a guy sitting in front of
> >>> a wall of LPs, saying something like "I don't even like music; this
> >>> was my decorator's idea." I use that line every time someone comments
> >>> on our houseful of LPs, CDs, etc.--especially when they (inevitably)
> >>> ask, "Have you *listened* to all of those?"
> >> The late Forrest J Ackerman, who prided himself on being the world's
> >> "#1 science fiction fan" (and who, unfortunately, also coined the
> >> expression "sci fi"), named his home the Ackermansion, wherein he kept
> >> his enormous and fabled collection of science fiction, fantasy, and
> >> horror books. Whenever anybody asked him, "Have you *read* all of
> >> these?" Forry would simply reply, "Every last word."
> >> You guessed it: When filing a newly-acquired book on the shelf, he
> >> would flip to the last page and read the very last word.
> > Harlan Ellison remarked in a screenplay that there was no point to a
> > personal library that contained only books you'd already read.
> I doubt Harlan doesn't have a very extensive personal library, including > books that he reads and rereads.
My single criteria on whether a keep a book is whether I think I'll
ever read it or refer to it again. I still keep a lot of books.
> >> The late Forrest J Ackerman, who prided himself on being the world's
> >> "#1 science fiction fan" (and who, unfortunately, also coined the
> >> expression "sci fi"), named his home the Ackermansion, wherein he kept
> >> his enormous and fabled collection of science fiction, fantasy, and
> >> horror books. Whenever anybody asked him, "Have you *read* all of
> >> these?" Forry would simply reply, "Every last word."
> >> You guessed it: When filing a newly-acquired book on the shelf, he
> >> would flip to the last page and read the very last word.
> > Harlan Ellison remarked in a screenplay that there was no point to a
> > personal library that contained only books you'd already read.
> I doubt Harlan doesn't have a very extensive personal library, including
> books that he reads and rereads.
> Matthew B. Tepper: WWW, science fiction, classical music, ducks!!
Well, who admits to having read this author:
J.-H. Rosny aine: ‘Three Science Fiction Novellas: From Prehistory to
the End of Mankind’
<"richard.simn...@gmail.com"> wrote:
> On Apr 10, 3:29 pm, Curlytop <pvstownsend.zyx....@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> > David Fox set the following eddies spiralling through the space-time
> > continuum:
> > > Ripping purchased CDs for personal use only: legal.
> > > Reselling purchased CDs: legal.
> > > Ripping purchased CDs and then reselling them: illegal.
> > > This is one of the few laws I know in which then compound action of two
> > > otherwise legal actions is considered illegal. I'll leave you to your own
> > > conclusions regarding the merits of this law and/or the viability of
> > > enforcement.
> > Understandable though. AIUI (in the UK) the purchased CD is your licence to
> > listen to the contents, whether from the CD itself, a CD-R backup copy, an
> > MP3 file or any other format. Sell the CD and you sell your licence. Any
> > retained copy is then unlicensed hence illegal.
> > To the OP regarding the overflowing shelf space, buy yourself some of the
> > specially designed zip-around binders. The largest ones can hold 240 or
> > more CD's, four discs to a "page". Keep the booklets and the back title
> > cards, and sell or recycle the empty jewel cases. The binders will take up
> > much less shelf space.
> > --
> > ?: ) Proud to be curly
> > Interchange the alphabetic letter groups to reply
> I trust this means that the licence conferred by purchasing an LP or
> 78 also transfers to any digital recording you might have in any
> format, however obtained. (Big sigh of relief for UK members)!
> Richard
Alternatively, what happens when you buy a downloaded file? No
license? Are purchased CD sold with licenses in the UK (or licences?)
-- Matthew B. Tepper: WWW, science fiction, classical music, ducks!!
Read about "Proty" here: http://home.earthlink.net/~oy/proty.html To write to me, do for my address what Androcles did for the lion
Opinions expressed here are not necessarily those of my employers.
> My single criteria on whether a keep a book is whether I think I'll
> ever read it or refer to it again. I still keep a lot of books.
Just think, if one of those books were a dictionary, you might have used the word "criterion"!
-- Matthew B. Tepper: WWW, science fiction, classical music, ducks!!
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Opinions expressed here are not necessarily those of my employers.
> In article <XnsA031AD9748E6Damcooperoptonline...@209.197.15.254>, Alan
> Cooper <amcoo...@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:
>> Well yeah, and since my home office in the basement, I explain to
>> befuddled visitors that the thousands of books are there for ballast,
>> "to keep the house from popping out of the ground." If I manage to
>> keep a straight face, sometimes they take me seriously.
> It's that damn spongy soil. It's like a coiled steel spring. Launched
> a house 25 feet in the air last summer, landed on a state truck. The
> two inside were killed instantly, in their sleep.
So they were still asleep in the time it took for their house to be hurled 25 feet in the air and come down again? They must have been from California.
We sleep through earthquakes.
-- Matthew B. Tepper: WWW, science fiction, classical music, ducks!!
Read about "Proty" here: http://home.earthlink.net/~oy/proty.html To write to me, do for my address what Androcles did for the lion
Opinions expressed here are not necessarily those of my employers.
On 11 avr, 07:50, "Matthew B. Tepper" <oyþ@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > It's that damn spongy soil. It's like a coiled steel spring. Launched
> > a house 25 feet in the air last summer, landed on a state truck. The
> > two inside were killed instantly, in their sleep.
> So they were still asleep in the time it took for their house to be hurled 25
> feet in the air and come down again? They must have been from California.
> We sleep through earthquakes.
> --
Clearly you have not checked the news. The two casualties were the
Parks Dpt employees, sound asleep in their truck.
> Well yeah, and since my home office in the basement, I explain to
> befuddled visitors that the thousands of books are there for ballast,
> "to keep the house from popping out of the ground." If I manage to
> keep a straight face, sometimes they take me seriously.
Coincidentally, one modern form of house construction (dating from the 19th
century) uses a light wood frame, and was derisively dubbed "balloon"
construction.
On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 11:17:50 +0200, Kirk McElhearn wrote:
> On 2012-04-10 18:18:50 +0000, Thornhill <seth.l...@gmail.com> said:
>> I don't think it's shunning sentimentality. Part of it is convenience.
>> I've moved three times since 2009; not having to transport my CD
>> collection would have saved me hundreds of dollars.
> Not just the money, but think of the time to pack and unpack them, and
> to re-order them on the shelves.
On Apr 11, 7:38 am, Art <maleunemplo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 11:17:50 +0200, Kirk McElhearn wrote:
> > On 2012-04-10 18:18:50 +0000, Thornhill <seth.l...@gmail.com> said:
> >> I don't think it's shunning sentimentality. Part of it is convenience.
> >> I've moved three times since 2009; not having to transport my CD
> >> collection would have saved me hundreds of dollars.
> > Not just the money, but think of the time to pack and unpack them, and
> > to re-order them on the shelves.
> > Kirk
> What fun is any hobby without a little hassle?
It depends on what you think your hobby is. Mine is enjoying music.
All of the rest is merely a means to an end.
In article <d108a48e-f605-47f3-a036-5ab09084b...@b2g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
David Fox <davidfox2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Also, I'm not using this setup to power my main music system. I have > a much nicer player (Logitech Transporter) which is used to as both > receiver and DAC in my music room.
Ah.
> I bought the Turtle Beach USB > device to create another (cheap) playback option for my family room > utilizing the DAC already in my home theater receiver. If somebody's > looking for an easy optical connection for a non-SOTA system, the > Turtle Beach card is just fine.
Undoubtedly. The case is foreign to me (so is home theater), but it makes sense.
On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 08:27:23 -0700, David Fox wrote:
> On Apr 11, 7:38 am, Art <maleunemplo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 11:17:50 +0200, Kirk McElhearn wrote:
>> > On 2012-04-10 18:18:50 +0000, Thornhill <seth.l...@gmail.com> said:
>> >> I don't think it's shunning sentimentality. Part of it is
>> >> convenience. I've moved three times since 2009; not having to
>> >> transport my CD collection would have saved me hundreds of dollars.
>> > Not just the money, but think of the time to pack and unpack them,
>> > and to re-order them on the shelves.
>> > Kirk
>> What fun is any hobby without a little hassle?
> It depends on what you think your hobby is. Mine is enjoying music. All
> of the rest is merely a means to an end.
> DF
Fair enough. I enjoy music also but I also like the physical materials that reproduce the music which includes audio equipment and the software
(CDs, LPs, even tapes). I suppose there is room for every taste and inclination. I just hope that the interests of those of us who still prefer physical media will be represented for at least few more years.
> >> > You can buy binders to store the disks and inserts, and discard the
> >> > jewel cases.
> >> Which will make them all the more difficult to sell when the time comes.
> >Does anyone have any real-world experience selling such discs? I have
> >a rather large collection and have transferred most single CD's into
> >Jazzloft plastic sleeves in order to save space.
> I don't know the answer to your question, but at the San Francisco Bay Area
> Rasputin stores, I see many used CDs for sale that do not have booklets or
> jewel-
> box inserts. Those CDs are usually going for $2-3. I've never bought one. It
> looks like Rasputin is willing to buy them, but they're probably paying very
> very
> little for them.
I've bought such discs once or twice, usually for a dollar. That tells
me Rasputins and similar stores are paying a quarter for the privilege
of selling--a significant reduction in value. On the other hand, does
anyone who loves music collect CDs because of resale value?
> > Tell me about it. I'm probably going to cull maybe 100 of my 6,000 before
> > moving into a new apartment with my intended. It's still gonna hurt.
> Does your intended know she's marrying 6,000 CDs?
When I got married 24 years ago, my intended knew I was into classical music, but I had only a few hundred "units" (CDs and LPs) then, not the 6000 or so that I have now. She's been remarakbly tolerant of the CD racks that have sprouted up in three roome since then. At least that physical growth has now stopped, as I rip CDs to hard disk. It will at least a year (probably more) before I can get rid of one of the CD racks, though.
In article <652dac7f-e2d7-4105-b27a-a71491370...@js1g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
John Thomas <abrasax...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Only 3,000? It requires at least 6,000 CD's and a $20,000 sound
> system to qualify for membership in r.m.c.r.
According to my database, my collection contains 6095 "units" which are mostly CDs but also includes LPs and CD-equivalent downloads. But my sound system is probably only about $3000 including the TV which I need to watch my opera DVDs and Blu-rays, and use the menus on the Apple TV that I use for streaming music (downloads and ripped CDs) from my Mac.
So far, as I rip my CDs and scan the booklets, I've been removing them from my CD racks and storing them in shoeboxes in the back of a closet.
But I've ripped less than 10% of them so far.
On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 04:01:42 -0700, Kirk McElhearn wrote
(in article <4f880796$0$1683$426a3...@news.free.fr>):
> On 2012-04-13 05:37:14 +0000, Jon Bell <jtb5...@yahoo.com> said:
>> So far, as I rip my CDs and scan the booklets, I've been removing them
>> from my CD racks and storing them in shoeboxes in the back of a closet.
>> But I've ripped less than 10% of them so far.
> Before scanning, you might want to see if the label has the booklet > available for download. Not many do this yet, but Hyperion, for > example, offers all of theirs in PDF format.
