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Vladimir Horowitz Live At Carnegie Hall
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woytek
May 10, 2013, 2:38:24 PM5/10/13
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season for piano boxes continuous, 42 CDs
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Vladimir-Horowitz-Live-Carnegie-Hall/dp/B00BT70J6S/ref=sr_1_4?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1368210891&sr=1-4
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Vladimir-Horowitz-Live-Carnegie-Hall/dp/B00BT70J6S/ref=sr_1_4?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1368210891&sr=1-4
td
May 11, 2013, 8:10:41 AM5/11/13
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On May 10, 2:38 pm, woytek <bar...@op.pl> wrote:
> season for piano boxes continuous, 42 CDshttp://www.amazon.co.uk/Vladimir-Horowitz-Live-Carnegie-Hall/dp/B00BT...
WHAT can this possibly be? There are not enough issued CDs from
Carnegie Hall to fill 42 CDs.
Is this a new issue, including ALL of Horowitz's CH concerts?
TD
> season for piano boxes continuous, 42 CDshttp://www.amazon.co.uk/Vladimir-Horowitz-Live-Carnegie-Hall/dp/B00BT...
WHAT can this possibly be? There are not enough issued CDs from
Carnegie Hall to fill 42 CDs.
Is this a new issue, including ALL of Horowitz's CH concerts?
TD
Mandryka
May 11, 2013, 10:33:31 AM5/11/13
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on an Italian label called Capital Musica
If it does and if it has been remastered, I'd be interested,
woytek
May 11, 2013, 1:24:43 PM5/11/13
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looks really impressing
David Fox
May 11, 2013, 1:40:32 PM5/11/13
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These companies are geniuses at concocting ways to force us to re-buy
dozens of CD's that we've already re-bought multiple times over the
years in order to acquire new material. On balance (especially given
current megabox pricing) I think there's much more to be happy about
than to complain about. Ten years ago, how much would we have been
willing to pay for the better part of the Yale and Carnegie Hall
Horowitz sound archives in a single box?
DF
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May 11, 2013, 1:59:10 PM5/11/13
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Henk
Frank Lekens
May 11, 2013, 2:09:29 PM5/11/13
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On 11-5-2013 19:59, HvT wrote:
> <g> I'm afraid it is a must ...
>
> Henk
Stop saying that. They'll raise the price.
> <g> I'm afraid it is a must ...
>
> Henk
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Matthew B. Tepper
May 11, 2013, 2:51:24 PM5/11/13
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woytek <bar...@op.pl> appears to have caused the following letters to be
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> here are the details:
> http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/Vladimir-Horowitz-Life-at-Ca
> rnegie-Hall/hnum/3457492 looks really impressing
Finally, the 1968 CBS-TV recital! A meh-quality video has been available
"unofficially," but I'm looking forward to this official one.
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> here are the details:
> http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/Vladimir-Horowitz-Life-at-Ca
> rnegie-Hall/hnum/3457492 looks really impressing
"unofficially," but I'm looking forward to this official one.
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Gerard
May 11, 2013, 2:59:17 PM5/11/13
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David Fox <davidf...@yahoo.com> typed:
> On 5/11/13 10:24 AM, woytek wrote:
> > On 11 Maj, 14:10, td <tomdedea...@mac.com> wrote:
> > > On May 10, 2:38 pm, woytek <bar...@op.pl> wrote:
> > >
> > > > season for piano boxes continuous, 42
> > > >
CDshttp://www.amazon.co.uk/Vladimir-Horowitz-Live-Carnegie-Hall/dp/B00BT...
> > >
> > > WHAT can this possibly be? There are not enough issued CDs from
> > > Carnegie Hall to fill 42 CDs.
> > >
> > > Is this a new issue, including ALL of Horowitz's CH concerts?
> > >
> > > TD
> >
> > here are the details:
> >
http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/Vladimir-Horowitz-Life-at-Carnegie-Hall/hnum/3457492
> > looks really impressing
> >
>
> Wow! This looks like a "must" for Horowitz fans.
>
> These companies are geniuses at concocting ways to force us to re-buy
> dozens of CD's that we've already re-bought multiple times over the
> years in order to acquire new material.
Make that: some of us.
> > On 11 Maj, 14:10, td <tomdedea...@mac.com> wrote:
> > > On May 10, 2:38 pm, woytek <bar...@op.pl> wrote:
> > >
> > > > season for piano boxes continuous, 42
> > > >
CDshttp://www.amazon.co.uk/Vladimir-Horowitz-Live-Carnegie-Hall/dp/B00BT...
> > >
> > > WHAT can this possibly be? There are not enough issued CDs from
> > > Carnegie Hall to fill 42 CDs.
> > >
> > > Is this a new issue, including ALL of Horowitz's CH concerts?
> > >
> > > TD
> >
> > here are the details:
> >
http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/Vladimir-Horowitz-Life-at-Carnegie-Hall/hnum/3457492
> > looks really impressing
> >
>
> Wow! This looks like a "must" for Horowitz fans.
>
> These companies are geniuses at concocting ways to force us to re-buy
> dozens of CD's that we've already re-bought multiple times over the
> years in order to acquire new material.
graham
May 11, 2013, 3:04:04 PM5/11/13
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"woytek" <bar...@op.pl> wrote in message
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But how many damn versions of Traumeri are there?
David Fox
May 11, 2013, 4:32:36 PM5/11/13
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such foolishness. Hmmmm...41 discs + 1 DVD....many complete
recitals....it was his standard second-to-last encore in practically
every recital he gave....he also programmed Kinderszenen over the
years....I'll open the market at 18. What number "handcuffs" the market
(i.e. attracts an equal number of over/under bets)? Answer "over" or
"under" to 18 and we'll figure that out. Or, some killjoy will find the
complete contents online and actually count them.
If 18 is the mark I'm ever-so-slightly inclined toward the "over".
DF
ken...@hotmail.com
May 11, 2013, 9:46:13 PM5/11/13
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On Friday, May 10, 2013 1:38:24 PM UTC-5, woytek wrote:
> season for piano boxes continuous, 42 CDs
>
> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Vladimir-Horowitz-Live-Carnegie-Hall/dp/B00BT70J6S/ref=sr_1_4?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1368210891&sr=1-4
I'm on board. There's too much good material here to pass up. These should fly off the shelves.
> season for piano boxes continuous, 42 CDs
>
> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Vladimir-Horowitz-Live-Carnegie-Hall/dp/B00BT70J6S/ref=sr_1_4?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1368210891&sr=1-4
Matthew B. Tepper
May 12, 2013, 10:13:14 AM5/12/13
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David Fox <davidf...@yahoo.com> appears to have caused the following
letters to be typed in news:jNWdnUHkMuS0NhPM...@giganews.com:
> That would make an excellent over/under bet for those of us inclined to
> such foolishness. Hmmmm...41 discs + 1 DVD....many complete recitals....
> it was his standard second-to-last encore in practically every recital he
> gave....he also programmed Kinderszenen over the years....I'll open the
> market at 18. What number "handcuffs" the market (i.e. attracts an equal
> number of over/under bets)? Answer "over" or "under" to 18 and we'll
> figure that out. Or, some killjoy will find the complete contents online
> and actually count them.
>
> If 18 is the mark I'm ever-so-slightly inclined toward the "over".
I imagine there are more than a few performances of Moszkowski's
"Etincelles," too!
It just occurred to me that this box could, to quote from the opening
narrative of the old TV show "Quantum Leap," "put right what once went
wrong," in that one of the Columbia Masterworks double LPs of one of these
recitals contained a note saying that the encores had also been recorded
and would be issued later. I printed "LIE!" in pencil next to that remark,
and I suppose whoever owns those LPs can probably erase it now.
letters to be typed in news:jNWdnUHkMuS0NhPM...@giganews.com:
> That would make an excellent over/under bet for those of us inclined to
> such foolishness. Hmmmm...41 discs + 1 DVD....many complete recitals....
> it was his standard second-to-last encore in practically every recital he
> gave....he also programmed Kinderszenen over the years....I'll open the
> market at 18. What number "handcuffs" the market (i.e. attracts an equal
> number of over/under bets)? Answer "over" or "under" to 18 and we'll
> figure that out. Or, some killjoy will find the complete contents online
> and actually count them.
>
> If 18 is the mark I'm ever-so-slightly inclined toward the "over".
"Etincelles," too!
It just occurred to me that this box could, to quote from the opening
narrative of the old TV show "Quantum Leap," "put right what once went
wrong," in that one of the Columbia Masterworks double LPs of one of these
recitals contained a note saying that the encores had also been recorded
and would be issued later. I printed "LIE!" in pencil next to that remark,
and I suppose whoever owns those LPs can probably erase it now.
td
May 12, 2013, 2:09:00 PM5/12/13
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TD
Ricky Jimenez
May 12, 2013, 2:46:25 PM5/12/13
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On Sun, 12 May 2013 11:09:00 -0700 (PDT), td <tomde...@mac.com>
wrote:
How many works for which previous Horowitz recordings have not been
released previously? I know he used to play the Brahms Paganini
Variations, Schumann Sonatas 1 and 2, Chopin 3rd sonata. Anything
like that?
wrote:
released previously? I know he used to play the Brahms Paganini
Variations, Schumann Sonatas 1 and 2, Chopin 3rd sonata. Anything
like that?
woytek
May 12, 2013, 5:51:37 PM5/12/13
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Program of the complete recitals from the box:
Source: http://vladimirhorowitz.hostzi.com/1_4_Concertography.html
April 25, 1943: Carnegie Hall, New York City, New York
Tchaikovsky: Piano Concerto No.1 in B-flat minor, Op.23
January 17, 1949: Carnegie Hall, New York City, New York
Bach: Toccata and Fugue in C minor, BWV 911
Clementi: Sonata in A major (mislabeled as "Op.36 No.1")
Schumann: Arabesque, Op.18
Chopin: Sonata No.2 in B-flat minor, Op.35
Prokofiev: Intermezzo and Valse-Lente from Cinderella, Op.95
Rachmaninoff: Etude-Tableau in E-flat minor, Op.39 No.5
Rachmaninoff: Etude-Tableau in D major, Op.39 No.9
Debussy: Etude No.4 (Pour les sixtes)
Debussy: Etude No.1 (Pour les cinq doigts - d'après Monsieur
Czerny)
Scriabin: Etude in C-sharp minor, Op.2 No.1
Liszt/Horowitz: Hungarian Rhapsody No.15 (Rakóczy March)
Encores:
Scarlatti: Sonata in E major, K.380
Moszkowski: Etude A-flat major, Op.72 No.11
Chopin: Waltz in A minor, Op.34 No.2
Horowitz: Carmen Variations
February 21, 1949: Carnegie Hall, New York City, New York
Mendelssohn: Song without words in B-flat major, Op.67 No.3
Mendelssohn: Song without words in B minor, Op.67 No.5 (Shepherd's
Complaint)
Mendelssohn: Song without words in D major, Op.85 No.4 (Elegie)
Beethoven: Sonata in D major, Op.10 No.3
Scriabin: Poème in F-sharp major, Op.32 No.1
Scriabin: Vers la flamme, Op.72
Kabalevsky: Preludes, Op.38 Nos. 1, 22, 17, 16, 8 & 24
Chopin: Mazurka in E minor, Op.41 No.2
Chopin: Mazurka in C-sharp minor, Op.30 No.4
Chopin: Mazurka in F minor, Op.7 No.3
Chopin: Ballade No.3 in A-flat major, Op.47
Liszt: Sonetto 104 del Petrarca
Liszt: Valse Oubliée No.1
Liszt/Horowitz: Hungarian Rhapsody No.15 (Rakóczy March)
Encores:
Scriabin: Etude in C-sharp minor, Op.2 No.1
Clementi: Rondo from the Sonata in B-flat major, Op.47 No.2
Brahms: Waltz in A-flat major, Op.39 No.15
Moszkowski: Etude in A-flat major, Op.72 No.11
Sousa/Horowitz: Stars and Stripes Forever
March 20, 1950: Carnegie Hall, New York City, New York
Clementi: Allegro con brio (1st mvt) from the Sonata in B-flat
major, Op.24 No.2
Clementi: Un poco andante, quasi allegretto (2nd mvt) from the
Sonata in C major, Op.34 No.1
Clementi: Rondo from the Sonata in B-flat major, Op.47 No.2
Mendelssohn: Variations Sérieuses, Op.54
Schumann: Blumenstück, Op.19
Barber: Sonata in E-flat minor, Op.26
Chopin: Ballade No.3 in A-flat major, Op.47
Chopin: Etude in C-sharp minor, Op.25 No.7
Chopin: Andante Spianato & Grande Polonaise Brillante, Op.22
Chopin: Nocturne in F minor, Op.55 No.1
Prokofiev: Toccata, Op.11
Encores:
Scarlatti: Sonata in E major, K.380
Scriabin: Etude in C-sharp minor, Op.2 No.1
Chopin: Waltz in C-sharp minor, Op.64 No.2
Horowitz: Carmen Variations
March 5, 1951: Carnegie Hall, New York City, New York
Schumann: Variations on a theme by Clara Wieck, Op.14
Mozart: Sonata in B-flat major, K.333
Prokofiev: Sonata No.7 in B-flat major, Op.83
Chopin: Mazurka in B-flat minor, Op.24 No.4
Chopin: Polonaise in C-sharp minor, Op.26 No.1
Chopin: Polonaise in A major, Op.40 No.1 (Military)
Chopin: Etude in E-flat minor, Op.10 No.6
Chopin: Etude in C-sharp minor, Op.10 No.4
Chopin: Grande Valse Brillante, Op.34 No.2
Liszt: Valse Oubliée No.1
Liszt: Hungarian Rhapsody No.6 in D-flat major
Encores:
Scarlatti: Sonata in A major, K.322
Mendelssohn: Song without words in G major, Op.62 No.1 (May
Breezes)
Scriabin: Etude in C-sharp minor, Op.2 No.1
Moszkowski: Etincelles, Op.36 No.6
April 23, 1951: Carnegie Hall, New York City, New York
Haydn: Sonata in E-flat major, Hob. XVI:52
Brahms: Intermezzo in B-flat minor, Op.117 No.2
Chopin: Polonaise-Fantaisie in A-flat major, Op.61
Chopin: Barcarolle in F-sharp major, Op.60
Chopin: Nocturne in F minor, Op.55 No.1
Chopin: Scherzo No.1 in B minor, Op.20
Mussorgsky: Pictures at an Exhibition (Edited by Horowitz)
Encores:
Scarlatti: Sonata in E major, K.380 (L.23)
Schumann: Träumerei, Op.15 No.7
Moszkowski: Etincelles, Op.36 No.6
Sousa/Horowitz: The Stars and Stripes Forever
January 12, 1953: Carnegie Hall, New York City, New York [Horowitz's
Silver Jubilee Concert - on the day 25 years since his American debut
with Sir Thomas Beecham]
Tchaikovsky: Piano Concerto No.1 in B-flat minor, Op.23
February 25, 1953: Carnegie Hall, New York City, New York [last
public appearance for more than 12 years]
Brahms: Rhapsody in E-flat major, Op.119 No.4
Schubert: Sonata in B-flat major, D.960
Chopin: Nocturne in E minor, Op.72 No.1
Chopin: Scherzo No.1 in B minor, Op.20
Scriabin: Sonata No.9, Op.68 (The Black Mass)
Scriabin: Etude in B-flat minor, Op.8 No.11
Scriabin: Etude in C-sharp minor, Op.42 No.5
Debussy: The Little Shepherd
Debussy: Serenade for the Doll
Liszt/Horowitz: Hungarian Rhapsody No.2 in C-sharp minor
Encores:
Chopin: Waltz in A minor, Op.34 No.2
Clementi: Rondo from the Sonata in B-flat major, Op.47 No.2
Prokofiev: Precipitato from Sonata No.7 in B-flat major, Op.83
May 9, 1965: Carnegie Hall, New York City, New York [Horowitz's first
public appearance in 12 years]
Bach/Busoni: Toccata, Adagio & Fugue in C major, BWV 564
Schumann: Fantasie in C major, Op.17
Scriabin: Sonata No.9, Op.68 (The Black Mass)
Scriabin: Poème in F-sharp major, Op.32 No.1
Chopin: Mazurka in C-sharp minor, Op.30 No.4
Chopin: Etude in F major, Op.10 No.8
Chopin: Ballade No.1 in G minor, Op.23
Encores:
Debussy: Serenade for the Doll
Scriabin: Etude in C-sharp minor, Op.2 No.1
Moszkowski: Etude in A-flat major, Op.72 No.11
Schumann: Träumerei, Op.15 No.7
April 17, 1966: Carnegie Hall, New York City, New York
Scarlatti: Sonata in F minor, K.481 (L.187)
Beethoven: 32 Variations in C minor, WoO 80
Mozart: Sonata in A major, K.331
Scriabin: Sonata No.10, Op.70
Chopin: Polonaise-Fantaisie in A-flat major, Op.61
Chopin: Mazurka in B minor, Op.33 No.4
Chopin: Nocturne in E minor, Op.72 No.1
Chopin: Scherzo No.1 in B minor, Op.20
Encores:
Mendelssohn: Song without Words Op.67 No.5
Liszt: Valse Oubliee No.1
Rachmaninoff: Etude-Tableau Op.39 No.9
November 27, 1966: Carnegie Hall, New York City, New York
Haydn: Sonata in F major, Hob. XVI:23
Schumann: Blumenstück, Op.19
Chopin: Sonata No.2 in B-flat minor, Op.35
Debussy: Prelude No.5 from Book II (Bruyères)
Debussy: Prelude No.4 from Book II (Les fées sont d'exquises
danseuses)
Debussy: Prelude No.7 from Book II (La terrasse des audiences du
clair de lune)
Debussy: L'Isle Joyeuse
Liszt: Vallée d'Obermann
Encores:
Scarlatti: Sonata in E major, K.380
Rachmaninoff: Prelude in G-sharp minor, Op.32 No.12
Chopin: Waltz in C-sharp minor, Op.64 No.2
Rachmaninoff: Etude-Tableau in D major, Op.39 No.9
December 10, 1966: Carnegie Hall, New York City, New York
Haydn: Sonata in F major, Hob. XVI:23
Schumann: Blumenstück, Op.19
Chopin: Sonata No.2 in B-flat minor, Op.35
Debussy: Prelude No.5 from Book II (Bruyères)
Debussy: Prelude No.4 from Book II (Les fées sont d'exquises
danseuses)
Debussy: Prelude No.7 from Book II (La terrasse des audiences du
clair de lune)
Debussy: L'Isle Joyeuse
Liszt: Vallée d'Obermann
Encores:
Chopin: Mazurka in F minor, Op,7 No.3
Rachmaninoff: Prelude in G major, Op.32 No.5
Poulenc: Toccata in C major
Chopin: Waltz in C-sharp minor, Op.64 No.2
January 2, 1968: Carnegie Hall, New York City, New York [Invited
audience]
Chopin: Polonaise in F-sharp minor, Op.44
Chopin: Nocturne in F minor, Op.55 No.1
Chopin: Ballade No.1 in G minor, Op.23
Scarlatti: Sonata in E major, K.380
Scarlatti: Sonata in G major, K.55
Schumann: Arabeske, Op.18
Scriabin: Etude in D-sharp minor, Op.8 No.12
Encores:
Schumann: Träumerei, Op.15 No.7
Horowitz: Carmen Variations
February 1, 1968: Carnegie Hall, New York City, New York [Invited
audience]
Chopin: Polonaise in F-sharp minor, Op.44
Chopin: Nocturne in F minor, Op.55 No.1
Chopin: Ballade No.1 in G minor, Op.23
Scarlatti: Sonata in E major, K.380
Scarlatti: Sonata in G major, K.55
Schumann: Arabeske, Op.18
Scriabin: Etude in D-sharp minor, Op.8 No.12
Encores:
Schumann: Träumerei, Op.15 No.7
Horowitz: Carmen Variations
November 24, 1968: Carnegie Hall, New York City, New York
Haydn: Sonata in C major, Hob. XVI:48
Schumann: Kreisleriana, Op.16
Rachmaninoff: Prelude in G-sharp minor, Op.32 No.12
Rachmaninoff: Moment Musical No.3 in B minor, Op.16 No.3
Rachmaninoff: Sonata No.2 in B-flat minor, Op.36 (Edited by
Horowitz)*
Encores:
Debussy: Serenade for the Doll
Liszt: Au bord d'une source
Chopin: Waltz in C-sharp minor, Op.64 No.2
Moszkowski: Etude in F major, Op.72 No.6
December 15, 1968: Carnegie Hall, New York City, New York
Haydn: Sonata in C major, Hob. XVI:48
Schumann: Kreisleriana, Op.16
Rachmaninoff: Prelude in G-sharp minor, Op.32 No.12
Rachmaninoff: Moment Musical No.3 in B minor, Op.16 No.3
Rachmaninoff: Sonata No.2 in B-flat minor, Op.36 (Edited by
Horowitz)
Encores:
Chopin: Waltz in A minor, Op.34 No.2
Liszt: Au bord d'une source
Moszkovski: Etude in F major, Op.72 No.6
November 16, 1975: Carnegie Hall, New York City, New York
Schumann: Blumenstück, Op.19
Schumann: Sonata No.3 in F minor, Op.14
Rachmaninoff: Prelude in G major, Op.32 No.5
Rachmaninoff: Etude-Tableau in E-flat minor, Op.39 No.5
Liszt: Valse Oubliée No.1
Liszt: Au bord d'une source
Chopin: Waltz in A minor, Op.34 No.2
Chopin: Scherzo No.1 in B minor, Op.20
Encores:
Debussy: Serenade for the Doll
Schumann: Träumerei, Op.15 No.7
Moszkowski: Etincelles, Op.36 No.6
Rachmaninoff: Etude-Tableau in D major, Op.39 No.9
November 23, 1975: Carnegie Hall, New York City, New York
Schumann: Blumenstück, Op.19
Schumann: Sonata No.3 in F minor, Op.14
Rachmaninoff: Prelude in G major, Op.32 No.5
Rachmaninoff: Etude-Tableau in E-flat minor, Op.39 No.5
Liszt: Valse Oubliée No.1
Liszt: Au bord d'une source
Chopin: Waltz in A minor, Op.34 No.2
Chopin: Scherzo No.1 in B minor, Op.20
Encores:
Chopin: Mazurka in A minor, Op.17 No.4
Moszkowski: Etincelles, Op.36 No.6
Rachmaninoff/Horowitz: Finale from Sonata No.2 in B-flat minor, Op.
36
May 18, 1976: Carnegie Hall, New York City, New York
Tchaikovsky: Trio in A minor, Op.50 (first movement only)
- Vladimir Horowitz, piano/Mstislav Rostropovich, cello/Isaac
Stern, violin
Rachmaninoff: Cello Sonata in G minor, Op.19 (third movement only)
- Vladimir Horowitz, piano/Mstislav Rostropovich, cello
Schumann: Dichterliebe, Op.48
- Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau, baritone/Vladimir Horowitz, piano
January 8, 1978: Carnegie Hall, New York City, New York
Rachmaninoff: Piano Concerto No.3 in D minor, Op.30
- Vladimir Horowitz, piano - Eugene Ormandy/New York
Philharmonic Orchestra
Source: http://vladimirhorowitz.hostzi.com/1_4_Concertography.html
April 25, 1943: Carnegie Hall, New York City, New York
Tchaikovsky: Piano Concerto No.1 in B-flat minor, Op.23
January 17, 1949: Carnegie Hall, New York City, New York
Bach: Toccata and Fugue in C minor, BWV 911
Clementi: Sonata in A major (mislabeled as "Op.36 No.1")
Schumann: Arabesque, Op.18
Chopin: Sonata No.2 in B-flat minor, Op.35
Prokofiev: Intermezzo and Valse-Lente from Cinderella, Op.95
Rachmaninoff: Etude-Tableau in E-flat minor, Op.39 No.5
Rachmaninoff: Etude-Tableau in D major, Op.39 No.9
Debussy: Etude No.4 (Pour les sixtes)
Debussy: Etude No.1 (Pour les cinq doigts - d'après Monsieur
Czerny)
Scriabin: Etude in C-sharp minor, Op.2 No.1
Liszt/Horowitz: Hungarian Rhapsody No.15 (Rakóczy March)
Encores:
Scarlatti: Sonata in E major, K.380
Moszkowski: Etude A-flat major, Op.72 No.11
Chopin: Waltz in A minor, Op.34 No.2
Horowitz: Carmen Variations
February 21, 1949: Carnegie Hall, New York City, New York
Mendelssohn: Song without words in B-flat major, Op.67 No.3
Mendelssohn: Song without words in B minor, Op.67 No.5 (Shepherd's
Complaint)
Mendelssohn: Song without words in D major, Op.85 No.4 (Elegie)
Beethoven: Sonata in D major, Op.10 No.3
Scriabin: Poème in F-sharp major, Op.32 No.1
Scriabin: Vers la flamme, Op.72
Kabalevsky: Preludes, Op.38 Nos. 1, 22, 17, 16, 8 & 24
Chopin: Mazurka in E minor, Op.41 No.2
Chopin: Mazurka in C-sharp minor, Op.30 No.4
Chopin: Mazurka in F minor, Op.7 No.3
Chopin: Ballade No.3 in A-flat major, Op.47
Liszt: Sonetto 104 del Petrarca
Liszt: Valse Oubliée No.1
Liszt/Horowitz: Hungarian Rhapsody No.15 (Rakóczy March)
Encores:
Scriabin: Etude in C-sharp minor, Op.2 No.1
Clementi: Rondo from the Sonata in B-flat major, Op.47 No.2
Brahms: Waltz in A-flat major, Op.39 No.15
Moszkowski: Etude in A-flat major, Op.72 No.11
Sousa/Horowitz: Stars and Stripes Forever
March 20, 1950: Carnegie Hall, New York City, New York
Clementi: Allegro con brio (1st mvt) from the Sonata in B-flat
major, Op.24 No.2
Clementi: Un poco andante, quasi allegretto (2nd mvt) from the
Sonata in C major, Op.34 No.1
Clementi: Rondo from the Sonata in B-flat major, Op.47 No.2
Mendelssohn: Variations Sérieuses, Op.54
Schumann: Blumenstück, Op.19
Barber: Sonata in E-flat minor, Op.26
Chopin: Ballade No.3 in A-flat major, Op.47
Chopin: Etude in C-sharp minor, Op.25 No.7
Chopin: Andante Spianato & Grande Polonaise Brillante, Op.22
Chopin: Nocturne in F minor, Op.55 No.1
Prokofiev: Toccata, Op.11
Encores:
Scarlatti: Sonata in E major, K.380
Scriabin: Etude in C-sharp minor, Op.2 No.1
Chopin: Waltz in C-sharp minor, Op.64 No.2
Horowitz: Carmen Variations
March 5, 1951: Carnegie Hall, New York City, New York
Schumann: Variations on a theme by Clara Wieck, Op.14
Mozart: Sonata in B-flat major, K.333
Prokofiev: Sonata No.7 in B-flat major, Op.83
Chopin: Mazurka in B-flat minor, Op.24 No.4
Chopin: Polonaise in C-sharp minor, Op.26 No.1
Chopin: Polonaise in A major, Op.40 No.1 (Military)
Chopin: Etude in E-flat minor, Op.10 No.6
Chopin: Etude in C-sharp minor, Op.10 No.4
Chopin: Grande Valse Brillante, Op.34 No.2
Liszt: Valse Oubliée No.1
Liszt: Hungarian Rhapsody No.6 in D-flat major
Encores:
Scarlatti: Sonata in A major, K.322
Mendelssohn: Song without words in G major, Op.62 No.1 (May
Breezes)
Scriabin: Etude in C-sharp minor, Op.2 No.1
Moszkowski: Etincelles, Op.36 No.6
April 23, 1951: Carnegie Hall, New York City, New York
Haydn: Sonata in E-flat major, Hob. XVI:52
Brahms: Intermezzo in B-flat minor, Op.117 No.2
Chopin: Polonaise-Fantaisie in A-flat major, Op.61
Chopin: Barcarolle in F-sharp major, Op.60
Chopin: Nocturne in F minor, Op.55 No.1
Chopin: Scherzo No.1 in B minor, Op.20
Mussorgsky: Pictures at an Exhibition (Edited by Horowitz)
Encores:
Scarlatti: Sonata in E major, K.380 (L.23)
Schumann: Träumerei, Op.15 No.7
Moszkowski: Etincelles, Op.36 No.6
Sousa/Horowitz: The Stars and Stripes Forever
January 12, 1953: Carnegie Hall, New York City, New York [Horowitz's
Silver Jubilee Concert - on the day 25 years since his American debut
with Sir Thomas Beecham]
Tchaikovsky: Piano Concerto No.1 in B-flat minor, Op.23
February 25, 1953: Carnegie Hall, New York City, New York [last
public appearance for more than 12 years]
Brahms: Rhapsody in E-flat major, Op.119 No.4
Schubert: Sonata in B-flat major, D.960
Chopin: Nocturne in E minor, Op.72 No.1
Chopin: Scherzo No.1 in B minor, Op.20
Scriabin: Sonata No.9, Op.68 (The Black Mass)
Scriabin: Etude in B-flat minor, Op.8 No.11
Scriabin: Etude in C-sharp minor, Op.42 No.5
Debussy: The Little Shepherd
Debussy: Serenade for the Doll
Liszt/Horowitz: Hungarian Rhapsody No.2 in C-sharp minor
Encores:
Chopin: Waltz in A minor, Op.34 No.2
Clementi: Rondo from the Sonata in B-flat major, Op.47 No.2
Prokofiev: Precipitato from Sonata No.7 in B-flat major, Op.83
May 9, 1965: Carnegie Hall, New York City, New York [Horowitz's first
public appearance in 12 years]
Bach/Busoni: Toccata, Adagio & Fugue in C major, BWV 564
Schumann: Fantasie in C major, Op.17
Scriabin: Sonata No.9, Op.68 (The Black Mass)
Scriabin: Poème in F-sharp major, Op.32 No.1
Chopin: Mazurka in C-sharp minor, Op.30 No.4
Chopin: Etude in F major, Op.10 No.8
Chopin: Ballade No.1 in G minor, Op.23
Encores:
Debussy: Serenade for the Doll
Scriabin: Etude in C-sharp minor, Op.2 No.1
Moszkowski: Etude in A-flat major, Op.72 No.11
Schumann: Träumerei, Op.15 No.7
April 17, 1966: Carnegie Hall, New York City, New York
Scarlatti: Sonata in F minor, K.481 (L.187)
Beethoven: 32 Variations in C minor, WoO 80
Mozart: Sonata in A major, K.331
Scriabin: Sonata No.10, Op.70
Chopin: Polonaise-Fantaisie in A-flat major, Op.61
Chopin: Mazurka in B minor, Op.33 No.4
Chopin: Nocturne in E minor, Op.72 No.1
Chopin: Scherzo No.1 in B minor, Op.20
Encores:
Mendelssohn: Song without Words Op.67 No.5
Liszt: Valse Oubliee No.1
Rachmaninoff: Etude-Tableau Op.39 No.9
November 27, 1966: Carnegie Hall, New York City, New York
Haydn: Sonata in F major, Hob. XVI:23
Schumann: Blumenstück, Op.19
Chopin: Sonata No.2 in B-flat minor, Op.35
Debussy: Prelude No.5 from Book II (Bruyères)
Debussy: Prelude No.4 from Book II (Les fées sont d'exquises
danseuses)
Debussy: Prelude No.7 from Book II (La terrasse des audiences du
clair de lune)
Debussy: L'Isle Joyeuse
Liszt: Vallée d'Obermann
Encores:
Scarlatti: Sonata in E major, K.380
Rachmaninoff: Prelude in G-sharp minor, Op.32 No.12
Chopin: Waltz in C-sharp minor, Op.64 No.2
Rachmaninoff: Etude-Tableau in D major, Op.39 No.9
December 10, 1966: Carnegie Hall, New York City, New York
Haydn: Sonata in F major, Hob. XVI:23
Schumann: Blumenstück, Op.19
Chopin: Sonata No.2 in B-flat minor, Op.35
Debussy: Prelude No.5 from Book II (Bruyères)
Debussy: Prelude No.4 from Book II (Les fées sont d'exquises
danseuses)
Debussy: Prelude No.7 from Book II (La terrasse des audiences du
clair de lune)
Debussy: L'Isle Joyeuse
Liszt: Vallée d'Obermann
Encores:
Chopin: Mazurka in F minor, Op,7 No.3
Rachmaninoff: Prelude in G major, Op.32 No.5
Poulenc: Toccata in C major
Chopin: Waltz in C-sharp minor, Op.64 No.2
January 2, 1968: Carnegie Hall, New York City, New York [Invited
audience]
Chopin: Polonaise in F-sharp minor, Op.44
Chopin: Nocturne in F minor, Op.55 No.1
Chopin: Ballade No.1 in G minor, Op.23
Scarlatti: Sonata in E major, K.380
Scarlatti: Sonata in G major, K.55
Schumann: Arabeske, Op.18
Scriabin: Etude in D-sharp minor, Op.8 No.12
Encores:
Schumann: Träumerei, Op.15 No.7
Horowitz: Carmen Variations
February 1, 1968: Carnegie Hall, New York City, New York [Invited
audience]
Chopin: Polonaise in F-sharp minor, Op.44
Chopin: Nocturne in F minor, Op.55 No.1
Chopin: Ballade No.1 in G minor, Op.23
Scarlatti: Sonata in E major, K.380
Scarlatti: Sonata in G major, K.55
Schumann: Arabeske, Op.18
Scriabin: Etude in D-sharp minor, Op.8 No.12
Encores:
Schumann: Träumerei, Op.15 No.7
Horowitz: Carmen Variations
November 24, 1968: Carnegie Hall, New York City, New York
Haydn: Sonata in C major, Hob. XVI:48
Schumann: Kreisleriana, Op.16
Rachmaninoff: Prelude in G-sharp minor, Op.32 No.12
Rachmaninoff: Moment Musical No.3 in B minor, Op.16 No.3
Rachmaninoff: Sonata No.2 in B-flat minor, Op.36 (Edited by
Horowitz)*
Encores:
Debussy: Serenade for the Doll
Liszt: Au bord d'une source
Chopin: Waltz in C-sharp minor, Op.64 No.2
Moszkowski: Etude in F major, Op.72 No.6
December 15, 1968: Carnegie Hall, New York City, New York
Haydn: Sonata in C major, Hob. XVI:48
Schumann: Kreisleriana, Op.16
Rachmaninoff: Prelude in G-sharp minor, Op.32 No.12
Rachmaninoff: Moment Musical No.3 in B minor, Op.16 No.3
Rachmaninoff: Sonata No.2 in B-flat minor, Op.36 (Edited by
Horowitz)
Encores:
Chopin: Waltz in A minor, Op.34 No.2
Liszt: Au bord d'une source
Moszkovski: Etude in F major, Op.72 No.6
November 16, 1975: Carnegie Hall, New York City, New York
Schumann: Blumenstück, Op.19
Schumann: Sonata No.3 in F minor, Op.14
Rachmaninoff: Prelude in G major, Op.32 No.5
Rachmaninoff: Etude-Tableau in E-flat minor, Op.39 No.5
Liszt: Valse Oubliée No.1
Liszt: Au bord d'une source
Chopin: Waltz in A minor, Op.34 No.2
Chopin: Scherzo No.1 in B minor, Op.20
Encores:
Debussy: Serenade for the Doll
Schumann: Träumerei, Op.15 No.7
Moszkowski: Etincelles, Op.36 No.6
Rachmaninoff: Etude-Tableau in D major, Op.39 No.9
November 23, 1975: Carnegie Hall, New York City, New York
Schumann: Blumenstück, Op.19
Schumann: Sonata No.3 in F minor, Op.14
Rachmaninoff: Prelude in G major, Op.32 No.5
Rachmaninoff: Etude-Tableau in E-flat minor, Op.39 No.5
Liszt: Valse Oubliée No.1
Liszt: Au bord d'une source
Chopin: Waltz in A minor, Op.34 No.2
Chopin: Scherzo No.1 in B minor, Op.20
Encores:
Chopin: Mazurka in A minor, Op.17 No.4
Moszkowski: Etincelles, Op.36 No.6
Rachmaninoff/Horowitz: Finale from Sonata No.2 in B-flat minor, Op.
36
May 18, 1976: Carnegie Hall, New York City, New York
Tchaikovsky: Trio in A minor, Op.50 (first movement only)
- Vladimir Horowitz, piano/Mstislav Rostropovich, cello/Isaac
Stern, violin
Rachmaninoff: Cello Sonata in G minor, Op.19 (third movement only)
- Vladimir Horowitz, piano/Mstislav Rostropovich, cello
Schumann: Dichterliebe, Op.48
- Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau, baritone/Vladimir Horowitz, piano
January 8, 1978: Carnegie Hall, New York City, New York
Rachmaninoff: Piano Concerto No.3 in D minor, Op.30
- Vladimir Horowitz, piano - Eugene Ormandy/New York
Philharmonic Orchestra
O
May 12, 2013, 8:47:01 PM5/12/13
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In article
<661419bd-0be2-4dfc...@w13g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
days, I would have lapped this up. Now, it might just sit on the shelf
and I pick at one or two disks.
-Owen
<661419bd-0be2-4dfc...@w13g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
woytek <bar...@op.pl> wrote:
> Program of the complete recitals from the box:
> Source: http://vladimirhorowitz.hostzi.com/1_4_Concertography.html
>
I don't know if I can take this much Horowitz anymore. In my younger
> Program of the complete recitals from the box:
> Source: http://vladimirhorowitz.hostzi.com/1_4_Concertography.html
>
days, I would have lapped this up. Now, it might just sit on the shelf
and I pick at one or two disks.
-Owen
td
May 13, 2013, 8:09:57 AM5/13/13
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On May 12, 8:47 pm, O <ow...@denofinequityx.com> wrote:
> In article
> <661419bd-0be2-4dfc-b2ad-4c3ecaf8e...@w13g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
I agree. Don't listen to VH anymore.
TD
> In article
> <661419bd-0be2-4dfc-b2ad-4c3ecaf8e...@w13g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
TD
William Sommerwerck
May 13, 2013, 10:29:00 AM5/13/13
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>> I don't know if I can take this much Horowitz anymore. In my
>> younger days, I would have lapped this up. Now, it might just
>> sit on the shelf and I pick at one or two disks.
> I agree. Don't listen to VH anymore.
I've heard him butcher Kinderszenen on several recordings, which has almost
>> younger days, I would have lapped this up. Now, it might just
>> sit on the shelf and I pick at one or two disks.
> I agree. Don't listen to VH anymore.
turned me off to the piece. The more versions of it I hear (from any pianist),
the more-aware I am of how difficult it is to interpret well.
In my twilight years, I'm becoming aware that (to paraphrase William Zinsser)
there is no such thing as great music, only great performances.
Gerard
May 13, 2013, 10:34:50 AM5/13/13
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William Sommerwerck <grizzle...@comcast.net> typed:
>
> In my twilight years, I'm becoming aware that (to paraphrase William
> Zinsser) there is no such thing as great music, only great
> performances.
It's getting harder every week to take you seriously.
>
> In my twilight years, I'm becoming aware that (to paraphrase William
> Zinsser) there is no such thing as great music, only great
> performances.
Frank Lekens
May 13, 2013, 12:21:26 PM5/13/13
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William Sommerwerck
May 13, 2013, 1:32:28 PM5/13/13
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> 'Butcher'? Horowitz? Kinderszenen?
Yes. A classic example of why artists who deeply love a particular work
shouldn't be allowed to perform it.
Yes. A classic example of why artists who deeply love a particular work
shouldn't be allowed to perform it.
Gerard
May 13, 2013, 2:17:05 PM5/13/13
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William Sommerwerck <grizzle...@comcast.net> typed:
> of why artists who deeply love a particular
> work shouldn't be allowed to perform it.
Not be allowed by who? You?
> > 'Butcher'? Horowitz? Kinderszenen?
>
> Yes. A classic example
Not a definitive example?
>
> Yes. A classic example
> of why artists who deeply love a particular
> work shouldn't be allowed to perform it.
Herman
May 13, 2013, 2:36:14 PM5/13/13
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SPAM- @xs4all.nl HvT
May 13, 2013, 3:06:19 PM5/13/13
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a not so great one by Paley. However, I rather listen to a great performance
by Richter of Beethoven's Op. 111 than a great performance by him of
Weber's Op. 49.
Henk
Mandryka
May 13, 2013, 3:39:06 PM5/13/13
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On May 13, 6:32 pm, "William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgee...@comcast.net>
wrote:
wrote:
> > 'Butcher'? Horowitz? Kinderszenen?
>
> Yes. A classic example of why artists who deeply love a particular work
> shouldn't be allowed to perform it.
But he got it right in the end didn't he? In Hamburg?
>
> Yes. A classic example of why artists who deeply love a particular work
> shouldn't be allowed to perform it.
David Fox
May 13, 2013, 3:59:37 PM5/13/13
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many of us yearn for the other half? We collectors are a compulsive
lot. It is a lot of Horowitz, but I'm all in.
DF
William Sommerwerck
May 13, 2013, 4:02:08 PM5/13/13
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"Gerard" wrote in message
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for you.
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William Sommerwerck <grizzle...@comcast.net> typed:
>>> 'Butcher'? Horowitz? Kinderszenen?
>> Yes. A classic example
>>> 'Butcher'? Horowitz? Kinderszenen?
>> Yes. A classic example
>> of why artists who deeply love a particular
>> work shouldn't be allowed to perform it.
> Not be allowed by who? You?
This sort of pointless and unnecessary response is why I have little respect
>> work shouldn't be allowed to perform it.
> Not be allowed by who? You?
for you.
William Sommerwerck
May 13, 2013, 4:04:30 PM5/13/13
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"Herman" wrote in message
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Le lundi 13 mai 2013 19:32:28 UTC+2, William Sommerwerck a �crit :
>>> 'Butcher'? Horowitz? Kinderszenen?
>> Yes. A classic example of why artists who deeply love
>> a particular work shouldn't be allowed to perform it.
> My goodness. You break the bizarre record every day, don't you?
And you've never heard that opinion expressed by anyone else? I'm hardly the
first person to say it.
news:f0ada709-b74f-451b...@googlegroups.com...
Le lundi 13 mai 2013 19:32:28 UTC+2, William Sommerwerck a �crit :
>>> 'Butcher'? Horowitz? Kinderszenen?
>> Yes. A classic example of why artists who deeply love
>> a particular work shouldn't be allowed to perform it.
> My goodness. You break the bizarre record every day, don't you?
first person to say it.
Gerard
May 13, 2013, 4:07:00 PM5/13/13
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William Sommerwerck <grizzle...@comcast.net> typed:
Why should I want what you call 'respect' by someone who is expert in being
pointless?
pointless?
William Sommerwerck
May 13, 2013, 4:07:19 PM5/13/13
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"Mandryka" wrote in message
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No, I think that Kinderszenen is as bad as the others. But I'll have to listen
again.
news:a0f11ef0-9243-4779...@gw5g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
again.
Gerard
May 13, 2013, 4:09:23 PM5/13/13
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William Sommerwerck <grizzle...@comcast.net> typed:
(And like you said before: speak for yourself.)
> "Herman" wrote in message
> news:f0ada709-b74f-451b...@googlegroups.com...
> Le lundi 13 mai 2013 19:32:28 UTC+2, William Sommerwerck a �crit :
> news:f0ada709-b74f-451b...@googlegroups.com...
>
> > > > 'Butcher'? Horowitz? Kinderszenen?
>
> > > Yes. A classic example of why artists who deeply love
> > > a particular work shouldn't be allowed to perform it.
>
> > My goodness. You break the bizarre record every day, don't you?
>
> And you've never heard that opinion expressed by anyone else? I'm
> hardly the first person to say it.
Some institutes are full of people who are saying "I am Napoleon".
> > > > 'Butcher'? Horowitz? Kinderszenen?
>
> > > Yes. A classic example of why artists who deeply love
> > > a particular work shouldn't be allowed to perform it.
>
> > My goodness. You break the bizarre record every day, don't you?
>
> And you've never heard that opinion expressed by anyone else? I'm
> hardly the first person to say it.
(And like you said before: speak for yourself.)
William Sommerwerck
May 13, 2013, 4:12:56 PM5/13/13
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"Gerard" wrote in message
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Gerard, one of the marks of "intelligence" is not immediately rejecting points
of view you disagree with. Your arguments are almost always out of ignorance,
and rarely out of insight.
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of view you disagree with. Your arguments are almost always out of ignorance,
and rarely out of insight.
William Sommerwerck
May 13, 2013, 4:14:40 PM5/13/13
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> Why should I want what you call 'respect' by someone
> who is expert in being pointless?
I have different points of view. That does not make them pointless.
> who is expert in being pointless?
I leave it to the rest to the group to pass judgement.
O
May 13, 2013, 4:14:55 PM5/13/13
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In article <jfGdnfTqbcm02wzM...@giganews.com>, David Fox
I'm happy for you, but I really feel I've overdosed on VH and now I
think I'd prefer to hear other pianists. Nothing against VH, and if I
happen to hear him, it won't bother me, but I know I wouldn't listen to
much of the VH box, just like I haven't listened to very much of the
~85 CD Karajan box.
-Owen
think I'd prefer to hear other pianists. Nothing against VH, and if I
happen to hear him, it won't bother me, but I know I wouldn't listen to
much of the VH box, just like I haven't listened to very much of the
~85 CD Karajan box.
-Owen
Gerard
May 13, 2013, 4:19:45 PM5/13/13
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William Sommerwerck <grizzle...@comcast.net> typed:
>
> I leave it to the rest to the group to pass judgement.
Good. I'ld happy to know how Ansimaniac thinks about your brilliant "points".
> > Why should I want what you call 'respect' by someone
> > who is expert in being pointless?
>
> I have different points of view. That does not make them pointless.
That does not make my replies pointless.
> > who is expert in being pointless?
>
> I have different points of view. That does not make them pointless.
>
> I leave it to the rest to the group to pass judgement.
Dana John Hill
May 13, 2013, 4:28:32 PM5/13/13
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Dana John Hill
Gainesville, Florida
William Sommerwerck
May 13, 2013, 4:29:00 PM5/13/13
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>> I have different points of view. That does not make them pointless.
> That does not make my replies pointless.
They're pointless if you don't directly address the issue. Most of time you
> That does not make my replies pointless.
simply gainsay what I (or other people) say.
wagnerfan
May 13, 2013, 4:29:10 PM5/13/13
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On Mon, 13 May 2013 13:12:56 -0700, "William Sommerwerck"
<grizzle...@comcast.net> wrote:
>"Gerard" wrote in message
>news:1b62f$5191486f$5356543a$71...@cache60.multikabel.net...
>William Sommerwerck <grizzle...@comcast.net> typed:
>> "Herman" wrote in message
>> news:f0ada709-b74f-451b...@googlegroups.com...
<grizzle...@comcast.net> wrote:
>"Gerard" wrote in message
>news:1b62f$5191486f$5356543a$71...@cache60.multikabel.net...
>William Sommerwerck <grizzle...@comcast.net> typed:
>> "Herman" wrote in message
>> news:f0ada709-b74f-451b...@googlegroups.com...
>> Le lundi 13 mai 2013 19:32:28 UTC+2, William Sommerwerck a écrit :
>
>>>>>> 'Butcher'? Horowitz? Kinderszenen?
>
>>>>> Yes. A classic example of why artists who deeply love
>>>>> a particular work shouldn't be allowed to perform it.
>
>>>> My goodness. You break the bizarre record every day, don't you?
>
>>> And you've never heard that opinion expressed by anyone else? I'm
>>> hardly the first person to say it.
>
>> Some institutes are full of people who are saying "I am Napoleon".
>
>Gerard, one of the marks of "intelligence" is not immediately rejecting points
>of view you disagree with. Your arguments are almost always out of ignorance,
>and rarely out of insight.
No what "Gerard" likes to do is argue for the sake of arguing - he
>
>>>>>> 'Butcher'? Horowitz? Kinderszenen?
>
>>>>> Yes. A classic example of why artists who deeply love
>>>>> a particular work shouldn't be allowed to perform it.
>
>>>> My goodness. You break the bizarre record every day, don't you?
>
>>> And you've never heard that opinion expressed by anyone else? I'm
>>> hardly the first person to say it.
>
>> Some institutes are full of people who are saying "I am Napoleon".
>
>Gerard, one of the marks of "intelligence" is not immediately rejecting points
>of view you disagree with. Your arguments are almost always out of ignorance,
>and rarely out of insight.
will throw out a personal attack like the one he sent you for no
reason other than to be a an active annoyance. A psychiatrist could
spend valuable time analyzing that mindset. poor slob. Wagner fan
Gerard
May 13, 2013, 4:34:38 PM5/13/13
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William Sommerwerck <grizzle...@comcast.net> typed:
It's my opinion that you have been specializing in writing BS during the last
year or so. It's getting worse every week. Of course it is stuff I don't agree
with.
year or so. It's getting worse every week. Of course it is stuff I don't agree
with.
David Fox
May 13, 2013, 5:34:16 PM5/13/13
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I really need this much Karajan? Does anybody?" But after having lived
with it for several years I'm very glad I bought them. I can't claim to
have listened to every CD in both sets, but I've definitely gotten my
money's worth based solely on what I have listened to thus far. It
helped me develop a deeper appreciation for his Philharmonia recordings.
I've always liked those I've already I've heard, but there were many
treasures embedded among those I didn't. 1950's Philharmonia Karajan
was a very different animal from the BPO Karajan, particularly from the
1970's onward.
DF
O
May 13, 2013, 6:41:37 PM5/13/13
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In article <kmridh$ofu$1...@usenet.osg.ufl.edu>, Dana John Hill
The Karajan box I don't listen to very much is the EMI. The Karajan
box I don't listen to at all, because I don't have it, is the DG one.
I have listened to a great deal of the $1 Bach Guild sets, which I did
not expect to do, but it's so convenient to just listen to a download
and not have to search through 85 CDs to find the one you want and
hopefully they're in order.
-Owen
box I don't listen to at all, because I don't have it, is the DG one.
I have listened to a great deal of the $1 Bach Guild sets, which I did
not expect to do, but it's so convenient to just listen to a download
and not have to search through 85 CDs to find the one you want and
hopefully they're in order.
-Owen
td
May 13, 2013, 6:44:33 PM5/13/13
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up.
TD
O
May 13, 2013, 6:44:38 PM5/13/13
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In article <kmri7b$qg7$1...@dont-email.me>, William Sommerwerck
Speaking of pointless...
One time I got mugged and I didn't have any money, so they beat me
centsless. When I got home, my electricity was turned off, and I was
powerless. I started to write a check, but my pen broke, so it was
pointless, then I couldn't find my dictionary, so it all became
meaningless...
-Owen
One time I got mugged and I didn't have any money, so they beat me
centsless. When I got home, my electricity was turned off, and I was
powerless. I started to write a check, but my pen broke, so it was
pointless, then I couldn't find my dictionary, so it all became
meaningless...
-Owen
td
May 13, 2013, 6:46:50 PM5/13/13
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VH at the end had became a caricature of himself. Everything was
stretched to the nth degree, perfumed to a fare-the-well.
Hamburg, Vienna, Moscow, New York, Toronto, etc., etc. Ever the same.
There was hardly what I would call an "honest" performance in the
bunch.
TD
td
May 13, 2013, 6:47:54 PM5/13/13
to
On May 13, 4:04 pm, "William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgee...@comcast.net>
wrote:
I have said it many times about many pieces. How about the Liszt
sonata, for example.
TD
wrote:
sonata, for example.
TD
td
May 13, 2013, 6:48:37 PM5/13/13
to
On May 13, 4:09 pm, "Gerard" <gh_nospam-endrik...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> William Sommerwerck <grizzledgee...@comcast.net> typed:
TD
> William Sommerwerck <grizzledgee...@comcast.net> typed:
>
> > "Herman" wrote in message
> >news:f0ada709-b74f-451b...@googlegroups.com...
> > Le lundi 13 mai 2013 19:32:28 UTC+2, William Sommerwerck a crit :
> > "Herman" wrote in message
> >news:f0ada709-b74f-451b...@googlegroups.com...
>
> > > > > 'Butcher'? Horowitz? Kinderszenen?
>
> > > > Yes. A classic example of why artists who deeply love
> > > > a particular work shouldn't be allowed to perform it.
>
> > > My goodness. You break the bizarre record every day, don't you?
>
> > And you've never heard that opinion expressed by anyone else? I'm
> > hardly the first person to say it.
>
> Some institutes are full of people who are saying "I am Napoleon".
> (And like you said before: speak for yourself.)
And we have a few here too, in case you haven't noticed.
> > > > > 'Butcher'? Horowitz? Kinderszenen?
>
> > > > Yes. A classic example of why artists who deeply love
> > > > a particular work shouldn't be allowed to perform it.
>
> > > My goodness. You break the bizarre record every day, don't you?
>
> > And you've never heard that opinion expressed by anyone else? I'm
> > hardly the first person to say it.
>
> Some institutes are full of people who are saying "I am Napoleon".
> (And like you said before: speak for yourself.)
TD
td
May 13, 2013, 6:51:35 PM5/13/13
to
On May 13, 4:14 pm, O <ow...@denofinequityx.com> wrote:
> In article <jfGdnfTqbcm02wzMnZ2dnUVZ5jydn...@giganews.com>, David Fox
quiz, they would flunk out miserably.
Outline for me in a few sentences the differences between Karajan's
first and third attempt at Beethoven 4, for example.
What characterizes his interpretation of Berlioz' Symphonie
Fantastique (substitute ANY work he ever recorded)?
TD
> In article <jfGdnfTqbcm02wzMnZ2dnUVZ5jydn...@giganews.com>, David Fox
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <davidfox2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On 5/12/13 5:47 PM, O wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <661419bd-0be2-4dfc-b2ad-4c3ecaf8e...@w13g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <davidfox2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On 5/12/13 5:47 PM, O wrote:
> > > In article
> > > woytek <bar...@op.pl> wrote:
>
> > >> Program of the complete recitals from the box:
> > >> Source:http://vladimirhorowitz.hostzi.com/1_4_Concertography.html
>
> > > I don't know if I can take this much Horowitz anymore. In my younger
> > > days, I would have lapped this up. Now, it might just sit on the shelf
> > > and I pick at one or two disks.
>
> > > -Owen
>
> > It does seem an awful lot, but if Sony released only half of it wouldn't
> > many of us yearn for the other half? We collectors are a compulsive
> > lot. It is a lot of Horowitz, but I'm all in.
>
> I'm happy for you, but I really feel I've overdosed on VH and now I
> think I'd prefer to hear other pianists. Nothing against VH, and if I
> happen to hear him, it won't bother me, but I know I wouldn't listen to
> much of the VH box, just like I haven't listened to very much of the
> ~85 CD Karajan box.
I will wager that if you gave the purchasers of these huge boxes a
>
> > >> Program of the complete recitals from the box:
> > >> Source:http://vladimirhorowitz.hostzi.com/1_4_Concertography.html
>
> > > I don't know if I can take this much Horowitz anymore. In my younger
> > > days, I would have lapped this up. Now, it might just sit on the shelf
> > > and I pick at one or two disks.
>
> > > -Owen
>
> > It does seem an awful lot, but if Sony released only half of it wouldn't
> > many of us yearn for the other half? We collectors are a compulsive
> > lot. It is a lot of Horowitz, but I'm all in.
>
> I'm happy for you, but I really feel I've overdosed on VH and now I
> think I'd prefer to hear other pianists. Nothing against VH, and if I
> happen to hear him, it won't bother me, but I know I wouldn't listen to
> much of the VH box, just like I haven't listened to very much of the
> ~85 CD Karajan box.
quiz, they would flunk out miserably.
Outline for me in a few sentences the differences between Karajan's
first and third attempt at Beethoven 4, for example.
What characterizes his interpretation of Berlioz' Symphonie
Fantastique (substitute ANY work he ever recorded)?
TD
td
May 13, 2013, 6:53:26 PM5/13/13
to
On May 13, 4:29 pm, wagnerfan <ivanmax...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 13 May 2013 13:12:56 -0700, "William Sommerwerck"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <grizzledgee...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >"Gerard" wrote in message
> >news:1b62f$5191486f$5356543a$71...@cache60.multikabel.net...
> >William Sommerwerck <grizzledgee...@comcast.net> typed:
> On Mon, 13 May 2013 13:12:56 -0700, "William Sommerwerck"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <grizzledgee...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >"Gerard" wrote in message
> >news:1b62f$5191486f$5356543a$71...@cache60.multikabel.net...
> >> "Herman" wrote in message
> >>news:f0ada709-b74f-451b...@googlegroups.com...
> >> Le lundi 13 mai 2013 19:32:28 UTC+2, William Sommerwerck a écrit :
>
> >>>>>> 'Butcher'? Horowitz? Kinderszenen?
>
> >>>>> Yes. A classic example of why artists who deeply love
> >>>>> a particular work shouldn't be allowed to perform it.
>
> >>>> My goodness. You break the bizarre record every day, don't you?
>
> >>> And you've never heard that opinion expressed by anyone else? I'm
> >>> hardly the first person to say it.
>
> >> Some institutes are full of people who are saying "I am Napoleon".
>
> >Gerard, one of the marks of "intelligence" is not immediately rejecting points
> >of view you disagree with. Your arguments are almost always out of ignorance,
> >and rarely out of insight.
>
> No what "Gerard" likes to do is argue for the sake of arguing - he
> will throw out a personal attack like the one he sent you for no
> reason other than to be a an active annoyance. A psychiatrist could
> spend valuable time analyzing that mindset. poor slob.
He may be richer than our local opera queen and much less of a slob,
> >>news:f0ada709-b74f-451b...@googlegroups.com...
> >> Le lundi 13 mai 2013 19:32:28 UTC+2, William Sommerwerck a écrit :
>
> >>>>>> 'Butcher'? Horowitz? Kinderszenen?
>
> >>>>> Yes. A classic example of why artists who deeply love
> >>>>> a particular work shouldn't be allowed to perform it.
>
> >>>> My goodness. You break the bizarre record every day, don't you?
>
> >>> And you've never heard that opinion expressed by anyone else? I'm
> >>> hardly the first person to say it.
>
> >> Some institutes are full of people who are saying "I am Napoleon".
>
> >Gerard, one of the marks of "intelligence" is not immediately rejecting points
> >of view you disagree with. Your arguments are almost always out of ignorance,
> >and rarely out of insight.
>
> No what "Gerard" likes to do is argue for the sake of arguing - he
> will throw out a personal attack like the one he sent you for no
> reason other than to be a an active annoyance. A psychiatrist could
> spend valuable time analyzing that mindset. poor slob.
as well.
The shrink gave up on you a very long time ago. As did Mummy. "I
produced this pathetic little fag?"
TD
markm...@gmail.com
May 13, 2013, 7:39:50 PM5/13/13
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>
> > > > I have different points of view. That does not make them
>
> > > > pointless.
>
> >
>
> > > That does not make my replies pointless.
>
> >
>
> > They're pointless if you don't directly address the issue. Most of
>
> > time you simply gainsay what I (or other people) say.
>
>
>
> It's my opinion that you have been specializing in writing BS during the last
>
> year or so. It's getting worse every week. Of course it is stuff I don't agree
>
> with.
Mark
wagnerfan
May 13, 2013, 9:57:08 PM5/13/13
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On Mon, 13 May 2013 14:34:16 -0700, David Fox <davidf...@yahoo.com>
I agree - around the time he started recording the Ring I noticed a
change in his conducting style - as early as the 1970 Fidelio you can
hear beautiful playing but a softening of dramatic contrasts that left
one with the impression of enjoying a beautiful object held at arm's
length. Wagner fan
change in his conducting style - as early as the 1970 Fidelio you can
hear beautiful playing but a softening of dramatic contrasts that left
one with the impression of enjoying a beautiful object held at arm's
length. Wagner fan
O
May 13, 2013, 11:55:48 PM5/13/13
to
In article <44f8690f-2fed-4851...@googlegroups.com>,
-Owen
<markm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Some days - no, most days - monitoring this group is like watching Congress
> on C-Span - lots of people simply not getting along. Is there a rec.music.classical.civility?
>
Yes, there is, but nobody posts to it.
>
> Some days - no, most days - monitoring this group is like watching Congress
> on C-Span - lots of people simply not getting along. Is there a rec.music.classical.civility?
>
-Owen
td
May 14, 2013, 6:07:48 AM5/14/13
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don't like. That way the expectations are low and all the decisions
are in your hands.
Civility? That went out with the hula hoop.
TD
markm...@gmail.com
May 14, 2013, 12:19:47 PM5/14/13
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Mark
David Fox
May 14, 2013, 12:24:41 PM5/14/13
to
understand and practice it and those who don't. This has always been
the case.
Treat people as you wish to be treated. Ignore those who do otherwise.
The end result will be whatever level of civility you desire.
DF
ales...@gmail.com
May 15, 2013, 8:46:54 AM5/15/13
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On Saturday, May 11, 2013 7:24:43 PM UTC+2, woytek wrote:
> On 11 Maj, 14:10, td <tomdedea...@mac.com> wrote:
>
> > On May 10, 2:38 pm, woytek <bar...@op.pl> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > > season for piano boxes continuous, 42 CDshttp://www.amazon.co.uk/Vladimir-Horowitz-Live-Carnegie-Hall/dp/B00BT...
>
> >
>
> > WHAT can this possibly be? There are not enough issued CDs from
>
> > Carnegie Hall to fill 42 CDs.
>
> >
>
> > Is this a new issue, including ALL of Horowitz's CH concerts?
>
> >
>
> > TD
>
>
>
> here are the details: http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/Vladimir-Horowitz-Life-at-Carnegie-Hall/hnum/3457492
>
> looks really impressing
Some new details here!!!
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00BT70J6S/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE
> On 11 Maj, 14:10, td <tomdedea...@mac.com> wrote:
>
> > On May 10, 2:38 pm, woytek <bar...@op.pl> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > > season for piano boxes continuous, 42 CDshttp://www.amazon.co.uk/Vladimir-Horowitz-Live-Carnegie-Hall/dp/B00BT...
>
> >
>
> > WHAT can this possibly be? There are not enough issued CDs from
>
> > Carnegie Hall to fill 42 CDs.
>
> >
>
> > Is this a new issue, including ALL of Horowitz's CH concerts?
>
> >
>
> > TD
>
>
>
> here are the details: http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/Vladimir-Horowitz-Life-at-Carnegie-Hall/hnum/3457492
>
> looks really impressing
Some new details here!!!
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00BT70J6S/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE
AG
May 15, 2013, 3:00:56 PM5/15/13
to
Sony Music Entertainment presents Vladimir Horowitz Live at Carnegie
Hall, a deluxe CD edition that gathers together the complete RCA and
Columbia recitals that the legendary pianist recorded live at Carnegie
Hall between 1951 and 1978 – including eight previously unreleased
complete concerts, as well as 48 works in previously unreleased
recordings – all on 41 CDs and a DVD. The first part of the set (CDs 1–
37) consists of entire programs, including three previously unreleased
concerts taken from the Horowitz Private Collection of his recorded
performances at Carnegie Hall and four previously unreleased complete
recitals from the RCA and Columbia archives, adding the Brahms
Rhapsody in E-flat major, Op. 119 No. 4 and Debussy’s The Little
Shepherd to Horowitz’s discography. Another seven recitals will be
presented here at full length for the very first time, thanks to the
addition of 48 works in previously unreleased recordings. All of the
recitals have been painstakingly assembled and restored from the
original source materials, and are presented exactly as they were
performed, with all musical selections intact. In particular, the 1951–
53 and 1965–68 concerts, as well as the November 16 & 23, 1975
recitals, are now all presented musically unedited. These programs
cover almost Horowitz’s entire career at RCA and Columbia, and include
such milestones as the historic April 25, 1943 Tchaikovsky First
Concerto with Toscanini and the NBC Symphony Orchestra (given in aid
of US troops in World War II), the February 25, 1953 concert marking
the 25th anniversary of his American debut (including three previously
unreleased selections), the May 9, 1965 “Historic Return” marking his
first recital after a 12-year absence, the “Concert of the Century” of
May 18, 1976 marking Carnegie Hall’s 85th anniversary, and the “Golden
Jubilee Concert” of January 8, 1978 celebrating the 50th anniversary
of Horowitz’s American debut with Rachmaninoff’s Third Concerto. The
second part of the set (CDs 38–41) continues the story of Horowitz’s
“Private Collection.” Starting in 1945, Horowitz engaged the Carnegie
Hall Recording Company to record all his solo recitals at that venue.
He discontinued this practice after 1950, when RCA began recording his
concerts there. In 1986 Horowitz donated these recordings to Yale
University. After his death in 1989, RCA launched a “Private
Collection” series with individual selections chosen for release by
virtue of their historical significance within the context of
Horowitz’s career, as well as works that he did not commercially
record, such as Chopin’s F minor Fantasy, Liszt’s Légende No.2,
Kabelevsky’s Second Sonata, and Balakirev’s Islamey. The third part of
the set (the DVD) consists of the first ever release of the famous TV
concert “Horowitz on Television”. The CBS Television Network
originally aired this program on Sunday, September 22, 1968, allowing
a worldwide audience to experience Horowitz’s artistry with their very
own eyes for the first time in decades. It was rebroadcast on
Christmas Day that year, after which it remained unavailable for 45
years, until now. In addition, the CD version of the broadcast not
only contains the original “soundtrack” but also the full program in
alternate takes. Since Horowitz accurately claimed that he never
played any piece the same way twice, piano-lovers now have the
opportunity to hear multiple performances of certain works, and to
compare how Horowitz responds to different audiences on different days
with variations in nuance, tone color, touch, dynamics, tempo,
phrasing, and pedaling. This deluxe edition is accompanied by a
hardcover book with an introduction by Jed Distler profiling Horowitz
and his special relationship with Carnegie Hall, a brief history of
Carnegie Hall, an introduction to the previously unreleased recordings
from Horowitz’s Private Collection, and facsimiles of concert flyers
and tickets, as well as comprehensive track listings and historic
photographs.
Contents: DISC 1 April 25, 1943, Carnegie Hall, (live) DISC 2/3
January 17, 1949, Carnegie Hall, (live) – includes 11 previously
unreleased recorded works DISC 4/5 February 21, 1949, Carnegie Hall,
(live) – previously unreleased except for 1 work DISC 6/7 March 20,
1950, Carnegie Hall, (live) – includes 13 previously unreleased
recorded works DISC 8/9 March 5, 1951, Carnegie Hall, (live) DISC
10/11 April 23, 1951, Carnegie Hall, (live) - includes 4 previously
unreleased recorded works DISC 12 January 12, 1953, Carnegie Hall,
(live) – previously unreleased DISC 13/14 February 25, 1953, Carnegie
Hall, (live) – includes 3 previously unreleased recorded works DISC
15/16 May 9, 1965, Carnegie Hall, (live) DISC 17/18 April 17, 1966,
Carnegie Hall, (live) – includes 6 previously unreleased recorded
works DISC 19/20 November 27, 1966, Carnegie Hall, (live) – includes 8
previously unreleased recorded works DISC 21/22 December 10, 1966,
Carnegie Hall, (live) – includes 8 previously unreleased recorded
works DISC 23/24 November 26, 1967, Carnegie Hall, (live) – includes
14 previously unreleased recorded works DISC 25 January 2, 1968,
Carnegie Hall, (live, invited audience) - previously unreleased DISC
26 February 1, 1968, Carnegie Hall, (live, invited audience) DISC
27/28 November 24, 1968, Carnegie Hall, (live) - previously unreleased
DISC 29/30 December 15, 1968, Carnegie Hall, (live) - includes 5
previously unreleased recorded works DISC 31/32 November 16, 1975,
Carnegie Hall, (live) DISC 33/34 November 23, 1975, Carnegie Hall,
(live) - previously unreleased except for 1 work DISC 35/36 May 18,
1976, Carnegie Hall, (live) DISC 37 January 8, 1978, Carnegie Hall,
(live) DISC 38 Horowitz’ “Private Collection” of Carnegie Hall live
recordings 1945-1946 – Compilation DISC 39 Horowitz’ “Private
Collection” 1947– Compilation DISC 40 Horowitz’ “Private Collection”
1948– Compilation DISC 41 Horowitz’ “Private Collection” 1949-1960–
Compilation DVD January 2 and/or February 1, 1968: Horowitz on
Television – previously unreleased
Hall, a deluxe CD edition that gathers together the complete RCA and
Columbia recitals that the legendary pianist recorded live at Carnegie
Hall between 1951 and 1978 – including eight previously unreleased
complete concerts, as well as 48 works in previously unreleased
recordings – all on 41 CDs and a DVD. The first part of the set (CDs 1–
37) consists of entire programs, including three previously unreleased
concerts taken from the Horowitz Private Collection of his recorded
performances at Carnegie Hall and four previously unreleased complete
recitals from the RCA and Columbia archives, adding the Brahms
Rhapsody in E-flat major, Op. 119 No. 4 and Debussy’s The Little
Shepherd to Horowitz’s discography. Another seven recitals will be
presented here at full length for the very first time, thanks to the
addition of 48 works in previously unreleased recordings. All of the
recitals have been painstakingly assembled and restored from the
original source materials, and are presented exactly as they were
performed, with all musical selections intact. In particular, the 1951–
53 and 1965–68 concerts, as well as the November 16 & 23, 1975
recitals, are now all presented musically unedited. These programs
cover almost Horowitz’s entire career at RCA and Columbia, and include
such milestones as the historic April 25, 1943 Tchaikovsky First
Concerto with Toscanini and the NBC Symphony Orchestra (given in aid
of US troops in World War II), the February 25, 1953 concert marking
the 25th anniversary of his American debut (including three previously
unreleased selections), the May 9, 1965 “Historic Return” marking his
first recital after a 12-year absence, the “Concert of the Century” of
May 18, 1976 marking Carnegie Hall’s 85th anniversary, and the “Golden
Jubilee Concert” of January 8, 1978 celebrating the 50th anniversary
of Horowitz’s American debut with Rachmaninoff’s Third Concerto. The
second part of the set (CDs 38–41) continues the story of Horowitz’s
“Private Collection.” Starting in 1945, Horowitz engaged the Carnegie
Hall Recording Company to record all his solo recitals at that venue.
He discontinued this practice after 1950, when RCA began recording his
concerts there. In 1986 Horowitz donated these recordings to Yale
University. After his death in 1989, RCA launched a “Private
Collection” series with individual selections chosen for release by
virtue of their historical significance within the context of
Horowitz’s career, as well as works that he did not commercially
record, such as Chopin’s F minor Fantasy, Liszt’s Légende No.2,
Kabelevsky’s Second Sonata, and Balakirev’s Islamey. The third part of
the set (the DVD) consists of the first ever release of the famous TV
concert “Horowitz on Television”. The CBS Television Network
originally aired this program on Sunday, September 22, 1968, allowing
a worldwide audience to experience Horowitz’s artistry with their very
own eyes for the first time in decades. It was rebroadcast on
Christmas Day that year, after which it remained unavailable for 45
years, until now. In addition, the CD version of the broadcast not
only contains the original “soundtrack” but also the full program in
alternate takes. Since Horowitz accurately claimed that he never
played any piece the same way twice, piano-lovers now have the
opportunity to hear multiple performances of certain works, and to
compare how Horowitz responds to different audiences on different days
with variations in nuance, tone color, touch, dynamics, tempo,
phrasing, and pedaling. This deluxe edition is accompanied by a
hardcover book with an introduction by Jed Distler profiling Horowitz
and his special relationship with Carnegie Hall, a brief history of
Carnegie Hall, an introduction to the previously unreleased recordings
from Horowitz’s Private Collection, and facsimiles of concert flyers
and tickets, as well as comprehensive track listings and historic
photographs.
Contents: DISC 1 April 25, 1943, Carnegie Hall, (live) DISC 2/3
January 17, 1949, Carnegie Hall, (live) – includes 11 previously
unreleased recorded works DISC 4/5 February 21, 1949, Carnegie Hall,
(live) – previously unreleased except for 1 work DISC 6/7 March 20,
1950, Carnegie Hall, (live) – includes 13 previously unreleased
recorded works DISC 8/9 March 5, 1951, Carnegie Hall, (live) DISC
10/11 April 23, 1951, Carnegie Hall, (live) - includes 4 previously
unreleased recorded works DISC 12 January 12, 1953, Carnegie Hall,
(live) – previously unreleased DISC 13/14 February 25, 1953, Carnegie
Hall, (live) – includes 3 previously unreleased recorded works DISC
15/16 May 9, 1965, Carnegie Hall, (live) DISC 17/18 April 17, 1966,
Carnegie Hall, (live) – includes 6 previously unreleased recorded
works DISC 19/20 November 27, 1966, Carnegie Hall, (live) – includes 8
previously unreleased recorded works DISC 21/22 December 10, 1966,
Carnegie Hall, (live) – includes 8 previously unreleased recorded
works DISC 23/24 November 26, 1967, Carnegie Hall, (live) – includes
14 previously unreleased recorded works DISC 25 January 2, 1968,
Carnegie Hall, (live, invited audience) - previously unreleased DISC
26 February 1, 1968, Carnegie Hall, (live, invited audience) DISC
27/28 November 24, 1968, Carnegie Hall, (live) - previously unreleased
DISC 29/30 December 15, 1968, Carnegie Hall, (live) - includes 5
previously unreleased recorded works DISC 31/32 November 16, 1975,
Carnegie Hall, (live) DISC 33/34 November 23, 1975, Carnegie Hall,
(live) - previously unreleased except for 1 work DISC 35/36 May 18,
1976, Carnegie Hall, (live) DISC 37 January 8, 1978, Carnegie Hall,
(live) DISC 38 Horowitz’ “Private Collection” of Carnegie Hall live
recordings 1945-1946 – Compilation DISC 39 Horowitz’ “Private
Collection” 1947– Compilation DISC 40 Horowitz’ “Private Collection”
1948– Compilation DISC 41 Horowitz’ “Private Collection” 1949-1960–
Compilation DVD January 2 and/or February 1, 1968: Horowitz on
Television – previously unreleased
Kip Williams
May 15, 2013, 9:42:57 PM5/15/13
to
markm...@gmail.com wrote, On 5/14/13 12:19 PM:
Kip W
> On Tuesday, May 14, 2013 5:07:48 AM UTC-5, td wrote:
>> Civility? That went out with the hula hoop.
>
>> Civility? That went out with the hula hoop.
>
> Well, there's hope, then. The hula hoop is coming back - it's become
> a popular exercise tool at many gyms. Now THAT'S something to get
> exercised about.
What goes around comes around.
> a popular exercise tool at many gyms. Now THAT'S something to get
> exercised about.
Kip W
Matthew B. Tepper
May 16, 2013, 12:16:20 AM5/16/13
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Only five performances of "Träumerei," and four of "Etincelles"?
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td
May 16, 2013, 6:06:27 AM5/16/13
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On May 14, 12:24 pm, David Fox <davidfox2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Far too Christian a sentiment for this group.
TD
TD
Frank Lekens
May 17, 2013, 11:16:37 AM5/17/13
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On 14-5-2013 1:39, markm...@gmail.com wrote:
> Some days - no, most days - monitoring this group is like watching Congress on C-Span - lots of people simply not getting along. Is there a rec.music.classical.civility?
yes, please be sybil!
> Some days - no, most days - monitoring this group is like watching Congress on C-Span - lots of people simply not getting along. Is there a rec.music.classical.civility?
http://youtu.be/HuEn77Lkw30
--
Frank Lekens
http://fmlekens.home.xs4all.nl/
RiRiIII
May 18, 2013, 2:30:15 AM5/18/13
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On Monday, May 13, 2013 5:29:00 PM UTC+3, William Sommerwerck wrote:
> >> I don't know if I can take this much Horowitz anymore. In my
>
> >> younger days, I would have lapped this up. Now, it might just
>
> >> sit on the shelf and I pick at one or two disks.
>
>
>
> >> I don't know if I can take this much Horowitz anymore. In my
>
> >> younger days, I would have lapped this up. Now, it might just
>
> >> sit on the shelf and I pick at one or two disks.
>
>
>
> > I agree. Don't listen to VH anymore.
>
>
>
> I've heard him butcher Kinderszenen on several recordings, which has almost
>
> turned me off to the piece. The more versions of it I hear (from any pianist),
>
> the more-aware I am of how difficult it is to interpret well.
>
> In my twilight years, I'm becoming aware that (to paraphrase William Zinsser)
>
> there is no such thing as great music, only great performances.
Mitropoulos used to say this also. Thanks.
>
>
>
> I've heard him butcher Kinderszenen on several recordings, which has almost
>
> turned me off to the piece. The more versions of it I hear (from any pianist),
>
> the more-aware I am of how difficult it is to interpret well.
>
> In my twilight years, I'm becoming aware that (to paraphrase William Zinsser)
>
> there is no such thing as great music, only great performances.
William Sommerwerck
May 18, 2013, 9:10:29 AM5/18/13
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>> In my twilight years, I'm becoming aware that (to paraphrase
>> William Zinsser) there is no such thing as great music, only
>> great performances.
> Mitropoulos used to say this also. Thanks.
Likewise. Glad to know someone else feels similarly.
>> William Zinsser) there is no such thing as great music, only
>> great performances.
> Mitropoulos used to say this also. Thanks.
A certain someone should "nota bene".
Frank Lekens
May 19, 2013, 3:23:38 AM5/19/13
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On 18-5-2013 15:10, William Sommerwerck wrote:
>>> In my twilight years, I'm becoming aware that (to paraphrase
>>> William Zinsser) there is no such thing as great music, only
>>> great performances.
>
>> Mitropoulos used to say this also. Thanks.
>
> Likewise. Glad to know someone else feels similarly.
I don't understand what it means.
>>> In my twilight years, I'm becoming aware that (to paraphrase
>>> William Zinsser) there is no such thing as great music, only
>>> great performances.
>
>> Mitropoulos used to say this also. Thanks.
>
> Likewise. Glad to know someone else feels similarly.
It sounds like saying Shakespeare never wrote a great play, but there
sure are some great performances of the texts he did write.
Gerard
May 19, 2013, 6:59:54 AM5/19/13
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Frank Lekens <frankhaaldit...@xs4all.invalid> typed:
Exactly.
If Dickens or the president of the USA or the pope would have said the same, it
still would remain the same <fill in whatever you use to name drivel>.
If Dickens or the president of the USA or the pope would have said the same, it
still would remain the same <fill in whatever you use to name drivel>.
William Sommerwerck
May 19, 2013, 10:16:51 AM5/19/13
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"Frank Lekens" wrote in message
news:51987ded$0$15912$e4fe...@news2.news.xs4all.nl...
I could add another quote... "There is nothing either good or bad but thinking
makes it so."
For the moment, let's gloss over the probably unanswerable question of how we
/know/ whether a musical work is "great", by saying that it's likely an
emotional and/or intellectual reaction keyed partly by the way our nervous
systems are wired, and partly by experience.
In practice, we know music only by hearing it performed. We've all had the
experience of hearing a work we didn't care for -- until so-and-so performed
it with insight it had not previously received. Indeed, our reaction is
sometimes "I used to think that piece was bull hockey, but now it seems to be
good music."
Not many works are performance-proof. (The Dvorak 8th and the Paganini
"Rhapsody" come to mind.) The performer has to convey the greatness of great
works to the listener. Performers sometimes "find things" that reveal a
seemingly not-very-good work has a lot going for it.
Perhaps someday someone will do this for RegeR. But I'm not holding my breath.
news:51987ded$0$15912$e4fe...@news2.news.xs4all.nl...
makes it so."
For the moment, let's gloss over the probably unanswerable question of how we
/know/ whether a musical work is "great", by saying that it's likely an
emotional and/or intellectual reaction keyed partly by the way our nervous
systems are wired, and partly by experience.
In practice, we know music only by hearing it performed. We've all had the
experience of hearing a work we didn't care for -- until so-and-so performed
it with insight it had not previously received. Indeed, our reaction is
sometimes "I used to think that piece was bull hockey, but now it seems to be
good music."
Not many works are performance-proof. (The Dvorak 8th and the Paganini
"Rhapsody" come to mind.) The performer has to convey the greatness of great
works to the listener. Performers sometimes "find things" that reveal a
seemingly not-very-good work has a lot going for it.
Perhaps someday someone will do this for RegeR. But I'm not holding my breath.
RiRiIII
Jun 6, 2013, 8:05:37 AM6/6/13
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On Sunday, May 12, 2013 4:46:13 AM UTC+3, ken...@hotmail.com wrote:
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>
>
> I'm on board. There's too much good material here to pass up. These should fly off the shelves.
Lowest price so far at amazon.it: 82.--EUR (incl. VAT)!
http://www.amazon.it/gp/product/B00BT70J6S/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Ordered!
AR
> On Friday, May 10, 2013 1:38:24 PM UTC-5, woytek wrote:
>
> > season for piano boxes continuous, 42 CDs
>
> >
>
> > http://www.amazon.co.uk/Vladimir-Horowitz-Live-Carnegie-Hall/dp/B00BT70J6S/ref=sr_1_4?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1368210891&sr=1-4
>
> > season for piano boxes continuous, 42 CDs
>
> >
>
>
>
>
> I'm on board. There's too much good material here to pass up. These should fly off the shelves.
Lowest price so far at amazon.it: 82.--EUR (incl. VAT)!
http://www.amazon.it/gp/product/B00BT70J6S/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Ordered!
AR
JohnGavin
Jun 6, 2013, 10:33:55 AM6/6/13
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On Sunday, May 12, 2013 8:47:01 PM UTC-4, O wrote:
> In article
>
> <661419bd-0be2-4dfc...@w13g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
>
> woytek <bar...@op.pl> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Program of the complete recitals from the box:
>
> > Source: http://vladimirhorowitz.hostzi.com/1_4_Concertography.html
>
> >
>
>
>
> In article
>
> <661419bd-0be2-4dfc...@w13g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
>
> woytek <bar...@op.pl> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Program of the complete recitals from the box:
>
> > Source: http://vladimirhorowitz.hostzi.com/1_4_Concertography.html
>
> >
>
>
>
> I don't know if I can take this much Horowitz anymore. In my younger
>
> days, I would have lapped this up. Now, it might just sit on the shelf
>
> and I pick at one or two disks.
>
>
>
> -Owen
>
> days, I would have lapped this up. Now, it might just sit on the shelf
>
> and I pick at one or two disks.
>
>
>
I feel the same way. It's interesting to look over these recital programs - the bulk of his recital repertoire consisted mostly of smaller pieces. Trends seemed to have changed.
I will say though that Horowitz was far more satisfying live than on recordings.
hel...@hotmail.com
Aug 2, 2013, 1:20:00 PM8/2/13
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On Saturday, May 11, 2013 1:40:32 PM UTC-4, David Fox wrote:
>
>
>
> These companies are geniuses at concocting ways to force us to re-buy
>
> dozens of CD's that we've already re-bought multiple times over the
>
> years in order to acquire new material. On balance (especially given
>
> current megabox pricing) I think there's much more to be happy about
>
> than to complain about. Ten years ago, how much would we have been
>
> willing to pay for the better part of the Yale and Carnegie Hall
>
> Horowitz sound archives in a single box?
>
>
>
> DF
Dear All... 'new to the group with a question: I purchased the big box of Horowitz: Original Jacket Collection. I noticed a repeat of many of the same recitals but have no means to measure how many. Does it make any sense purchasing this second box?... ;-/
> >> On May 10, 2:38 pm, woytek <bar...@op.pl> wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >>> season for piano boxes continuous, 42 CDshttp://www.amazon.co.uk/Vladimir-Horowitz-Live-Carnegie-Hall/dp/B00BT...
>
> >>
>
> >> WHAT can this possibly be? There are not enough issued CDs from
>
> >> Carnegie Hall to fill 42 CDs.
>
> >>
>
> >> Is this a new issue, including ALL of Horowitz's CH concerts?
>
> >>
>
> >> TD
>
> >
>
> > here are the details: http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/Vladimir-Horowitz-Life-at-Carnegie-Hall/hnum/3457492
>
> > looks really impressing
>
> >
>
>
>
> Wow! This looks like a "must" for Horowitz fans.
>
> >>
>
> >>> season for piano boxes continuous, 42 CDshttp://www.amazon.co.uk/Vladimir-Horowitz-Live-Carnegie-Hall/dp/B00BT...
>
> >>
>
> >> WHAT can this possibly be? There are not enough issued CDs from
>
> >> Carnegie Hall to fill 42 CDs.
>
> >>
>
> >> Is this a new issue, including ALL of Horowitz's CH concerts?
>
> >>
>
> >> TD
>
> >
>
> > here are the details: http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/Vladimir-Horowitz-Life-at-Carnegie-Hall/hnum/3457492
>
> > looks really impressing
>
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> These companies are geniuses at concocting ways to force us to re-buy
>
> dozens of CD's that we've already re-bought multiple times over the
>
> years in order to acquire new material. On balance (especially given
>
> current megabox pricing) I think there's much more to be happy about
>
> than to complain about. Ten years ago, how much would we have been
>
> willing to pay for the better part of the Yale and Carnegie Hall
>
> Horowitz sound archives in a single box?
>
>
>
> DF
Dear All... 'new to the group with a question: I purchased the big box of Horowitz: Original Jacket Collection. I noticed a repeat of many of the same recitals but have no means to measure how many. Does it make any sense purchasing this second box?... ;-/
gary....@thet.net
Aug 3, 2013, 12:01:07 PM8/3/13
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On Friday, May 10, 2013 2:38:24 PM UTC-4, woytek wrote:
> season for piano boxes continuous, 42 CDs
>
> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Vladimir-Horowitz-Live-Carnegie-Hall/dp/B00BT70J6S/ref=sr_1_4?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1368210891&sr=1-4
> season for piano boxes continuous, 42 CDs
>
Let me just say this: amazon.uk currently has this 42 CD box set at a pre-order price of approx. $97 USD. (amazon.us has it at $175)
Does this clarify the issue for many of you fence sitters?
Cheers -
Steve de Mena
Aug 6, 2013, 4:43:27 AM8/6/13
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price again, it will likely be lower, and/or some Amazon Marketplace
sellers will have it for less.
Steve
nathan.b...@gmail.com
Aug 21, 2013, 12:50:23 PM8/21/13
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Indeed, it does include the previously unreleased Nov. 24th performance and it's been remastered!
On Saturday, May 11, 2013 10:33:31 AM UTC-4, Mandryka wrote:
> On 11 May, 13:10, td <tomdedea...@mac.com> wrote:
>
> on an Italian label called Capital Musica
>
>
>
> If it does and if it has been remastered, I'd be interested,
On Saturday, May 11, 2013 10:33:31 AM UTC-4, Mandryka wrote:
> On 11 May, 13:10, td <tomdedea...@mac.com> wrote:
>
> > On May 10, 2:38 pm, woytek <bar...@op.pl> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > > season for piano boxes continuous, 42 CDshttp://www.amazon.co.uk/Vladimir-Horowitz-Live-Carnegie-Hall/dp/B00BT...
>
> >
>
> > WHAT can this possibly be? There are not enough issued CDs from
>
> > Carnegie Hall to fill 42 CDs.
>
> >
>
> > Is this a new issue, including ALL of Horowitz's CH concerts?
>
> >
>
> > TD
>
>
>
> I wonder if it will include 24 November 1968? It originally appeared
> > On May 10, 2:38 pm, woytek <bar...@op.pl> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > > season for piano boxes continuous, 42 CDshttp://www.amazon.co.uk/Vladimir-Horowitz-Live-Carnegie-Hall/dp/B00BT...
>
> >
>
> > WHAT can this possibly be? There are not enough issued CDs from
>
> > Carnegie Hall to fill 42 CDs.
>
> >
>
> > Is this a new issue, including ALL of Horowitz's CH concerts?
>
> >
>
> > TD
>
>
>
>
> on an Italian label called Capital Musica
>
>
>
> If it does and if it has been remastered, I'd be interested,
Mark Obert-Thorn
Sep 2, 2013, 10:01:17 AM9/2/13
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On Saturday, August 3, 2013 12:01:07 PM UTC-4, gary....@thet.net wrote:
> On Friday, May 10, 2013 2:38:24 PM UTC-4, woytek wrote: > season for piano boxes continuous, 42 CDs > > http://www.amazon.co.uk/Vladimir-Horowitz-Live-Carnegie-Hall/dp/B00BT70J6S/ref=sr_1_4?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1368210891&sr=1-4 Let me just say this: amazon.uk currently has this 42 CD box set at a pre-order price of approx. $97 USD. (amazon.us has it at $175) Does this clarify the issue for many of you fence sitters? Cheers -
My copy just shipped from MDT -- $89.60 for the set, $29.57 for air shipping to the US for a total of $119.17. Amazon US currently has this at $134.10 (it was $131 last week) with free shipping. ImportCDs has it for $94.59, but I don't know what the shipping costs are. They only charged $3.49 for the Sony "Wagner at the MET" box, which was 25 CDs, so it might turn out ultimately to be cheaper than MDT; however, it's being released a month later (September 30th) in the USA.
> On Friday, May 10, 2013 2:38:24 PM UTC-4, woytek wrote: > season for piano boxes continuous, 42 CDs > > http://www.amazon.co.uk/Vladimir-Horowitz-Live-Carnegie-Hall/dp/B00BT70J6S/ref=sr_1_4?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1368210891&sr=1-4 Let me just say this: amazon.uk currently has this 42 CD box set at a pre-order price of approx. $97 USD. (amazon.us has it at $175) Does this clarify the issue for many of you fence sitters? Cheers -
Mark O-T
Mort
Sep 2, 2013, 9:33:36 PM9/2/13
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1) Yes, it was remastered.
2) A lecture about this remastered box will be given next month in
N.Y.C. by the remaster engineer, and I hope to be there.
Mort Linder
Mark Obert-Thorn
Sep 4, 2013, 2:33:07 PM9/4/13
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On Monday, September 2, 2013 10:01:17 AM UTC-4, Mark Obert-Thorn wrote:
> My copy just shipped from MDT -- $89.60 for the set, $29.57 for air shipping to the US for a total of $119.17.
Unbelievably, my copy has already arrived from MDT (just shipped Monday from London to suburban Philadelphia via FedEx). Nice packaging; just about to start listening. I think I'll be a little busy for the next two or three months . . .
> My copy just shipped from MDT -- $89.60 for the set, $29.57 for air shipping to the US for a total of $119.17.
Mark O-T
David Fox
Sep 4, 2013, 11:33:07 PM9/4/13
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long it takes to show up in Southern California.
DF
td
Sep 5, 2013, 5:44:58 AM9/5/13
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Shipping starts on September 10.
TD
Bozo
Sep 5, 2013, 8:23:41 AM9/5/13
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>On Monday, May 13, 2013 5:46:50 PM UTC-5, td wrote:
> There was hardly what I would call an "honest" performance in the
> bunch.
Even Wanda could not make an honest man of him.
> There was hardly what I would call an "honest" performance in the
> bunch.
Even Wanda could not make an honest man of him.
gggg gggg
Aug 8, 2021, 3:04:11 PM8/8/21
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On Friday, May 10, 2013 at 11:38:24 AM UTC-7, woytek wrote:
> season for piano boxes continuous, 42 CDs
> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Vladimir-Horowitz-Live-Carnegie-Hall/dp/B00BT70J6S/ref=sr_1_4?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1368210891&sr=1-4
> season for piano boxes continuous, 42 CDs
https://www.wfmt.com/2021/08/08/vladimir-horowitz-recital-at-carnegie-hall-april-2-1948
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