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Andrew Clarke

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Oct 29, 2001, 5:46:15 PM10/29/01
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When i numbered the recordings listed on each of the four pages of The
Gramophone's list, I inadvertently jumped fromm 119 to 200 on two of
the pages. As some of you may know, the number after 119 is actually
120, and this of course affected the percentage figures. So:

At least one British artist/ensemble 36%
British recording company 37%
British artist(s) + non-British on British recording company 51 %
DGG 23%
Archiv 4 %
Teldec (a German company owned by Time Warner)3%
Philips 9%

American (Sony,RCA,Mercury,Nonesuch) 8 %
Naxos 2%

If The Gramophone is provincial, its province is called western
Europe.

Andrew Clarke
Canberra

Rajeev Aloysius

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Oct 29, 2001, 11:26:56 PM10/29/01
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a...@cts.canberra.edu.au (Andrew Clarke) wrote in message news:<d7a4da7a.01102...@posting.google.com>...

Thank you, Andrew, you have brought some objectivity to Gramophone
bashing on rmcr.

Since most music recorded originated in Western Europe and
particularly in Prussia (at least the major repertoire), this seems to
make sense.

How about American artistes on British labels recommendations? Aren't
there quite a few of those?

Regards
Rajeev Aloysius
raj...@starmail.com

Paul Goldstein

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Oct 30, 2001, 12:51:33 PM10/30/01
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raj...@starmail.com (Rajeev Aloysius) wrote in message news:<28a37761.01102...@posting.google.com>...

> a...@cts.canberra.edu.au (Andrew Clarke) wrote in message news:<d7a4da7a.01102...@posting.google.com>...
> > When i numbered the recordings listed on each of the four pages of The
> > Gramophone's list, I inadvertently jumped fromm 119 to 200 on two of
> > the pages. As some of you may know, the number after 119 is actually
> > 120, and this of course affected the percentage figures. So:
> >
> > At least one British artist/ensemble 36%
> > British recording company 37%
> > British artist(s) + non-British on British recording company 51 %
> > DGG 23%
> > Archiv 4 %
> > Teldec (a German company owned by Time Warner)3%
> > Philips 9%
> >
> > American (Sony,RCA,Mercury,Nonesuch) 8 %
> > Naxos 2%
> >
> > If The Gramophone is provincial, its province is called western
> > Europe.
> >
> > Andrew Clarke
> > Canberra
>
> Thank you, Andrew, you have brought some objectivity to Gramophone
> bashing on rmcr.
>
> Since most music recorded originated in Western Europe and
> particularly in Prussia (at least the major repertoire), this seems to
> make sense.


So Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, and Haydn were Prussian, eh?

Rajeev Aloysius

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Oct 30, 2001, 8:51:48 PM10/30/01
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pgold...@aol.com (Paul Goldstein) wrote in message news:<15857599.01103...@posting.google.com>...

> So Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, and Haydn were Prussian, eh?

Not politically, but you could call Germany, Austria, Poland and
Czechoslovakia part of the former Prussian empire, and if you take
"Franco-Prussian" include France as well. So that would include
Chopin, Dvorak et al too.

I know Italy is not included (which influenced the Germanic composers
a lot), but Gramophone doesn't seem to recommend many Italian
performances in RR.


Regards
Rajeev

Rajeev Aloysius

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Oct 30, 2001, 9:00:29 PM10/30/01
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pgold...@aol.com (Paul Goldstein) wrote in message > So Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, and Haydn were Prussian, eh?

I see your point. I usually generalise the Prussian Empire to be the
Germanic and surrounding lands. I see that this is not so.
Even at first I did not imply that they were politically Prussians.

http://www.arts.uwaterloo.ca/GERM/g272/1815.htm

Thanks for the gentle non-flame comment.

Regards
Rajeev

Andrew Clarke

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Oct 30, 2001, 11:50:33 PM10/30/01
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raj...@starmail.com (Rajeev Aloysius) wrote in message news:<28a37761.01102...@posting.google.com>...
> a...@cts.canberra.edu.au (Andrew Clarke) wrote in message news:<d7a4da7a.01102...@posting.google.com>...
> > When i numbered the recordings listed on each of the four pages of The
> > Gramophone's list, I inadvertently jumped fromm 119 to 200 on two of
> > the pages. As some of you may know, the number after 119 is actually
> > 120, and this of course affected the percentage figures. So:
> >
> > At least one British artist/ensemble 36%
> > British recording company 37%
> > British artist(s) + non-British on British recording company 51 %
> > DGG 23%
> > Archiv 4 %
> > Teldec (a German company owned by Time Warner)3%
> > Philips 9%
> >
> > American (Sony,RCA,Mercury,Nonesuch) 8 %
> > Naxos 2%
> >
> > If The Gramophone is provincial, its province is called western
> > Europe.
> >
> > Andrew Clarke
> > Canberra
>
> Thank you, Andrew, you have brought some objectivity to Gramophone
> bashing on rmcr.
>
> Since most music recorded originated in Western Europe and
> particularly in Prussia (at least the major repertoire), this seems to
> make sense.

Appropriately enough, the label that appears most frequently is DGG
with 100 entries, with EMI coming second, with about 65. There are
quite a few Archiv and Teldec items as well. I don't have my notes
with me, but I think that the total number of
DGG/Archiv/Teldec/Philips is slightly larger than the total for
British labels.

>
> How about American artistes on British labels recommendations? Aren't
> there quite a few of those?
>
> Regards
> Rajeev Aloysius
> raj...@starmail.com

The most outstanding North American artists would be Charles Dutoit
and the Montreal Symphony Orchestra -- on EMI.

ajc
c

Andrew Clarke

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Nov 1, 2001, 1:13:39 AM11/1/01
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raj...@starmail.com (Rajeev Aloysius) wrote in message news:<28a37761.01103...@posting.google.com>...

> pgold...@aol.com (Paul Goldstein) wrote in message news:<15857599.01103...@posting.google.com>...
>
> I know Italy is not included (which influenced the Germanic composers
> a lot), but Gramophone doesn't seem to recommend many Italian
> performances in RR.

>rajeev

That's largely a reflection of the composers they include and exclude
from this list, which seems to be aimed at producing what might have
been considered a good, solid, middle-brow collection about forty
years ago. There is very little pre-Bach, for example -- Monteverdi
(the Vespers, the Madrigals), Purcell, Tallis (but if he'd written
Spem in alium for SATB I'm sure he wouldn't be there either!). So
there's no Corelli, Geminiani, Albinoni, Locatelli, etc. And as
there's nothing too avant-garde, there's no Bruno Maderna or Lucian
Berio either.

There's no French baroque music either, and that cuts back the French
contribution (about 5% of the total listings).

The Maria Callas recordings listed look Italian, apart from the record
company (EMI)but althiough the orchestra isn't named in the list, I
know it was one of the London orchestra, so I counted them as British
performances!

I really wonder how many people bother to consult this list, or even
manage to find it.

>
> Regards
> Rajeev

Best wishes,
Andrew C.

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