Boston Symphony Chamber Players - RCA box set questions
Mr. Mike
getting rid of.
It was by the Boston Symphony Chamber Players, a 3-LP set on RCA which
contained Poulenc's Sextet plus other pieces.
I think that box set is referred to on this page:
http://tinyurl.com/yhrd6wc
But there it says this set contained a fourth LP where Peter Ustinov
discussed the works. My copy of this box set did >not< have this bonus
LP.
I thought this collection contained the BSCP playing a piece by Webern
(Concerto?) ... or was that some OTHER box set?
Mark Obert-Thorn
> Going through my LP collection, I recall one box set that I regret
> getting rid of.
>
> It was by the Boston Symphony Chamber Players, a 3-LP set on RCA which
> contained Poulenc's Sextet plus other pieces.
>
> I think that box set is referred to on this page:http://tinyurl.com/yhrd6wc
>
> But there it says this set contained a fourth LP where Peter Ustinov
> discussed the works. My copy of this box set did >not< have this bonus
> LP.
IIRC, that extra disc was a 10-inch LP, and I've seen this in Dynaflex
pressings. I can't think of another 10-inch LP that RCA issued
(Classical, anyway) after 1952 except for this one. Can anyone else?
Mark O-T
Matthew�B.�Tepper
typed in news:3r8dg5566nrk0so3q...@4ax.com:
I think there was another boxed set, although I can't recall details.
Ustinov's bonus disc was, I think, a 10" LP, something of a rarity from RCA
at that point.
Thanks also for the link, which shows how jaw-droppingly comprehensive
Billboard's coverage of classical music was in those days.
--
Matthew B. Tepper: WWW, science fiction, classical music, ducks!
Read about "Proty" here: http://home.earthlink.net/~oy/proty.html
To write to me, do for my address what Androcles did for the lion
Opinions expressed here are not necessarily those of my employers
Frank Berger
> Mr. Mike <m...@spamcop.net> appears to have caused the following
> letters to be typed in
> news:3r8dg5566nrk0so3q...@4ax.com:
>
>> Going through my LP collection, I recall one box set that I regret
>> getting rid of.
>>
>> It was by the Boston Symphony Chamber Players, a 3-LP set on RCA
>> which contained Poulenc's Sextet plus other pieces.
>>
>> I think that box set is referred to on this page:
>> http://tinyurl.com/yhrd6wc
>>
>> But there it says this set contained a fourth LP where Peter Ustinov
>> discussed the works. My copy of this box set did >not< have this
>> bonus LP.
>>
>> I thought this collection contained the BSCP playing a piece by
>> Webern (Concerto?) ... or was that some OTHER box set?
>
> I think there was another boxed set, although I can't recall details.
>
> Ustinov's bonus disc was, I think, a 10" LP, something of a rarity
> from RCA at that point.
>
> Thanks also for the link, which shows how jaw-droppingly comprehensive
> Billboard's coverage of classical music was in those days.
Though even then, CM was relegated to page 40. Did you note the
Castelnuovo-Tedesco obit?
Dontait...@aol.com
The late releases in the 10" "Concert Cameo" series (LRM- prefix)
have matrix codes indicating that they were prepared in 1953. LRM-7054
(Rossini: Semiramide and William Tell overtures -- Toscanini/NBC)
indicates 1954. I own about eight of them. I don't have full
information nor have I made an effort to get records in the series I
wasn't intrerested in, but I'd speculate that 1954 was the end for
10", at least classical. LRY-8000 ("The Little Ballerina" and short
Stokowski selections -- he didn't conduct "The Little Ballerina") is
1953, as is LRT-7000, devoted to Florence Foster Jenkins. I don't own
a 10" LM- series with a higher matrix code than 1952, however.
I'd be willing to make a sizeable bet that the Ustinov record was
the only RCA Victor stereo 10" LP, though. At least except for
possible limited or private releases.
Don Tait
jrsnfld
In my copy of LSC-6189, there's the Webern Concerto and the Poulenc
Sextet, along with pieces by Dahl, Martinu (Nonet), Schubert (Trout)
and Brahms (PT op. 9). It doesn't have the Ustinov bonus.
--Jeff
Mark Obert-Thorn
> I'd be willing to make a sizeable bet that the Ustinov record was
> the only RCA Victor stereo 10" LP, though. At least except for
> possible limited or private releases.
My recollection of this set was that the 10-inch lecture record was in
mono, even though the rest of the BSO Chamber set was in stereo.
Mark O-T
DF
K370; LvB Serenade, Op. 25; Brahms, Op. 60; Fine Fantasia for String
Trio; Copland, Vitebsk; Carter, Woodwind Quintet; & Piston,
Divertimento for 9 Instruments. My copy includes notes by Peter
Ustinov and a 10" "Chamber Music Discussion" with excerpts and
discussion. The 12" LP's seem to be Dynaflex; the 10" is not. A
marvelous set. I can't recall ever having seen the box with Poulenc's
Sextet. Not sure this helps.
Daniel Frank
On Nov 20, 9:12 am, Mr. Mike <m...@spamcop.net> wrote:
Mr. Mike
wrote:
>In my copy of LSC-6189, there's the Webern Concerto and the Poulenc
>Sextet, along with pieces by Dahl, Martinu (Nonet), Schubert (Trout)
>and Brahms (PT op. 9). It doesn't have the Ustinov bonus.
I've tracked down two more BSCP LPs:
RCA LSC-3166 -- SCHUBERT / PIANO TRIO - MILHAUD / PASTORALE FOR OBOE
CLARINET AND BASSOON - HINDEMITH / KLEINE KAMMERMUSIK
RCA LSC-6184 -- MOZART - BRAHMS - SCHUBERT - POULENC - COLGRASS -
VILLA-LOBOS - HAIEFF (this is the one with the Ustinov record, but
what are the pieces?)
Dontait...@aol.com
My copy -- SPS 33-417 -- says "Stereo Dynagroove" on the bottom rims
of the labels. Much of my equipment isn't currently working, so I
can't play the record to verify it.
My copy is a so-called "white dog" pressing, if that means anything
(I regard all of that business with amusement, but that's another
topic).
Don Tait
jrsnfld
> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 10:56:46 -0800 (PST), jrsnfld <jrsn...@aol.com>
RCA LSC 6184: Mozart: Qt. Pf in G minor K478, Quintet in E flat for
Pf. & Winds K452, Brahms: Trio in E flat for Horn Vln. & Pf. op. 40,
Schubert; Strg. Trio No. 1 in B flat D471, Poulenc: Trio for Oboe,
Bassoon & Pf., Haieff: 3 Bagatelles for Oboe & Bassoon, (1955), Villa-
Lobos: Bachianas Brasileiras No. 6 for Flute & Bassoon, (1938),
Colgrass: Vars. for Four Drums & Vla.
--Jeff
jrsnfld
So, to clarify: it seems that you had the box with the Poulenc Sextet,
Schubert Quintet, and Webern Concerto, not the box with the Poulenc
Trio, Schubert String Trio, and the Ustinov "extra" record.
--Jeff
Mr. Mike
wrote:
>So, to clarify: it seems that you had the box with the Poulenc Sextet,
>Schubert Quintet, and Webern Concerto, not the box with the Poulenc
>Trio, Schubert String Trio, and the Ustinov "extra" record.
That's correct. I would like to know what all these boxes look like
now... ":-/
jrsnfld
> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:32:24 -0800 (PST), jrsnfld <jrsn...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
> >So, to clarify: it seems that you had the box with the Poulenc Sextet,
> >Schubert Quintet, and Webern Concerto, not the box with the Poulenc
> >Trio, Schubert String Trio, and the Ustinov "extra" record.
>
> That's correct. I would like to know what all these boxes look like
> now... ":-/
Ah...check the eBay auction for the cover of the box with the Ustinov:
I don't recall this cover, so it may be that my used copy (where did I
stow it?...it did not have the Ustinov record), was a different issue
or I have a bad memory. The cover of LSC6189 has an ornate music stand
with mug shots of the six composers on it, with a black background.
--Jeff
Mr. Mike
wrote:
>Ah...check the eBay auction for the cover of the box with the Ustinov:
>
>I don't recall this cover...
Hmmm, neither do I.
Allen
ignored this superb group when the CD came along. Shades of Nonesuch!
Allen
Matthew�B.�Tepper
be typed in news:e8CdnVfZZ6REm5XW...@giganews.com:
Amen to that, brother! As for Nonesuch, I have their Brahms Quintets,
Copland Piano Quartet and Sextet, Dvorak Sextet and Smetana Piano Trio, all
of which escaped from behind the Vinyl Curtain before Nonesuch clamped down
on their reissue program.
Matthew�B.�Tepper
typed in news:2jpeg59igt0e30lel...@4ax.com:
I remember one cover in the series -- perhaps the other box? -- had a mostly-
green background. Does anybody remember that, or perhaps have an image?
Matthew�B.�Tepper
Well, yes, but it was substantive, detailed, and interesting, as compared
to coverage of recent years which is trivial, error-ridden, and seemingly
copied-and-pasted from puffy press releases -- in short, worthless.
I admit, I haven't actually looked at an issue of Billboard for a few
years, but I cannot imagine that they would consider investing any money or
effort in improving what used to pass as their classical music "coverage."
> Did you note the Castelnuovo-Tedesco obit?
Yes, particularly because one of his grandsons is an internet friend.
Castelnuovo-Tedesco is not a particularly common name!
Allen
> Allen <all...@austin.rr.com> appears to have caused the following letters to
> be typed in news:e8CdnVfZZ6REm5XW...@giganews.com:
>
>> Mr. Mike wrote:
>>> Going through my LP collection, I recall one box set that I regret
>>> getting rid of.
>>>
>>> It was by the Boston Symphony Chamber Players, a 3-LP set on RCA which
>>> contained Poulenc's Sextet plus other pieces.
>>>
>>> I think that box set is referred to on this page:
>>> http://tinyurl.com/yhrd6wc
>>>
>>> But there it says this set contained a fourth LP where Peter Ustinov
>>> discussed the works. My copy of this box set did >not< have this bonus
>>> LP.
>>>
>>> I thought this collection contained the BSCP playing a piece by Webern
>>> (Concerto?) ... or was that some OTHER box set?
>> The saddest thing about the BCP recordings is the way RCA totally
>> ignored this superb group when the CD came along. Shades of Nonesuch!
>
> Amen to that, brother! As for Nonesuch, I have their Brahms Quintets,
> Copland Piano Quartet and Sextet, Dvorak Sextet and Smetana Piano Trio, all
> of which escaped from behind the Vinyl Curtain before Nonesuch clamped down
> on their reissue program.
>
went away--especially the En Blanc et Noir with Kalish; that performance
shows the anger that was in Debussy better than any other I've heard.
Allen
Stan Punzel
After going through this thread, I fulled out my copy. Cover show a
music stand in a bucolic setting. The Ustinov record is a full 12 inch
one. (note to self, I need to look at my LP shelves more!!)
Stan Punzel
td
> Matthew B. Tepper wrote:
> > Allen <all...@austin.rr.com> appears to have caused the following letters to
You would have been angry too if your country was torn with war and
millions were dying in the fields.
TD
Steve de Mena
> And I'm glad that I latched onto Paul Jacobs' Debussy discs before they
> went away--especially the En Blanc et Noir with Kalish; that performance
> shows the anger that was in Debussy better than any other I've heard.
> Allen
I think those Paul Jacobs' Debussy CDs are still available.
Steve
td
Oh, dear. You just ruined Tepper's day, Steve.
TD
Gerard
Does he really buy _everything_ that is avaibale?
Or is his point that he wants to buy everything that is not available?
Bob Lombard
bl
Steve de Mena
But there will always be *something* not reissued, and hence something
to complain about.
We've been fortunate for all that has been reissued on CD, though much
of it is now OOP... I feel the number of "new to CD" issues will
decrease each year. The best we can hope for is electronic (downloads).
Steve
Gerard
> I feel the number of "new to CD" issues will
> decrease each year.
Probably you're right.
But one of the reasons for it is that a lot of recordings (maybe the best
selling ones) already have been issued on CD.
td
He buys everything he "should" be seen to buy, and wants to buy
everything that isn't available.
In other words, he's a whining no-nothing keeper-up-with-the-Joneses.
Schmuck is another word one might use.
That's just my opinion. Others may describe him differently, of
course.
TD
td
> Bob Lombard wrote:
> > Gerard wrote:
> >> td wrote:
> >>> On Nov 23, 8:32 pm, Steve de Mena <st...@stevedemena.com> wrote:
> >>>> Allen wrote:
> >>>>> And I'm glad that I latched onto Paul Jacobs' Debussy discs
> >>>>> before they went away--especially the En Blanc et Noir with
> >>>>> Kalish; that performance shows the anger that was in Debussy
> >>>>> better than any other I've heard. Allen
> >>>> I think those Paul Jacobs' Debussy CDs are still available.
> >>> Oh, dear. You just ruined Tepper's day, Steve.
>
> >> Does he really buy _everything_ that is avaibale?
> >> Or is his point that he wants to buy everything that is not available?
>
> > Maybe everything that hasn't been reissued on CD?
>
> > bl
>
> But there will always be *something* not reissued, and hence something
> to complain about.
>
> We've been fortunate for all that has been reissued on CD, though much
> of it is now OOP...
Giving Tepper another reason to kvetsch.
He also wants everything he likes to be permanently available.
TD
td
Correct.
And nobody except Tepper wants that L'Histoire du Soldat he's always
whining about.
TD
O
<7de656a6-45a5-4cce...@p36g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>, td
<tomde...@mac.com> wrote:
>
> That's just my opinion. Others may describe him differently, of
> course.
>
> TD
You're blowing in the wind, Tom. He's killfiled you. You can't get a
rise out of him. Best to stick to those that still read you.
-Owen
Gerard
That's would be too easy (for Tepper or other killfilers), using killfiling to
put someone to silence. That's not how it works.
O
Gerard <ghen_nospam_driksen�@hotmail.com> wrote:
That is how it works. On the Internet, if there's no one there to hear
you, you're still wrong.
-Owen
Gerard
It does not work that way. You've heard Tom very well, in spite of Tepper's
killfiling.
O
Gerard <ghen_nospam_driksen�@hotmail.com> wrote:
There's others I don't hear, because I've killfiled them. If enough
people killfile them, then they lose their audience.
-Owen
Kip Williams
> There's others I don't hear, because I've killfiled them. If enough
> people killfile them, then they lose their audience.
And sometimes they start showing up in my reader again because they've
changed address. I sometimes let them stay in a day or so to see if
they're still prime killfile candidates. This happened just this week,
but I've already moved on to the terminal phase, and that poster's
history again.
Kip W
Bob Lombard
My problem in the past hasn't been the presence of their posts, but
rather controlling the urge to respond. I've been doing better at that
lately (though JW will not agree, I suspect). It ain't the reading of
posts that encourages them y'know, it's seeing responses.
bl
Matthew�B.�Tepper
to be typed in news:251120090128426591%ow...@denofinequityx.com:
> There's others I don't hear, because I've killfiled them. If enough
> people killfile them, then they lose their audience.
One nice feature of Xnews is the "Skip Quoted Text" button, which looks kind
of like a right angle-bracket with a left-pointing arrow underneath it.
Anyway, its usefulness is that if I see somebody is quoting an undesirable, I
click on this button and it skips past the detritus to the reply. Many times
I'll skip any discussion that's been polluted by an undesirable already.
Thus, the people in my killfile become rather like Yosemite Sam trapped in a
soundproof booth -- you can tell they're leapin' around and cursin', but you
just don't have to listen.
CharlesSmith
> Thus, the people in my killfile become rather like Yosemite Sam trapped in a
> soundproof booth -- you can tell they're leapin' around and cursin', but you
> just don't have to listen.
>
How can you tell that people in your killfile are cursing?
Gerard
> On 25 Nov, 15:40, "Matthew B. Tepper" <oy�@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > Thus, the people in my killfile become rather like Yosemite Sam
> > trapped in a soundproof booth -- you can tell they're leapin'
> > around and cursin', but you just don't have to listen.
> >
>
> How can you tell that people in your killfile are cursing?
By using Google Groups to see what he's missing.
Matthew�B.�Tepper
letters to be typed in news:kJbPm.32709$ZF3....@newsfe13.iad:
I figure that if they begin hurling insults, they're just not fit to deal
with as human beings, and PLONK, in they go. Who needs them?
Matthew�B.�Tepper
following letters to be typed in
> Thus, the people in my killfile become rather like Yosemite Sam trapped
> in a soundproof booth -- you can tell they're leapin' around and cursin',
> but you just don't have to listen.
Silly me! Yosemite Sam doesn't "leap"; he "hops"! More pathetic that way.
Matthew�B.�Tepper
following letters to be typed in news:WccPm.17433$Td3.4986@en-nntp-
01.dc1.easynews.com:
> My problem in the past hasn't been the presence of their posts, but
> rather controlling the urge to respond. I've been doing better at that
> lately (though JW will not agree, I suspect). It ain't the reading of
> posts that encourages them y'know, it's seeing responses.
True, but it doesn't hurt to make a specific point of ignoring them.
O
Matthew�B.�Tepper <oy�@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Bob Lombard <thorste...@vermontel.net> appears to have caused the
> following letters to be typed in news:WccPm.17433$Td3.4986@en-nntp-
> 01.dc1.easynews.com:
>
> > My problem in the past hasn't been the presence of their posts, but
> > rather controlling the urge to respond. I've been doing better at that
> > lately (though JW will not agree, I suspect). It ain't the reading of
> > posts that encourages them y'know, it's seeing responses.
>
> True, but it doesn't hurt to make a specific point of ignoring them.
I think that there's a good majority of posters here who don't have to
turn every thread into a personal attack, but they get overshadowed by
the prolific few that do.
-Owen
Kip Williams
> Kip Williams<k...@rochester.rr.com> appears to have caused the following
> letters to be typed in news:kJbPm.32709$ZF3....@newsfe13.iad:
>> O wrote:
>>
>>> There's others I don't hear, because I've killfiled them. If enough
>>> people killfile them, then they lose their audience.
>>
>> And sometimes they start showing up in my reader again because they've
>> changed address. I sometimes let them stay in a day or so to see if
>> they're still prime killfile candidates. This happened just this week,
>> but I've already moved on to the terminal phase, and that poster's
>> history again.
>
> I figure that if they begin hurling insults, they're just not fit to deal
> with as human beings, and PLONK, in they go. Who needs them?
That's a factor. Also whether they ever have anything worthwhile to say,
or just spend all their time insulting someone else, either alone or in
an Alphonse-and-Gaston act with a confederate.
Kip W
gggg gggg
> Going through my LP collection, I recall one box set that I regret
> getting rid of.
> It was by the Boston Symphony Chamber Players, a 3-LP set on RCA which
> contained Poulenc's Sextet plus other pieces.
> I think that box set is referred to on this page:
> http://tinyurl.com/yhrd6wc
> But there it says this set contained a fourth LP where Peter Ustinov
> discussed the works. My copy of this box set did >not< have this bonus
> LP.
> I thought this collection contained the BSCP playing a piece by Webern
> (Concerto?) ... or was that some OTHER box set?
Dave's Faves: My Personal Favorite Recordings No. 13 (Debussy)