ArkivCD - Why?
Randy Lane
reissues of an out-of-print EMI Forte series 2 CD set containing
Giulinin recordings of Dvorak 7-9 + fillers in its new release
announcement.
http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/album.jsp?album_id=74201 - Price
$28.99
EMI released a Gemini series 2 CD set of exactly the same material/
recordings in 05/2006, and it is still widely available, including on
ArkivMusic's own site. Browse through the Dvorak listings, select one
of the threee symphonies, and Select Guilini from the listed
conductors and you'll see both issues right together.
http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/album.jsp?album_id=133640 - Price
$12.99
Why would someone pay over twice the price for the ArkivCd CD-r?
ArkivMusic must be rich, or there's virtually no cost involved in
setting up an item to be available as an ArkivCd (production and
licensing costs). I doubt seriously if the latter be the case, or the
catalog of material available would probably be much more vast than it
is. And this is not the first time I've seen this sort of thing among
their "new releases". Perhaps their appeal with ArkivCd is to people
who, seeing someone with a CD that interests them, want the "exact"
same item and packaging, period. I don't know. The offering just seems
wierd.
Kevin N
> ArkivMusic last week included an ArkivCd (that's their CD-R series)
> reissues of an out-of-print EMI Forte series 2 CD set containing
> Giulinin recordings of Dvorak 7-9 + fillers in its new release
> announcement.
>
> $28.99
>
> EMI released a Gemini series 2 CD set of exactly the same material/
> recordings in 05/2006, and it is still widely available, including on
> ArkivMusic's own site. Browse through the Dvorak listings, select one
> of the threee symphonies, and Select Guilini from the listed
> conductors and you'll see both issues right together.
>
> $12.99
>
> Why would someone pay over twice the price for the ArkivCd CD-r?
>
> ArkivMusic must be rich, or there's virtually no cost involved in
> setting up an item to be available as an ArkivCd (production and
> licensing costs). I doubt seriously if the latter be the case, or the
> catalog of material available would probably be much more vast than it
> is. And this is not the first time I've seen this sort of thing among
> their "new releases". Perhaps their appeal with ArkivCd is to people
> who, seeing someone with a CD that interests them, want the "exact"
> same item and packaging, period. I don't know. The offering just seems
> wierd.
I doubt people are interested in the "exact" packaging for an ArkivCD
reissue, rather I suspect the opposite, as Arkiv's is rather
amateurish--I'm sure many here can make just as good a copy as them.
A few years ago, ArkivCDs were comparable in price with budget to mid
priced commercial CDs, but their price keeps going up and up. Either
the licensing fee is huge, or they're padding their profit margins
(ruling out increased cost of production, since there is no evidence
that that is the case).
FWIW, I've stopped buying ArkivCDs. Too much other stuff I want before
I start paying premium prices for discs with crappy packaging, and may
very well be commercially released in the near future.
Dave Cook
> ArkivMusic must be rich, or there's virtually no cost involved in
> setting up an item to be available as an ArkivCd (production and
> licensing costs). I doubt seriously if the latter be the case, or the
> catalog of material available would probably be much more vast than it
> is.
I suspect they only pay for what they sell. That's the only
explanation I can think of for their lack of discrimination. They
probably put up whatever the labels send them.
I will buy from them when something is simply not available at a
reasonable price anywhere else, e.g. the Leonid Kogan Artist Profile.
Their packaging is pretty good these days, better than the "on demand"
product from some others (e.g. Naxos).
Dave Cook
Richard S. Sandmeyer
<3d2dd296-7ac0-458b...@f18g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Randy Lane <randy...@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, I've wondered the same thing several times on seeing an Arkiv CD-R
priced higher than a reissue on pressed CD by the original label (or its
budget subsidiary).
In the case of operas and other works originally issued with a libretto
and translations in the booklet, some customers might be willing to pay
more for the Arkiv CD-R (now that they include a reproduction of the
original booklet) than for a budget reissue without texts.
In the case of many other releases, however, even the original notes
were nothing but a generic paragraph or two about the work(s) on the
disc. It's indeed difficult to see any reason to pay more for the Arkiv
CD-R here. The case you cite is a good example; I don't recall Double
Forte notes as being any better than Gemini notes, and the two series
almost always seemed to use the same (re)masterings.
I suppose one could speculate that Arkiv planned the CD-R release before
the reissue by the original label was announced. Once they had set up
to sell the CD-R, perhaps they kept it in the catalog hoping to recover
some costs even though they probably realize careful customers will buy
the cheaper alternative.
--
Rich Sandmeyer
rich dot sand at verizon dot net
J.Martin
> Why would someone pay over twice the price for the ArkivCd CD-r?
>
> ArkivMusic must be rich, or there's virtually no cost involved in
> setting up an item to be available as an ArkivCd (production and
> licensing costs). I doubt seriously if the latter be the case, or the
> catalog of material available would probably be much more vast than it
> is.
I've wondered about this too. Have you noticed that the ArkivCD
versions of the old Sony Essential Classics series are full price,
even though that was a budget series, and event though many of the
titles are still available from various retailers in the original
issue and at budget price?
Still, I'm glad ArkivCD is there as an option. And in the end it's
not really any different than, say, seeing all those ridiculous prices
from used CDs that some amazon sellers charge: if someone is too
stupid or lazy to realize they can get the same item for cheaper
elsewhere, it's not the seller's fault.
JM
Frank Berger
out-of-print? Archiv says is has 3 in stock, Amazon 1. Perhaps that's the
general explanation when it *seems* Archiv is burning to CD-R something that
has been re-issued. I'm just speculating. Another explanation is that they
can make mistakes. I know I do.
Norman Schwartz
"Frank Berger" <frank.d...@dal.frb.org> wrote in message
news:5M-dna4Wy98uPpzW...@supernews.com...
IOW the left hand doesn't know what the right is doing.
>
>
MarkM
> Still, I'm glad ArkivCD is there as an option. And in the end it's
> not really any different than, say, seeing all those ridiculous prices
> from used CDs that some amazon sellers charge: if someone is too
> stupid or lazy to realize they can get the same item for cheaper
> elsewhere, it's not the seller's fault.
>
> JM
I'm just wondering about the opposite...when there are an abundance
of new or like new CDs of a particular title on amazon.com very
reasonably
priced and ArcivCD goes to the trouble of offering their version at
top
dollar?
Maybe its naive thinking on my part, but a little research by Archiv
on whether a
title is truly unavailable at a common sense price would mean less
titles they
would have to manage in their on-line catalog.
I have ordered several ArchivCDs over the past couple of years and
been very
satisfied with them. But this was after searching amazon.com for a new
or like
new copy at a lower cost.
MM
Frank Berger
I don't know what IOW means, but it sounds like that would be just the type
of the "mistake" I referred to.
wkasimer
> IOW the left hand doesn't know what the right is doing.
Certainly the most likely explanation.
Bill
Frank Berger
I think someone mentioned the possibility that it might be quite a low cost
thing for Archiv to offer CD-R's. Some are burned only in respnse to an
order, right? If you're going to burn CD's on order and you aren't going to
sell very many, you've got to charge a pretty high price or it wouldn't be
worth doing at all.
Frank Berger
I think "possibly" is a more accurate adjective in this case than
"certainly." As I asked, do we know that any of the reissued material is
actually still in print?
Steve de Mena
> ArkivMusic last week included an ArkivCd (that's their CD-R series)
> reissues of an out-of-print EMI Forte series 2 CD set containing
> Giulinin recordings of Dvorak 7-9 + fillers in its new release
> announcement.
>
> http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/album.jsp?album_id=74201 - Price
> $28.99
>
> EMI released a Gemini series 2 CD set of exactly the same material/
> recordings in 05/2006, and it is still widely available, including on
> ArkivMusic's own site. Browse through the Dvorak listings, select one
> of the threee symphonies, and Select Guilini from the listed
> conductors and you'll see both issues right together.
>
> http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/album.jsp?album_id=133640 - Price
> $12.99
>
> Why would someone pay over twice the price for the ArkivCd CD-r?
....when they could get the original packaging for $5.99 in "Like New"
condition from an Amazon Marketplace seller.
.. or the Gemini reissue new for $7.99
I suspect the licensing costs are on the other end (after there are
sales) and so there is just the initial setup costs involved. (Ripping
an original CD and scanning the artwork & entering it into their
production workflow).
Steve
Gerard
> Norman Schwartz wrote:
> > "Frank Berger" <frank.d...@dal.frb.org> wrote in message
> > news:5M-dna4Wy98uPpzW...@supernews.com...
> > > Is it possible the EMI Dvorak/ Giulini re-issue from 2006 is
> > > itself out-of-print? Archiv says is has 3 in stock, Amazon 1.
> > > Perhaps that's the general explanation when it *seems* Archiv is
> > > burning to CD-R something that has been re-issued. I'm just
> > > speculating. Another explanation is that they can make mistakes.
> > > I know I do.
> > >
> >
> > IOW the left hand doesn't know what the right is doing.
>
> I don't know what IOW means,
That's one of the few abbreviations here that I got immediately.
Maybe the expression itself is not real English (and a very literal translation
from another language).
But another possibility is that you don't /want/ to understand it.
Gerard
Yes, we know.
You could have found that very easily yourself, as you're so smart at searching
on your 'good days'.
Alan Cooper
news:f80c62c5-9e4d-4a55...@m38g2000yqd.googlegroups.
com:
> I have ordered several ArchivCDs over the past couple of years
> and been very
> satisfied with them. But this was after searching amazon.com for
> a new or like
> new copy at a lower cost.
Me too. In addition, I believe that there are ArchivCD issues that have not been
available elsewhere. Some of the Guarneri SQ RCAs, for example.
AC
Bob Lombard
IOW stands for In Other Words, which is 'real' English. Why it is used
rather than i.e., I don't know.
bl
Gerard
It's hard to understand why a native English speaking person did not know this.
Is it a dialect?
Bob Lombard
Not dialect. Probably a mental block. 'IOU' is a common construction
(even my spelling dictionary accepts it), representing sounds rather
than initials. Habituation gets one started out wrong when confronted by
'IOW'.
bl
CharlesSmith
> Bob Lombard wrote:
> > Gerard wrote:
> > > Frank Berger wrote:
> > > > Norman Schwartz wrote:
As a long-term native English speaker I'm amazed that anyone should
think that IOW could stand for anything other than Isle of Wight.
Charles
John
My thoughts exactly. Now, if only someone could come up with an
abbreviation for, "That Is To Say"....
Gerard
Really? Is it usual that some abbreviation is used for/connected to only *one*
meaning (in English)?
John
Probably depends where you are, but every time I see "IOW" I
automatically think of the Isle of Wight. So I'd say Bob Lombard has
it right, and 'i.e.' is less likely to be misunderstood.
CharlesSmith
My bible for English is Chambers Dictionary (a Scottish publication).
The only entry is:
"IOW abbr. Isle of Wight"
See if you can guess IOM?
Charles
Frank Berger
I can't believe the drivel generated by my momentary failure to translate
"IOW" as "In other words." Including a bizarre suggestion that it was
because I didn't *want* to understand it. Also including a bizarre
suggestion that "In other words" isn't "real" English.
GG (Good Grief).
Gerard
Of course. You live on IOM.
But not understanding what IOW means in "IOW the left hand doesn't know what the
right is doing" is quite another thing.
But I'ld like to repeat the (more general) question: Is it usual that some
Gerard
>
> See if you can guess IOM?
>
> Charles
I cannot. I /know/ that it means International Organization for Migration, and
Institute of Medicine ;)
Norman Schwartz
"Steve de Mena" <st...@stevedemena.com> wrote in message
news:JJ-dnZ-_wJ-p_5_W...@giganews.com...
I've always wondered if Arkiv has in its possession pressed CDs of these
otherwise o/p materials. Given the many factors involved, is that even
likely?
> Steve
Gerard
We know that you always have trouble to get the point.
Norman Schwartz
"CharlesSmith" <sigma....@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:1338c406-6210-483c...@r24g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
Only a 98 year old would have the required wisdom.
> Charles
John
>
> > See if you can guess IOM?
>
> Only a 98 year old would have the required wisdom.
Better ask him yourself. Halfwit.
Unless you were being humorous, in which case you're not a halfwit.
CharlesSmith
> "CharlesSmith" <sigma.onl...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
Incontinent Old Man, I expect, but I agree with Frank alias GG (Good
Grief) about this drivel, so will dry up immediately.
Alan Cooper
news:29bc70ef-4844-4ef1...@b15g2000yqd.googlegroups.
com:
Someone has: viz (or viz.).
AC
John
> John <johntat...@ymail.com> wrote innews:29bc70ef-4844-4ef1...@b15g2000yqd.googlegroups.
Indeed; but that wasn't quite what I had in mind.....
Gerard
>
> Incontinent Old Man, I expect, but I agree with Frank alias GG (Good
> Grief)
While /he/ is the guy who does not know what IOW means.
Alan Cooper
news:7ead4a03-8f6a-4ad5...@o10g2000yqa.googlegroups.
com:
> On Nov 17, 4:59�pm, Alan Cooper <amcoo...@NOSPAMoptonline.net>
> wrote:
>> John <johntat...@ymail.com> wrote
>> innews:29bc70ef-4844-4ef1-a19b-5efba8eb
> ca...@b15g2000yqd.googlegroups.
Yeah, I knew what you had in mind. Start with the acronym. Yesterday I was
discussing a project of ours called the Leadership Institute for Congregational
Education. Have an itch to learn? Scratch it. When the Union of American Hebrew
Congregations decided to change its name, I was all for Federation of American
Reform Temples. Couldn't convince many people to go along with it, though.
AC
John
> John <johntat...@ymail.com> wrote innews:7ead4a03-8f6a-4ad5...@o10g2000yqa.googlegroups.
> com:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 17, 4:59 pm, Alan Cooper <amcoo...@NOSPAMoptonline.net>
> > wrote:
> >> John <johntat...@ymail.com> wrote
> >> innews:29bc70ef-4844-4ef1-a19b-5efba8eb
Yes, I thought you'd get the idea. And still on the subject of
acronyms; Mary Whitehouse's 'Viewers' and Listeners' Association'
started out as 'Clean Up National Television'. Did they alter that?
You betcha!
Norman Schwartz
"Touchy"?
IAE, I don't see how or why my wits have come under consideration. Wouldn't
a medium/seance be required to communicate with him?, IIRC he expired.
(Appearing to have taken this that personally only arouses dormant
suspicions.)
John
Alright, I apologise unreservedly. It's just that seemingly endless
repetitions of what is now a rather stale joke (if a joke it is)
become rather tiresome after a while. I don't know if the gentleman to
whom you referred existed or not, but I'm a bit pissed off with
various insinuations, mainly from Tepper, that I am in some way
responsible -- and I'm not. I hope this clarifies matters for you.
3Bs
Even the pros can screw this up. The Christian Science Monitor had a
headline the other day that read "Irish priest kidnapped in
Philippines released by MILF". Since then, it has been shortened to
the first six words.
Mind you, if you don't know what MILF stands for, you may not want to
look it up.
O
<9f0416f8-c899-49d4...@f16g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
3Bs <three...@aol.com> wrote:
Music I'd Like to Flac?
-Owen
Steve de Mena
I would store all the masters as ISO files on a server and use those
to burn the CDs on an on-demand basis. As to how they get the content
initially, probably either a physical CD, a copy, or an image file
(like an ISO) from the manufacturer. Probably a physical CD, as they
need to scan the artwork of the case/booklet. (Probably too much work
to try and get the original electronic materials for that)
Steve
Frank Berger
Some (many?) of the Archiv CD-R's *are* burned on demand. Perhaps the
pre-burn only ones where they anticipate a certain level of sales?
Bob Harper
Bob Harper
Taree Dawg
>
> As a long-term native English speaker I'm amazed that anyone should
> think that IOW could stand for anything other than Isle of Wight.
>
> Charles
My thoughts exactly as I was born in Portsmuff 5 miles from the Isle of
Wight.
Ray Hall, Taree
Philip Peters
> MarkM <MarkM...@aol.com> wrote in
> news:f80c62c5-9e4d-4a55...@m38g2000yqd.googlegroups.
> com:
>
>> I have ordered several ArchivCDs over the past couple of years
>> and been very
>> satisfied with them. But this was after searching amazon.com for
>> a new or like
>> new copy at a lower cost.
>
> Me too. In addition, I believe that there are ArchivCD issues that have not been
> available elsewhere. Some of the Guarneri SQ RCAs, for example.
>
> AC
They have their Mendelssohn and Schumann double CD, it just arrived and
I am enjoying the Schumann immensely.
Philip
Kip Williams
> CharlesSmith wrote:
>>
>> As a long-term native English speaker I'm amazed that anyone should
>> think that IOW could stand for anything other than Isle of Wight.
>
> Wight.
My first thought was that you were from Virginia, as the area I lived in
there for 20 years had a Portsmouth and an Isle of Wight. The Old
Dominion being so fiercely independent and all, it seems odd they named
so much of it after stuff they'd left back in England.
Kip W
RobD
I've used ArkivMusic mail order for some CDs that aren't available
here in the UK, but haven't bought any of their MTO (made to order!)
items yet. The general view seems to be that this source is
worthwhile for items that are otherwise unavailable, so long as you
don't mind packaging that's a bit below par.
Is that a fair summary?
Old Listener
> > look it up.
>
> Music I'd Like to Flac?
Very good, Owen
of course,if you Flac music, the RIAA might get you.
Bill
O
<48f8ae1d-a465-465d...@h40g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Old Listener <bill.hunt....@gmail.com> wrote:
Either they might get you, or the Mom's husband.
-Owen
Steve de Mena
Yes. But I urge you to order at least one so you have experience
yourself.
Steve
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