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greg lee
May 17, 2013, 8:28:39 PM5/17/13
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jrsnfld
May 18, 2013, 1:39:34 PM5/18/13
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On May 17, 5:28 pm, greg lee <music031...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://southfloridaclassicalreview.com/2008/08/a-big-box-for-an-exqui...
I've been listening to a lot of Caballé lately, so this was an amusing
review to disagree with. My favorite line was:
"Peter Ustinov used to say that Luciano Pavarotti was “the man who
swallowed a Straparius,” and the same could be said of Caballé...."
Of course, Caballé sounded nothing like that. But the question I was
going to ask is, "What the H**l is a Straparius?"
So I googled a bit and found that apparently the good folks at Harvard
Alumni magazine reported in 1990 that Yo-Yo Ma plays on a famous 1712
Davidoff Straparius!
http://harvardmagazine.com/2000/03/yo-yo-mas-journeys.html
Must be some instrument!
--Jeff
> http://southfloridaclassicalreview.com/2008/08/a-big-box-for-an-exqui...
I've been listening to a lot of Caballé lately, so this was an amusing
review to disagree with. My favorite line was:
"Peter Ustinov used to say that Luciano Pavarotti was “the man who
swallowed a Straparius,” and the same could be said of Caballé...."
Of course, Caballé sounded nothing like that. But the question I was
going to ask is, "What the H**l is a Straparius?"
So I googled a bit and found that apparently the good folks at Harvard
Alumni magazine reported in 1990 that Yo-Yo Ma plays on a famous 1712
Davidoff Straparius!
http://harvardmagazine.com/2000/03/yo-yo-mas-journeys.html
Must be some instrument!
--Jeff
Christopher Webber
May 18, 2013, 2:04:48 PM5/18/13
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On 18/05/2013 18:39, jrsnfld wrote:
> I've been listening to a lot of Caball� lately, so this was an amusing
> review to disagree with.
If you like her work, have you heard any of the complete zarzuela
recordings she made in her early days of vocal glory?
If not, I'd recommend her complete recordings of Vives's "Maruxa"
(through-written opera) and his "La villana" (three act historical drama
based on Lope de Vega) very strongly indeed.
The idea that she did not delve deeply into character is contradicted by
anyone listening to about three bars of her Norma or Elizabeth de
Valois. People say the strangest things...
> I've been listening to a lot of Caball� lately, so this was an amusing
> review to disagree with.
If you like her work, have you heard any of the complete zarzuela
recordings she made in her early days of vocal glory?
If not, I'd recommend her complete recordings of Vives's "Maruxa"
(through-written opera) and his "La villana" (three act historical drama
based on Lope de Vega) very strongly indeed.
The idea that she did not delve deeply into character is contradicted by
anyone listening to about three bars of her Norma or Elizabeth de
Valois. People say the strangest things...
jrsnfld
May 18, 2013, 2:34:06 PM5/18/13
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On May 18, 11:04 am, Christopher Webber
haven't gotten around to it yet.
>
> If not, I'd recommend her complete recordings of Vives's "Maruxa"
> (through-written opera) and his "La villana" (three act historical drama
> based on Lope de Vega) very strongly indeed.
Thanks. I may have that Maruxa on LP, but I definitely have not heard
La Villana.
>
> The idea that she did not delve deeply into character is contradicted by
> anyone listening to about three bars of her Norma or Elizabeth de
> Valois. People say the strangest things...
Indeed, a strange thing to say about Caballé. I suppose if you listen
to too much in one sitting, her characterizations start to seem
limited. But there's no shame in that; I could say that about almost
any singer.
--Jeff
<zarzu...@zarzuela.invalid.net> wrote:
> On 18/05/2013 18:39, jrsnfld wrote:
>
> > I've been listening to a lot of Caball lately, so this was an amusing
> > review to disagree with.
>
> If you like her work, have you heard any of the complete zarzuela
> recordings she made in her early days of vocal glory?
Just a smattering of the zarzuela; I keep thinking I'll try more, but
> On 18/05/2013 18:39, jrsnfld wrote:
>
> > I've been listening to a lot of Caball lately, so this was an amusing
> > review to disagree with.
>
> If you like her work, have you heard any of the complete zarzuela
> recordings she made in her early days of vocal glory?
haven't gotten around to it yet.
>
> If not, I'd recommend her complete recordings of Vives's "Maruxa"
> (through-written opera) and his "La villana" (three act historical drama
> based on Lope de Vega) very strongly indeed.
La Villana.
>
> The idea that she did not delve deeply into character is contradicted by
> anyone listening to about three bars of her Norma or Elizabeth de
> Valois. People say the strangest things...
to too much in one sitting, her characterizations start to seem
limited. But there's no shame in that; I could say that about almost
any singer.
--Jeff
Christopher Webber
May 18, 2013, 2:46:53 PM5/18/13
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On 18/05/2013 19:34, jrsnfld wrote:
> Thanks. I may have that Maruxa on LP, but I definitely have not heard
> La Villana.
A treat in store... It's a magnificent, historical zarzuela with a wide
> Thanks. I may have that Maruxa on LP, but I definitely have not heard
> La Villana.
canvas - Vives's most ambitious stage work. Caball� plays the title role
('The Yeoman's Wife') whose husband kills the local aristocrat garrison
commander when he attempts to rape her.
Her highlights include a truly magnificent solo Escena (shades of
Desdemona in "Otello") and an equally fine duet with her baritone
husband (Vicente Sardinero).
greg lee
May 19, 2013, 1:00:40 AM5/19/13
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On May 18, 8:04 am, Christopher Webber <zarzu...@zarzuela.invalid.net>
wrote:
Concerning "Tu che le vanita," she did make a mistake on the phrase
"...e porta il pianto mio...":
- The 1st time, it's supposed to be sung, "e porta il
piaaaaaaaaaaaaaanto mio...,"
- The 2nd time, it's supposed to be sung, "e poooooooooorta il pianto
mio....."
wrote:
> On 18/05/2013 18:39, jrsnfld wrote:
> The idea that she did not delve deeply into character is contradicted by
> anyone listening to about three bars of her Norma or Elizabeth de
> Valois...
> The idea that she did not delve deeply into character is contradicted by
> anyone listening to about three bars of her Norma or Elizabeth de
Concerning "Tu che le vanita," she did make a mistake on the phrase
"...e porta il pianto mio...":
- The 1st time, it's supposed to be sung, "e porta il
piaaaaaaaaaaaaaanto mio...,"
- The 2nd time, it's supposed to be sung, "e poooooooooorta il pianto
mio....."
Christopher Webber
May 19, 2013, 3:27:06 AM5/19/13
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On 19/05/2013 06:00, greg lee wrote:
> Concerning "Tu che le vanita," she did make a mistake on the phrase
> "...e porta il pianto mio...":
Not a "mistake" but a conscious decision to regularise the line. No
> Concerning "Tu che le vanita," she did make a mistake on the phrase
> "...e porta il pianto mio...":
doubt that the producer and conductor approved (they do look at the
scores, you know). As the Italian version is a translation anyway, you
might just as well castigate her for not singing it in French.
And what such minutiae have got to do with her "delving into character"
or not, escapes me!
music...@gmail.com
Aug 9, 2013, 6:41:38 AM8/9/13
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On Saturday, May 18, 2013 8:04:48 AM UTC-10, Christopher Webber wrote:
> On 18/05/2013 18:39, jrsnfld wrote:
>
> > I've been listening to a lot of Caball� lately, so this was an amusing
> On 18/05/2013 18:39, jrsnfld wrote:
>
>
> > review to disagree with.
>
>
>
> If you like her work, have you heard any of the complete zarzuela
>
> recordings she made in her early days of vocal glory?
>
>
>
> If not, I'd recommend her complete recordings of Vives's "Maruxa"
>
> (through-written opera) and his "La villana" (three act historical drama
>
> based on Lope de Vega) very strongly indeed.
>
>
>
> The idea that she did not delve deeply into character is contradicted by
>
> anyone listening to about three bars of her Norma or Elizabeth de
>
> Valois...
> > review to disagree with.
>
>
>
> If you like her work, have you heard any of the complete zarzuela
>
> recordings she made in her early days of vocal glory?
>
>
>
> If not, I'd recommend her complete recordings of Vives's "Maruxa"
>
> (through-written opera) and his "La villana" (three act historical drama
>
> based on Lope de Vega) very strongly indeed.
>
>
>
> The idea that she did not delve deeply into character is contradicted by
>
> anyone listening to about three bars of her Norma or Elizabeth de
>
Concerning TU CHE LE VANITA, it may be of interest to know that Youtube has 2 clips of her singing that--one in recital and another in performance.
John Wiser
Aug 9, 2013, 8:02:06 AM8/9/13
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jdw
news:4136ebf8-d6b2-4bbf...@googlegroups.com...
On Saturday, May 18, 2013 8:04:48 AM UTC-10, Christopher Webber wrote:
> On 18/05/2013 18:39, jrsnfld wrote:
>
> > I've been listening to a lot of Caball� lately, so this was an amusing
> On 18/05/2013 18:39, jrsnfld wrote:
>
>
> > review to disagree with.
>
>
>
> If you like her work, have you heard any of the complete zarzuela
>
> recordings she made in her early days of vocal glory?
>
>
>
> If not, I'd recommend her complete recordings of Vives's "Maruxa"
>
> (through-written opera) and his "La villana" (three act historical drama
>
> based on Lope de Vega) very strongly indeed.
>
>
>
>> The idea that she did not delve deeply into character is contradicted by
>
>> anyone listening to about three bars of her Norma or Elizabeth de
>
> > review to disagree with.
>
>
>
> If you like her work, have you heard any of the complete zarzuela
>
> recordings she made in her early days of vocal glory?
>
>
>
> If not, I'd recommend her complete recordings of Vives's "Maruxa"
>
> (through-written opera) and his "La villana" (three act historical drama
>
> based on Lope de Vega) very strongly indeed.
>
>
>
>> The idea that she did not delve deeply into character is contradicted by
>
>> anyone listening to about three bars of her Norma or Elizabeth de
>
> Concerning TU CHE LE VANITA, it may be of interest to know that Youtube has 2 clips of her singing
> that--one in recital and another in performance.
Why is the "recital" not a "performance" ???
> that--one in recital and another in performance.
jdw
Christopher Webber
Aug 9, 2013, 8:25:37 AM8/9/13
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On 09/08/2013 13:02, John Wiser wrote:
> Why is the "recital" not a "performance" ???
Most recitals I go to could do with being more of a performance!
> Why is the "recital" not a "performance" ???
John Wiser
Aug 9, 2013, 1:18:32 PM8/9/13
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"Christopher Webber" <zarz...@zarzuela.invalid.net> wrote in message
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or you need to refine
the process of educated guessing.
jdw
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> On 09/08/2013 13:02, John Wiser wrote:
>> Why is the "recital" not a "performance" ???
>
> Most recitals I go to could do with being more of a performance!
>
Either you are a reviewer
>> Why is the "recital" not a "performance" ???
>
> Most recitals I go to could do with being more of a performance!
>
or you need to refine
the process of educated guessing.
jdw
Christopher Webber
Aug 9, 2013, 1:38:22 PM8/9/13
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On 09/08/2013 18:18, John Wiser wrote:
> Either you are a reviewer
> or you need to refine
> the process of educated guessing.
Guilty to both charges.
> Either you are a reviewer
> or you need to refine
> the process of educated guessing.
In mitigation, m'lud --- I've never written a review, even in my head,
before the event at least *started*, so can claim protected status as a
Blank Page - which is not, I hope, quite the same as an Empty Vessel.
[ Others may disagree! ]
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