augustinere...@yahoo.com wrote: > New poster here. But I thought this subject would be of particular > interest to this newsgroup.
> I'm a guitarist, and from time to time I browse through Amazon.com to > see if there are any new guitar recordings worth hearing. I stumbled > across a guitar recording I hadn't heard before. Listening to the > audio sample, I noticed something odd. So I listened to other samples > and found the same odd quality.
Which odd quality?
> Noticing this CD was released by "Music Studio - Classical," I did a > Google search and found this web site: http://www.musicstudios.cc/
augustinere...@yahoo.com appears to have caused the following letters to be typed in news:90c96297-59f7-4054-b479- a2069b5b0...@w4g2000vbh.googlegroups.com:
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> Noticing this CD was released by "Music Studio - Classical," I did a > Google search and found
Even more interesting is what I see when I check at GoDaddy.com:
Matthew B., musicstudios.cc is available! Just $19.99/yr
Needless to say, I am *not* going to click on your link, at least not until I get home and fire up the computer running Linux.
You set off so many "beware" alarms I don't have the time to list them all.
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It seems to be a real label, with a lot of instrumental (violin, guitar) recordings. Also available via downloads. The referenced 'Four Seasons' is by Jaime Mansilla, a Chilean violinist who now lives in Miami (according to his myspace page).
I didn't hear anything 'odd' about the samples, but that's just me.
david gideon <davidDelet...@rediscovery.us> appears to have caused the following letters to be typed in news:200920101650358435% davidDelet...@rediscovery.us:
> In article <Xns9DF98103D4E4Equackandf...@216.168.3.70>, > Matthew B. Tepper <oyþ@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Matthew B., musicstudios.cc is available! Just $19.99/yr
> Actually he just input the wrong link. It should be:
> It seems to be a real label, with a lot of instrumental (violin, > guitar) recordings. Also available via downloads. The referenced 'Four > Seasons' is by Jaime Mansilla, a Chilean violinist who now lives in > Miami (according to his myspace page).
> I didn't hear anything 'odd' about the samples, but that's just me.
There's nothing "odd" about the samples -- his saying so is just an inducement to visit this site that he supposedly "found." At least when you have recordings for sale, you make it clear that you are advertising, without cloaking it in a specious claim that you found something "odd" on a site that you "found." And that is because you are honest about it.
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Matthew B. Tepper wrote: > david gideon <davidDelet...@rediscovery.us> appears to have caused the > following letters to be typed in news:200920101650358435% > davidDelet...@rediscovery.us:
> > In article <Xns9DF98103D4E4Equackandf...@216.168.3.70>, > > Matthew B. Tepper <oyþ@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > > Matthew B., musicstudios.cc is available! Just $19.99/yr
> > Actually he just input the wrong link. It should be:
> > It seems to be a real label, with a lot of instrumental (violin, > > guitar) recordings. Also available via downloads. The referenced > > 'Four Seasons' is by Jaime Mansilla, a Chilean violinist who now > > lives in Miami (according to his myspace page).
> > I didn't hear anything 'odd' about the samples, but that's just me.
> There's nothing "odd" about the samples
How do you know?
> -- his saying so is just an > inducement to visit this site that he supposedly "found." At least > when you have recordings for sale, you make it clear that you are > advertising, without cloaking it in a specious claim that you found > something "odd" on a site that you "found." And that is because you > are honest about it.
First, David Gideon is correct, I did mess up the link. The link in Mr. Gideon's post is correct.
I'm surprised that no one has caught on, so I'll be more explicit. Click on the link provided by Mr. Gideon. Then click on "CATALOG." Then click on "Romantic." There you'll find two guitar CDs. I can tell you that the audio samples for both these guitar CDs are computer generated soundfiles. They are not recordings of real flesh-and-blood guitarists. It isn't the least bit subtle. Any competent classical guitarist will tell you that these are fake performances.
I'll leave it to you to decide whether the other recordings offered by this site are what they profess to be.
augustinere...@yahoo.com appears to have caused the following letters to be typed in news:2fdfcf63-e86a-4c37-b8a6-aa239bf9a8d0 @e20g2000vbn.googlegroups.com:
> First, David Gideon is correct, I did mess up the link. The link in > Mr. Gideon's post is correct.
> I'm surprised that no one has caught on, so I'll be more explicit. > Click on the link provided by Mr. Gideon. Then click on "CATALOG." > Then click on "Romantic." There you'll find two guitar CDs. I can tell > you that the audio samples for both these guitar CDs are computer > generated soundfiles. They are not recordings of real flesh-and-blood > guitarists. It isn't the least bit subtle. Any competent classical > guitarist will tell you that these are fake performances.
> I'll leave it to you to decide whether the other recordings offered by > this site are what they profess to be.
> Tom Poore > South Euclid, OH > USA
So are you saying that the site is *not* your own, and that your post was not advertising? If I have completely misread things, I'm sorry, but it sure looked that way to me.
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> augustinere...@yahoo.com appears to have caused the following letters to be > typed in news:2fdfcf63-e86a-4c37-b8a6-aa239bf9a8d0 > @e20g2000vbn.googlegroups.com:
> > First, David Gideon is correct, I did mess up the link. The link in > > Mr. Gideon's post is correct.
> > I'm surprised that no one has caught on, so I'll be more explicit. > > Click on the link provided by Mr. Gideon. Then click on "CATALOG." > > Then click on "Romantic." There you'll find two guitar CDs. I can tell > > you that the audio samples for both these guitar CDs are computer > > generated soundfiles. They are not recordings of real flesh-and-blood > > guitarists. It isn't the least bit subtle. Any competent classical > > guitarist will tell you that these are fake performances.
> > I'll leave it to you to decide whether the other recordings offered by > > this site are what they profess to be.
> > Tom Poore > > South Euclid, OH > > USA
> So are you saying that the site is *not* your own, and that your post was > not advertising? If I have completely misread things, I'm sorry, but it > sure looked that way to me.
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you...but that's the way to bet.
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you...but that's the way to bet.
Yes. If you think they are out to get you though, precautions need to stop somewhere short of permanent residence in your castle though - otherwise where's the benefit?
> Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get > you...but that's the way to bet.
> Yes. If you think they are out to get you though, precautions need to stop > somewhere short of permanent residence in your castle though - otherwise > where's the benefit?
I think you read the opposite of what I wrote: in other words, if you *know* you're paranoid, give the other guy the benefit of the doubt.
I was (poorly) paraphrasing a quip popularized by Damon Runyon:
"The race is not alwys to the swift nor the battle to the strong—but that’s the way to bet."
And just to be complete, a history of that phrase is here:
> Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get > you...but that's the way to bet.
> Yes. If you think they are out to get you though, precautions need to stop > somewhere short of permanent residence in your castle - otherwise > where's the benefit?
I think you read the opposite of what I wrote: in other words, if you *know* you're paranoid, give the other guy the benefit of the doubt.
I decided that what you wrote was 50-50 equivocal, and picked one. Going the other way, if you are aware of paranoia you are necessarily cognoscenti that a set of danger signals aren't working correctly. Then you must decide which way to lean whenever an ambiguous situation arises. The desire to survive points in the same direction as the unrecognized paranoia did.
> So are you saying that the site is *not* your own, and that your post was > not advertising? If I have completely misread things, I'm sorry, but it > sure looked that way to me.
Well, it didn't help that the link in my original post got screwed up. (In fact, I immediately deleted the post when I realized this, but apparently some responded before I deleted it.) Also I'm not a regular here. So I understand your initial reaction.
To answer your question, no, the web site I'm referring to isn't mine. In my opinion, almost every CD on this site is a fake recording. Certainly the guitar CDs I mentioned earlier are fake. I was hoping that others with a bit more expertise might offer an opinion. It bothers me that these recordings are being sold on so many different online sites. I don't mind that the recordings are fake, but I do mind that they're being falsely advertised.
augustinere...@yahoo.com wrote: > Well, it didn't help that the link in my original post got screwed up. > (In fact, I immediately deleted the post when I realized this, but > apparently some responded before I deleted it.) Also I'm not a regular > here. So I understand your initial reaction.
A large number of us see this newsgroup on its native Usenet, where the cancel command hasn't worked in years. In terms of effectiveness, a follow-up message accomplishes more. (Considering the asynchronous nature of it all, the follow-up might appear to many of us before the original message.)
>> So are you saying that the site is *not* your own, and that your post >> was not advertising? If I have completely misread things, I'm sorry, >> but it sure looked that way to me.
> Well, it didn't help that the link in my original post got screwed up. > (In fact, I immediately deleted the post when I realized this, but > apparently some responded before I deleted it.) Also I'm not a regular > here. So I understand your initial reaction.
> To answer your question, no, the web site I'm referring to isn't mine. > In my opinion, almost every CD on this site is a fake recording. > Certainly the guitar CDs I mentioned earlier are fake. I was hoping > that others with a bit more expertise might offer an opinion. It > bothers me that these recordings are being sold on so many different > online sites. I don't mind that the recordings are fake, but I do mind > that they're being falsely advertised.
> I invite others to listen to some of the sound samples and decide > whether my suspicion is valid.
> Tom Poore > South Euclid, OH > USA
Thank you for the full explanation, and please accept my apology for jumping to the entirely wrong conclusion.
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> Well, it didn't help that the link in my original post got screwed up. > (In fact, I immediately deleted the post when I realized this, but > apparently some responded before I deleted it.)
This is a usenet newsgroup. So deleting a post is impossible as soon as a post has reached news servers.
>> Well, it didn't help that the link in my original post got screwed up. >> (In fact, I immediately deleted the post when I realized this, but >> apparently some responded before I deleted it.)
> This is a usenet newsgroup. So deleting a post is impossible as soon as a post > has reached news servers.
Steve de Mena wrote: > On 9/22/10 1:00 AM, Gerard wrote: > > augustinere...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > Well, it didn't help that the link in my original post got > > > screwed up. (In fact, I immediately deleted the post when I > > > realized this, but apparently some responded before I deleted it.)
> > This is a usenet newsgroup. So deleting a post is impossible as > > soon as a post has reached news servers.
Steve de Mena wrote: > On 9/22/10 1:00 AM, Gerard wrote: >> augustinere...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> Well, it didn't help that the link in my original post got screwed up. >>> (In fact, I immediately deleted the post when I realized this, but >>> apparently some responded before I deleted it.)
>> This is a usenet newsgroup. So deleting a post is impossible as soon >> as a post >> has reached news servers.
> Steve de Mena wrote: >> On 9/22/10 1:00 AM, Gerard wrote: >>> augustinere...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>> Well, it didn't help that the link in my original post got screwed >>>> up. (In fact, I immediately deleted the post when I realized this, >>>> but apparently some responded before I deleted it.)
>>> This is a usenet newsgroup. So deleting a post is impossible as soon >>> as a post has reached news servers.
Robert Marshall wrote: > On Wed, 22 Sep 2010, Kip Williams wrote:
>> Steve de Mena wrote: >>> On 9/22/10 1:00 AM, Gerard wrote: >>>> augustinere...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>> Well, it didn't help that the link in my original post got screwed >>>>> up. (In fact, I immediately deleted the post when I realized this, >>>>> but apparently some responded before I deleted it.)
>>>> This is a usenet newsgroup. So deleting a post is impossible as soon >>>> as a post has reached news servers.
For the guitar CD at least, there's no question that this is a fake recording. The other two sound suspiciously like the sound one can generate from the Finale notational software.
> For the guitar CD at least, there's no question that this is a fake > recording. The other two sound suspiciously like the sound one can > generate from the Finale notational software.
> Opinions?
Hey, you keep pushing for opinions, you get uninformed ones.
The guitar music does sound unlikely. Much of the 'string noise' doesn't even make sense, aside from being annoying, and I expect more change in character from different strings.
The piano music works better; a lot of folks play the wtc with undeviating rhythm and minimal dynamic variation - that maybe influenced by the harpsichord. I don't recognize the piano, based on the lower registers I heard.
I didn't listen to the harp; don't have much listening experience with them.
Maybe someone else, like our famous M, will chime in now.
Robert Marshall wrote: > On Wed, 22 Sep 2010, Kip Williams wrote:
>> Steve de Mena wrote: >>> On 9/22/10 1:00 AM, Gerard wrote: >>>> augustinere...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>> Well, it didn't help that the link in my original post got screwed >>>>> up. (In fact, I immediately deleted the post when I realized this, >>>>> but apparently some responded before I deleted it.) >>>> This is a usenet newsgroup. So deleting a post is impossible as soon >>>> as a post has reached news servers. >>> http://www.livinginternet.com/u/ua_cancel.htm >> This seems to indicate that it worked sometimes in 1983.
> I'm sure I remember successfully cancelling an article in the late 80's/ > early 90's but things were a little slower then (or I've aged :-))
> Robert
I probably should have tried multiple times--unfortunately much too long after I hit Send. And you've aged in only 20 years? Wait a few more (perhaps to 81)and you will be very sure that you've aged. Allen
Allen wrote: > Robert Marshall wrote: > > On Wed, 22 Sep 2010, Kip Williams wrote:
> > > Steve de Mena wrote: > > > > On 9/22/10 1:00 AM, Gerard wrote: > > > > > augustinere...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > > > Well, it didn't help that the link in my original post got > > > > > > screwed up. (In fact, I immediately deleted the post when > > > > > > I realized this, but apparently some responded before I > > > > > > deleted it.) > > > > > This is a usenet newsgroup. So deleting a post is impossible > > > > > as soon as a post has reached news servers. > > > > http://www.livinginternet.com/u/ua_cancel.htm > > > This seems to indicate that it worked sometimes in 1983.
> > I'm sure I remember successfully cancelling an article in the late > > 80's/ early 90's but things were a little slower then (or I've aged > > :-))
> > Robert > I probably should have tried multiple times--unfortunately much too > long after I hit Send. And you've aged in only 20 years? Wait a few > more (perhaps to 81)and you will be very sure that you've aged. > Allen
Sure. What happened to the participant who claimed to be 98 years? He must be over 100 now, I suppose.
