Most expensive CD box set ever?
rmc
Amazon.com: http://tr.im/YoYo1
I'll pass
William Sommerwerck
cabinet -- that sold for over $900. And I recently sold a Heifitz box set
for its original price, $600, in this group. Expensive sets are not new, and
the Ma is hardly the most-expensive.
Randy Lane
wrote:
The Japanese DG Karajan set may be at the top (at current rate of
exchange without S/H about $3,200 USD)
The now largely unavailable Rubinstein collection could still have
cost more. I don't remember the final price on it.
But do we really consider these "boxed sets"?
Mr. Mike
JohnA
> The now largely unavailable Rubinstein collection could still have
> cost more. I don't remember the final price on it.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1282/is_3_52/ai_59243543/
On the Rubinstein Collection, dated Feb 21, 2000:
"There are worse ways to spend $1,500."
William Sommerwerck
> largely unavailable Rubinstein collection could still have
> cost more. I don't remember the final price on it.
> But do we really consider these "boxed sets"?
What comprises a "box"? How "big" is a box?
Dontait...@aol.com
A late friend of mine bought the Rubinstein set, and it was indeed a
boxed one: in a huge, attractive, very sturdy box that contained not
only all of the CDs in their original thick individual packages but a
hard-bound book about Rubinstein.
Don Tait
Allen
> On Nov 22, 8:11 am, "William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgee...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>> As a "box" set, probably. But there was a Toscanini set -- in a small
>> cabinet -- that sold for over $900. And I recently sold a Heifitz box set
>> for its original price, $600, in this group. Expensive sets are not new, and
>> the Ma is hardly the most-expensive.
>
> The Japanese DG Karajan set may be at the top (at current rate of
> exchange without S/H about $3,200 USD)
Allen
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If it's enclosed on at least five sides, and if it contains more than four
CDs, it's a box.
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M forever
The box set doesn't even "look" *that big*...
This may be the most expensive single CD I have ever seen:
http://www.hmv.co.jp/en/product/detail/2625293
A *glass* CD?
Randy Lane
So tell us about it.
Have you done some A/B comparisons?
M forever
A *glass* CD?
...probably makes it pretty clear that I have no idea what that even
is.
Randy Lane
>
> - Show quoted text -
You mean you didn't buy it? Why not? Don't you want "the best" at any
price?
Norman Schwartz
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A *glass* CD?
Philip has recorded a lot of them.
Peter T. Daniels
> "William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgee...@comcast.net> appears to have caused the
> following letters to be typed innews:hebv7d$fbj$1...@news.eternal-
> september.org:
>
> >> The Japanese DG Karajan set may be at the top (at current rate of exchange
> >> without S/H about $3,200 USD). The now largely unavailable Rubinstein
> >> collection could still have cost more. I don't remember the final price on
> >> it. But do we really consider these "boxed sets"?
>
> > What comprises a "box"? How "big" is a box?
>
> If it's enclosed on at least five sides, and if it contains more than four
> CDs, it's a box.
What, the box I got this week of four disks of Busoni transcriptions
(etc.) on Capriccio -- $21.99 at J&R, where the individual disks are
ca. $15.99 each -- isn't a box?
Taree Dawg
Indeed. Pay this ludicrous money and not get the best (according to
many) mono Beethoven HvK did for EMI with the Philharmonia?
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha (fools born every minute)
Ray Hall, Taree
Dil
> A late friend of mine bought the Rubinstein set, and it was indeed a
> boxed one: in a huge, attractive, very sturdy box that contained not
> only all of the CDs in their original thick individual packages but a
> hard-bound book about Rubinstein.
The Rubinstein set is the only big box that I have ever been tempted
to acquire (alas, I never have). Also, my local used record store
recently had the complete (even with book and case) DG complete
Beethoven set for $400. -Quite a deal but I passed as I just did not
need to be displaying such a big item with the limited space that I
have.
Dil.
Greg
>
> > > This may be the most expensive single CD I have ever seen:http://www.hmv.co.jp/en/product/detail/2625293
>
> > > A *glass* CD?
>
> > So tell us about it.
> > Have you done some A/B comparisons?
>
> A *glass* CD?
>
> ...probably makes it pretty clear that I have no idea what that even
> is.
I suspect they mean the clear layer is made with an inorganic glass
rather than the standard polycarbonate. The incentive would be
increased optical clarity, fewer scratches, and reduced need for error
correction. (Of course, polycarbonate is also a "glass" at room
temperature, but we won't let that detail get in the way of
marketing.) I can't imagine it making much difference, but I have
never heard such an animal.
Greg
(who is glad those 9 years spent studying engineering and materials
science finally paid off...)
M forever
I think you are correct. I looked it up in the meantime, and found
myself slightly amazed by this, and that they actually make and sell a
CD for $2,250 - or that they are at least *offering* it. I wonder how
many of these they *sell*.
The theory that's behind that is of course the basic same one that's
behind the "green marker" theory, namely that there are a number of
small dropouts when you play regular CDs which go beyond what the
error correction can retrieve but which aren't complete audible
dropouts either because they are typically "smoothed" over by the CD
player. So in extreme theory, there can be a slight difference in
sound quality but in reality, that is something people can't detect
(it has been proven beyond any doubt in extensive blind listening
tests) and it's not as dramatic at all as it may sound either. There
are typically a number of small dropouts when you play back a CD, but
not that many that it would continuously affect the sound. And it
doesn't affect the actual *quality* or *nature* ("warm, rich, vivid"
etcblabla) of the sound at all.
Randy Lane
Why not make the education really pay off.
Since you have the scientific understanding, how about you buy one and
give us a first hand report.
Get your money's worth from that education!
Who knows, maybe you can find enough convincing evidence that the
improvement is truly worth the cost and you could get the
manaufacturer to pay you for your findings in order to bump sales up.
Especially since you have educational credentials to back it up
(something I suspect none of those who masterminded this endeavor
probably have at all).
Steve de Mena
> Gee, the Miles Davis box set (just issued in Japan) is a bargain!!
>
> http://www.hmv.co.jp/en/product/detail/3697934
That's not a Japanese issue.
Steve
Greg
<snip>
>
> Why not make the education really pay off.
> Since you have the scientific understanding, how about you buy one and
> give us a first hand report.
> Get your money's worth from that education!
> Who knows, maybe you can find enough convincing evidence that the
> improvement is truly worth the cost and you could get the
> manaufacturer to pay you for your findings in order to bump sales up.
Now why didn't I think of that? If I had that kind of entrepreneurial
spirit, I probably wouldn't have gone to grad school in the first
place, and instead wised up and gone into something lucrative enough
to allow me to pay for a >$2000 CD. I am willing to take donations to
pay for a sample CD, though...
> Especially since you have educational credentials to back it up
> (something I suspect none of those who masterminded this endeavor
> probably have at all).
Oh, I'm sure someone involved knew what they were doing technically -
there has been a lot of R&D activity in materials development for
optical media (some of which I have been tangentially involved with,
though I am certainly no expert). To use an inorganic glass for this
purpose, though, strikes me as being a bit dubious. It will be much
more brittle than any of the standard polymeric materials (imagine
dropping or bending your $2000 CD and shattering it...), and will not
easily lend itself to low cost mass production processes like
injection molding, which is why it has to cost so much that nobody can
afford it. Clearly not the sort of cost/performance tradeoff an
engineer would normally make, but sometimes marketing asks for crazy
things.
Greg
Kip Williams
I sometimes wish I'd shelled out a couple of bucks more for the rest of
the Heifetz boxed sets when they were going for a dollar each at the
radio station. I just didn't want to carry them. I got the ones with
shorter pieces for piano and violin, and mostly left the concertos behind.
Kip W
Kip Williams
Bigger than a breadbox?
Kip W
Peter T. Daniels
And isn't it likely to be considerably heavier than a standard CD,
which would impair its performance in a standard player? Could it
reach the necessary rpm?
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Thread-Mender
Greg
<snip>.
>
> And isn't it likely to be considerably heavier than a standard CD,
> which would impair its performance in a standard player? Could it
> reach the necessary rpm?
I don't know what exact material they are using, but if it is
comparable to standard window glass, the density will be ~2-3x that of
polycarbonate, so if they use the same thickness of material, it will
be much heavier. They may use a thinner layer, though, which would
also help it be more flexible.
Greg
Carl Witthoft
<9ddba9fe-2e0f-44a3...@x15g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>,
Greg <onei...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Nov 22, 7:25�pm, Randy Lane <randy.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
> <snip>
> >
> > Why not make the education really pay off.
> > Since you have the scientific understanding, how about you buy one and
> > give us a first hand report.
> > Get your money's worth from that education!
> > Who knows, maybe you can find enough convincing evidence that the
> > improvement is truly worth the cost and you could get the
> > manaufacturer to pay you for your findings in order to bump sales up.
>
>
> Now why didn't I think of that? If I had that kind of entrepreneurial
> spirit, I probably wouldn't have gone to grad school in the first
> place, and instead wised up and gone into something lucrative enough
> to allow me to pay for a >$2000 CD. I am willing to take donations to
> pay for a sample CD, though...
You won't be able to hear the diff unless you have those gold-plated,
freon-cooled digital hdmi cables...
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Carl Witthoft
Lost in all this is the fact that CDs are, in fact, completely obsolete.
D/L all you want in Ogg or FLAC via bittorrent. Get w/ the 21st
century :-)
tho...@antispam.ham
> Lost in all this is the fact that CDs are, in fact, completely obsolete.
I disagree.
> D/L all you want in Ogg or FLAC via bittorrent. Get w/ the 21st
> century :-)
For those who can't tell the difference between compressed and
uncompressed audio reproduction technology. But storage has
gotten to the point where keeping uncompressed audio on flash
memory isn't all that impractical. Rather than loading a disc
into a player, just plug a memory key into a USB port. But
that transition hasn't been completed, so CDs will remain with
us for a while.
graham
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wrote:
On the edge, of course!
-Owen
Bob Lombard
Maybe the greenness will improve the durability of flash memory, which
is not good.
bl
Taree Dawg
??????? WOT?
Flash memory is reckoned to be 5-10 times more durable than your HD. The
basis for all SD cards is flash memory.
Ray Hall, Taree
R.L. Horn
<tho...@antispam.ham> wrote:
>> D/L all you want in Ogg or FLAC via bittorrent. Get w/ the 21st
>> century :-)
>
> For those who can't tell the difference between compressed and
> uncompressed audio reproduction technology.
FLAC is lossless. Vorbis is reasonably transparent to me at around "quality
8" (~200kbps), which is how I encode ripped CDs for my rockboxed Sansa, but
that's *way* over the libvorbis default ("quality 3").
I suspect that, for "serious" music at least, CDs will be around for some
time. Though, I have to say, given the poor quality of most recordings (a
compander is a dangerous thing in the wrong hands), I spend pretty much all
of my CD money on tickets these days.
I certainly wouldn't expect anything better from the recording industry
anytime soon. Their interest in high-quality audio is lackluster at best,
and they'd be loath to introduce anything new that wasn't DRMed up the
wazoo anyway.
Walter Bushell
<d5f050e7-5f24-402c...@k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
JohnA <jano...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 22, 10:17�am, Randy Lane <randy.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The now largely unavailable Rubinstein collection could still have
> > cost more. I don't remember the final price on it.
>
>
> http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1282/is_3_52/ai_59243543/
> On the Rubinstein Collection, dated Feb 21, 2000:
>
> "There are worse ways to spend $1,500."
You could blow the money on blow, for example.
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Use the green felt pen to paint your nose. Cuts down on cross channel
cross talk.
Bob Lombard
Flash memory should be used for transport, not backup or other
longterm storage. It dies unpredictably, without warning. However,
what you do with your stuff is your business, Ray.
bl
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> In article
><d5f050e7-5f24-402c...@k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
> JohnA <jano...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Nov 22, 10:17�am, Randy Lane <randy.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > The now largely unavailable Rubinstein collection could still have
>> > cost more. I don't remember the final price on it.
>>
>> http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1282/is_3_52/ai_59243543/
>> On the Rubinstein Collection, dated Feb 21, 2000:
>>
>> "There are worse ways to spend $1,500."
>
> You could blow the money on blow, for example.
Seemingly a more common practice in the rock/pop music world.
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> Lost in all this is the fact that CDs are, in fact, completely obsolete.
Not if you are a collector...
Proboscis
"Carl Witthoft" <ca...@witthoft.com> wrote
>
> You won't be able to hear the diff unless you have those gold-plated,
> freon-cooled digital hdmi cables...
Which you can't afford after buying those discs...
C3
> Yo-Yo Ma's "Thirty Years Outside the Box" for over $700
>
> Amazon.com:http://tr.im/YoYo1
>
> I'll pass
There was a "complete" J.S. Bach Edition that used to sell for over a
thousand dollars. There was also a complete Mozart Edition and a
Coomplete Beethoven Edition. Now there are budget editions of all
three composers which sell for around a hundred at Amazon.
C3
RVG
> Yo-Yo Ma's "Thirty Years Outside the Box" for over $700
>
> Amazon.com: http://tr.im/YoYo1
>
> I'll pass
>
>
>
Try "The Duke Ellington Centennial Edition". Well over that price, and
only 25 CDs.
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