Walter Mahler 1 & @ - M&A 2012 - Unreleased?

[randy...@gmail.com]

The promo for this release claims this is the first ever release of these recordings:

http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/Music%2B%2526%2BArts/MACD1264
https://www.cdquest.com/music/details/0017685126420.html

Could not find it on the Music And Arts web site yet.

Anyone heard these CDs yet, or know the recordings some other way?

[randy...@gmail.com]

(Corrected Subject)

[Dontait...@aol.com]

I received my copy in the mail from Music & Arts a couple of weeks
ago. I ordered it from them because they sent me an e-mail here weeks
ago advertising and offering it. (I guess I'm on their mailing list.)
They said the release had been delayed because the disc containing the
First Symphony was found to be inherently defective and had to be re-
done. Both discs play perfectly here.

The sound is excellent for the 1942 vintage; Aaron Z. Snyder did a
masterful job with it. I can only describe the performances as
stupendous. Number One resembles the other live Walter performances
that have circulated, including the NBC Symphony (1939), London
Philharmonic (1947, in compromised sound on Testament), live
performances from around 1950 in Munich and Amsterdam, and New York in
the early 'fifties. Its general character is very similar to Walter's
1954 mono New York Philharmonic recording, but in every case there is
the added frisson of a live performance. That seems always to have
been a stimulus for him; he was, after all, a man of the theater since
his conducting debut in 1894. Something I think is very significant is
that like all of these performances, Walter clearly presents Number
One as above all the work of a young man (Mahler), not as an expansive
"epic" as many conductors have subsequently presented the work.

I'd add that all of these Walter performances of Number One are more
emotionally gripping and concentrated than his typically slower, more
relaxed and expansive stereo remake.

The 1942 performance of Symphony Two is more similar to Walter's
commercial recording than any of the First Symphonies are to his
stereo remake. It is a performance of great sweep and emotional
intensity. Sung in English, incidentally, as were several of Walter's
performances over the years.

Sorry to have carried on so. But I think this is a significant
release.

Don Tait

[Gerry]

It is always helpful and enlightening to read your opinions, Don. I'm looking forward to hearing the performances myself. Thanks!

[Matthew B. Tepper]

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> Sorry to have carried on so. But I think this is a significant
> release.
>
> Don Tait

By all means, Don, please carry on. (Just not about Karajan!)

(Well, SOMEone had to say it!)

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> >   Sorry to have carried on so. But I think this is a significant
> > release.
>
> >   Don Tait
>
> By all means, Don, please carry on.  (Just not about Karajan!)
>
> (Well, SOMEone had to say it!)

Why not? Herbert von Karajan conducted one of the three or so
greatest performances of ANYTHING I have ever heard. Absolutely
electrifying, overwhelming. Details upon request.

Karajan was a great conductor. Shouldn't mention his name?

Don Tait

[hiker_rs]

On Aug 21, 1:50 pm, "Dontaitchic...@aol.com" <Dontaitchic...@aol.com>
wrote:

Don,

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this release. Definitely a must-
buy.

Rich

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>> >   Sorry to have carried on so. But I think this is a significant
>> > release.
>>
>> >   Don Tait
>>
>> By all means, Don, please carry on.  (Just not about Karajan!)
>>
>> (Well, SOMEone had to say it!)
>
> Why not? Herbert von Karajan conducted one of the three or so
> greatest performances of ANYTHING I have ever heard. Absolutely
> electrifying, overwhelming. Details upon request.
>
> Karajan was a great conductor. Shouldn't mention his name?
>
> Don Tait

Just going for the pun, Don, just going for the pun!

[wade]

would love to know what they were

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> >> >   Sorry to have carried on so. But I think this is a significant
> >> > release.
>
> >> >   Don Tait
>
> >> By all means, Don, please carry on.  (Just not about Karajan!)
>
> >> (Well, SOMEone had to say it!)
>
> >   Why not? Herbert von Karajan conducted one of the three or so
> > greatest performances of ANYTHING I have ever heard. Absolutely
> > electrifying, overwhelming. Details upon request.
>
> >   Karajan was a great conductor. Shouldn't mention his name?
>
> >   Don Tait
>
> Just going for the pun, Don, just going for the pun!

Oop. Sometimes I'm slow. Got ya! Sorry.

Don T.

[Dontait...@aol.com]

Karajan: Brahms: Symphony 4 with the Berlin PO in Orchestra Hall
Chicago, 1976. A shattering experience.(Interestingly perhaps, HvK
came out after intermission and conducted

Brahms: Symphony no. 2 -- Carlos Kleiber/Chicago Symphony, circa
1977.

Roussel: Bacchus et Ariane Suite no. 2 -- Charles Munch/Chicago
Symphony, Ravinia circa 1966

Sibelius: Symphony no. 2 -- Pierre Monteux/Chicago Symphony, Ravinia
1961

Perhaps number one: Shostakovich: Symphony no. 5 -- Leopold
Stokowski/Chicago Symphony, 1960. The audience (including moi)
screamed for minutes on end and the CSO played Stokowski a fanfare
(tusch) of tribute and respect. With which we all screamed much more.

My Stokowski memories of numerous concerts overpower all others.

Ooops...more than two or three. Sorry!

Don Tait

[Oscar]

On Wednesday, August 22, 2012 1:27:49 PM, Don Tait wrote:
>
> Perhaps number one: Shostakovich: Symphony no. 5 — Leopold

> Stokowski/Chicago Symphony, 1960. The audience (including moi)
> screamed for minutes on end and the CSO played Stokowski a fanfare
> (tusch) of tribute and respect. With which we all screamed much more.
>
> My Stokowski memories of numerous concerts overpower all others.

Thanks for the recollections, Don.

[Dontait...@aol.com]

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> On Aug 22, 7:04 am, wade <wadewo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > > On Aug 21, 3:11 pm, "Matthew B. Tepper" <oyþ@earthlink.net> wrote:
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> > > > >   Sorry to have carried on so. But I think this is a significant
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> > > > > release.
>
> > > > >   Don Tait
>
> > > > By all means, Don, please carry on.  (Just not about Karajan!)
>
> > > > (Well, SOMEone had to say it!)
>
> > >   Why not? Herbert von Karajan conducted one of the three or so
>
> > > greatest performances of ANYTHING I have ever heard. Absolutely
>
> > > electrifying, overwhelming. Details upon request.
>
> > >   Karajan was a great conductor. Shouldn't mention his name?
>
> > >   Don Tait
>
> > would love to know what they were
>
>   Karajan: Brahms: Symphony 4 with the Berlin PO in Orchestra Hall
> Chicago, 1976. A shattering experience.(Interestingly perhaps, HvK
> came out after intermission and conducted

And oops again! I meant to add that HvK came out after intermission,
after the shatteringly powerful and emotionally totally intense Brahms
4th, and conducted a typically glib (for him) Brahms Second of
gorgeous sonorities and tonal manipulation and nothing else while he
(HvK) twirled his hands in his trademark way.

[Oscar]

On Tuesday, August 21, 2012 11:50:54 AM, Don Tait wrote:
>
> Sorry to have carried on so. But I think this is a significant
> release.

I just pre-ordered it from Amazon for $17.52, and I saw that your friend Al Schlachtmeyer is given special thanks in the credits. Did he provide the source material? Do you know what the source is? Thanks in advance.

[Matthew B. Tepper]

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> And oops again! I meant to add that HvK came out after intermission,
> after the shatteringly powerful and emotionally totally intense Brahms
> 4th, and conducted a typically glib (for him) Brahms Second of gorgeous
> sonorities and tonal manipulation and nothing else while he (HvK) twirled
> his hands in his trademark way.

That reminds me, sort of (you'll see) of something that happened to me in
1990. My then-girlfriend and I were travelling overseas, intending to wind
up at the World Science Fiction Convention in Den Haag, and our first stop
was in Scotland. My travel agent (remember that profession?) was also
doing advance booking for the events we wanted to attend. When he told me
that we would be arriving in Edinburgh the day of the opening concert of
the Festival, I was delighted, and told him to get us tickets, no matter
what it was. Then he told me that it was a concert of the Saito Kinen
Orchestra conducted by Seiji Ozawa, with Mstislav Rostropovich playing the
Dvorak Cello Concerto!

I was, if anything, even more delighted than before, because I had wanted
to hear Slava play cello for years, but had never had the opportunity.
When he performed regular subscription concerts in Los Angeles, I didn't
have a car and didn't like travelling downtown to the Dorothy Chandler
Pavilion. When I went to college in San Francisco, he wouldn't do the
subscription concerts, just very expensive pension fund concerts which I
couldn't afford (though I did hear him conduct "Pikovaya Dama" with his
wife Galina as Lisa). When I was in graduate school in Minneapolis, he
simply never performed there, as very few major artists liked to do so.
(Horowitz was an exception, in part because there was a gay bar downtown
that he liked.) So the chance to hear Slava play, at last, and in my
favorite concerto for his instrument, was a dream come true.

Shoshana and I arrived in Edinburgh (after one night's stay in Glasgow) to
find that the bed-and-breakfast we had booked AND PAID FOR had been given
away to some other tourists waving cash. (We did eventually get our money
back, a few months later.) We were able to get other accommodations, and
managed to freshen up and change and get to Usher Hall for the concert.
The orchestra, a new ensemble of which I had never heard, turned out to be
very professional, Ozawa's conducting was fine (well, I had gotten used to
him in San Francisco, I suppose), and Slava's performance met or exceeded
all of my expectations. I was in heaven.

Then came intermission, er, I mean, the interval. I looked at the program
and said, "Ho hum, Brahms First. I suppose it will be all right."

It turned out to be the finest Brahms First I have ever heard, live or on
recordings. The Philips CD, made elsewhere during the Saito Kinen's tour,
is pretty good but doesn't even begin to come close.

I still regard that Edinburgh concert as one of the best musical
experiences of my life.

[Gerard]

Matthew B. Tepper <oy�@earthlink.net> typed:

We're sorry to hear that Shoshana and you missed that bed-and-breakfast in
Edinburgh.

[O]

In article <3f355$5035e611$5356543a$30...@cache60.multikabel.net>,

Gerard <ghendriks...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> We're sorry to hear that Shoshana and you missed that bed-and-breakfast in
> Edinburgh.
>

Gerard, I thought it was you who waved the cash.

-Owen

[Bob Harper]

On 8/23/12 1:13 AM, Gerard wrote:
(snip)

> We're sorry to hear that Shoshana and you missed that bed-and-breakfast in
> Edinburgh.
>

Gerard, what is it that makes you just *have* to be a jerk?

Bob Harper

[Gerard]

Bob Harper <bob.h...@comcast.net> typed:

Pardon? Aren't *you* sorry to hear such trouble?

[Kevin P. Mostyn]

The sources for these recordings are 16" transcription disks recorded
off-air in the American Midwest by Robert Buchsbaum. Transfers from discs to
digital were made by Eric Jacobs of The Audio Archive. The transfers from
disc to digital were underwritten by a generous grant from Albert
Schlachtmeyer. Processing for publication was done by Aaron Z. Snyder.

After Mr. Buchsbaum's passing, his collection was sold by his heirs. Much of
it survives, but some damage was suffered in a flood in a storage facility.
About 1,200 discs survive, covering a period starting in 1940, containing
many unique and fascinating recordings of live broadcasts by major artists &
orchestras & opera companies of the 1940s.

Below is an obituary notice for Mr. Buchsbaum.

--Kevin Mostyn

my real e-mail address is my first name at my last name dot com.

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BUCHSBAUM

Robert E. Buchsbaum, age 88, departed this life on January 30, 2001 in the
care of hospice, at the home of his son in Dayton, Oh. He was born Christmas
Day, December 25, 1912 in Gary, Ind. He was Valedictorian graduate of
Emerson High School with advanced degrees in music from the University of
Chicago. He was a nationally prominent first oboist in leading symphony
orchestras. He founded, conducted and directed the Gary Philharmonic
Orchestra, South Shore Music Festival, featuring world-renowned musical
artists and co-founded with his wife, Mina, the Columbus, Ohio Symphony
Orchestra.

Early in his career, he was conductor of several major orchestras including
those in Kansas City, Gary and Chicago. In addition to his career in music,
Mr. Buchsbaum developed some of the early techniques for sound recording in
the early 1940's, many of which are in current use.

In 1943 he founded Coronet Recording Co. in Columbus, Oh. to commercialize
his techniques. The music he recorded for over 50 years included leading
orchestras, nationally renowned soloists, outstanding choral groups, and
over 100 college marching bands. His works were popularized and heard by
millions through broadcast and other media. His recordings included The
Columbus Opera, The Columbus Symphony Orchestra, The Ohio State University
Marching Band, Capital University and every leading Big Ten University Band.
He was recently recognized at Ohio State for over 45 years of service and
made a Lifetime Honorary Member of The Ohio State Marching Band for his
musical contributions to the University.

He recorded a rare collection of original symphony/opera broadcasts from
1940 to 1946. Some of his recordings are in The Library of Congress.

Robert leaves his beloved wife of 60 years, Mina; 3 children, Maurice
Buchsbaum of Boca Raton, Fla., Sandra Lewis of Phoenix, Ariz. and Dr. Robert
Buchsbaum, Jr. of Dayton, Oh. He is also survived by his brother, Dr. Ralph
Buchsbaum of Pacific G rove, Calif.; 5 grandchildren; 2 great-grandchildren.
Memorial service for Mr. Buchsbaum will be held on Saturday, February 17 at
3 p.m. at Kable Chapel inside Kerns Religious Life Center, behind the
Blackmore Library on Capital University's main campus on East Main St. in
Columbus, Oh. The Chapel is located between College and Pleasant Ridge Aves.
In lieu of flowers, the family request contributions may be made to the
National Kidney Foundation.

[Matthew B. Tepper]

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[from an obituary of Robert Buchsbaum:]

> In 1943 he founded Coronet Recording Co. in Columbus, Oh. to
> commercialize his techniques. The music he recorded for over 50 years
> included leading orchestras, nationally renowned soloists, outstanding
> choral groups, and over 100 college marching bands. His works were
> popularized and heard by millions through broadcast and other media. His
> recordings included The Columbus Opera, The Columbus Symphony Orchestra,
> The Ohio State University Marching Band, Capital University and every
> leading Big Ten University Band. He was recently recognized at Ohio State
> for over 45 years of service and made a Lifetime Honorary Member of The
> Ohio State Marching Band for his musical contributions to the University.

Hmm, I wonder if he could be the unnamed conductor of a Berlioz Requiem I
have on a set of Coronet LPs, performed by the Ohio State University
Orchestra? This would suggest he is a most likely suspect.

[Oscar]

On Thursday, August 23, 2012 11:51:38 AM, Kevin P. Mostyn wrote:
>
> The sources for these recordings are 16" transcription disks recorded
> off-air in the American Midwest by Robert Buchsbaum. Transfers from discs to
> digital were made by Eric Jacobs of The Audio Archive. The transfers from
> disc to digital were underwritten by a generous grant from Albert
> Schlachtmeyer. Processing for publication was done by Aaron Z. Snyder.

Thx for the details, Kevin.

[Dontait...@aol.com]

I add my thanks, Kevin. There were some CSO titles in his things
too, some of which the CSO has issued.

Don Tait

[Sol L. Siegel]

"Matthew�B.�Tepper" <oy�@earthlink.net> wrote:

>>> By all means, Don, please carry on. �(Just not about Karajan!)
>>>
>>> (Well, SOMEone had to say it!)
>>

>> Karajan was a great conductor. Shouldn't mention his name?
>>

> Just going for the pun, Don, just going for the pun!

FWIW, I passed by his birthplace this week.

- Sol L. Siegel, Philadelphia, PA USA

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Karajan's, or Don's?

[Sol L. Siegel]

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>> FWIW, I passed by his birthplace this week.
>

> Karajan's, or Don's?

Herbie the K's. My group tour went to Salzburg, and it's on a
corner directly across from a key pedestrian bridge over the
river on the way to the *Mozart* birthplace, so it was all but
impossible to miss.

[mpe...@gmail.com]

On Tuesday, August 21, 2012 10:28:47 AM UTC-7, randy...@gmail.com wrote:
> The promo for this release claims this is the first ever release of these recordings:
>
>
>
> http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/Music%2B%2526%2BArts/MACD1264
>
> https://www.cdquest.com/music/details/0017685126420.html
>
>
>
> Could not find it on the Music And Arts web site yet.
>
>
>
> Anyone heard these CDs yet, or know the recordings some other way?

Thanks, Don! Just received from Naxos, and listening to No. 1 and bowled over by: sound and vety "involved" performance. Couldn't wait to hjear No. 2 before writing. But maybe later.

Thanks again
Martin Perlich

[Dontait...@aol.com]

Good deal! Post what you think about no. 2 if you feel like it. The
Carnegie Hall organ at the end is pretty impressive, isn't it? More
so, I think, than in Walter's stereo studio Columbia set from 15/16
years later.

Thanks for this.

Don T.

[operafan]

Hi, Martin--I regularly listened to your "late show" on WCLV as a
teenager, and I got introduced to all kinds of interesting music that
nobody else in Cleveland was playing. Thanks again for your always-
interesting show, which woke up my parents more than a few times <g>.

[Dontait...@aol.com]

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> [from an obituary of Robert Buchsbaum:]
>
> > In 1943 he founded Coronet Recording Co. in Columbus, Oh. to
> > commercialize his techniques. The music he recorded for over 50 years
> > included leading orchestras, nationally renowned soloists, outstanding
> > choral groups, and over 100 college marching bands. His works were
> > popularized and heard by millions through broadcast and other media. His
> > recordings included The Columbus Opera, The Columbus Symphony Orchestra,
> > The Ohio State University Marching Band, Capital University and every
> > leading Big Ten University Band. He was recently recognized at Ohio State
> > for over 45 years of service and made a Lifetime Honorary Member of The
> > Ohio State Marching Band for his musical contributions to the University.
>
> Hmm, I wonder if he could be the unnamed conductor of a Berlioz Requiem I
> have on a set of Coronet LPs, performed by the Ohio State University
> Orchestra?  This would suggest he is a most likely suspect.

Do you think the unnamed conductor might have been Thor Johnson? I
know he conducted the Berlioz Requiem. I remember that he put together
a performance at Northwestern University in Evanston, Illinois around
1958/9. And he was the conductor of the Cincinnatti SO during the
1950s, so he'd have been in Ohio.

Perhaps to all.

Don Tait

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An interesting idea, but is he known to have conducted at Ohio State?