Tower Japan to issue the Barenboim Chicago Bruckner recordings!
Randy Lane
Finally!, it comes in December as part of Tower Japan, but alas it
cannot be order outside Japan!!!
Sucks!!!
Heck51
Hmmm....some of that cycle was available on DG and DG Eloquence not
that long ago - I have Syms 4, 7, 9, and -0-
Sol L. Siegel
2278a1...@l13g2000yqb.googlegroups.com:
And I have 1 & Te Deum.
The whole thing was issued in a box in Europe sometime in the '90s. But no
one on Amazon is listing it.
--
- Sol L. Siegel, Philadelphia, PA USA
jrsnfld
> Heck51 <dgallagh...@comcast.net> wrote in news:5ef9d70d-929d-479b-a4b2-
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>
> > On Nov 7, 6:53 pm, Randy Lane <randy.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I've been wanting the DG Barenboim/CSO Bruckner cycle on CD for years.
> >> Finally!, it comes in December as part of Tower Japan, but alas it
> >> cannot be order outside Japan!!!
> >> Sucks!!!
>
> >>http://tinyurl.com/yj5jdxr
>
> > Hmmm....some of that cycle was available on DG and DG Eloquence not
> > that long ago - I have Syms 4, 7, 9, and -0-
>
> And I have 1 & Te Deum.
>
> The whole thing was issued in a box in Europe sometime in the '90s. But no
> one on Amazon is listing it.
>
> --
> - Sol L. Siegel, Philadelphia, PA USA
My local Tower Records in the States had the CD box for a while,
including during one of their $4.99 per disc sales on budget releases.
Perhaps I should have bought it then, although I was (and still am)
only missing the 3rd symphony--$50 for one disc seemed excessive.
--Jeff
Handel8
> Finally!, it comes in December as part of Tower Japan, but alas it
> cannot be order outside Japan!!!
> Sucks!!!
>
Is this set better than the later cycle with Berlin Phil ? Was the
Chicago set ever issued on cd as a set ? I don't see any info on
that. Maybe it had only come out as a set on LP, but I don't recall
that. The discographies I found for Barenboim were pretty sketchy.
The one at Barenboim's site is not complete and still under
construction.
I did a Babel Fish translation of the Tower web page you reference
and found nothing on there about not sold to anyone in the US. I
believe you can buy from Tower in Japan as an online customer but it
is very difficult. There was a lot of messages on this here a few
years ago. At least a few posters were able to successfully order from
Tower. I did not, but later found a seller at ebay who offered a few
of these Japanese issues for sale and also special ordered some items
for me. But this seller may be long gone by now. I also note that the
two Japanese sellers I use, HMV Japan and Cdjapan do not offer this
set for sale, but they may later if this issue isn't one of Tower's
exclusive issues. Lastly, the set comes out in mid-December, so there
may be more sellers come out of the woodwork by early next year. I
don't know why there wouldn't be interest in this in West, so a year
or so down the line, it may come out here. Also, we could email
Eloquence in Australia at Buywell and suggest they issue it.
Alan Prichard
Dil
> Thanks for this information. I had a couple questions and comments:
> Is this set better than the later cycle with Berlin Phil ?
I'd have to do a detailed listening review to answer that well. Both
sets have their pluses and minus and both are not wholly satisfactory.
DG-Jochum is my favorite among complete sets and is the most
consistent (IMHO). The Teldec set definitely has better sound than the
older DG set. About half (Symphonies #1, 2, 3, 8 & Te Deum) of the
Barenboim-DG performances are in poor early-digital sound with the
Eighth, unfortunately, being particularly harsh. Don't know if the new
Japanese issue will be remastered from the old set.
> Chicago set ever issued on cd as a set ?
Yes, with the same cover art -or, at least the same picture of
Barenboim on the cover (DG 428 025-2)
> I did a Babel Fish translation of the Tower web page you reference
> and found nothing on there about not sold to anyone in the US. I
> believe you can buy from Tower in Japan as an online customer but it
> is very difficult. There was a lot of messages on this here a few
> years ago. At least a few posters were able to successfully order from
> Tower. I did not, but later found a seller at ebay who offered a few
> of these Japanese issues for sale and also special ordered some items
> for me. But this seller may be long gone by now. I also note that the
> two Japanese sellers I use, HMV Japan and Cdjapan do not offer this
> set for sale, but they may later if this issue isn't one of Tower's
> exclusive issues.
Can't help there as I have never ordered from Tower Japan, I don't
think.
Dil.
Randy Lane
When you add it to your shopping cart a flag gets put next to it
stating it is not available for shipoment outside Japan.
Randy Lane
With regard to other retailers, these issues (the Tower Vintage
Collection) are commissioned by Tower Recordfs and only available from
Tower Records. The availability is possibly a condition of obtaining
the rights from Universal to issue these otherwise unavailable items.
And, BTW, I have obtained some pof these previously, and can vouch
that they are no CD-Rs. They are normal stamped CDs.
Some do become available later through eBay but at a premium price.
The only real alternative is to have it shipped to someone in Japan
and then privately shipped to your non-Japan address.
largo_57
> Also, we could email Eloquence in Australia at Buywell and suggest they issue it.
>
> Alan Prichard
I actually suggested to Buywell some months ago that this set be re-
issued on Eloquence, but never heard anything back from them.
- Bryan
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> On Nov 8, 8:38�am, Handel8 <ala...@nycap.rr.com> wrote:
>> Also, we could email Eloquence in Australia at Buywell and suggest they
>> issue it.
>
> I actually suggested to Buywell some months ago that this set be re-
> issued on Eloquence, but never heard anything back from them.
Likewise my suggestion that they reissue Stravinsky's "L'Histoire du Soldat"
with the Boston Chamber Symphony Players.
--
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Randy Lane
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> > On Nov 8, 8:38 am, Handel8 <ala...@nycap.rr.com> wrote:
> >> Also, we could email Eloquence in Australia at Buywell and suggest they
> >> issue it.
>
> > I actually suggested to Buywell some months ago that this set be re-
> > issued on Eloquence, but never heard anything back from them.
>
> Likewise my suggestion that they reissue Stravinsky's "L'Histoire du Soldat"
> with the Boston Chamber Symphony Players.
>
> --
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> Read about "Proty" here:http://home.earthlink.net/~oy/proty.html
> To write to me, do for my address what Androcles did for the lion
> Opinions expressed here are not necessarily those of my employers
I suggested the Stravinsky too, but to no avail.
I'd also like the same Boston ensemble's Dvorak op. 77 String Quintet.
Alan Cooper
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> On Nov 8, 2:36�pm, "Matthew�B.�Tepper" <oy�@earthlink.net>
Both very worthwhile. My own suggestion was that they get Van Beinum's Mahler 4th
back in print now that it's op in it Japanese incarnation.
AC
Frank Berger
Apparently, Beulah is about to release this (I'm assumuming this is the same
recording):
http://beulahcds.blogspot.com/2009/10/van-beinums-mahler-coming-soon.html
While death is never funny, I couldn't help giggling at this line:
"His health, never particularly robust, must have contributed to his early
death."
Alan Cooper
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> Alan Cooper wrote:
>> Randy Lane <randy...@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:4e3979a1-f64b-4d76...@f1g2000prf.googlegroup
>> s.c om:
If he hadn't died, he might still be alive. Speaking of which, I was surprised to
learn that the Beulah label is still among the living. Thanks for this
information; I wonder what source they used for their issue.
AC
Bob Harper
(snip)
> If he hadn't died, he might still be alive. Speaking of which, I was surprised to
> learn that the Beulah label is still among the living. Thanks for this
> information; I wonder what source they used for their issue.
>
> AC
working life for conductors, he'd have made recordings until, say, 1980.
The mind reels. And weeps.
Bob Harper
The Pale One
> Heck51 <dgallagh...@comcast.net> wrote in news:5ef9d70d-929d-479b-a4b2-
> 2278a1665...@l13g2000yqb.googlegroups.com:
>
> >> I've been wanting the DG Barenboim/CSO Bruckner cycle on CD for years.
> >> Finally!, it comes in December as part of Tower Japan, but alas it
> >> cannot be order outside Japan!!!
> >> Sucks!!!
>
> >>http://tinyurl.com/yj5jdxr
>
> > Hmmm....some of that cycle was available on DG and DG Eloquence not
> > that long ago - I have Syms 4, 7, 9, and -0-
>
> And I have 1 & Te Deum.
>
> The whole thing was issued in a box in Europe sometime in the '90s. But no
> one on Amazon is listing it.
>
> --
> - Sol L. Siegel, Philadelphia, PA USA
I sold my set off on e-bay a couple of years ago for some ridiculous
amount. It's a good set, but I rarely found myself taking it down from
the shelf to give a listen. I'm sure that it will see a budget re-
release by DG at some point.
Matthew�B.�Tepper
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>>
>> While death is never funny, I couldn't help giggling at this line:
>>
>> "His health, never particularly robust, must have contributed to his early
>> death."
>
> If he hadn't died, he might still be alive.
And the careers of both Georg Solti and Zubin Mehta, among others, might have
been considerably different.
> Speaking of which, I was surprised to learn that the Beulah label is still
> among the living. Thanks for this information; I wonder what source they
> used for their issue.
--
jrsnfld
> > If he hadn't died, he might still be alive.
>
> And the careers of both Georg Solti and Zubin Mehta, among others, might have
> been considerably different.
You mean, specifically, the LA connection?
Might Haitink's career have been affected as well?
And imagine what the job prospects for the Mehtas and Maazels of the
world might have looked like if Cantelli, Fricsay, Kempe, and Kertesz
had conducted until they were 75. What if Martinon or Rosbaud had
lived another decade? Imagine if Giuseppe Sinopoli were still alive--
whose job would he hold now?
--Jeff
Sol L. Siegel
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>
> Speaking of which, I was surprised to learn that the Beulah label is
> still among the living.
IIRC, they died and were revived.
Matthew�B.�Tepper
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> On Nov 8, 9:46�pm, "Matthew�B.�Tepper" <oy�@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> > If he hadn't died, he might still be alive.
>>
>> And the careers of both Georg Solti and Zubin Mehta, among others, might
>> have been considerably different.
>
> You mean, specifically, the LA connection?
Exactly.
> Might Haitink's career have been affected as well?
Very possibly; wasn't the Concertgebouw his "big break"?
> And imagine what the job prospects for the Mehtas and Maazels of the
> world might have looked like if Cantelli, Fricsay, Kempe, and Kertesz
> had conducted until they were 75. What if Martinon or Rosbaud had
> lived another decade? Imagine if Giuseppe Sinopoli were still alive--
> whose job would he hold now?
Indeed, or Keilberth, for that matter. Or if Horenstein had had just a few
more years.
Another of the more far-reaching deaths (albeit somewhat later) was that of,
of all people, Thomas Schippers.
jrsnfld
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> > On Nov 8, 9:46 pm, "Matthew B. Tepper" <oyþ@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >> > If he hadn't died, he might still be alive.
>
> >> And the careers of both Georg Solti and Zubin Mehta, among others, might
> >> have been considerably different.
>
> > You mean, specifically, the LA connection?
>
> Exactly.
>
> > Might Haitink's career have been affected as well?
>
> Very possibly; wasn't the Concertgebouw his "big break"?
>
> > And imagine what the job prospects for the Mehtas and Maazels of the
> > world might have looked like if Cantelli, Fricsay, Kempe, and Kertesz
> > had conducted until they were 75. What if Martinon or Rosbaud had
> > lived another decade? Imagine if Giuseppe Sinopoli were still alive--
> > whose job would he hold now?
>
> Indeed, or Keilberth, for that matter. Or if Horenstein had had just a few
> more years.
>
> Another of the more far-reaching deaths (albeit somewhat later) was that of,
> of all people, Thomas Schippers.
Yes, good point. It's fun nonsense to speculate if what would have
happened if Cantelli had gotten the NY Philharmonic instead of
Bernstein. would Lenny have taken over Boston after Munch, or would he
have taken a lesser orchestra to work his way up? Would Martinon have
ever ended up in Chicago if Fricsay or Leinsdorf been available...or
Rosbaud? Kertesz in Cleveland after Maazel, or in Philadelphia after
Muti? MIght Martinon then have had a reputation intact to take over
Boston after Lenny left for Europe, restoring their historical tie to
French repertoire? Would Fricsay lead the Berlin Phil at the twilight
of his career? Would Cantelli have moved back to Italy or London to
take La Scala and the Philharmonia, throwing off the arc of Abbado and
Muti's rise?
--Jeff
Matthew�B.�Tepper
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> Yes, good point. It's fun nonsense to speculate if what would have
> happened if Cantelli had gotten the NY Philharmonic instead of Bernstein.
> would Lenny have taken over Boston after Munch, or would he have taken a
> lesser orchestra to work his way up? Would Martinon have ever ended up in
> Chicago if Fricsay or Leinsdorf been available...or Rosbaud? Kertesz in
> Cleveland after Maazel, or in Philadelphia after Muti? MIght Martinon
> then have had a reputation intact to take over Boston after Lenny left
> for Europe, restoring their historical tie to French repertoire? Would
> Fricsay lead the Berlin Phil at the twilight of his career? Would
> Cantelli have moved back to Italy or London to take La Scala and the
> Philharmonia, throwing off the arc of Abbado and Muti's rise?
How about a stereo recording of the Brahms Horn Trio with Brain, Neveu, and
Kapell?
jrsnfld
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> > Yes, good point. It's fun nonsense to speculate if what would have
> > happened if Cantelli had gotten the NY Philharmonic instead of Bernstein.
> > would Lenny have taken over Boston after Munch, or would he have taken a
> > lesser orchestra to work his way up? Would Martinon have ever ended up in
> > Chicago if Fricsay or Leinsdorf been available...or Rosbaud? Kertesz in
> > Cleveland after Maazel, or in Philadelphia after Muti? MIght Martinon
> > then have had a reputation intact to take over Boston after Lenny left
> > for Europe, restoring their historical tie to French repertoire? Would
> > Fricsay lead the Berlin Phil at the twilight of his career? Would
> > Cantelli have moved back to Italy or London to take La Scala and the
> > Philharmonia, throwing off the arc of Abbado and Muti's rise?
>
> How about a stereo recording of the Brahms Horn Trio with Brain, Neveu, and
> Kapell?
Yes! but it would now be available only at a premium price from Tower
Japan, not for US consumption....
--Jeff
Matthew�B.�Tepper
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As long as we're fantasizing about alternate realities where certain
individuals did not die when they did, how about businesses too?
jrsnfld
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>
> > On Nov 9, 8:59 am, "Matthew B. Tepper" <oyþ@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> jrsnfld <jrsn...@aol.com> appears to have caused the following letters
> >> to be typed in news:7bab4382-7f67-41b8-b641-09181f50cbb2
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>
> >> > Yes, good point. It's fun nonsense to speculate if what would have
> >> > happened if Cantelli had gotten the NY Philharmonic instead of
> >> > Bernstein. would Lenny have taken over Boston after Munch, or would
> >> > he have taken a lesser orchestra to work his way up? Would Martinon
> >> > have ever ended up in Chicago if Fricsay or Leinsdorf been available
> >> > ...or Rosbaud? Kertesz in Cleveland after Maazel, or in Philadelphia
> >> > after Muti? MIght Martinon then have had a reputation intact to take
> >> > over Boston after Lenny left for Europe, restoring their historical
> >> > tie to French repertoire? Would Fricsay lead the Berlin Phil at the
> >> > twilight of his career? Would Cantelli have moved back to Italy or
> >> > London to take La Scala and the Philharmonia, throwing off the arc of
> >> > Abbado and Muti's rise?
>
> >> How about a stereo recording of the Brahms Horn Trio with Brain, Neveu,
> >> and Kapell?
>
> > Yes! but it would now be available only at a premium price from Tower
> > Japan, not for US consumption....
>
> As long as we're fantasizing about alternate realities where certain
> individuals did not die when they did, how about businesses too?
Ok...the recording is released on the Ben and Jerry's label. Mousse-
haired (that's a rich mocha mousse with hazelnut accents, not the fake
stuff you get at salons) marketing execs are paid no more than 7 times
the amount the musicians make, plus they consume their own product as
readily as their customers do...hence the Kapell/Neveu/Brain recording
is only $4 and tastes like chocolate with graham cracker and caramel
swirls as you listen and is manufactured with a low carbon footprint
and organic ingredients in a socially progressive Vermont collective.
And of course, trilingual, scholarly notes (with complete USDA
nutritional labeling) included.
--Jeff
Dontait...@aol.com
> Apparently, Beulah is about to release this (I'm assumuming this is the same
> recording):
>
> http://beulahcds.blogspot.com/2009/10/van-beinums-mahler-coming-soon....
>
> While death is never funny, I couldn't help giggling at this line:
>
> "His health, never particularly robust, must have contributed to his early
> death."
Woops. Thanks. I love it.
That reminded me of the notes for a recording of Beethoven's 9th
Symphony conducted by Wilhelm Schuechter with the "NORD Deutsches
Symphony Orchestra" (sic), soloists, and chorus on USA Somerset LP set
PMCC-202. The notes state about Beethoven that
"In 1826 he caught cold, developed pneumonia and never recovered
until his death in 1827."
On the musical "plane," I remember this as an excellent performance,
the noisy inferior Somerset LP pressings regardless (it was a bargain-
basement-price set). I regard Schuechter as an overlooked but
excellent conductor based upon his recordings, which I've collected.
To add to other posts in this thread, I seem to recall that
Schuechter was another conductor who died relatively young (in his
50s, perhaps). Otto Ackermann, too.
Don Tait
Russ (not Martha)
>
> It's fun nonsense to speculate if what would have
> happened if Cantelli had gotten the NY Philharmonic instead of
> Bernstein.
It would never have happened. Cantelli and the NYP did **not** get
along, and in fact Cantelli was killed returning to New York to
fulfill an engagement with that orchestra that he had tried
unsuccessfully to get out of.
See Jerome Toobin's book "Agitato" which describes the former NBC
Symphony's struggle for survival after Toscanini's (forced)
retirement. Wonderful (and poignant) Cantelli stories.
FRuss (not Martha)
Matthew�B.�Tepper
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> On Nov 9, 12:39�pm, "Matthew�B.�Tepper" <oy�@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> As long as we're fantasizing about alternate realities where certain
>> individuals did not die when they did, how about businesses too?
>
> Ok...the recording is released on the Ben and Jerry's label. Mousse-
> haired (that's a rich mocha mousse with hazelnut accents, not the fake
> stuff you get at salons) marketing execs are paid no more than 7 times
> the amount the musicians make, plus they consume their own product as
> readily as their customers do...hence the Kapell/Neveu/Brain recording
> is only $4 and tastes like chocolate with graham cracker and caramel
> swirls as you listen and is manufactured with a low carbon footprint
> and organic ingredients in a socially progressive Vermont collective.
> And of course, trilingual, scholarly notes (with complete USDA
> nutritional labeling) included.
You are a very silly person.
M forever
Sinopoli would probably still be in Dresden. He was very successful
there and got along great with the orchestra.
Haitink, I think, in a tragic way, benefitted from van Beinum's death
because he happened to be there in the right place, at the right time,
when it was apparently very important for them to have a Dutch
conductor at the head of the Concertgebouworkest. I don't think anyone
ever got as lucky a break as he did, being groomed to take over a top
orchestra. If that hadn't occurred, I seriously doubt he would have
made the great career he did. He would probably be someone we have
heard of here and there, but not much more. Kind of like de Waart.
jrsnfld
Maybe the exigencies of not having a top orchestra from the start
would have forced him to become a more interesting conductor in order
to get noticed.
--Jeff
M forever
> On Nov 7, 8:40 pm, "Sol L. Siegel" <vod...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Heck51 <dgallagh...@comcast.net> wrote in news:5ef9d70d-929d-479b-a4b2-
> > 2278a1665...@l13g2000yqb.googlegroups.com:
>
> > > On Nov 7, 6:53 pm, Randy Lane <randy.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> I've been wanting the DG Barenboim/CSO Bruckner cycle on CD for years.
> > >> Finally!, it comes in December as part of Tower Japan, but alas it
> > >> cannot be order outside Japan!!!
> > >> Sucks!!!
>
> > >>http://tinyurl.com/yj5jdxr
>
> > > Hmmm....some of that cycle was available on DG and DG Eloquence not
> > > that long ago - I have Syms 4, 7, 9, and -0-
>
> > And I have 1 & Te Deum.
>
> > The whole thing was issued in a box in Europe sometime in the '90s. But no
> > one on Amazon is listing it.
>
> > - Sol L. Siegel, Philadelphia, PA USA
>
> including during one of their $4.99 per disc sales on budget releases.
> Perhaps I should have bought it then, although I was (and still am)
> only missing the 3rd symphony--$50 for one disc seemed excessive.
>
> --Jeff
You could hunt for this:
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/6465/brucknerbaremboim3.jpg
I have the 8th in a Spanish DG edition. I wonder why this cycle has
apparently only been released once briefly in Europe, especially since
DG repackage their stuff all the time. I would think that at least in
the US, there are a lot of people who would buy it. Or maybe that's
not enough for them.
jrsnfld
The 8th was one of the harder ones to find on CD. I already had it on
Lp so never looked for it on CD, but that Spanish disc was a good
find. I actually did not mind the digital sound on that one...at
least, not compared to the sound Abbado and Solti were getting at the
time, in the same city.
--Jeff
Sol L. Siegel
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> How about a stereo recording of the Brahms Horn Trio with Brain,
> Neveu, and Kapell?
Lipatti, Matthew, Lipatti!
jrsnfld
> "Matthew B. Tepper" <oyþ@earthlink.net> wrote innews:Xns9CBE5B88FB...@216.168.3.70:
>
> > How about a stereo recording of the Brahms Horn Trio with Brain,
> > Neveu, and Kapell?
>
> Lipatti, Matthew, Lipatti!
Tamarkina, Sol, Tamarkina! :-)
--Jeff
M forever
I only listened to the recording once and then put it away as I found
it thoroughly unmemorable in every respect, so my recollection is not
very detailed, but there was something very odd about the sound. I
don't think it was "digitalness" either, at least not in the sense of
excessive "brightness" or "harshness". IIRC, it had more to do with
the way the recording was miked and mixed, and that is a problem in
the other recordings I know from this series, too, no matter if they
are digital or not. There is a certain "tunnelness" to the way the
sections of the orchestra are recorded and how they shift perspective
depending on the dynamics, especially the brass. Generally, when
things get louder, the brass is often suddenly zoomed to the
forefront, apparently because DG wanted to outdecca Decca with these
recordings. That, coupled with Barenboim's lack of control over
dynamic development, makes for strange effects and a dynamic and
musical "flatness" of the recordings. Things are either flatly soft
and flabby, or, when crescendos are supposed to happen over long
stretches, they get louder very suddenly at some random point in the
crescendo, and then pretty much stay on the same level. Sometimes,
that's an almost comical effect, underlined by the orchestra's
tendency to play Bruckner's repetitive motifs with no internal buildup
of tension at all. Like the many passages in 4/I in which the brass
play 2 quarter and 3 quarter triplets in every bar and the buildup and
discharge of energy inherent in these repeated motifs going through
various keys doesn't happen at all because it is all just plainly loud
and mechanical.
In his later Berlin cycle, Barenboim doesn't show himself more in
control of long range development of the music any more either.
Superficially, it all sounds maybe a little more "Brucknerian" because
the BP has more sonical substance and plays in longer, connected
musical lines, but there isn't much internal buildup and development
either, the music just doodles along. I think both cycles are pretty
unremarkable, and other conductors have achieved significantly more
impressive performance with both orchestras.
Matthew�B.�Tepper
to be typed in news:Xns9CBFEDF6FC9...@130.133.1.4:
> "Matthew�B.�Tepper" <oy�@earthlink.net> wrote in
> news:Xns9CBE5B88FB...@216.168.3.70:
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>> How about a stereo recording of the Brahms Horn Trio with Brain,
>> Neveu, and Kapell?
>
> Lipatti, Matthew, Lipatti!
Either one works.