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RIP Wolfgang Sawallisch

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Praetorius

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Feb 24, 2013, 10:36:21 AM2/24/13
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Praetorius

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Matthew B. Tepper

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"Praetorius" <praetor...@verizon.net> appears to have caused the
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> http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/artswatch/Wolfgang-Sawallisch-1923-201
> 3.html

Sad news. And I was just playing his performance (as both conductor and
piano soloist, in the Philadelphia Orchestra's self-issued big box) of
Beethoven's Choral Fantasy, for a friend the other day.

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Bob Harper

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On 2/24/13 7:37 AM, Praetorius wrote:
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A model for obituaries: respectful, honest, and detailed.

Bob Harper

John Thomas

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Feb 25, 2013, 1:09:50 AM2/25/13
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On Feb 24, 1:53 pm, Bob Harper <bob.har...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On 2/24/13 7:37 AM, Praetorius wrote:>http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/artswatch/Wolfgang-Sawallisch-1923...
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> A model for obituaries: respectful, honest, and detailed.
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> Bob Harper

Anne Midgette's in the NY Times: http://tinyurl.com/ahcg3kd

Bob Harper

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Feb 25, 2013, 10:29:07 AM2/25/13
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I was a bit put off by a couple of phrases: "his specialties were the
so-called classics, from Haydn and Mozart through Schumann to Wagner";
so-called, eh? And this: "He resisted the trend toward increasingly
interpretive contemporary stage productions." In other words, he wanted
nothing to do with Eurotrash. Good for him.

I have the Hindemith disc from his Philadelphia tenure. Other
recommendations?

Bob Harper

wkasimer

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Feb 25, 2013, 12:25:28 PM2/25/13
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On Feb 25, 10:29 am, Bob Harper <bob.har...@comcast.net> wrote:

> I have the Hindemith disc from his Philadelphia tenure. Other
> recommendations?

Capriccio (despite Schwarzkopf)
Die Frau ohne Schatten
Wagner's Flying Dutchman, Tannhauser, Lohengrin, and Meistersinger.
Schumann symphonies with the Dresden Staatskapelle

His recording of Strauss' Festliches Praeludium is something I play at
the office on most Friday afternoons to inaugurate the weekend.

Bill

Phlmaestro75

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Feb 25, 2013, 12:55:36 PM2/25/13
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If you aren't averse to Strauss' Symphonia Domestica, here is part one of one of the few video documents (it's available on DVD) from the period during which Sawallisch and the Philadelphia Orchestra were at the height of their musical relationship:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtOr2CblMws

As far as recordings with the PO, the best ones may be the downloads that the Orchestra used to make available on their site, but which can now be obtained in Flac from HD Tracks or as MP3s from Amazon. The Shostakovich and Bruckner 5th symphonies are good bets.

Dana John Hill

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Feb 25, 2013, 1:54:56 PM2/25/13
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"Bob Harper" <bob.h...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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There's a Wagner disc with the Wesendonck-Lieder (arr. Henze), plus the
Rienzi and Liebesverbot overtures, and a Symphony in E Major.

I've long enjoyed his piano playing on discs of Lieder. The DG recording of
Brahms' Opp. 52 and 65 is a favorite.

Dana John Hill
Gainesville, Florida


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RiRiIII

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Feb 26, 2013, 10:13:10 AM2/26/13
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On Monday, February 25, 2013 9:45:29 PM UTC+2, EM wrote:
> "Praetorius" <praetor...@verizon.net> - Sun, 24 Feb 2013 10:36:21
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> LvB: Fidelio overture, PC No. 4 (with Perahia), Symph. No. 6.
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> RCO/Sawallisch.
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> April 10, 1991; Concertgebouw Amsterdam.
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> http://concerthuis.radio4.nl/concert/2980
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> EM

My only concert experience with Sawallisch was an open air concert below Acropolis in 1995 with the Concertgebouw Orchestra (Tchaikovsky VC with FP Zimmarmann and Hindemith's Weber Variations). Fantastic!

Norman Schwartz

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Feb 26, 2013, 11:23:14 AM2/26/13
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He serves as pianist in many of Arts Music's Strauss Chamber Music
recordings, available both singly and as a box set.
http://www.amazon.com/R-Strauss-Complete-Chamber-Music/dp/B00001XDO6/ref=sr_1_3?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1361895625&sr=1-3&keywords=sawallisch+strauss+chamber+music

William Sommerwerck

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Feb 26, 2013, 1:23:02 PM2/26/13
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> I don't have any problem with their nomenclature. If the "eras" go (crudely)
> Mediaeval - Renaissance - Baroque - Galant - Classic - Romantic - etc., it
> would seem that Haydn and Mozart would, in the minds of many people, be the
> "classical" composers. But these days, the word "classical" tends to refer
> popularly to all "serious music" or "longhair music", so it seems to me
> appropriate to use the term "so-called" for a list that includes Wagner and
> Schumann as well as Haydn and Mozart. (God, I wish I hadn't started this!)

The word "Classical" is a proper noun, traditionally referring to a specific
musical era. When not capitalized -- "classical" -- it refers to all
"long-hair", "serious", or "Western art" music.

Mark S

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Feb 26, 2013, 1:24:54 PM2/26/13
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On Feb 26, 10:23 am, "William Sommerwerck"
Agreed. The modifier "so called" is totally unnecessary.

Herman

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Feb 26, 2013, 1:25:07 PM2/26/13
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Le mardi 26 février 2013 19:23:02 UTC+1, William Sommerwerck a écrit :


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> The word "Classical" is a proper noun,

Obviously it is not.

It's an adjective.

In this case the tacit noun is "music" or "composer".

William Sommerwerck

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"Herman" wrote in message
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>> The word "Classical" is a proper noun,

> Obviously it is not. It's an adjective.
> In this case the tacit noun is "music" or "composer".

Good point. Thanks.

Bob Harper

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Feb 26, 2013, 3:11:05 PM2/26/13
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That was my point.

Bob Harper

Phlmaestro75

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Matthew B. Tepper

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John Thomas <abras...@gmail.com> appears to have caused the following
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And here's what billboard.com has to say:

Herman

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Le mercredi 27 février 2013 04:06:46 UTC+1, Phlmaestro75 a écrit :
> Another nice tribute from one of the Philadelphia Orchestra musicians:
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> http://www.newsworks.org/index.php/arts-and-culture-everything/item/51546-wolfgang-sawallisch-an-appreciation-from-a-long-time-philadelphia-orchestra-musician?Itemid=4

"At his retirement, brought on sadly by declining health, one of the most touching and telling comments came from a colleague, who said Sawallisch was one of the very few directors he had ever encountered, anywhere, who, at the end of his tenure, the orchestra actually like (loved!) more than at the beginning of his tenure. This is indeed high praise in a profession where too often the old adage "familiarity breeds contempt" is only too true. "

William Sommerwerck

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Feb 27, 2013, 11:27:11 AM2/27/13
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> And here's what billboard.com has to say:


I assume this is meant ironically.

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Feb 27, 2013, 11:37:04 AM2/27/13
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In article <XnsA1744D42D18...@216.196.97.131>, Matthew B.
Let me elaborate on just how much I think of billboard:

David Fox

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Feb 27, 2013, 11:45:28 AM2/27/13
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What does Sports Illustrated have to say?

DF

Herman

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Feb 27, 2013, 12:45:53 PM2/27/13
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Le mercredi 27 février 2013 17:45:28 UTC+1, David Fox a écrit :


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> What does Sports Illustrated have to say?
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they're saving it up for the swimsuit issue

Oscar

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On Feb 27, 9:45 am, Herman wrote:
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> > What does Sports Illustrated have to say?
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> they're saving it up for the swimsuit issue

ex-pat!

Norman Schwartz

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Feb 27, 2013, 1:57:29 PM2/27/13
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WS was hardly a household name. Van Cliburn's passing is a better test.


David Fox

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Feb 27, 2013, 2:28:00 PM2/27/13
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Van Cliburn sold lots of records. That's what Billboard (and its
readers and advertisers) is primarily focused on: record sales.
In addition, Van Cliburn was a national hero, an international
celebrity, and a major cultural (and pop-culture) figure.

DF

David Fox

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Feb 27, 2013, 2:33:14 PM2/27/13
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On 2/27/13 7:35 AM, Matthew B. Tepper wrote:
Out of curiosity, why do you read Billboard? What's your fascination
with it's coverage or lack of coverage? In general, I'm not surprised
when publications with an editorial focus far different from my own
interests fail to focus on what I find interesting. That's why I don't
subscribe to ""Guns and Ammo" or "Vogue."

DF

wkasimer

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Feb 27, 2013, 3:06:22 PM2/27/13
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On Feb 27, 2:28 pm, David Fox <davidfox2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Van Cliburn sold lots of records.

Indeed he did. My parents owned a copy of his Tchaikovsky concerto
recording, and we didn't even have a "record player", as such things
were called in my childhood.

Bill

Gerard

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Feb 27, 2013, 3:42:58 PM2/27/13
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David Fox <davidf...@yahoo.com> typed:
> On 2/27/13 7:35 AM, Matthew B. Tepper wrote:
> > John Thomas <abras...@gmail.com> appears to have caused the
> > following letters to be typed in
> > news:63e621af-cc2b-4925-82b3-eb3bf5286a92
> > @kw7g2000pbb.googlegroups.com:
> >
> > > On Feb 24, 1:53 pm, Bob Harper <bob.har...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > > > On 2/24/13 7:37 AM, Praetorius
> > > > wrote:>http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/
> > > > artswatch/Wolfgang-Sawallisch-1923...
> > > >
> > > > A model for obituaries: respectful, honest, and detailed.
> > > >
> > > > Bob Harper
> > >
> > > Anne Midgette's in the NY Times: http://tinyurl.com/ahcg3kd
> >
> > And here's what billboard.com has to say:
> >
> Out of curiosity, why do you read Billboard?

To be able to complain about it.

M forever

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Feb 27, 2013, 5:57:56 PM2/27/13
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On Feb 27, 2:33 pm, David Fox <davidfox2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 2/27/13 7:35 AM, Matthew B. Tepper wrote:
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I don't read "Guns and Ammo" either but the other day I stumbled
across the "Outdoor Channel" and it was amazing to see all the kinds
of high powered guns and special types and ammo and scopes and
nightvision systems etc they advertise there.

wanwan

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On Feb 27, 9:33 am, David Fox <davidfox2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 2/27/13 7:35 AM, Matthew B. Tepper wrote:
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I guess cause at one time Billboard did have some decent coverage of
classical music.

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Eric

John Wiser

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"wanwan" <chibi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Feb 27, 9:33 am, David Fox <davidfox2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 2/27/13 7:35 AM, Matthew B. Tepper wrote:
>
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> > John Thomas <abrasax...@gmail.com> appears to have caused the following
> > letters to be typed in news:63e621af-cc2b-4925-82b3-eb3bf5286a92
> > @kw7g2000pbb.googlegroups.com:
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> >> On Feb 24, 1:53 pm, Bob Harper <bob.har...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>> On 2/24/13 7:37 AM, Praetorius wrote:>http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/
> >>> artswatch/Wolfgang-Sawallisch-1923...
>
> >>> A model for obituaries: respectful, honest, and detailed.
>
> >>> Bob Harper
>
> >> Anne Midgette's in the NY Times: http://tinyurl.com/ahcg3kd
>
> > And here's what billboard.com has to say:
>
>> Out of curiosity, why do you read Billboard? What's your fascination
>> with it's coverage or lack of coverage? In general, I'm not surprised
>> when publications with an editorial focus far different from my own
>> interests fail to focus on what I find interesting. That's why I don't
>> subscribe to ""Guns and Ammo" or "Vogue."

> I guess cause at one time Billboard did have some decent coverage of
> classical music.


Israel Horowitz in the 70s did a one-page
gossip-column style current chronicle.
It was not the publication of first resort
for classical music news.
Where Tepper gets off, I don't understand.
Surely there are real targets out there.

jdw

Matthew B. Tepper

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Indeed, and when I posted (yes, ironically) about billboard.com's
"coverage" of Sawallisch's death, I had not yet heard about Cliburn.

Google shows me that there are articles on Cliburn's passing in several
places already:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/27/us-vancliburn-
idUSBRE91Q0XG20130227

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/02/27/american-classical-pianist-van-
cliburn-dies-at-78/

http://www.latimes.com/news/obituaries/la-me-van-cliburn-
20130227,0,7322869.story

http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/chi-van-cliburn-dead-
20130227,0,3923080.column

http://www.jsonline.com/entertainment/national/van-cliburn-american-
classical-pianist-diesdb85a4e88f5541dbb671914562293a8e-193588631.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/van-cliburn-celebrated-classical-
pianist-dies-at-78/2013/02/27/beb517ac-3636-11e1-afdf-67906fc95149
_story.html

At billboard.com, nothing, although they do allow as how he recorded one or
two "albums."

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Matthew B. Tepper

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It claims to be a journal of the music industry. I enjoy showing that that
is a false statement.

Gerard

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Matthew B. Tepper <oyþ@earthlink.net> typed:
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> following letters to be typed in
> news:1KWdnXY_PoXmwrPM...@giganews.com:
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> > On 2/27/13 7:35 AM, Matthew B. Tepper wrote:
> > >
> > > And here's what billboard.com has to say:
> > >
> > Out of curiosity, why do you read Billboard? What's your
> > fascination with it's coverage or lack of coverage? In general,
> > I'm not surprised when publications with an editorial focus far
> > different from my own interests fail to focus on what I find
> > interesting. That's why I don't subscribe to ""Guns and Ammo" or
> > "Vogue."
>
> It claims to be a journal of the music industry. I enjoy showing
> that that is a false statement.

That is: you enjoy saying things you've said more than 25 times before.

David Fox

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On 2/28/13 10:55 AM, Matthew B. Tepper wrote:
> David Fox <davidf...@yahoo.com> appears to have caused the following
> letters to be typed in news:1KWdnXY_PoXmwrPM...@giganews.com:
>
>> On 2/27/13 7:35 AM, Matthew B. Tepper wrote:
>>>
>>> And here's what billboard.com has to say:
>>>
>> Out of curiosity, why do you read Billboard? What's your fascination with
>> it's coverage or lack of coverage? In general, I'm not surprised when
>> publications with an editorial focus far different from my own interests
>> fail to focus on what I find interesting. That's why I don't subscribe to
>> ""Guns and Ammo" or "Vogue."
>
> It claims to be a journal of the music industry. I enjoy showing that that
> is a false statement.
>

Music Industry = Music Business. Classical music is part of the music
business but not (unfortunately) in an economically significant way
either on a relative or absolute basis especially in the US.

Rugby, racquetball, and lacrosse are a sports, but Sports Illustrated
gives them little or no coverage unless there is some other notable
human interest angle. They need to sell magazines and to do so they
focus on what the majority of their readers want to read. What's so
strange about that? Why on earth would you expect them to act
otherwise? As it so happens, my younger son loves lacrosse. Luckily
there are magazines that cater to him just as there are classical music
periodicals which cater to me.

DF

Norman Schwartz

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Feb 28, 2013, 7:35:48 PM2/28/13
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Somewhere it was recently mentioned that his hit Tchaikovsy Concerto
recording was the only classical recording to have ever sold more than 1
million copies. Since that time many more must have been purchased. I wonder
if this 1 million mark for a classical release still holds true today.




> DF


David Fox

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Feb 28, 2013, 7:51:19 PM2/28/13
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I found this old list, but even in 1996 Cliburn's Tchaikovsky was
nowhere to be found:

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080109171733AATZyun

I'm sure "The Three Tenors" remain solidly at #1. Some lists include
the "Titanic" soundtrack, which I'd put in a separate category
("soundtracks") even though it was released by Sony Classical.

DF
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Norman Schwartz

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Matthew B. Tepper wrote:
> David Fox <davidf...@yahoo.com> appears to have caused the
> following letters to be typed in
> news:1KWdnXY_PoXmwrPM...@giganews.com:
>
>> On 2/27/13 7:35 AM, Matthew B. Tepper wrote:
>>>
>>> And here's what billboard.com has to say:
>>>
>> Out of curiosity, why do you read Billboard? What's your
>> fascination with it's coverage or lack of coverage? In general, I'm
>> not surprised when publications with an editorial focus far
>> different from my own interests fail to focus on what I find
>> interesting. That's why I don't subscribe to ""Guns and Ammo" or
>> "Vogue."
>
> It claims to be a journal of the music industry. I enjoy showing
> that that is a false statement.

Indeed. I suppose 99.9% of their readership have next to zero interest in
Classical. They do however list classical amongst their "Additional Genres".
http://www.billboard.com/charts/classical-albums . In this current regard
they are just a lost cause.


Sol L. Siegel

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Feb 28, 2013, 10:28:00 PM2/28/13
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"Matthew B. Tepper" <oy�@earthlink.net> wrote:

> At billboard.com, nothing, although they do allow as how he recorded
> one or two "albums."

...including one of the very few classical LPs that ever won an RIAA
Gold Record.

- Sol L. Siegel, Philadelphia, PA USA

Steve de Mena

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Feb 28, 2013, 11:14:18 PM2/28/13
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On 2/28/13 10:55 AM, Matthew B. Tepper wrote:

> Indeed, and when I posted (yes, ironically) about billboard.com's
> "coverage" of Sawallisch's death, I had not yet heard about Cliburn.

> At billboard.com, nothing, although they do allow as how he recorded one or
> two "albums."
>

Van Cliburn, American Classical Pianist, Dies

http://www.billboard.com/biz/articles/news/legal-and-management/1550083/van-cliburn-american-classical-pianist-dies

Steve
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Matthew B. Tepper

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Indeed; maybe 90% krossover krap. At least Gramophone has their
"specialist" list, or whatever they call it, which lists Realklassik.

Matthew B. Tepper

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That's not *from* billboard.com. It's just the Associated Press obit, which
some flunky at billboard.com just did a cut-and-paste job on, because they
couldn't be bothered. Laaaaaaaazy.

Matthew B. Tepper

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Oh, there's a fair amount of stuff released by Sony Classical which I would
put in a separate category.

Steve de Mena

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On 3/1/13 9:04 PM, Matthew B. Tepper wrote:
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> letters to be typed in news:FNmdnQ_t58uItq3M...@giganews.com:
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>> On 2/28/13 10:55 AM, Matthew B. Tepper wrote:
>>
>>> Indeed, and when I posted (yes, ironically) about billboard.com's
>>> "coverage" of Sawallisch's death, I had not yet heard about Cliburn.
>>
>>> At billboard.com, nothing, although they do allow as how he recorded
>>> one or two "albums."
>>>
>>
>> Van Cliburn, American Classical Pianist, Dies
>>
>> http://www.billboard.com/biz/articles/news/legal-and-management/1550083/v
>> an-cliburn-american-classical-pianist-dies
>
> That's not *from* billboard.com. It's just the Associated Press obit, which
> some flunky at billboard.com just did a cut-and-paste job on, because they
> couldn't be bothered. Laaaaaaaazy.
>

Of course it's from Billboard. LOL. Do you take the LA Times and
snip out all the wire service stories?

Steve

RiRiIII

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On Sunday, February 24, 2013 5:36:21 PM UTC+2, Praetorius wrote:
> http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/artswatch/Wolfgang-Sawallisch-1923-2013.html

Yesterday (March 1) Mehta and the Bavarian Radio SO paid tribute to Sawallisch by playing Bach's Aria before the proper concert program in Munich.

Alex

Alan Dawes

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In article <512ff832$0$20192$607e...@cv.net>,
Norman Schwartz <nm...@optonline.net> wrote:
> > Van Cliburn sold lots of records. That's what Billboard (and its
> > readers and advertisers) is primarily focused on: record sales.
> > In addition, Van Cliburn was a national hero, an international
> > celebrity, and a major cultural (and pop-culture) figure.
> >
> Somewhere it was recently mentioned that his hit Tchaikovsy Concerto
> recording was the only classical recording to have ever sold more than 1
> million copies. Since that time many more must have been purchased. I
> wonder if this 1 million mark for a classical release still holds true
> today.

I thought that Enrico Caruso performing "Vesti la giubba" from Pagliacci
was the first million-seller record in American history.

Alan

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Frank Berger

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Mar 7, 2013, 2:02:52 PM3/7/13
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Wikipedia cites Cronomedia for that. Chronomedia gives no source. A few
minutes of googling around provided no proof. Who knows?

Sol L. Siegel

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"Frank Berger" <frankd...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:w7-dnZ_BG8T9eaXM...@supernews.com:

> Alan Dawes wrote:

>>> Somewhere it was recently mentioned that his hit Tchaikovsy Concerto
>>> recording was the only classical recording to have ever sold more
>>> than 1 million copies. Since that time many more must have been
>>> purchased. I wonder if this 1 million mark for a classical release
>>> still holds true today.
>>
>> I thought that Enrico Caruso performing "Vesti la giubba" from
>> Pagliacci was the first million-seller record in American history.
>>
>> Alan
>
> Wikipedia cites Cronomedia for that. Chronomedia gives no source. A
> few minutes of googling around provided no proof. Who knows?

Many years ago, I wrote a piece about that. But I can't find my copy.

In the US, it's RIAA that certifies such things: Gold for 500K
copies, Platinum for a million. ca. 1980, I recall that there were
five certified classical golds, but I can only remember four, and
RIAA's less-than-ideal database confirms them: the Cliburn Tchaikovsky
(the only one in the bunch to go platinum, years later); the 1963
Karajan Beethoven cycle, which didn't get certified until 1977, just
before the Philharmonie remake came out; and two Ormandy/Philadelphia
albums, the cut Messiah with the Mormon Tabernacle and "The Glorious
Sound of Christmas."

Cliburn got another gold later for "My Favorite Chopin". Bernstein's
Rhapsody in Blue and American in Paris also made it later on, as did
the Fantasia soundtrack and a couple of Pavarotti recitals - and, of
course... well, Pav was on that one, too.

Borderline: Claude Bolling's Suite for Flute and Jazz Piano, with
Rampal.

If you type in Caruso, you get the soundtrack for "The Great Caruso",
with Mario Lanza, which went gold in the '60s.

Which leads to another issue: I believe that RIAA certifies for
*shipments*, rather than actual sales. With classical, which is
typically low-volume, this usually isn't much of an issue. But
RIAA awarded six Golds in one day to an outfit called Classical
Heritage, for those multi-disc sets of excerpts (except for a
Beethoven symphony set), done by the usual Eastern European
suspects. How many of these were actually sold, who knows?

Here's the database:

http://www.riaa.com/goldandplatinumdata.php?content_selector=gold-
platinum-searchable-database

or: http://tinyurl.com/6xv49yb

William Sommerwerck

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Mar 9, 2013, 8:50:00 AM3/9/13
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Wasn't "Switched-On Bach" a gold album?

Sol L. Siegel

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"William Sommerwerck" <grizzle...@comcast.net> wrote in news:khfejg$ojn
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> Wasn't "Switched-On Bach" a gold album?

*That's* the one I couldn't remember! Thanks!

Alan Dawes

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Mar 10, 2013, 5:50:04 AM3/10/13
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In article <w7-dnZ_BG8T9eaXM...@supernews.com>,
For what it is worth, Howard Goodall in the recent BBC TV series Story of
Music said that in 1907 Caruso's "Vesti la giubba" became the first record
to sell a million copies (I assume worldwide it was later that it had
achieved over a million in USA). Later when discussing Gershwin he said
the Gershwin's own recording of Rhapsody in Blue sold a million copies in
1927 (I assume that this would be mainly in the USA).

Alan

Alan Cooper

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Alan Dawes <alan....@argonet.co.uk> wrote in
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I thought the first million-seller was Alma Gluck's recording of "Carry
Me Back to Old Virginny" (rec. 1914, released 1915). Not so?

AC

Alan Dawes

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In article <XnsA17F92357547Eam...@209.197.15.254>,
I've no idea - was that the first million seller in the USA? All the
sources that I can find including The Guiness Book of Records give the
Carusso "Vesti" recording as the first million seller recording by some
years.

NB Some refences only include recordings of a particular type eg country
and western, pop, singles ie 7in records or only refer to a particular
"chart" which only go back 60 or so years not from the start of recording
or country.

Matthew B. Tepper

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Alan Dawes <alan....@argonet.co.uk> appears to have caused the following
letters to be typed in news:532ab815e4...@argonet.co.uk:

> NB Some refences only include recordings of a particular type eg country
> and western, pop, singles ie 7in records or only refer to a particular
> "chart" which only go back 60 or so years not from the start of recording
> or country.

CF Rolling Stone, which occasionally publishes lists of the best this or the
best that "of All Time," when it is evident from examination of the list
that, while Bishop Ussher believed that time began in 4004 BC, they believe
that it did so in 1948 AD.
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