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Weissenberg Debussy CD on Sony/BMG

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td

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May 3, 2013, 7:48:06 PM5/3/13
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Just found this CD in Toronto.

Looks every bit what we wanted.

BUT, do the good people at Sony realize that they have put a full page photo of, wait for it, Raymond Lewenthal!!!, inside the booklet?
Ironic, as AW couldn't ever be mistaken for RL at tge piano. Or in a photo. Too much hair.

TD

Oscar

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May 3, 2013, 7:53:10 PM5/3/13
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Link?

td

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May 3, 2013, 8:15:57 PM5/3/13
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Hmmmm. Link to the Toronto HMV outlet? LOL

Well, here's one to Amazon in France. I paid $10., though, not 12 Euros.

http://www.amazon.fr/Weissenberg-Plays-Debussy-Alexis/dp/B00BP18RD0/ref=sr_1_4?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1367626475&sr=1-4&keywords=Weissenberg+debussy

TD

Oscar

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May 3, 2013, 8:26:31 PM5/3/13
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On May 3, 5:15 pm, td wrote:
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> Hmmmm. Link to the Toronto HMV outlet? LOL

Did you nosh with Jacob Harnoy after your visit? He issued a Sigi 2CD
last year, including Weissenberg's debut LP of Prokofiev and Scriabin
[Columbia ML 2099] http://tiny.cc/j59iww

BACH-LISZT: Prelude & Fugue in A minor, BWV 543
HAYDN: Sonata in Eb major, Hob XVI:52
PADRE SOLER: 3 Sonatas
CZERNY: La Ricordenza Variations on a Theme by Rode, Op. 33
PROKOFIEV: Sonata No. 3 in A minor, Op. 28
Suggestion Diabolique, Op. 4 No. 4
SCRIABIN: Etude No. 11 in Bb minor, Op. 8
Nocturne for the Left Hand, Op. 9 No. 2
LISZT: Funérailles
Années de Pèlerinage (Deuxième Année):
- No. 6: Sonetto del Petrarca No. 123
- No. 5: Sonetto del Petrarca No. 104
Valse-Impromptu
Sonata in B minor

Recorded 1949 - 1955

Mandryka

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May 4, 2013, 2:11:16 AM5/4/13
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Just let me check before I order. These are different oerformances
than the ines on DG?

Mandryka

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May 4, 2013, 2:44:47 AM5/4/13
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The Liszt sonnet 126 is very good on that CD, and the Soler too. Such
a shame that the third Petrarchan sonnet remains unavailable.

SPAM- @xs4all.nl HvT

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May 4, 2013, 5:31:47 AM5/4/13
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Mandryka wrote:
> On May 4, 1:26 am, Oscar <oscaredwardwilliam...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On May 3, 5:15 pm, td wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hmmmm. Link to the Toronto HMV outlet? LOL
>>
>> Did you nosh with Jacob Harnoy after your visit? He issued a Sigi 2CD
>> last year, including Weissenberg's debut LP of Prokofiev and Scriabin
>> [Columbia ML 2099]http://tiny.cc/j59iww
>>
>> BACH-LISZT: Prelude & Fugue in A minor, BWV 543
>> HAYDN: Sonata in Eb major, Hob XVI:52
>> PADRE SOLER: 3 Sonatas
>> CZERNY: La Ricordenza Variations on a Theme by Rode, Op. 33
>> PROKOFIEV: Sonata No. 3 in A minor, Op. 28
>> Suggestion Diabolique, Op. 4 No. 4
>> SCRIABIN: Etude No. 11 in Bb minor, Op. 8
>> Nocturne for the Left Hand, Op. 9 No. 2
>> LISZT: Fun�railles
>> Ann�es de P�lerinage (Deuxi�me Ann�e):
>> - No. 6: Sonetto del Petrarca No. 123
>> - No. 5: Sonetto del Petrarca No. 104
>> Valse-Impromptu
>> Sonata in B minor
>>
>> Recorded 1949 - 1955
>
> The Liszt sonnet 126 is very good on that CD, and the Soler too. Such
> a shame that the third Petrarchan sonnet remains unavailable.

Each one of these performances is among Weissenberg's best. What a
musician - and pianist!

Henk


Miguel Montfort

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May 4, 2013, 9:19:07 AM5/4/13
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Mandryka wrote:

> The Liszt sonnet 126 is very good on that CD, and the Soler too.

#123, I presume?

> Such a shame that the third Petrarchan sonnet remains unavailable.

That�s EMI and their �Champagne Pianist� project for you �
Why bother to release s �complete recordings� set when
you�re A&R/marketing guys come up with a title that glamorous?

Miguel Montfort


td

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May 4, 2013, 3:15:15 PM5/4/13
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Well, Miguel, it has to be said that EMI does not OWN the Columbia/Sony repertoire, or the repertoire contained on those long lost French monaural LPs either. They have certainly reissued most if not all of AW's recordings on CD at one time or another.

TD

td

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May 4, 2013, 3:16:28 PM5/4/13
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Why would I "nosh" with Jacob Harnoy? To ask him what his daughter's up to, perhaps?

TD

Miguel Montfort

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May 4, 2013, 3:47:53 PM5/4/13
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td wrote:

> Well, Miguel, it has to be said that EMI does not OWN
> the Columbia/Sony repertoire, or the repertoire contained
> on those long lost French monaural LPs either.

Tom, you�re absolutely right, of course. I was referring to
the �third Petrarchan sonnet� Mandryka mentioned (Sonetto 47
del Petrarca S161/4) which still awaits an appearance on CD.

> They havecertainly reissued most if not all of AW's recordings
> on CD at one time or another.

And that�s exactly why EMI (France) could have issued a
�Weissenberg � Ses Enregistrements Studio, 1964-1984�.
I�m still waiting for the aforementioned sonnet, three
Beethoven sonatas (#8, 14 & 23), three Haydn sonatas
(Hob.XVI: 20, 37 & 52), Schumann�s Carnaval and �tudes
symphoniques, and 15 Lieder by Strauss (w/ Caball�).

Miguel Montfort (rather patient)

John Wiser

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May 4, 2013, 4:29:39 PM5/4/13
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"td" <tomde...@mac.com> wrote in message
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> Why would I "nosh" with Jacob Harnoy? To ask him what his daughter's up to, perhaps?
>

You mean, above and beyond playing the cello badly?

jdw

td

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May 4, 2013, 4:31:44 PM5/4/13
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On May 4, 3:47 pm, Miguel Montfort <op...@web.de> wrote:
> td wrote:
> > Well, Miguel, it has to be said that EMI does not OWN
> > the Columbia/Sony repertoire, or the repertoire contained
> > on those long lost French monaural LPs either.
>
> Tom, you re absolutely right, of course. I was referring to
> the third Petrarchan sonnet Mandryka mentioned (Sonetto 47
> del Petrarca S161/4) which still awaits an appearance on CD.
>
> > They havecertainly reissued most if not all of AW's recordings
> > on  CD at one time or another.
>
> And that s exactly why EMI (France) could have issued a
> Weissenberg Ses Enregistrements Studio, 1964-1984 .
> I m still waiting for the aforementioned sonnet, three
> Beethoven sonatas (#8, 14 & 23), three Haydn sonatas
> (Hob.XVI: 20, 37 & 52), Schumann s Carnaval and tudes
> symphoniques, and 15 Lieder by Strauss (w/ Caball ).
>
> Miguel Montfort (rather patient)

You will have to be.

The reissue programme at EMI France will likely lose soon the only
individual who knows or cares about any of these recordings. It will
be taken over by Warner, who may sell it to Naxos, who already have
too much stuff to sell as it is.

I must say, Miguel, as one who owns so very many Lps, it is not
crucial that all of them appear on CD. Nor, I think, is it absolutely
necessary for all books to be available at all times to all people.

Time moves on.

Frankly I would rather see Sony concentrate on John Ogdon for a minute
or two. There are a few things there which could benefit from a second
life. Not everything, but a few.

We have to be reasonable as well as patient, Miguel.

TD

Miguel Montfort

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May 4, 2013, 5:43:08 PM5/4/13
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td wrote:

> Frankly I would rather see Sony concentrate on John Ogdon
> for a minute or two. There are a few things there which
> could benefit from a second life. Not everything, but a few.

Very true, his Nielsen (LSC-3002) and Beethoven (LSC-3123)
are prime suspects. Not so sure about the Yardumian
(LSC-3243), though …

> We have to be reasonable as well as patient, Miguel.

Yes, indeed.

Miguel Montfort

Oscar

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May 4, 2013, 8:12:53 PM5/4/13
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On May 4, 1:29 pm, John Wiser wrote:
>
> > Why would I "nosh" with Jacob Harnoy? To ask him what his daughter's up to, perhaps?
>
> You mean, above and beyond playing the cello badly?

So mean!

John Wiser

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May 4, 2013, 8:58:45 PM5/4/13
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"Oscar" <oscaredwar...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Have a care, laddie,
I've got you in the crosshairs.

jdw

Oscar

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May 4, 2013, 10:19:21 PM5/4/13
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On May 4, 5:58 pm, John Wiser wrote:
>
> >> You mean, above and beyond playing the cello badly?
>
> > So mean!
>
> Have a care, laddie,
> I've got you in the crosshairs.

The nerve to say such a thing, Mr. Wiser, and as the NRA holds its
National Convention. Pshaw!!

Over Ofra Harnoy?! Isn't she 'the woman who looks like Pia Zadora, but
with a cello where Meshulam Riklis used to be?' http://tiny.cc/0y9kww
<tut tut>

John Wiser

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May 4, 2013, 10:35:15 PM5/4/13
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"Oscar" <oscaredwar...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On May 4, 5:58 pm, John Wiser wrote:
>
>> >> You mean, above and beyond playing the cello badly?
>
> >> So mean!
>
>> Have a care, laddie,
>> I've got you in the crosshairs.

> The nerve to say such a thing, Mr. Wiser, and as the NRA holds its
> National Convention. Pshaw!!

...wuz speaking figuratively
as you are surely well aware...

> Over Ofra Harnoy?! Isn't she 'the woman who looks like Pia Zadora, but
> with a cello where Meshulam Riklis used to be?' http://tiny.cc/0y9kww
><tut tut>

They resemble each other only
in the possession
of standard gender characteristics

JDW




Oscar

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May 5, 2013, 2:24:59 AM5/5/13
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On May 4, 7:35 pm, John Wiser wrote:
>
> > The nerve to say such a thing, Mr. Wiser, and as the NRA holds its
> > National Convention. Pshaw!!
>
> ...wuz speaking figuratively
> as you are surely well aware...

Like this? http://tiny.cc/icllww

Steve de Mena

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May 5, 2013, 3:11:58 AM5/5/13
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yes

Steve de Mena

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May 5, 2013, 3:13:25 AM5/5/13
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On 5/3/13 4:53 PM, Oscar wrote:
> Link?
>

Amazon.com: Weissenberg Plays Debussy: Alexis Weissenberg: Music

http://amzn.to/11L28um

Steve

Tom D.E. Deacon

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May 5, 2013, 8:11:48 AM5/5/13
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On May 4, 5:43 pm, Miguel Montfort <op...@web.de> wrote:
> td wrote:
> > Frankly I would rather see Sony concentrate on John Ogdon
> > for a minute or two. There are a few things there which
> > could benefit from a second life. Not everything, but a few.
>
> Very true, his Nielsen (LSC-3002) and Beethoven (LSC-3123)
> are prime suspects. Not so sure about the Yardumian
> (LSC-3243), though...

Glaring omission? The two Rachmaninoff Sonatas.


TD


Tom D.E. Deacon

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May 5, 2013, 8:13:31 AM5/5/13
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Amazing when a grown adult needs to be fed information.

TD

Kip Williams

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May 5, 2013, 9:19:15 AM5/5/13
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John Wiser wrote, On 5/4/13 10:35 PM:
> "Oscar" <oscaredwar...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:04213162-f7fb-49b5...@tz3g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...

>> Over Ofra Harnoy?! Isn't she 'the woman who looks like Pia Zadora, but
>> with a cello where Meshulam Riklis used to be?' http://tiny.cc/0y9kww
>> <tut tut>
>
> They resemble each other only
> in the possession
> of standard gender characteristics

It's a mere urban legend, alas, but the tale of Pia Zadora's star turn
as Ann Frank is still worth relating: Zadora's performance was so moving
that when the actors playing Nazis burst into the house, audience
members stood up and yelled "She's in the attic! She's in the attic!"

(She's still alive, right? Some rich person should hire a hall and
arrange for this story to be made true. I mean, what's the point of the
accretion of vast wealth if not to make such things possible?)


Kip W

Kip Williams

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May 5, 2013, 9:20:32 AM5/5/13
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John Wiser wrote, On 5/4/13 10:35 PM:
> "Oscar" <oscaredwar...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:04213162-f7fb-49b5...@tz3g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...

>> Over Ofra Harnoy?! Isn't she 'the woman who looks like Pia Zadora, but
>> with a cello where Meshulam Riklis used to be?' http://tiny.cc/0y9kww
>> <tut tut>
>
> They resemble each other only
> in the possession
> of standard gender characteristics

Kip Williams

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May 5, 2013, 9:20:58 AM5/5/13
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John Wiser wrote, On 5/4/13 10:35 PM:
> "Oscar" <oscaredwar...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:04213162-f7fb-49b5...@tz3g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...

>> Over Ofra Harnoy?! Isn't she 'the woman who looks like Pia Zadora, but
>> with a cello where Meshulam Riklis used to be?' http://tiny.cc/0y9kww
>> <tut tut>
>
> They resemble each other only
> in the possession
> of standard gender characteristics

Miguel Montfort

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May 5, 2013, 9:28:31 AM5/5/13
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Tom Deacon wrote:

> Glaring omission? The two Rachmaninoff Sonatas.

Steve Haufe (Dufus) already pointed that out to
me. I probably forgot to mention them because
no. 2 had made an appearance on CD before … –
GPE Vol. 72, if memory serves me right.

Miguel Montfort

td

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May 5, 2013, 5:39:51 PM5/5/13
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Yes. Pity I didn't request a DAT tape of both sonatas before selecting No. 2.

TD

amco...@optonline.net

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May 22, 2013, 10:44:39 AM5/22/13
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Indeed! Now at least partially rectified by this transfer from British RCA SB 6793: http://panovnik.blogspot.com/2013/05/john-ogdon-rachmaninov-piano-sonatas.html. Listening to the superb performance of #1 as I write, and the transfer is OK, not great. I don't think anyone has made a better case for this overblown work.

No substitute for an official release, of course, but who knows if/when we'll ever see one.

AC
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