DG Originals - New Crop - 12/2009
Randy Lane
planned fro 12/22/2009.
I'm particularly interested in the Brahms Liebeslieder Walzer item. I
always thought Vokal Ensembles volume of DG's Brahms Edition was the
best part of that endeavour, so I'm happy to see it arriving in a
quality remastering (assuming the reissue is of such quality that is).
I'll likely get Kubelik's Schumann too.
I haven't ever heard JEGs Brahms Requiem. I have way too many
recordings of the work currently, but none from a HIP perspective. Is
it a good one?
Lenny's Mahler 9th is a good one, but I don't know that I'd shell out
$ for it separately (have the cheapo 3 box set).
Speaking of Lenny, I'm surprised we haven't seen DG release a new
package of his famous 1989 LVB 9th that celebrated the tearing down of
the Berlin wall. The Germans are have a grand party this weekend for
the 20th anniversary of that event. I would think Universal would
capitalize on that event.
M forever
Funny that they release that Mahler 9 with Bernstein as an "Original"
- unlike the other titles, that was never available as an LP back when
the recording was made - by the radio station RIAS, not DG. IIRC, DG
only acquired and released that recording in the 90s on CD.
wkasimer
> I'll likely get Kubelik's Schumann too.
So will I, but only if it sounds better than the previous issue -
which I doubt it will.
> I haven't ever heard JEGs Brahms Requiem. I have way too many
> recordings of the work currently, but none from a HIP perspective. Is
> it a good one?
Good, not great. It is very well executed and has no glaring
weaknesses, but it also has nothing particularly memorable. If you
want an HIP Brahms Requiem, try Norrington or Herreweghe.
> Lenny's Mahler 9th is a good one, but I don't know that I'd shell out
> $ for it separately (have the cheapo 3 box set).
It's not the same 9th that's on the set, is it?
Bill
Randy Lane
It looks like it is not the same, no.
Recording date is October 1979. The one in the box is 1985. And this
is BPO, the box ACO.
Good catch. I assumed it was the same.
Randy Lane
>
> - Show quoted text -
It is this one:
http://www.amazon.com/Mahler-Symphony-No-9-Gustav/dp/B000001GFX
Simon Roberts
Randy Lane says...
>
>Found a page on Tower/Japan listing some new DG Originals releases
>planned fro 12/22/2009.
>
>http://tinyurl.com/yhycuda
>
>I'm particularly interested in the Brahms Liebeslieder Walzer item. I
>always thought Vokal Ensembles volume of DG's Brahms Edition was the
>best part of that endeavour, so I'm happy to see it arriving in a
>quality remastering (assuming the reissue is of such quality that is).
>
>I'll likely get Kubelik's Schumann too.
>
>I haven't ever heard JEGs Brahms Requiem. I have way too many
>recordings of the work currently, but none from a HIP perspective. Is
>it a good one?
If you like Gardiner's choral recordings, chances are you'll like this too. I'm
not wild about it - there's a dry, cool, aloof air about many of his choral
recordings I don't much care for, and it's interpretively rather conservative;
Norrington and Herreweghe strike me as providing more musical interest in terms
of such matters as phrasing, balances, instrumental colour, etc. Anyway, it
should be easy enough to sample online.
>Lenny's Mahler 9th is a good one, but I don't know that I'd shell out
>$ for it separately (have the cheapo 3 box set).
Given that so many Originals "remasterings" sound either exactly the same as the
initial releases or, if not, merely louder, I would suggest you hold off until
someone reliable compares them - unless you prefer the Originals packaging for
some reason....
>Speaking of Lenny, I'm surprised we haven't seen DG release a new
>package of his famous 1989 LVB 9th that celebrated the tearing down of
>the Berlin wall. The Germans are have a grand party this weekend for
>the 20th anniversary of that event. I would think Universal would
>capitalize on that event.
Maybe, but Medici Arts just rereleased it on DVD, which is probably the best way
to experience it anyway.
Simon
Sol L. Siegel
60adac...@x25g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
> Found a page on Tower/Japan listing some new DG Originals releases
> planned fro 12/22/2009.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/yhycuda
Nothing here that shakes my tree, though I've enjoyed the Goebels/Koln
French disc for over 20 years. (It's one of the oldest in my collection.)
--
- Sol L. Siegel, Philadelphia, PA USA
Johannes Roehl
This is about the only one that piques my interest, too. I don't know
how much of its content was available in other compilations.
What they should have re-released is MAK's 3-disc-set "German Chamber
Music before Bach" (Buxtehude, Biber, Westhoff, Rosenmï¿œller, etc.). I
managed to acquire about 2/3 of these recordings in later incarnations,
but the set itself is hard to find and extremely expensive used.
Johannes
Tony
> In article <20a57fa8-4d64-422d-b52d-60adac648...@x25g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> Randy Lane says...
>
> >Found a page on Tower/Japan listing some new DGOriginalsreleases
> >planned fro 12/22/2009.
>
> >http://tinyurl.com/yhycuda
>> Given that so manyOriginals"remasterings" sound either exactly the same as the
> initial releases or, if not, merely louder, I would suggest you hold off until
> someone reliable compares them - unless you prefer theOriginalspackaging for
> some reason....
But it appears that the new DG Originals release of Lenny's BPO Mahler
9 performance has been squeezed onto a single CD. So that is a
positive development. In fact this may become my top choice for single-
CD Mahler 9s.
Regarding rematersings, it seems that the first few generations of
Originals had remasterings with noticeable--if not always vast--
improvements, but in recent years they are more variable, much like
the Sony Bernstein Century series, which often simply juiced up the
starting volume on releases that had already been remastered in the
Royal Edition series.
Cheers,
Tony
jrsnfld
> I'll likely get Kubelik's Schumann too.
Good choice.
>
> I haven't ever heard JEGs Brahms Requiem. I have way too many
> recordings of the work currently, but none from a HIP perspective. Is
> it a good one?
You should get it if you want a HIP recording--nice clean textures and
superlative chorus--similar strengths to his Missa Solemnis, etc.
Jeggy is very strong in the choral repertoire.
--Jeff
Matthew�B.�Tepper
letters to be typed in
news:20a57fa8-4d64-422d...@x25g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
> Found a page on Tower/Japan listing some new DG Originals releases
> planned fro 12/22/2009.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/yhycuda
>
> I'm particularly interested in the Brahms Liebeslieder Walzer item. I
> always thought Vokal Ensembles volume of DG's Brahms Edition was the
> best part of that endeavour, so I'm happy to see it arriving in a
> quality remastering (assuming the reissue is of such quality that is).
>
> I'll likely get Kubelik's Schumann too.
>
> I haven't ever heard JEGs Brahms Requiem. I have way too many
> recordings of the work currently, but none from a HIP perspective. Is
> it a good one?
>
> Lenny's Mahler 9th is a good one, but I don't know that I'd shell out
> $ for it separately (have the cheapo 3 box set).
So how many of these are re-re-reissues of previous CDs, and how many are
first-time-to-CD?
> Speaking of Lenny, I'm surprised we haven't seen DG release a new
> package of his famous 1989 LVB 9th that celebrated the tearing down of
> the Berlin wall. The Germans are have a grand party this weekend for the
> 20th anniversary of that event. I would think Universal would capitalize
> on that event.
You are presuming that there is anybody at DGG who is capable of planning,
or for that matter of conscious thought. Alas, there is nobody, and most
particularly, not at the top.
--
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Steve de Mena
>
> So how many of these are re-re-reissues of previous CDs, and how many are
> first-time-to-CD?
It's virtually all CD reissues now, nothing new to CD. Best you can
hope for is a decent remastering and original cover art.
>> Speaking of Lenny, I'm surprised we haven't seen DG release a new
>> package of his famous 1989 LVB 9th that celebrated the tearing down of
>> the Berlin wall. The Germans are have a grand party this weekend for the
>> 20th anniversary of that event. I would think Universal would capitalize
>> on that event.
>
> You are presuming that there is anybody at DGG who is capable of planning,
> or for that matter of conscious thought. Alas, there is nobody, and most
> particularly, not at the top.
They put up about a 15 or 20 foot long stretch of the wall here in Los
Angeles a couple of weeks ago. I happened to be walking (on Wilshire,
across from the LA County Art Museum) around 9PM and saw the big crane
they had lifting the pieces and placing them. It is tied into an art
project (the sections have graffiti on them done in Berlin, and
additional graffiti will be added here)
Steve
nm...@optonline.net
> On Nov 7, 6:40 pm, Randy Lane <randy.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > planned fro 12/22/2009.
>
> >http://tinyurl.com/yhycuda
>
> > I'm particularly interested in the Brahms Liebeslieder Walzer item. I
> > best part of that endeavour, so I'm happy to see it arriving in a
> > quality remastering (assuming the reissue is of such quality that is).
>
> > I'll likely get Kubelik's Schumann too.
>
> > I haven't ever heard JEGs Brahms Requiem. I have way too many
> > recordings of the work currently, but none from a HIP perspective. Is
> > it a good one?
>
> > Lenny's Mahler 9th is a good one, but I don't know that I'd shell out
> > $ for it separately (have the cheapo 3 box set).
>
> > package of his famous 1989 LVB 9th that celebrated the tearing down of
> > the 20th anniversary of that event. I would think Universal would
> > capitalize on that event.
>
> - unlike the other titles, that was never available as an LP back when
> the recording was made - by the radio station RIAS, notDG. IIRC,DG
>
"Recording, Berlin (DDR) Schauspielhaus 25/12/1989", is this the same
as "radio station RIAS"?
Matthew�B.�Tepper
letters to be typed in news:A6idnehea58anGXX...@giganews.com:
Interesting, I'll have to take a look at that!
I do own what is claimed to be a little piece of the original Wall. When the
Bernstein "Freiheit" 9th was originally issued in early 1990, the packaging
everywhere was the standard slim jewel box. Except (according to an article
published in Gramophone at the time) in France, where it came in a double box
with room for that Wall chunklet and some additional printed matter about it,
including the omnipresent CoA. When I was in Paris that August, I bought two
of these (one for a friend) at the Virgin Megastore on the Champs-Elys�es.
Andrej Kluge
nm...@optonline.net wrote:
> "Recording, Berlin (DDR) Schauspielhaus 25/12/1989", is this the same
> as "radio station RIAS"?
Berlin Schauspielhaus is the venue.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konzerthaus_Berlin)
Ciao
AK
M forever
No, like Andrej said, the Schauspielhaus - now named Konzerthaus - in
East Berlin is the hall, and I doubt the recording was made by RIAS as
that radio station was in the Western part of the city. It is more
likely that it was made by people already set up there to do
recordings. Of course, the wall was now open, that was what the
concert celebrated, so everything was possible.
jrsnfld
> Randy Lane <randy.l...@gmail.com> appears to have caused the following
> letters to be typed innews:20a57fa8-4d64-422d...@x25g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
> > Found a page on Tower/Japan listing some new DG Originals releases
> > planned fro 12/22/2009.
>
> >http://tinyurl.com/yhycuda
>
> > I'm particularly interested in the Brahms Liebeslieder Walzer item. I
> > always thought Vokal Ensembles volume of DG's Brahms Edition was the
> > best part of that endeavour, so I'm happy to see it arriving in a
> > quality remastering (assuming the reissue is of such quality that is).
>
> > I'll likely get Kubelik's Schumann too.
>
> > I haven't ever heard JEGs Brahms Requiem. I have way too many
> > recordings of the work currently, but none from a HIP perspective. Is
> > it a good one?
>
> > Lenny's Mahler 9th is a good one, but I don't know that I'd shell out
> > $ for it separately (have the cheapo 3 box set).
>
> So how many of these are re-re-reissues of previous CDs, and how many are
> first-time-to-CD?
>
> > Speaking of Lenny, I'm surprised we haven't seen DG release a new
> > package of his famous 1989 LVB 9th that celebrated the tearing down of
> > the Berlin wall. The Germans are have a grand party this weekend for the
> > 20th anniversary of that event. I would think Universal would capitalize
> > on that event.
>
> You are presuming that there is anybody at DGG who is capable of planning,
> or for that matter of conscious thought. Alas, there is nobody, and most
> particularly, not at the top.
That 1989 concert is getting a special re-broadcast today on German
radio.
--Jeff
M forever
That's because today is the 20th anniversary of the opening of the
wall. Incidentally, there are two other very significant events in
German history which also occurred on November 9. Can you guess which
ones are these?
jrsnfld
Just two others?
--Jeff
wagnerfan
news:8fc74108-802f-4f41...@f16g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
Well there are several others but I think you are referring to the Munich
Beer Hall Putsch in 1923 and Kristallnacht in 1938. Wagner Fan
jrsnfld
By the way, for Americans, shouldn't it be noted that Schicksalstag is
also 9.11 by most nomenclatures?
--Jeff
M forever
I forgot that the putsch attempt of 1923 was on November 9, too, so I
actually thought of the Reichskristallnacht and another event.
jrsnfld
The end of the reign of Wilhelm II? or a certain execution in 1848?
--Jeff
Andrej Kluge
M forever wrote:
>> That's because today is the 20th anniversary of the opening of the
>> wall. Incidentally, there are two other very significant events in
>> German history which also occurred on November 9. Can you guess
>> which ones are these?
>>
>> Well there are several others but I think you are referring to the
>> Munich Beer Hall Putsch in 1923 and Kristallnacht in 1938. Wagner
>> Fan
>
> I forgot that the putsch attempt of 1923 was on November 9, too, so
> I actually thought of the Reichskristallnacht and another event.
91th anniversary of the "Novemberrevolution":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Revolution_of_1918-19#9_November_1918:_End_of_monarchy
Ciao
AK
jrsnfld
>
> Ciao
> AK
BTW...also celebrating today with special programming and the
Bernstein Beethoven 9 from Berlin was none other than Radio France
(!). Perhaps they were thinking of the November revolution, too.
--Jeff
Dontait...@aol.com
> > > > On Nov 8, 2:36 pm, "Matthew B. Tepper" <oy�@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > > That's because today is the 20th anniversary of the opening of the
> > > wall. Incidentally, there are two other very significant events in
> > > German history which also occurred on November 9. Can you guess which
> > > ones are these?
>
> > > Well there are several others but I think you are referring to the Munich
> > > Beer Hall Putsch in 1923 and Kristallnacht in 1938. �Wagner Fan
>
> > I forgot that the putsch attempt of 1923 was on November 9, too, so I
> > actually thought of the Reichskristallnacht and another event.
>
> The end of the reign of Wilhelm II? or a certain execution in 1848?
>
> --Jeff
Yes, the abdication of Emperor Wilhelm II.
What was the 1848 execution?
Don Tait
Bob Harper
Yes, the Beer Hall Putsch of 1923 and Kristallnacht in 1938. The event
of 1989 is considerably more worthy of celebration!
Bob Harper
wagnerfan
news:514633e8-108e-4c7c...@p35g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
Don Tait
Robert Blum was executed on Nov. 9 1848 in Wien which effectively ended
efforts to make German speaking countries more democratic by means of the
1848 Revolution. Wagner fan
M forever
You googled! No one knows the 1848 thing.
M forever
>
> Ciao
> AK
Yes, that's what I was thinking of.
Bastian Kubis
>> The end of the reign of Wilhelm II? or a certain execution in 1848?
>>
>> --Jeff
>
> You googled! No one knows the 1848 thing.
Well, "no one"... reading a big German weekly newspaper might be
sufficient. <http://www.zeit.de/2007/45/A-Blum-Folge2> [Although I have
my doubts about Jeff in that respect. Although maybe I shouldn't.]
And then one may still argue about 1799, which maybe was not "an event
of German history", but it turned out to become very important for it
later...
Bastian
Norman Schwartz
Stupid me (hiding in shame) confusing the venue with a recording comany. :-(
jrsnfld
You didn't know about that?
--Jeff
jrsnfld
> M forever wrote:
> >> The end of the reign of Wilhelm II? or a certain execution in 1848?
>
> >> --Jeff
>
> > You googled! No one knows the 1848 thing.
>
> Well, "no one"... reading a big German weekly newspaper might be
> sufficient. <http://www.zeit.de/2007/45/A-Blum-Folge2> [Although I have
> my doubts about Jeff in that respect. Although maybe I shouldn't.]
I wasn't the one who answered the question...Wagnerfan answered the
question. Did Wagnerfan google?
--Jeff (who actually didn't google, but might as well have googled)
M forever
I did, but no that it was on that date.
wagnerfan
"jrsnfld" <jrs...@aol.com> wrote in message
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No Wagner Fan didn;t google - I have read about in a couple Wagner
biographies. Don't recall exactly where but must be in conjunction with
Wagner's activities during 1848. Wagner Fan
RiRiIII
> Sol L. Siegel schrieb:
>
> > Randy Lane <randy.l...@gmail.com> wrote in news:20a57fa8-4d64-422d-b52d-
> > 60adac648...@x25g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
>
> >> Found a page on Tower/Japan listing some new DG Originals releases
> >> planned fro 12/22/2009.
>
> >>http://tinyurl.com/yhycuda
>
> > French disc for over 20 years. (It's one of the oldest in my collection.)
>
> This is about the only one that piques my interest, too. I don't know
> how much of its content was available in other compilations.
> What they should have re-released is MAK's 3-disc-set "German Chamber
> Music before Bach" (Buxtehude, Biber, Westhoff, Rosenmüller, etc.). I
> managed to acquire about 2/3 of these recordings in later incarnations,
> but the set itself is hard to find and extremely expensive used.
>
> Johannes
Johannes
Was this e-disc set released on CD in the past? I have the vinyl but
not the CDs.
Thanks
Alex
Johannes Roehl
> On 8 Nov, 11:09, Johannes Roehl <parrhe...@web.de> wrote:
>> Sol L. Siegel schrieb:
>>
>>> Randy Lane <randy.l...@gmail.com> wrote in news:20a57fa8-4d64-422d-b52d-
>>> 60adac648...@x25g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
>>>> Found a page on Tower/Japan listing some new DG Originals releases
>>>> planned fro 12/22/2009.
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/yhycuda
>>> Nothing here that shakes my tree, though I've enjoyed the Goebels/Koln
>>> French disc for over 20 years. (It's one of the oldest in my collection.)
>> This is about the only one that piques my interest, too. I don't know
>> how much of its content was available in other compilations.
>> What they should have re-released is MAK's 3-disc-set "German Chamber
>> managed to acquire about 2/3 of these recordings in later incarnations,
>> but the set itself is hard to find and extremely expensive used.
> Was this e-disc set released on CD in the past? I have the vinyl but
> not the CDs.
I am not exactly sure. I think I have never seen the physical CD set,
but online offers and I believe that it was issued as a 3-CD-set, not
only as LPs. Here one is asking EUR 600 for the CDs...
I was only able to acquire one disc from the short-lived "Collectio
Argentea" of the Archiv production and another one from a different
Archiv mid-price-line, with some overlap. But I checked the contents of
the big set and I think I am only missing the Biber items now which I
have in excellent interpretations by other artists. (Although from the
quality of the other MAK Biber, these will probably be very good as well).
Even for the single discs mentioned rather high prices are asked (I
didn't pay as much):
http://tinyurl.com/y9r3qf3
http://tinyurl.com/ybg7swl
Johannes
RiRiIII
> RiRiIII schrieb:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 8 Nov, 11:09, Johannes Roehl <parrhe...@web.de> wrote:
> >> Sol L. Siegel schrieb:
>
> >>> Randy Lane <randy.l...@gmail.com> wrote in news:20a57fa8-4d64-422d-b52d-
> >>> 60adac648...@x25g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
> >>>> Found a page on Tower/Japan listing some new DG Originals releases
> >>>> planned fro 12/22/2009.
> >>>>http://tinyurl.com/yhycuda
> >>> Nothing here that shakes my tree, though I've enjoyed the Goebels/Koln
> >>> French disc for over 20 years. (It's one of the oldest in my collection.)
> >> This is about the only one that piques my interest, too. I don't know
> >> how much of its content was available in other compilations.
> >> What they should have re-released is MAK's 3-disc-set "German Chamber
> >> managed to acquire about 2/3 of these recordings in later incarnations,
> >> but the set itself is hard to find and extremely expensive used.
> > Was this e-disc set released on CD in the past? I have the vinyl but
> > not the CDs.
>
> I am not exactly sure. I think I have never seen the physical CD set,
> but online offers and I believe that it was issued as a 3-CD-set, not
> only as LPs. Here one is asking EUR 600 for the CDs...
>
> http://tinyurl.com/ybz3t3j
>
> I was only able to acquire one disc from the short-lived "Collectio
> Argentea" of the Archiv production and another one from a different
> Archiv mid-price-line, with some overlap. But I checked the contents of
> the big set and I think I am only missing the Biber items now which I
> have in excellent interpretations by other artists. (Although from the
> quality of the other MAK Biber, these will probably be very good as well).
>
> Even for the single discs mentioned rather high prices are asked (I
> didn't pay as much):
>
> http://tinyurl.com/y9r3qf3http://tinyurl.com/ybg7swl
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Many thanks for all this info!!!
Goebel and the MAK were great and it is a shame they no longer
perform.
Alex