Hatto waltzes and other identifications
MrT
to Hattophiles (!):
Here are a few more Hatto identifications, including the Chopin
Waltzes CD
that generated a lot of interest and queries about who the actual
performer
is. The first 18 of the Hatto Chopin Waltzes are actually played by
Arthur
Moreira-Lima on Pro Arte 177. The final two Waltzes on the CD are
taken
from the Selene CD by Jerzy Sterczynski. I did not try to identify the
Ecossaises. Since the Hatto Waltzes were released in 2004 there is no
time
stretching on any of the tracks (it seems that Barrington-Coupe
discovered
the time stretching technique later) Something bizarre happens in the
E
Minor op. posth Waltz, however. The opening 8 measure flourish is not
played by Moreira-Lima (or Sterczynski for that matter) but from bar 9
on
it is the Moreira-Lima recording. I have no idea who plays the opening
8
measures. Why he chopped in another recording just for that opening
flourish is beyond me.
I looked at a few more tracks on Hatto Anthology of Concert Encores
volume
2 CD. The Paderewski Minuet in G is played by Balozs Szokolay from
Naxos
Romantic Piano Favourites volume 3. The Sinding Rustle of Spring is
played
by Peter Nagy from Naxos Romantic Piano Favourites volume 4. The
Balakirev
Islamey is played by Michele Campanella on Nuova Era. Also on the
Campanella disc is Pictures at an Exhibition, which I suspected was
the
Hatto source and this has now been confirmed by Christopher Howell.
That
leaves only the Haydn Fantasia and Schubert Waltzes Nobles (she plays
Op.
77 Nos. 8-12) unidentified on that CD, but those pieces don't interest
me
all that much so I probably won't spend time on them.
Finally, one more bizarre finding. Hatto's Beethoven volume 6 seems to
exist in different versions. On one copy all three movements of the
Waldstein Sonata are played by John O'Conor. On another copy the first
two
movements are played by John O'Conor, but the finale begins with a
different pianist. The finale then switches to the John O'Conor
recording
after the first episode, but then somewhere before the end of the
movement
it switches again and is no longer the O'Conor recording. This
observation
is based on a quick comparison against O'Conor and I can't say at this
point exactly where the Hatto recording switches back and forth
between
different pianists, but clearly there is some crazy stuff going on
there.
Farhan
Alan Cooper
news:1182621262.0...@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com:
> This was posted today at Pianophiles. I think it will be of
> interest to Hattophiles (!):
>
> Here are a few more Hatto identifications, including the Chopin
> Waltzes CD
> that generated a lot of interest and queries about who the
> actual performer
> is. The first 18 of the Hatto Chopin Waltzes are actually played
> by Arthur
> Moreira-Lima on Pro Arte 177. The final two Waltzes on the CD
> are taken
> from the Selene CD by Jerzy Sterczynski.
Many, many thanks, Mario (and of course thanks to Farhan, too). These are
excellent performances, and whet my appetite to revisit Moreira-Lima's Chopin. If
only that were easy to do :-( I did find one used LP copy of the Pro Arte issue
for sale on the web, but otherwise there are only a couple of expensive Chopin
miscellanies on some Brazilian label. Didn't he record all the major works back
in the '70s?
A reminder to anyone who is interested that the "Hatto" Waltzes are still
downloadable from http://www.mydatabus.com/public/amcooper/HattoChopinWaltzes.zip
If the genuine Moreira-Lima should be made available, I will delete that file from
the server.
The Sterczynski Waltzes are listed here:
http://www.members.aol.com/seleneusa/list_00.htm . Has anyone ordered from this
source?
AC
MrT
did the work detailed in the Pianophiles article I posted. Actually, I
had forgotten about this pianist, who recorded a wonderful disk of
Brazilian waltzes in the late eighties. This used to be a favorite
recording of mine, though I confess I've lost track of it. I had also
forgotten his Chopin recordings. He is an excellent pianist with a
really good piano tone.
My guess, abandoned because I could not find the suspected source, was
Istvan Szekely on Amadis. I have not been able to find any information
about this pianist, be it concerts he has given, where he teaches,
etc. He appears on a few recordings and that's it. Another Caspar da
Salo? I don't know.
Best,
mrt
yenda smejkal
"MrT" <symbi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1182626932....@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
It is brilliant that people are still working out the sorces of these
recordings...i am never satisfied if i dont know who is playing!" i had been
wondering about Islamey more than any other recording so now i know,..many
thanks and keep up the good work!!
alanwa...@aol.com
> My guess, abandoned because I could not find the suspected source, was
> Istvan Szekely on Amadis. I have not been able to find any information
> about this pianist, be it concerts he has given, where he teaches,
> etc. He appears on a few recordings and that's it. Another Caspar da
> Salo? I don't know.
>
> Best,
>
> mrt
LOL. Szekely a famous player and arranger.
May I assume you are an American who doesn't get out much?
Kind regards,
Alan M. Watkins
MrT
wrote:
> LOL. Szekely a famous player and arranger.
>
> May I assume you are an American who doesn't get out much?
>
> Kind regards,
> Alan M. Watkins
No, let´s assume you are a total fraud.
Best,
mrt
Simon Roberts
says...
>Many, many thanks, Mario (and of course thanks to Farhan, too). These are
>excellent performances, and whet my appetite to revisit Moreira-Lima's Chopin.
>If
>only that were easy to do :-( I did find one used LP copy of the Pro Arte issue
>for sale on the web, but otherwise there are only a couple of expensive Chopin
>miscellanies on some Brazilian label. Didn't he record all the major works back
>in the '70s?
Didn't he and Martins also record a two disc album of Chopin and Bach preludes?
(I'm pretty sure I have it somewhere on Tomato, but can't find it.)
Simon
John Wiser
> LOL. Szekely a famous player and arranger.
>
> May I assume you are an American who doesn't get out much?
A wee tad of googling around
Székely István zongoraművész
will clear this up.
You are woozily thinking of Székely Zoltán.
May I urge you to confine yourself to rmo,
where prevailing community standards
will render you less conspicuous?
sincerely
John Wiser
cee...@gmail.com
ckho...@ckhowell.com
yenda smejkal ha scritto:
i am never satisfied if i dont know who is playing!" i had been
> wondering about Islamey more than any other recording so now i know,..
Actually, I posted this identification over a week ago
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.classical.recordings/browse_thread/thread/b3a74209109ab1ca/726edfeb16669bd3?hl=it
but I think Farhan Malik posted it on Pianophiles before that.
I'm drawing attention to this earlier posting, though, to point out
that Islamey was speeded up by 20 seconds, enough to change the
general "feel" of the performance. Whereas the "Hatto" Mussorgsky
Pictures from the same Campanella CD have not been manipulated in this
way, just the usual messing with the sound picture.
Christopher Howell
MrT
> <alanwatkin...@aol.com> wrote:
> > LOL. Szekely a famous player and arranger.
>
> > May I assume you are an American who doesn't get out much?
>
> A wee tad of googling around
> will clear this up.
> You are woozily thinking of Székely Zoltán.
> May I urge you to confine yourself to rmo,
> where prevailing community standards
> will render you less conspicuous?
>
He once cleaned toilets at Rudolph´s Pub (that is his only connection
to the Rudolfinum). Nobody in Prague has heard of him. Alan, please
explain how you came to write an obituary for Fiorentino in The
Independent. While you are at it, name some member of Fiorentino´s
family who knows you. Please tell us once again how moved you were at
Hatto´s funeral.
Best,
mrt
John Briggs
> On Jun 24, 4:32 am, "John Wiser" <ceec...@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>> <alanwatkin...@aol.com> wrote:
>>> LOL. Szekely a famous player and arranger.
>>
>>> May I assume you are an American who doesn't get out much?
>>
>> A wee tad of googling around
>> will clear this up.
>> You are woozily thinking of Székely Zoltán.
>> May I urge you to confine yourself to rmo,
>> where prevailing community standards
>> will render you less conspicuous?
>>
>
> He once cleaned toilets at Rudolph´s Pub (that is his only connection
> to the Rudolfinum). Nobody in Prague has heard of him. Alan, please
> explain how you came to write an obituary for Fiorentino in The
> Independent. While you are at it, name some member of Fiorentino´s
> family who knows you. Please tell us once again how moved you were at
> Hatto´s funeral.
He just sent in the obituary - that's fairly normal for obituaries: if they
haven't got one, and can't get anyone else to write on e they will print it.
They were probably vaguely aware that there was "another" Alan Watkins, so
there wasn't any reason to query it. He probably hoped to write Joyce
Hatto's obituary.
--
John Briggs
Steve Emerson
Simon Roberts <sd...@comcast.net> wrote:
Released on Labor, possibly Tomato as well --
Also many, many recordings of Brazilian music, including that of
Villa-Lobos and Gnatalli.
SE.
Peter Lemken
> Didn't he and Martins also record a two disc album of Chopin and Bach preludes?
> (I'm pretty sure I have it somewhere on Tomato, but can't find it.)
You remember correctly, I have this set on Tomato.
Peter Lemken
Berlin
--
Nature abhors crude hacks
Rugby
> \
Any luck yet on the Rachmaninoff Op.33 Etudes ? I am still fond of my
Webster theory,although his was an lp.
Andrew Clarke
> My guess, abandoned because I could not find the suspected source, was
> Istvan Szekely on Amadis. I have not been able to find any information
> about this pianist, be it concerts he has given, where he teaches,
> etc. He appears on a few recordings and that's it. Another Caspar da
> Salo? I don't know.
No, he's real all right. There's a fair bit of stuff in Hungarian, and
an English resume of his career on the Naxos website. His early Naxos
recording of the Chopin piano concertos seems to have been warmly
received in some quarters.
That Amadis label has changed names a couple of times in the past: it
started as "Lydian" (how encyclopidian!) and then became "Donau".
Andrew Clarke
Canberra.
MrT
Thanks, Andrew. I was beginning to think that there was a mystery.
Best,
mrt