Reply from Hertforshire Trading Standards
Frank Berger
addressee only." For the moment, I feel sufficiently bound by that (though
I'm not sure why I should be), to not reveal the literal contents. However,
I will say that I have been informed that an investigation is under way. I
was also told that I should have no trouble receiving a refund from weither
Barrington-Coupe or Music Web. This may say something about the "progress"
the investigation has made so far. I responded appropriately.
Matthew B. Tepper
following letters to be typed in news:13et9qr...@news.supernews.com:
> I received a reply that was labeled "confidential and intended for the
> addressee only." For the moment, I feel sufficiently bound by that
> (though I'm not sure why I should be), to not reveal the literal
> contents. However, I will say that I have been informed that an
> investigation is under way. I was also told that I should have no
> trouble receiving a refund from either Barrington-Coupe or Music Web.
> This may say something about the "progress" the investigation has made
> so far. I responded appropriately.
I'll believe it when I see it. But I wonder if the timing had anything to
do with the New Yorker article? Funny thing, that.
Hey, at this point, I'd be happy with getting 1/2 of it in the form of
credit at the Apple Store. ;--)
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Christopher Webber
>But I wonder if the timing had anything to do with the New Yorker
>article?
Hmm. If they are as cynical and incompetent as you've suggested in your
previous posts, Matthew, how likely is it that they'd have even heard of
the New Yorker, let alone read it?
Joking apart, I'd imagine the timing had much more to do Hertfordshire
Trading Standards' work load, which almost certainly precludes poring
over whimsical articles in foreign comics, no matter how well-written.
Just because Hattogate looms so large in RMCR's ambit we shouldn't be
blinded to its status as a one-day wonder in the eyes and ears of the
Larger World.
I'm intrigued, for example, by the fact that in the week after
Pavarotti's death, there were more RMCR posts relating to Hattogate and
allied spats than to the singer who - in the eyes and ears of that
Larger World - embodied what that world thinks of as "classical and
opera".
Having said which, I'm very glad to hear that HTS eventually replied to
Frank's email - and, it would seem, to his partial satisfaction. Things
are clearly progressing, and quite right too.
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http://www.zarzuela.net
Frank Berger
> Having said which, I'm very glad to hear that HTS eventually replied to
> Frank's email - and, it would seem, to his partial satisfaction. Things
> are clearly progressing, and quite right too.
Don't overlook the possibility that the response occurred when it did
*because* I had *just* mentioned in RMCR that I hadn't received one.
Christopher Webber
>Don't overlook the possibility that the response occurred when it did
>*because* I had *just* mentioned in RMCR that I hadn't received one.
Quite - when they're not avidly scouring the New Yorker, HTS are most
certainly statistically quantifying customer satisfaction ratings on
RMCR. These people leave no turn unstoned, as Frank so astutely guesses.
John Wiser
Frank Berger writes:
> >Don't overlook the possibility that the response occurred when it did
> >*because* I had *just* mentioned in RMCR that I hadn't received one.
>
> Quite - when they're not avidly scouring the New Yorker, HTS are most
> certainly statistically quantifying customer satisfaction ratings on
> RMCR. These people leave no turn unstoned, as Frank so astutely guesses.
Well, by jing! what you don't learn here! I always thought that RMCR was a bit of a
fleafuck. Now you tell me that busy people who theoretically couldn't care less about the
main topic in fact follow it closely. What's their motive and impulse? Cultural
enrichment?
totally stonkered in Howells
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cee...@gmail.com
Matthew B. Tepper
the following letters to be typed in news:KdoDNiCP...@217.169.1.80:
> Frank Berger <frank.d...@dal.frb.org> writes:
>> Don't overlook the possibility that the response occurred when it did
>> *because* I had *just* mentioned in RMCR that I hadn't received one.
>
> Quite - when they're not avidly scouring the New Yorker, HTS are most
> certainly statistically quantifying customer satisfaction ratings on
> RMCR. These people leave no turn unstoned, as Frank so astutely guesses.
It's not necessarily that HTS read the New Yorker. Perhaps their borough's
MP does. Or perhaps, the PM himself. You never know.
Frank Berger
"Christopher Webber" <zarz...@zarzuela.net.invalid> wrote in message
news:KdoDNiCP...@217.169.1.80...
> Frank Berger <frank.d...@dal.frb.org> writes:
>>Don't overlook the possibility that the response occurred when it did
>>*because* I had *just* mentioned in RMCR that I hadn't received one.
>
> Quite - when they're not avidly scouring the New Yorker, HTS are most
> certainly statistically quantifying customer satisfaction ratings on RMCR.
> These people leave no turn unstoned, as Frank so astutely guesses.
> --
You sarcasm seems misplaced to me. If I were investigating this crime and
had become aware of RMCR (from me, for example), I would indeed scour it for
information about the case, and in particular, for witnesses against B-C.
Frank Berger
"John Wiser" <cee...@frontiernet.net> wrote in message
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Matthew B. Tepper
> "Christopher Webber" <zarz...@zarzuela.net.invalid> wrote in message
> news:KdoDNiCP...@217.169.1.80...
>> Frank Berger <frank.d...@dal.frb.org> writes:
>>>Don't overlook the possibility that the response occurred when it did
>>>*because* I had *just* mentioned in RMCR that I hadn't received one.
>>
>> Quite - when they're not avidly scouring the New Yorker, HTS are most
>> certainly statistically quantifying customer satisfaction ratings on RMCR.
>> These people leave no turn unstoned, as Frank so astutely guesses.
>
> You sarcasm seems misplaced to me. If I were investigating this crime and
> had become aware of RMCR (from me, for example), I would indeed scour it
> for information about the case, and in particular, for witnesses against
> B-C.
But Frank, and I don't know how else to put this, that's because you actually
happen to have some brains in your head.
Frank Berger
"Matthew B. Tepper" <oy兀earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:Xns99AECCE9929...@216.168.3.70...
> "Frank Berger" <frank.d...@dal.frb.org> appears to have caused the
> following letters to be typed in news:13eucq5...@news.supernews.com:
>
>> "Christopher Webber" <zarz...@zarzuela.net.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:KdoDNiCP...@217.169.1.80...
>>> Frank Berger <frank.d...@dal.frb.org> writes:
>>>>Don't overlook the possibility that the response occurred when it did
>>>>*because* I had *just* mentioned in RMCR that I hadn't received one.
>>>
>>> Quite - when they're not avidly scouring the New Yorker, HTS are most
>>> certainly statistically quantifying customer satisfaction ratings on
>>> RMCR.
>>> These people leave no turn unstoned, as Frank so astutely guesses.
>>
>> You sarcasm seems misplaced to me. If I were investigating this crime
>> and
>> had become aware of RMCR (from me, for example), I would indeed scour it
>> for information about the case, and in particular, for witnesses against
>> B-C.
>
> But Frank, and I don't know how else to put this, that's because you
> actually
> happen to have some brains in your head.
>
I'll give HTS the benefit of the doubt.
Matthew B. Tepper
Let me know if you actually get spendable money out of it. They could, of
course, mail you a cheque, the cashing of which in the US would entail fees
more than the amount of the cheque.
Christopher Webber
>borough's MP does. Or perhaps, the PM himself. You never know.
There are 11 Hertfordshire Boroughs, 9 of which are held by the
Conservative Party, 2 by the governing Labour Party. Royston is in the
North East Herts constituency, which has Oliver Heald (con.) as its
sitting MP. Why not satisfy your curiosity by writing to ask him about
his light reading habits? A mail to "hea...@parliament.uk" will reach
him or his assistant at least.
As for Mr Gordon Brown, I should think it's Lombard Street to a China
Orange that he's on the case; but to the best of my knowledge he keeps
this private obsession with Hattogate under an iron-tight security
blanket. Imagine the scandal if it got out that he was less interested
in Northern Rock than in Concert Artists.
sorabji...@lineone.net
> "Christopher Webber" <zarzu...@zarzuela.net.invalid> wrote in message
>
> news:KdoDNiCP...@217.169.1.80...
>
> > Frank Berger <frank.d.ber...@dal.frb.org> writes:
> >>Don't overlook the possibility that the response occurred when it did
> >>*because* I had *just* mentioned in RMCR that I hadn't received one.
>
> > Quite - when they're not avidly scouring the New Yorker, HTS are most
> > certainly statistically quantifying customer satisfaction ratings on RMCR.
> > These people leave no turn unstoned, as Frank so astutely guesses.
> > --
>
> You sarcasm seems misplaced to me. If I were investigating this crime and
> had become aware of RMCR (from me, for example), I would indeed scour it for
> information about the case, and in particular, for witnesses against B-C.
fact, one very similar to mine when putting the Wiki and the Farhan
Malik site, etc., sources before HTS so that they could scour for
evidence, of which there's a substantial and still growing pile by
now.
I hope that you do get your money back and am at least pleased that
you have at last elicited a written response from HTS, even though it
does not yet enclose a payment.
Best,
Alistair
sorabji...@lineone.net
> "Frank Berger" <frank.d.ber...@dal.frb.org> appears to have caused the> > "Matthew B. Tepper" <oyþ@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> >news:Xns99AECCE9929...@216.168.3.70...
> >> "Frank Berger" <frank.d.ber...@dal.frb.org> appears to have caused the
> >> following letters to be typed innews:13eucq5...@news.supernews.com:
>
> >>> "Christopher Webber" <zarzu...@zarzuela.net.invalid> wrote in message
> >>>news:KdoDNiCP...@217.169.1.80...
> >>>> Frank Berger <frank.d.ber...@dal.frb.org> writes:
> >>>>>Don't overlook the possibility that the response occurred when it did
> >>>>>*because* I had *just* mentioned in RMCR that I hadn't received one.
>
> >>>> Quite - when they're not avidly scouring the New Yorker, HTS are most
> >>>> certainly statistically quantifying customer satisfaction ratings on
> >>>> RMCR. These people leave no turn unstoned, as Frank so astutely
> >>>> guesses.
>
> >>> You sarcasm seems misplaced to me. If I were investigating this crime
> >>> and had become aware of RMCR (from me, for example), I would indeed scour
> >>> it for information about the case, and in particular, for witnesses
> >>> against B-C.
>
> >> But Frank, and I don't know how else to put this, that's because you
> >> actually happen to have some brains in your head.
>
> > I'll give HTS the benefit of the doubt.
>
> Let me know if you actually get spendable money out of it. They could, of
> course, mail you a cheque, the cashing of which in the US would entail fees
> more than the amount of the cheque.
account ought to overcome that very real problem.
Best,
Alistair
sorabji...@lineone.net
wrote:
> Matthew B. Tepper <?...@earthlink.net.invalid> writes:
> >It's not necessarily that HTS read the New Yorker. Perhaps their
> >borough's MP does. Or perhaps, the PM himself. You never know.
>
> There are 11 Hertfordshire Boroughs, 9 of which are held by the
> Conservative Party, 2 by the governing Labour Party. Royston is in the
> North East Herts constituency, which has Oliver Heald (con.) as its
> sitting MP. Why not satisfy your curiosity by writing to ask him about
> his light reading habits? A mail to "hea...@parliament.uk" will reach
> him or his assistant at least.
>
> As for Mr Gordon Brown, I should think it's Lombard Street to a China
> Orange that he's on the case; but to the best of my knowledge he keeps
> this private obsession with Hattogate under an iron-tight security
> blanket. Imagine the scandal if it got out that he was less interested
> in Northern Rock than in Concert Artists.
Bank of England to underwrite everyone's investments in the products
of ConArt.
I suspect that Gordon Brown's interest in records extends nowhere at
all beyond the public's perception of his own.
Best,
Alistair
Frank Berger
<sorabji...@lineone.net> wrote in message
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I wouldn't expect tor receive payment from HTS.
Matthew B. Tepper
><sorabji...@lineone.net> wrote in message
> news:1190135192....@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>> On Sep 18, 3:09 am, "Frank Berger" <frank.d.ber...@dal.frb.org> wrote:
>>> "Christopher Webber" <zarzu...@zarzuela.net.invalid> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:KdoDNiCP...@217.169.1.80...
>>>
>>> > Frank Berger <frank.d.ber...@dal.frb.org> writes:
>>> >>Don't overlook the possibility that the response occurred when it did
>>> >>*because* I had *just* mentioned in RMCR that I hadn't received one.
>>>
>>> > Quite - when they're not avidly scouring the New Yorker, HTS are most
>>> > certainly statistically quantifying customer satisfaction
>>> > ratings on RMCR.
>>> > These people leave no turn unstoned, as Frank so astutely guesses.
>>>
>>> Your sarcasm seems misplaced to me. If I were investigating this crime
>>> and had become aware of RMCR (from me, for example), I would indeed
>>> scour it for information about the case, and in particular, for
>>> witnesses against B-C.
>>
>> I'm not about to comment on the sarcasm, but you do have a point; in
>> fact, one very similar to mine when putting the Wiki and the Farhan
>> Malik site, etc., sources before HTS so that they could scour for
>> evidence, of which there's a substantial and still growing pile by now.
>>
>> I hope that you do get your money back and am at least pleased that
>> you have at last elicited a written response from HTS, even though it
>> does not yet enclose a payment.
>
> I wouldn't expect to receive payment from HTS.
Nor I, but I'm still going to write to HTS. If it helps them to build a
case against WB-C, good. If he is convicted, then very good. If he gets
off, then that's the way the cookie crumbles, and at least he has been
publicly chastized.
And if I should get any portion of my payment returned to me, that would be
what I would consider "found money," in other words, a bonus. While I was
surprised when Apple dropped the price of the iPhone by $200, I shrugged my
shoulders, because after all, that is life in the technology lane. Thus
the $100 Apple credit was also found money, and I've already spent it on a
Bluetooth headset I was planning to buy anyway.
Alan P Dawes
sorabji...@lineone.net <sorabji...@lineone.net> wrote:
> On Sep 18, 6:44 am, "Matthew B. Tepper" <oyş@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > "Frank Berger" <frank.d.ber...@dal.frb.org> appears to have caused the
> > following letters to be typed innews:13eui46...@news.supernews.com:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
I expect we'll find it was all a mistake and he sent out the wrong CDs.
WB-C is probably at this moment putting together the "real" Hatto
recordings suitably obscurred by continuous loud grunts, groans and
screams and will offer to replace all the 'faulty' cds.
Of course this will then lead to many happy hours of newsgroup readers
searching out the recordings of films, TV and radio progs from which said
noises were 'borrowed'.
Alan
--
alan....@argonet.co.uk
alan....@riscos.org
Using an Acorn RiscPC
Matthew B. Tepper
letters to be typed in news:4f24b9e28e...@argonet.co.uk:
> I expect we'll find it was all a mistake and he sent out the wrong CDs.
> WB-C is probably at this moment putting together the "real" Hatto
> recordings suitably obscurred by continuous loud grunts, groans and
> screams and will offer to replace all the 'faulty' cds.
>
> Of course this will then lead to many happy hours of newsgroup readers
> searching out the recordings of films, TV and radio progs from which said
> noises were 'borrowed'.
oink oink flap flap
sorabji...@lineone.net
> <sorabji-arch...@lineone.net> wrote in message
>
> - Show quoted text -
Fair comment - but, as Matthew Tepper points out, if your approach,
along with others, helps a case to be brought, that can only be a good
thing; if it is brought successfully AND if sufficient financial
resources can still be tapped thereafter, the court may order
repayments. Yes, the chances are thin, but they'd be thinner than
nothing without a successful court case.
Best,
Alistair
Matthew B. Tepper
have caused the following letters to be typed in
> Fair comment - but, as Matthew Tepper points out, if your approach, along
> with others, helps a case to be brought, that can only be a good thing; if
> it is brought successfully AND if sufficient financial resources can still
> be tapped thereafter, the court may order repayments. Yes, the chances are
> thin, but they'd be thinner than nothing without a successful court case.
You just said it better than I could. ;--)
Steve de Mena
>>> I hope that you do get your money back and am at least pleased that
>>> you have at last elicited a written response from HTS, even though it
>>> does not yet enclose a payment.
>> I wouldn't expect tor receive payment from HTS.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
> Fair comment - but, as Matthew Tepper points out, if your approach,
> along with others, helps a case to be brought, that can only be a good
> thing; if it is brought successfully AND if sufficient financial
> resources can still be tapped thereafter, the court may order
> repayments. Yes, the chances are thin, but they'd be thinner than
> nothing without a successful court case.
>
> Best,
>
> Alistair
>
I took that comment from the OP to mean he didn't expect to get money
from HTS directly, not that he didn't expect or hope to get money from
"Barry",
Steve
Frank Berger
> "sorabji...@lineone.net" <sorabji...@lineone.net> appears to
> have caused the following letters to be typed in
> news:1190357281.5...@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com:
>
>> Fair comment - but, as Matthew Tepper points out, if your approach, along
>> with others, helps a case to be brought, that can only be a good thing;
>> if
>> it is brought successfully AND if sufficient financial resources can
>> still
>> be tapped thereafter, the court may order repayments. Yes, the chances
>> are
>> thin, but they'd be thinner than nothing without a successful court case.
>
> You just said it better than I could. ;--)
>
Why is it necessary to post, or say, the intuitively obvious?
Frank Berger
"Steve de Mena" <st...@stevedemena.com> wrote in message
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> Steve
Christopher Webber
>> HTS directly, not that he didn't expect or hope to get money from "Barry",
As you say, HTS won't obtain any money to give to anyone: that is not
their function. But nor - as has been stated by others already - does Mr
Berger have any direct claim on Concert Artists, unless of course he
bought his "Hattos" online from them. He *will* have a very sound claim
against whichever retailer (online or off) sold him the CDs, once HTS
(or any other interested party such as a pirated record company) succeed
in a criminal prosecution.
The most sensible suggestion made for his swift satisfaction was, of
course, that he should contact his credit card company and ask them to
withdraw any payment made to the retailer, in the light of the prima
facie evidence already available. I don't suppose he bought his Hattos
long enough ago to fall outside any Statute of Limitation.
Matthew B. Tepper
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Isn't the answer to your question just as obvious? ;--) ;--)
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Andrew Clarke
wrote:
> Quite - when they're not avidly scouring the New Yorker, HTS are most
> certainly statistically quantifying customer satisfaction ratings on
> RMCR. These people leave no turn unstoned, as Frank so astutely guesses.
Christopher, I understand that while the New Yorker is almost
obligatory reading in Epping, Harlow and Chelmsford, Hertford, Luton
and Potters Bar are exclusively Washington Post.
I thought the New Yorker article was excellent, but I did find this
issue rather hard to read -- all those column-length ads and full page
promotions gave it a rather bitty appearance. And an article on colic
-- how appropriate for rmcr -was cut in two by numerous pages about
the forthcoming New Yorker Festival. Small typeface and small headings
don't help either. Do you think Mrs Beckham could give the mag a bit
of a makeover layout-wise? She certainly has the flair.
Meanwhile I have been assiduously reading The Royston Crow
http://www.royston-crow.co.uk/content/crow/default/default.aspx
for the latest news of Matthew's crusade against the William Joyces.
Strange to say I have so far found absolutely nothing. Do you think
MI5 is involved?
Andrew Clarke
Canberra
Christopher Webber
>Christopher, I understand that while the New Yorker is almost
>obligatory reading in Epping, Harlow and Chelmsford, Hertford, Luton
>and Potters Bar are exclusively Washington Post.
Your understanding is fundamentally correct, though I'm informed that
there are pockets in Berkhamsted and Hemel Hempstead where the Baltimore
Sun is the favoured Organ.
>
>I thought the New Yorker article was excellent, but I did find this
>issue rather hard to read --
[snip]
> Do you think Mrs Beckham could give the mag a bit of a makeover
>layout-wise? She certainly has the flair.
You bet - it's only a pity that she and her husband weren't asked to
write the article in the first place - what revelations the comic may
have lost! Last time I attended a Beetle Drive with David I overheard
him engaged in a heated debate as to whether the piano original of Bax's
1st Symphony had an validity in its own right, or whether rather it had
become a pre-emptive "fake" of the better known orchestral version. You
see, he keeps these aesthetic concerns under serious wraps. You can rest
assured that I'll personally raise the New Yorker and Hatto issues next
time he and I take tiffin together.
>
>Meanwhile I have been assiduously reading The Royston Crow
>http://www.royston-crow.co.uk/content/crow/default/default.aspx for the
>latest news of Matthew's crusade against the William Joyces. Strange to
>say I have so far found absolutely nothing. Do you think MI5 is involved?
I know they are: they infiltrated the Crow long ago, and have at least
three of their officers "on the perch". And Andrew, you of all people
should have noticed that their current blockbuster headline is "Rabbit
centre under threat". What could be a more subtly coded reference to
Myxomatosis - that viral disease of rabbits which so decimated your
Glorious Country in the 1950's and 60's -- the very time when WBC and JH
were setting out their own decidedly viral stand over here! I think the
Crow knows that you too are on the case, and it is afraid - very afraid.
TareeDawg
> Hatto Hatto Hatto - Ra Ra Ra...
> I can't resist 'catching up' with all the latest Hatto News on RMHR..
> Absolutely Riveting...
For some. But don't bet on it for others.
> ...and to think it's all the result of a couple of OAP's ('Senior
> Gits' in Yankee parlance) who Speeded Up/Down MiniDisc Dubs of a few
> hundred CDs (not borrowed from Hertfordshire Libraries, it would
> appear..).
HA HA HA HA HA, what a right old giggle, eh?
> The only thing that is of 'interest' is the quantities involved -and
> how long was the likely copying process for all those 'Faked To Order
> for the Cloth-Ear's Market' CD-R's...which has become a Mania for
> Amateur Sleuths to now identify...
Oh, you can be sure it is a Mania. Spot on. Cloth-Ears is not far from
the mark either.
> Why doesn't someone post the genuine Jayce Hotto Bax LP (sonatas, etc)
> that wasn't been issued on CD-R??
> I could - but won't - So there!!
What a pity. And I would have liked plenty of gwavy with mine too.
Ray (Dawg) Hall, Taree
Andrew Clarke
wrote:
> I know they are: they infiltrated the Crow long ago, and have at least
> three of their officers "on the perch". And Andrew, you of all people
> should have noticed that their current blockbuster headline is "Rabbit
> centre under threat". What could be a more subtly coded reference to
> Myxomatosis - that viral disease of rabbits which so decimated your
> Glorious Country in the 1950's and 60's -- the very time when WBC and JH
> were setting out their own decidedly viral stand over here! I think the
> Crow knows that you too are on the case, and it is afraid - very afraid.
Is it possible that "rabbit centre" is a code name for Alan Watkins?
(Rabbit = Run, Rabbit, Run, Rabbit, Run, Run, Run = Flannigan and
*Allan*? Maybe Alan has to contact someone in Bud (Flannigan) apest?
Laszlo Simon? Jeno Jando?
Incidentally the newsagent at Sawbridgeworth had 1 subscription for
the Los Angeles Times.
Andrew Clarke
(complete with deerstalker)
Canberra
m...@privacy.net
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