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The Historian

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Dec 20, 2009, 6:21:15 PM12/20/09
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http://www.amazon.com/Symphonic-Masterpieces/dp/B002JGXTVA/ref=sr_shvl_album_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1261350203&sr=301-3

I'm working through this with a lot of pleasure. The transfers are
decent on the whole. There's a lot less filtering than on the Naxos
releases of some of these, with some plus and minus - this set's
Brahms Third is a lot more brash sounding than the Naxos, and the Bach
Double has some more surface noise, but it sounds less processed. Les
Preludes is a lot noisier than the Naxos release, and the transfer
engineer dropped the first note.

The Ein Heldenleben is the CO from 1942, not the 1928 NYP recording.
The Naxos release sounds slightly better, but this is pretty good. The
Borodin In The Steppes sounds better than the Tahara release from a
decade ago. The Mahler 4 is a little better transfer than the Membran
issue I've heard, but this recording has been reissued so often I
don't make any claim that this is the best-sounding release of it.

This same company has also released collections of Toscanini and Carl
Schuricht. I've not heard either.

http://www.amazon.com/All-Time-Greatest-Hits/dp/B001OG2ZPC/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&s=dmusic&qid=1261351093&sr=1-14

The Historian

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Dec 20, 2009, 10:33:08 PM12/20/09
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On Dec 20, 6:21 pm, The Historian <neil.thehistor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.amazon.com/Symphonic-Masterpieces/dp/B002JGXTVA/ref=sr_shv...

>
> I'm working through this with a lot of pleasure. The transfers are
> decent on the whole. There's a lot less filtering than on the Naxos
> releases of some of these, with some plus and minus - this set's
> Brahms Third is a lot more brash sounding than the Naxos, and the Bach
> Double has some more surface noise, but it sounds less processed. Les
> Preludes is a lot noisier than the Naxos release, and the transfer
> engineer dropped the first note.
>
> The Ein Heldenleben is the CO from 1942, not the 1928 NYP recording.
> The Naxos release sounds slightly better, but this is pretty good. The
> Borodin In The Steppes sounds better than the Tahara release from a
> decade ago. The Mahler 4 is a little better transfer than the Membran
> issue I've heard, but this recording has been reissued so often I
> don't make any claim that this is the best-sounding release of it.

So far the worst sound on the set is the top-heavy and resonant
Beethoven 7, a live recording (date?). There's also a live Daphnis
Suite #2 in better sound. In addition to dates on some of these
recordings, I don't know the soloist in the Bruch Violin Concerto #1
I assume its Bustabo. Whoever it is, they don't strike me as terribly
good.

> This same company has also released collections of Toscanini and Carl
> Schuricht. I've not heard either.
>

> http://www.amazon.com/All-Time-Greatest-Hits/dp/B001OG2ZPC/ref=sr_1_1...

I decided to spring for the Schuricht because I've never heard
anything by this conductor and his 1939 Das Lied von der Erde is
supposed to be good.

The Historian

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Dec 20, 2009, 11:05:04 PM12/20/09
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> I'm working through this with a lot of pleasure. The transfers are
> decent on the whole. There's a lot less filtering than on the Naxos
> releases of some of these, with some plus and minus - this set's
> Brahms Third is a lot more brash sounding than the Naxos, and the Bach
> Double has some more surface noise, but it sounds less processed. Les
> Preludes is a lot noisier than the Naxos release, and the transfer
> engineer dropped the first note.
>
> The Ein Heldenleben is the CO from 1942, not the 1928 NYP recording.
> The Naxos release sounds slightly better, but this is pretty good. The
> Borodin In The Steppes sounds better than the Tahara release from a
> decade ago. The Mahler 4 is a little better transfer than the Membran
> issue I've heard, but this recording has been reissued so often I
> don't make any claim that this is the best-sounding release of it.
>
> This same company has also released collections of Toscanini and Carl
> Schuricht. I've not heard either.
>
> http://www.amazon.com/All-Time-Greatest-Hits/dp/B001OG2ZPC/ref=sr_1_1...

Here's the Toscanini set, billed as "Tuscanini."

http://www.amazon.com/Classical-Classics/dp/B0029Q0LPC/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=dmusic&qid=1261367845&sr=8-4

Also, the Beethoven Concerto's first movement is described as "Allegro
ma non trappo" - I'm not sure what that means, but I don't think
Heifetz and Toscanini play it that way.

Aside from the typos, the set looks interesting. The Mengelberg
transfers were well done; I wonder how these are.

wagnerfan

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Dec 20, 2009, 11:18:44 PM12/20/09
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"The Historian" <neil.the...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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http://www.amazon.com/Classical-Classics/dp/B0029Q0LPC/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=dmusic&qid=1261367845&sr=8-4

Do you get recording dates etc.??? Wagner Fan

The Historian

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Dec 20, 2009, 11:25:44 PM12/20/09
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On Dec 20, 11:18 pm, "wagnerfan" <wagner...@comcast.net> wrote:
> "The Historian" <neil.thehistor...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>
> news:91e94c95-4cc0-46fa...@g23g2000vbr.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 20, 6:21 pm, The Historian <neil.thehistor...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> >http://www.amazon.com/Symphonic-Masterpieces/dp/B002JGXTVA/ref=sr_shv...
>
> > I'm working through this with a lot of pleasure. The transfers are
> > decent on the whole. There's a lot less filtering than on the Naxos
> > releases of some of these, with some plus and minus - this set's
> > Brahms Third is a lot more brash sounding than the Naxos, and the Bach
> > Double has some more surface noise, but it sounds less processed. Les
> > Preludes is a lot noisier than the Naxos release, and the transfer
> > engineer dropped the first note.
>
> > The Ein Heldenleben is the CO from 1942, not the 1928 NYP recording.
> > The Naxos release sounds slightly better, but this is pretty good. The
> > Borodin In The Steppes sounds better than the Tahara release from a
> > decade ago. The Mahler 4 is a little better transfer than the Membran
> > issue I've heard, but this recording has been reissued so often I
> > don't make any claim that this is the best-sounding release of it.
>
> > This same company has also released collections of Toscanini and Carl
> > Schuricht. I've not heard either.
>
> >http://www.amazon.com/All-Time-Greatest-Hits/dp/B001OG2ZPC/ref=sr_1_1...
>
> Here's the Toscanini set, billed as "Tuscanini."
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Classical-Classics/dp/B0029Q0LPC/ref=sr_1_4?ie=...

>
> Also, the Beethoven Concerto's first movement is described as "Allegro
> ma non trappo" - I'm not sure what that means, but I don't think
> Heifetz and Toscanini play it that way.
>
> Aside from the typos, the set looks interesting. The Mengelberg
> transfers were well done; I wonder how these are.
>
> Do you get recording dates etc.???  Wagner Fan

Probably not. Most of these budget download sets don't have them.

Matthew�B.�Tepper

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Dec 21, 2009, 2:24:05 AM12/21/09
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The Historian <neil.the...@gmail.com> appears to have caused the
following letters to be typed in
news:91e94c95-4cc0-46fa...@g23g2000vbr.googlegroups.com:

> Here's the Toscanini set, billed as "Tuscanini."
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Classical-Classics/dp/B0029Q0LPC/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8
> &s=dmusic&qid=1261367845&sr=8-4
>
> Also, the Beethoven Concerto's first movement is described as "Allegro
> ma non trappo" - I'm not sure what that means, but I don't think
> Heifetz and Toscanini play it that way.
>
> Aside from the typos, the set looks interesting. The Mengelberg
> transfers were well done; I wonder how these are.

Two more things to notice:

On the "cover," the early Columbia Records LP logo.

A release date on April First.

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The Historian

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Dec 21, 2009, 8:44:55 AM12/21/09
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On Dec 21, 2:24 am, "Matthew B. Tepper" <oyþ@earthlink.net> wrote:
> The Historian <neil.thehistor...@gmail.com> appears to have caused the
> following letters to be typed innews:91e94c95-4cc0-46fa...@g23g2000vbr.googlegroups.com:

>
> > Here's the Toscanini set, billed as "Tuscanini."
>
> >http://www.amazon.com/Classical-Classics/dp/B0029Q0LPC/ref=sr_1_4?ie=...

> > &s=dmusic&qid=1261367845&sr=8-4
>
> > Also, the Beethoven Concerto's first movement is described as "Allegro
> > ma non trappo" - I'm not sure what that means, but I don't think
> > Heifetz and Toscanini play it that way.
>
> > Aside from the typos, the set looks interesting. The Mengelberg
> > transfers were well done; I wonder how these are.
>
> Two more things to notice:
>
> On the "cover," the early Columbia Records LP logo.
>
> A release date on April First.

I think they may be a "stealth" label. The Beethoven Concerto sounds
nearly identical to the Naxos issue of a decade ago. Unfortunately I
don't have most of these recordings on other labels for comparison.
Spot checking shows the sound to be good, aside from the 1950s
Beethoven 8th, which is top-heavy.

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