For your fun and information: W. B-C in his mail to me
Peter Lemken
Change of venue to Cirencester & confirmation of earlier invitations
From: "william" <**@**com>
To: "Peter Lemken" <**@**.de>
Dear Herr Lemken,
Thank you for your letter and I certainly envy your long holiday!
I am not sure that my original letter was "elaborate" but simply an
unequivocal offer inviting you to Cambridge in order to lay low most, if not
quite all, the unpleasant, spiteful, and manifestly untrue comments and
allegations that have been appearing on various internet groups. Some of
these, you will remember, originated from your goodself. As these appeared,
however, under your own name I accepted this as a sign of your good faith
and continue to do so. In addition, because of your musical background and
previous experience in concert management and agency work, I have made an
effort to be of assistance. As to "eloquence" I am, after all, writing in my
native tongue and I doubt if you would have complimented me had I been
writing in German. Any accolade in this direction writing to me in such
perfect English belongs rightly to you!
It was a pity that you were not able to accept my previous offer but I will
certainly try to accommodate you when you travel to England in August.
Please bear in mind that August & September are busy holiday months but if
you give me definite dates I will do my best to organise things for you. As
it happens, I have some close relatives living just outside Cirencester and
we fairly frequently spend time with them. It would be convenient for my
wife too as, with her many sided problems, staying in hotels, even in the
comfort of the Fleece, is rather difficult for her. Although her health has
been deteriorating a little in the past three months and giving additional
cause for anxiety she will certainly make every effort to meet you.
I expect that you will have seen the allegations that appeared just recently
on the internet stating that my wife had never played at all in Poland or
Russia. This was stated to be a fact after "extensive" investigations. My
own lawyers investigations showed that the email address of the writer was
bogus and the allegations have now been removed from the site. However, this
new development caused the need to search files and seek out original
Contracts, Posters, Programmes, Leaflets, press comments and notices to
prove the truth. Going back fifty years in the attic is time absorbing and
very tiring . I mention this only to let you know that this information is
available, sans mice, for you to inspect should this be of added interest
for your article. I can post you, if you let me have your address, some of
the originals if you wish to subject them to laboratory investigation.
Carbon tested if you wish! Although I think that this would not be quite as
conclusive.
Now, I turn to the matter of René Kohler, the man who you have quite openly
declared to be "non existent". A sort of "Man who Never Was" a British
Counter-Intelligence ploy that so successfully fooled German Intelligence
Services in the last war. Had you been able to come to Cambridge my
solicitors had available prepared "Depositions" or sworn legal documents by
orchestral musicians who took part in various recording sessions. These can
assuredly be made available again and, once I have the dates of your visit,
I will investigate the possibility of transferring "certified" copies to
another solicitor, who also acts for my cousin, in Cirencester.
Dr. Robert Simpson, Head of BBC Third Programmes, was very interested in
René Kohler and had several meetings with him. I am now trying to get in
touch with a BBC producer who attended a recording session as a kind of
preliminary "audition". I would be prepared to pay his expenses but it would
probably be cheaper to make an arrangement to meet him in London. I will
have my solicitor make the necessary arrangements and provide the necessary
undertakings that no bribe or inducement (as you have asserted took place in
the case of various critics) has been offered or accepted. All this takes
up so much time but I hope it proves helpful in the end.
Unfortunately, I have no documentation in the form of birth certificates,
death certificates, undertakers accounts, bank statements, rent books, hotel
accounts. Simply as there has been no reason why these should ever have been
in my possession. In drafting this letter, however, I have been reminded by
my secretary that Mr. Kohler stayed for a few days at the University Arms
Hotel in Cambridge and that we settled his account there. Way back in the
eighties this very well known hotel was "family" owned. Now, due to the
reluctance of the son to spend his life in the hotelier business, it was
sold to the "De Vere" Hotel Group. I have now requested our Accountants and
Auditors to check this out with the new owners. My solicitors have also been
asked to investigate the position and make arrangements with the hotel for
you to inspect the Hotel Register. In this instance it would be necessary
for you to come to Cambridge. I can't imagine that the hotel would sallow
the Register to be shipped to Cirencester but we can try!
I am quite sure that your own experience would tell you that there could be
no reason why I would have any of the documents that you refer to. I have
made some inquiries to three other record companies concerning artists ( all
dead) who recorded for them. These include a prestigious German Company, but
none of them have been able to give ANY of the information such you have
asked from us.
Although I am unable to give you the specific information that you request.
Such information as I do possess has been made available to a 'bonafide'
musical historian. Even in this case I have not given information that has
not been previously authorised by René's existing and living family.
Unfortunately, We revealed, unauthorised, that René as a young boy (eight or
ten years of age) was given six weeks shelter in Krakow in 1936. Since then,
I have been given to understand privately that the University received three
inquiries. An inquiry in person by somebody posing as a relation and making
inquiries about any "known" family triggered some alarm bells and has been
noted by Jewish Intelligence. I have also been informed that information
going back to 1935/36 is not fully documented and that the University could
not state unequivocally who stayed as a "guest" in the University at that
time. Somebody being "sheltered" would not appear on University Records as
the responsibility would be a solely personal one.
However, I am trying to be helpful in this matter. I understand that the
family lived in the Weimar region and René was born there. I am fairly
certain that he travelled on Swiss Travel documents. He was also a friend of
the German Conductor Erich Reide (Nuremberg Opera) who, I believe, might
still be alive. Herr Reide, I believe, did give a recommendation to a
Nuremburg orchestra. Could this have been the Nuremburg Symphony Orchestra?
I am writing today to a good friend in Germany who mentioned to me some
while back that he has been speaking to Herr Reide. If I can come up with
anything here I will certainly put you in touch. Although Kohler is not his
"Getragener" name it was a subsequently adopted name and, on advice, I am
informed, he did this legally in Germany when he was hopeful of getting a
position with the Opera in East Berlin. It is possible that with your
connections and influence you would be allowed access to search through
existing records there. He also had some correspondence with NWDR and they
may also be of some assistance to you. We were asked to send some recorded
material to Hamburg so it would seem to be obvious that there was some
interest there or that they were not wishing to appear unsympathetic.
All this takes a very great amount of time and I have tried to be of
assistance and certainly not obstructive. As an interesting and final
footnote I can tell you that we are in touch with a young relative (great
nephew) of René's family (through the brothers line) now safely settled in
Israel. The youngster is a musician and a budding conductor who has being
drawing some attention. We are trying to make arrangements to bring him to
London when he has finished his National Service in the Israeli Army. We
have offered recordings with Joyce Hatto, if she is still able to undertake
such a commitment, and have offered to finance a career launch at the Royal
Festival Hall with as many members of the original National
Philharmonic-Symphony Orchestra as can be reassembled for recording and some
concert appearances.
With kind regards,
W.H.Barrington-Coupe
Concert Artist Recordings
****
Peter Lemken
Berlin
Christian Bundegaard
And you have been sitting on this all the while the Hattoing unfolded!
This is hot stuff - what would B-C say - most revealing!
c
Todd Schurk
University Arms hotel = Fawlty Towers?
rw...@btinternet.com
will be different types of communication documented from Mr B-C. This
seems like classic mid-period. Not the initial flurry of hyperhole
and not the late (post-hoax discovery) bluster followed by grovel.
He does seem to go in for quite elaborate inventions doesn't he. All
that stuff about depositions with his solicitors etc. And the
apparent wanting to help whilst at the same time giving endless
reasons why helping simply won't be possible. Kohler's nephew in
Israel was a nice touch. No name of course.
There is a slightly desperate tone to it all. I'm wondering if he
felt that the whole thing had already got out of hand and he was half
expecting a knock on the door (from the police, BPI) at any moment.
When did he send it, btw?
Oh, and just so I don't have to start a new thread. I did a bit of
checking up on Mr Watkins. Someone I know is chair of the Percussive
Arts Society (PAS) - UK chapter. I emailed him a couple of weeks ago
and got a reply yesterday. No-one he knows has ever heard of him. Not
that this will come as a surprise but thought I should share.
Next!
O
Christian Bundegaard <bunde...@c.dk> wrote:
> >
> > Unfortunately, I have no documentation in the form of birth certificates,
> > death certificates, undertakers accounts, bank statements, rent books, hotel
> > accounts. Simply as there has been no reason why these should ever have been
> > in my possession. In drafting this letter, however, I have been reminded by
> > my secretary that Mr. Kohler stayed for a few days at the University Arms
> > Hotel in Cambridge and that we settled his account there. Way back in the
> > eighties this very well known hotel was "family" owned. Now, due to the
> > reluctance of the son to spend his life in the hotelier business, it was
> > sold to the "De Vere" Hotel Group. I have now requested our Accountants and
> > Auditors to check this out with the new owners. My solicitors have also been
> > asked to investigate the position and make arrangements with the hotel for
> > you to inspect the Hotel Register. In this instance it would be necessary
> > for you to come to Cambridge. I can't imagine that the hotel would sallow
> > the Register to be shipped to Cirencester but we can try!
Hmm...he didn't have a way to contact a conductor whom he allegedly
hired to conduct two huge orchestra recordings, nor any proof of his
existence other than an entry in a hotel register. In this case, there
must be a lot more "John Smiths" in the world than has previously been
thought, if existance needs proof only in a hotel register.
-Owen
Ralph
> I love this. When the whole sorry saga gets written up I think there
> will be different types of communication documented from Mr B-C. This
> seems like classic mid-period. Not the initial flurry of hyperhole
> and not the late (post-hoax discovery) bluster followed by grovel.
snip
Dang it. I thought that perhaps you too might perhaps quote the entire
letter in your reply. The third time would of been a charm for those
afflicted with short term memory lapses.
Ralph
Matthew B. Tepper
following letters to be typed in news:558hpfF...@mid.individual.net:
> Now, I turn to the matter of René Kohler, the man who you have quite
> openly declared to be "non existent". A sort of "Man who Never Was" a
> British Counter-Intelligence ploy that so successfully fooled German
> Intelligence Services in the last war.
How conveeeeeeenient.
> Dr. Robert Simpson, Head of BBC Third Programmes, was very interested in
> René Kohler and had several meetings with him.
Dr. Simpson died in 1997. What a pity.
> I understand that the family lived in the Weimar region and René was born
> there. I am fairly certain that he travelled on Swiss Travel documents.
> He was also a friend of the German Conductor Erich Reide (Nuremberg
> Opera) who, I believe, might still be alive.
I wouldn't count on it.
Anybody else here can take it from there.
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Steve Emerson
spam.f...@buerotiger.de (Peter Lemken) wrote:
> eighties this very well known hotel was "family" owned [etc.]
Thanks for posting. It puts you in mind of things like Nabokov's "Pale
Fire." First piece of amusement on the Hatto front in some time.
SE.
Gerard
> University Arms hotel = Fawlty Towers?
Not exactly.
rkhalona
>
> University Arms hotel = Fawlty Towers?- Hide quoted text -
>
Who plays Manuel in this story?
RK
rkhalona
>
> Oh, and just so I don't have to start a new thread. I did a bit of
> checking up on Mr Watkins. Someone I know is chair of the Percussive
> Arts Society (PAS) - UK chapter. I emailed him a couple of weeks ago
> and got a reply yesterday. No-one he knows has ever heard of him. Not
> that this will come as a surprise but thought I should share.
>
Poor Mr. Watkins, ignored in London and ignored in Prague.
It's no wonder he left RMCR, he couldn't stand the lack of attention.
RK
Todd Schurk
Yes...now...is there a recording of JH playing Brahms Third Racket?
Peter Lemken
> And you have been sitting on this all the while the Hattoing unfolded!
> This is hot stuff - what would B-C say - most revealing!
And you needed to quote all this to make a two-liner "point"?
Peter Lemken
> University Arms hotel = Fawlty Towers?
150 lines of mindless quoting for this one line?
You should be embarassed. This is usenet, not some kind of forum or google
group.
Frank Berger
>We revealed, unauthorised, that René as a young boy (eight or
> ten years of age) was given six weeks shelter in Krakow in 1936. Since
> then,
> I have been given to understand privately that the University received
> three
> inquiries. An inquiry in person by somebody posing as a relation and
> making
> inquiries about any "known" family triggered some alarm bells and has been
> noted by Jewish Intelligence.
The Mossad? The Elders of Zion?
.
.
.
> However, I am trying to be helpful in this matter.
Good one..
>As an interesting and final
> footnote I can tell you that we are in touch with a young relative (great
> nephew) of René's family (through the brothers line) now safely settled in
> Israel. The youngster is a musician and a budding conductor who has being
> drawing some attention. We are trying to make arrangements to bring him to
> London when he has finished his National Service in the Israeli Army.
Want to bet he's already been cut down by a sniper's bullet?
Paul Goldstein
says...
>
>On Mar 7, 12:11 pm, "Todd Schurk" <patterb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> University Arms hotel = Fawlty Towers?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>
>Who plays Manuel in this story?
Don't mind him, he's from Barcelona.
TareeDawg
news:558qimF...@mid.individual.net...
> Christian Bundegaard <bunde...@c.dk> wrote:
>
>> And you have been sitting on this all the while the Hattoing unfolded!
>> This is hot stuff - what would B-C say - most revealing!
>
> And you needed to quote all this to make a two-liner "point"?
Like most people, when a whole screed cannot be snipped by some posters, I
just give up on the thread, and move on. Life is too short.
Ray H
Taree, NSW
rkhalona
> In article <1173302063.995533.217...@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, rkhalona
Why not? Barcelona loves and needs good timpani players!
RK
johnlew...@sympatico.ca
Jesus Murphy!
JG
Todd Schurk
It's google from my end-and sorry if you don't get the one-liner. It
was a good one. I guess some Germans have trouble with the lighter
side of things.
sorabji...@lineone.net
And the alleged date of his alleged message?...
Best,
Alistair
John Harrington
reserve that many of the asshats on this very group employ as a
[transparent] rhetorical trick while unashamedly continuing with their
villainy of, e.g., supporting preemptive warfare and even proposing
genocide. I'm sure WB-C would never use profanity either.
J
johnlew...@sympatico.ca
A bit of a leap, don't you think? I mean, we don't know where he
stood politically. The worst assholes in the world can be liberal,
socialist, communist, or fascist. I mean, you never really know, do
you?
JG
Steve de Mena
> Oh, and just so I don't have to start a new thread. I did a bit of
> checking up on Mr Watkins. Someone I know is chair of the Percussive
> Arts Society (PAS) - UK chapter. I emailed him a couple of weeks ago
> and got a reply yesterday. No-one he knows has ever heard of him. Not
> that this will come as a surprise but thought I should share.
Amazing....
Steve
John Harrington
> On Mar 7, 5:44 pm, "John Harrington" <bearti...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Note the same notes of quiet pride, wounded dignity, and gentlemanly
> > reserve that many of the asshats on this very group employ as a
> > [transparent] rhetorical trick while unashamedly continuing with their
> > villainy of, e.g., supporting preemptive warfare and even proposing
> > genocide. I'm sure WB-C would never use profanity either.
>
> > J
>
> A bit of a leap, don't you think?
Not at all. It only seems so to you because you haven't learned to
spot the type.
> I mean, we don't know where he
> stood politically.
You totally misunderstand. It has nothing necessarily to do with
politics. It has to do with the veneer of respectability certain
sociopathic types learn (by trial and error and/or by cunning) to
adopt to confound the simple into believing they are really 'good
people', a thin little white mask they put over their grotesque,
monstrous faces. It is distressing how many people fall for it.
J
johnlew...@sympatico.ca
JG not wanting to descend into the obvious, but he comes across like a
lower middle class twit with a little education and a lot of nerve.
(You know, what the British Empire was, in part, built on.) But I
don't like to assign "types" until all the evidence is in. And I'm
not sure we'll ever get all the evidence.
JG
rkhalona
You sound as if you're surprised. Old Charlie Smith is kicking around
on another thread. I bet they don't know him in London or Prague
either.
RK
Andrys Basten
"Elaborate" is an understatement. Peter, the 'original' --
did you post that one too? Earlier? Or is that the one
Ernst Lumpe posted here when he thought WB-C was sincere.
Could you let us know the dates on these? I'd like
to link to this thread on the Hatto-news/ref page I do
at http://www.andrys.com/hatto.html
Thanks,
- A
In article <558hpfF...@mid.individual.net>,
Peter Lemken
Yes, they have, and so have most others. They don't want to wade through
hundreds of quoted lines to see a one-liner. It's up to you to make a
one-liner concise. Anything else is the antidote to a one-liner.
What was the German thing you were speaking about?
Peter Lemken
> Jesus Murphy!
And it took you hundreds of lines of quoting to make that point.
How infantile.
Peter Lemken
[...]
> And the alleged date of his alleged message?...
is May 1st, 2006.
And that is the last time you will get an answer from me, unless you decide
to trim postings adequately. I am fed up with wasting my time and visual
attention by wading through hundreds of lines of misattributed, badly
formatted, useless quotations just to see on line of whatever.
Why do you do that?
Peter Lemken
Yes, you do. They are all mildly intelligent, have a mission and use
whatever trick to make their enemies look bad, preferrably in a context that
leaves the enemy in the defensive for moral reaons.
Yes, I am German, and I know the kind of mild insinuations that try to make
you shut up without retort.
Peter Lemken
>
> "Elaborate" is an understatement. Peter, the 'original' --
> did you post that one too? Earlier? Or is that the one
> Ernst Lumpe posted here when he thought WB-C was sincere.
>
> Could you let us know the dates on these? I'd like
> to link to this thread on the Hatto-news/ref page I do
> at http://www.andrys.com/hatto.html
Please ask me again nicely and do so without quoting the whole message.
johnlew...@sympatico.ca
Opportunism, in a word, which if I were a Catholic would not be unlike
a mortal sin.
But I tell you in all honesty that all of us are prone or vulnerable
in that regard, don't you think?
JG
Peter Lemken
> Opportunism, in a word, which if I were a Catholic would not be unlike
> a mortal sin.
> But I tell you in all honesty that all of us are prone or vulnerable
> in that regard, don't you think?
No, not me.
Todd Schurk
If you are on this thread and others you certainly seem to have plenty
of time to wade through all of the one liners. So here is one
more....have a nice day! (oh yeah...the German thing-my name is also
German, but my father fought on the side of good in WWll...not on the
evil side.)
>Todd Schurk
>USA
johnlew...@sympatico.ca
I don't know about you. But for me it is the counsel of perfection to
suggest that we can completely divest ourselves individually, much
less as a species, of opportunism. Having said that, we're talking
about rank opportunism, which is as you say truly despicable.
JG
Phil Caron
news:1173309044.1...@8g2000cwh.googlegroups.com...
- Phil Caron
Andrys Basten
Peter Lemken <spam.f...@buerotiger.de> wrote:
>Please ask me again nicely and do so without quoting the whole message.
I did ask you nicely and without quoting any message at all.
?
WB-C mentions the original note and it'd be great to have it
and if it's the same as the one Ernst posted earlier when he
believed it was sincere, then it's better in this thread
coming from you who was the recipient.
- A
Larry Rinkel
> Yes, they have, and so have most others. They don't want to wade through
> hundreds of quoted lines to see a one-liner. It's up to you to make a
> one-liner concise. Anything else is the antidote to a one-liner.
>
A one-liner is by definition concise.
Frank Berger
>> On Mar 7, 1:55 pm, spam.for....@buerotiger.de (Peter Lemken) wrote:
>>> Todd Schurk <patterb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> > University Arms hotel = Fawlty Towers?
>>>
>>> 150 lines of mindless quoting for this one line?
>>>
>>> You should be embarassed. This is usenet, not some kind of forum or
>>> group.
>>>
>>> Peter Lemken
>>> Berlin
>>>
>>> --http://www.pianoblog.de/
>>
>> It's google from my end-and sorry if you don't get the one-liner. It
>> was a good one. I guess some Germans have trouble with the lighter
>> side of things.
>
> Yes, they have, and so have most others. They don't want to wade through
> hundreds of quoted lines to see a one-liner.
Try cntl-end. It's not difficult. Trying to police newsgroup etiquette is.
Frank Berger
> johnlew...@sympatico.ca wrote:
>
>> Jesus Murphy!
>
> And it took you hundreds of lines of quoting to make that point.
>
> How infantile.
>
You appear to be obsessed with this.
Frank Berger
> sorabji...@lineone.net <sorabji...@lineone.net> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>> And the alleged date of his alleged message?...
>
> is May 1st, 2006.
>
> And that is the last time you will get an answer from me, unless you
> decide
> to trim postings adequately. I am fed up with wasting my time and visual
> attention by wading through hundreds of lines of misattributed, badly
> formatted, useless quotations just to see on line of whatever.
>
> Why do you do that?
>
Some will do it just to provoke you.
Frank Berger
> Andrys Basten <and...@panix.com> wrote:
>>
>> "Elaborate" is an understatement. Peter, the 'original' --
>> did you post that one too? Earlier? Or is that the one
>> Ernst Lumpe posted here when he thought WB-C was sincere.
>>
>> Could you let us know the dates on these? I'd like
>> to link to this thread on the Hatto-news/ref page I do
>> at http://www.andrys.com/hatto.html
>
> Please ask me again nicely and do so without quoting the whole message.
>
Have you gone off your medications?
Frank Berger
<johnlew...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:1173312877....@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
You, a leftist (IIRC) and I, sort of Libertarian/Conservative can agree on
this (and problably little else). Harrington will never do so. Nor Lemken,
apparently..
Steve de Mena
Yes I am rather surprised. I expected maybe he
had embellished his story/stories here and there,
but not to this extent.
Steve
Steve de Mena
What a fucking asshole. This is the last time I
read a post of your.
*PLONK*
I hope I wasted some of your valuable time when
you read this.
Steve
Steve de Mena
Andrys,
You did ask nicely. I saw your initial post.
This guy is a jerk and if I were in your shows I
wouldn't want to get anything from him.
Steve
Andrew Clarke
> Opportunism, in a word, which if I were a Catholic would not be unlike
> a mortal sin.
The chief mortal sin in this case is theft (of other people's
property) and in such cases the penitent must make full restitution
for what has been stolen. There's the question of lying, too.
Omn the other hand, the Catholic teaching that we must hate the sin
but love the sinner doesn't seem too much in evidence around here.
> But I tell you in all honesty that all of us are prone or vulnerable
> in that regard, don't you think?
Exactly. That's what the "judge not lest ye be judged" bit is all
about. It is also Catholic doctrine that the severity of the offence
may be mitigated by the intentions of the offender and the extent to
which he/she was fully aware of what they were doing. And we just
don't know what JH's intentions were, because she's dead.
As for her unfortunate husband, I think he's been pilloried enough. A
lot of the stuff being thrown at his head says more about the throwers
than their target IMHO. People just like putting the boot in.
Finally I do feel uneasy about anybody's private correspondence being
posted on a newsgroup without that person's permission.
Andrew Clarke
Canberra
Andrys Basten
Andrew Clarke <a...@cts.canberra.edu.au> wrote:
>Finally I do feel uneasy about anybody's private correspondence being
>posted on a newsgroup without that person's permission.
>
>Andrew Clarke
>Canberra
I asked about the 'original' note that WB-C refers to.
I don't know but it -could- be the note that Ernst posted
before he knew of WB-C's grande hoax. If it is, Ernst
said that he was posting that one with permission of the
writer (WB-C). I will go look for it to see the date on
that one to get a fuller picture.
I asked for the earlier WB-C note referred to in this
thread's letter which appeared to be an earlier invite
that Peter apparently couldn't make (and which I suspect
WB-C hoped he couldn't make). And would just like that
to make referencing the thread here more complete.
My sense, from my read of everything, is that WB-C felt that
Peter was closing in on him and WB-C was trying to halt that
with invites that he felt he could avoid as needed.
TareeDawg
news:1173306882.1...@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 7, 2:24 pm, Paul Goldstein <Paul_mem...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>> In article <1173302063.995533.217...@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
>> rkhalona
>> says...
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Mar 7, 12:11 pm, "Todd Schurk" <patterb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> University Arms hotel = Fawlty Towers?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >Who plays Manuel in this story?
>>
>> Don't mind him, he's from Barcelona.
>
> Why not? Barcelona loves and needs good timpani players!
Barca needs good soccer players too.
Well done, Liverpool.
HA HA HA HA HA
Ray H
Taree, NSW
Matthew B. Tepper
following letters to be typed in news:12uuruh...@news.supernews.com:
Well, it does look like several people are turning into Richard Loebs.
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Matthew B. Tepper: WWW, science fiction, classical music, ducks!
My personal home page -- http://home.earthlink.net/~oy/index.html
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To write to me, do for my address what Androcles did for the lion
Harrington/Coy is a gay wrestler who won't come out of the closet
Matthew B. Tepper
> You, a leftist (IIRC) and I, sort of Libertarian/Conservative can agree
> on this (and problably little else). Harrington will never do so. Nor
> Lemken, apparently..
Harrington's grasp on reality is, at best, quite tenuous.
Matthew B. Tepper
following letters to be typed in news:5592ehF...@mid.individual.net:
> Andrys Basten <and...@panix.com> wrote:
>>
>> "Elaborate" is an understatement. Peter, the 'original' --
>> did you post that one too? Earlier? Or is that the one
>> Ernst Lumpe posted here when he thought WB-C was sincere.
>>
>> Could you let us know the dates on these? I'd like
>> to link to this thread on the Hatto-news/ref page I do
>> at http://www.andrys.com/hatto.html
>
> Please ask me again nicely and do so without quoting the whole message.
That's a much more agreeable way of addressing the "long quote" irritation.
johnlew...@sympatico.ca
> spam.for....@buerotiger.de (Peter Lemken) appears to have caused the
> following letters to be typed innews:5592ehF...@mid.individual.net:
>
> > Andrys Basten <and...@panix.com> wrote:
>
> >> "Elaborate" is an understatement. Peter, the 'original' --
> >> did you post that one too? Earlier? Or is that the one
> >> Ernst Lumpe posted here when he thought WB-C was sincere.
>
> >> Could you let us know the dates on these? I'd like
> >> to link to this thread on the Hatto-news/ref page I do
>
> > Please ask me again nicely and do so without quoting the whole message.
>
> That's a much more agreeable way of addressing the "long quote" irritation.
>
> --
> Matthew B. Tepper: WWW, science fiction, classical music, ducks!
> My main music page ---http://home.earthlink.net/~oy/berlioz.html
> To write to me, do for my address what Androcles did for the lion
> Harrington/Coy is a gay wrestler who won't come out of the closet
I'm using Google where previous posts or "messages" don't show up.
They appear as a kind of footnote which the reader may choose, by
clicking on the footnote, if he wishes to read in detail. So I don't
have the faintest idea want Lempkin is complaining about, if indeed he
is complaining.
JG
johnlew...@sympatico.ca
My apologies! Make that "Lemken"!
JG
REG
> On Mar 7, 12:33 pm, r...@btinternet.com wrote:
>>
>> Oh, and just so I don't have to start a new thread. I did a bit of
>> checking up on Mr Watkins. Someone I know is chair of the Percussive
>> Arts Society (PAS) - UK chapter. I emailed him a couple of weeks ago
>> and got a reply yesterday. No-one he knows has ever heard of him. Not
>> that this will come as a surprise but thought I should share.
>>
>
> It's no wonder he left RMCR, he couldn't stand the lack of attention.
>
> RK
>
Another interesting Watkins point on a side bar. Repeatedly on rmo, he made
statements to the effect that tympani were only used in the Overture to
Bellini's Sonnambula. For example,
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From: alanwatkin...@aol.com (Alan Watkins)
Date: 4 May 2003 13:28:16 -0700
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Subject: Re: Short operas
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As former principal percussion and then principal timpani of the
Prague Opera Orchestra I can't compete with your knowledge of short
operas, although I like Doctor Miracle by Bizet both for the reason
that it is a great piece and that the overture contains a wonderful
and almost continous triangle part.
Personally I have fallen in love with La Sonnambula by that Bellini
chap. The timpanist plays for about three minutes in the overture and
then goes home. This is best performed on a bank holiday when you get
double pay as a principal...and go home. I suspect that when Bellini
wrote it timpanists were cheaper.
Kind regards,
Alan M. Watkins
I'm not quite sure what Watkins was referring to here. My ears long told me
that they tympany were used throughout Sonnambula, and a check in the Dover
edition of the full score seemed to confirm that. Perhaps there are
different editions, or the principal tympanist goes home and someone else
plays his part for the rest of the evening, but I don't otherwise see how to
clear up the mystery.
TareeDawg
news:2MJHh.107$Zy4...@newsfe12.lga...
Not when you have to scroll down hundreds of pages to find it.
Ray H
Taree, NSW
Andrys Basten
Wayne Reimer <wrdslremovethis濃pacbell.net> wrote:
>BTW, Andrys is wrong: her message quoted a zillion lines underneath her
>top posting, at least as it arrived on my server. I have no idea why
>there has been this sudden plague over the last few weeks of massive
>quoting with only a tiny bit of new material in the message, but it's
>really tiresome (although Andrys did demonstrate a rare instance in
>which top posting made sense).
My own copy of my note and the copy currently on my panix.com
server shows it as I wrote it. I didn't actually quote the notes before
as I hate that (I quote snippets I'm responding to but wasn't doing that
here either).
I think Google must have a glitch where they are adding on, somehow,
all the previous note written by the person we're addressing.
>Did Google Groups change its formatting or something so that people
>don't realize they are doing it? That'd account for some of it.
I post via unix news reader 'trn' and can easily delete the
entire note before responding, which I did. Wasn't posting through
Google.
But Google's archive seems to have added the note. I think that people
who receive messages through normal news-server readers like the one I use
did not see any trailing stuff on mine (I'd hope).
However, I do see that many people do leave entire posts on but in that
case, worse, they respond at the bottom.
John Wiser
"Wayne Reimer" <wrds_f...@pacbell.net> wrote
[cut to chase]
> > Andrys Basten wrote: [ne-ver mind]
> > > Peter Lemken snarled:
> > >> Please ask me again nicely and do so without quoting the whole message.
> >
> > You did ask nicely. I saw your initial post.
> >
> > This guy is a jerk and if I were in your shows I
> > wouldn't want to get anything from him.
> >
>
> he's been useful, unlike the majority of the other jerks in rmcr.
>
> BTW, Andrys is wrong: her message quoted a zillion lines underneath her
> top posting, at least as it arrived on my server. I have no idea why
> there has been this sudden plague over the last few weeks of massive
> quoting with only a tiny bit of new material in the message, but it's
> really tiresome (although Andrys did demonstrate a rare instance in
> which top posting made sense).
>
> don't realize they are doing it? That'd account for some of it.
You got it. Reimer. When posting from Google you must actively delete older content, and it is
not immediately apparent how to do it. I thought
for a while that certain people were deliberately yanking Lemken's chain, but that would indicate a level of subtle
destructive humor which those
posters have never previously displayed.
Lately the population of abrasive jerks on rmcr,
most notably among the pianophiles, has reached a point where the ng resembles a high-speed belt sander. You might
acknowledge that you have partaken in enough pointless & juvenile rancorous exchanges to qualify as -- at the very least --
an honorary abrasive jerk. Maybe the aristocracy bloc will create a baronetcy for you.
cordially
JDW
Andrys Basten
Andrys Basten <and...@panix.com> wrote:
> My own copy of my note and the copy currently on my panix.com
>server shows it as I wrote it. I didn't actually quote the notes before
>as I hate that (I quote snippets I'm responding to but wasn't doing that
>here either).
>
> I think Google must have a glitch where they are adding on, somehow,
>all the previous note written by the person we're addressing.
I wonder. It seems Google archive reading allows people
to view the prior note. Is there some kind of setting on it
to 'expand' prior note to show it below a current note that
wouldn't have it? It would be optional and maybe Peter's is
'on' and that's why he's become so irritated?
My newsgroup server copy definitely shows that I did not append
ANY text from the previous note. I personally hate seeing all
the long quotes so I didn't do it, in my unix newsreader, which
is very plain and doesn't have Google's expand-compress detail
etc.
- Andrys (and I don't have anything below this line either but
the sigline appears automatically after I post)
--
http://www.andrys.com
John Harrington
> On Mar 7, 7:20 pm, spam.for....@buerotiger.de (Peter Lemken) wrote:
>
> > johnlewisgr...@sympatico.ca wrote:
> > > Opportunism, in a word, which if I were a Catholic would not be unlike
> > > a mortal sin.
> > > in that regard, don't you think?
>
> suggest that we can completely divest ourselves individually, much
> less as a species, of opportunism. Having said that, we're talking
> about rank opportunism, which is as you say truly despicable.
Simply being a decent person is not "perfection".
J
Andrys Basten
>
>Berlin
Peter and Wayne,
I stand corrected. My first note DID somehow have all the
previous post dangling below it. That is pretty obnoxious.
It was my 2nd note that had nothing trailing :-)
Thanks, Wayne, for the follow-up on that.
Peter Lemken
>
> "Peter Lemken" <spam.f...@buerotiger.de> wrote in message
>> johnlew...@sympatico.ca wrote:
>>
>>> Jesus Murphy!
>>
>> And it took you hundreds of lines of quoting to make that point.
>>
>> How infantile.
>>
>
> You appear to be obsessed with this.
And your problem with that is?
Peter Lemken
Berlin
Andrys Basten
Ernst quoted only WB-C's portion re the earlier invite date
that you couldn't make.
It's obvious WB-C was gambling when he wrote those notes to
you !, and Ernst's quoting of it is from january 22 before
the hoax broke and he'd had no (or little) reason, he thought,
to suspect WB-C yet.
I'm requoting it here so I can reference both notes
for the Hatto-ref page in one thread. It matches dates from
WB-C's later note that you posted. It's not the whole note,
but it's all we've got on the newsgroup.
Part of your posted May 1, 2006 note from WB-C:
>Change of venue to Cirencester & confirmation of earlier invitations
> From: "william" <**@**com>
> To: "Peter Lemken" <**@**.de>
>
>Dear Herr Lemken,
>Thank you for your letter and I certainly envy your long holiday!
>
>I am not sure that my original letter was "elaborate" but simply an
>unequivocal offer inviting you to Cambridge in order to lay low most, if
>not quite all, the unpleasant, spiteful, and manifestly untrue comments and
>allegations that have been appearing on various internet groups . . .
>
>It was a pity that you were not able to accept my previous offer but I will
>certainly try to accommodate you when you travel to England in August.
The earlier March 4th excerpt posted by Ernst with WB-C's
permission and, little doubt, his encouragement, follows and
shows what a gambler WB-C was, with these communications with
you:
=== Quote of W-BC note of March 4 excerpt ===
Miss Hatto accordingly would be happy to meet you in Cambridge
and talk over with you any aspect of her playing, teaching, or
recording work that you care to raise. She would be equally
pleased to discuss with you any aspect of piano technique
either with regard to your own playing or her own. She feels
that as she has made great personal efforts to make herself
available in recent months to a group of writers and musical
journalists from various parts of the world then you should
have a similar opportunity. Alternatively. you might care to
attend an editing session and discuss her recordings with one
of the technicians responsible for so many of her sessions.
In addition, whilst you are in Cambridge, I would be able to
show you the recording facilities that we [sic] available.
Furthermore, if your time should permit, I would be very happy
to arrange for you to visit a 'non-existent' church in Croydon
and speak with the priest in charge of it. That would occupy a
full day going from Cambridge but I would do my very best to
accompany you myself or provide a member of staff to accompany
you.
If your time schedule allows you. Miss Hatto would raise no
objections to my inviting you to one of her recording sessions
but, as she is recovering from recent medical treatment this
is not likely to be for about six weeks. At the present time
she is working on the Haydn Sonatas but she is also preparing
the Max Reger Telemann Variations and Fugue and the complete
Wagner-Liszt transcriptions. It is possible that you would be
more interested in this repertoire."
======= End of excerpt from WB-C
That was quite a lot to be "working on" while recovering
from recent medical treatment !
On the other hand, she did die late June, from what we're
told. So, it's sad all the way around, as Andrew Clarke says.
And as Denis Dutton put it in the NY Times, he's sure
that Clyde did love Bonnie. And in this case, the counterpart
is alone now, after the 50+ years together, and in a mess of
his own making, to handle it alone. It is just the most
curious and, I do think, sad story.
I'm amazed at the whole thing and also at the elaborate
effort he went through when writing you.
- Andrys
Norman M. Schwartz
"Andrys Basten" <and...@panix.com> wrote in message
news:eso9nu$6bj$1...@reader2.panix.com...
Top or bottom, no difference. One has to wade through it all to see if
anything new has been added.
Norman M. Schwartz
"Andrew Clarke" <a...@cts.canberra.edu.au> wrote in message
news:1173323285.4...@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
consideration.
> Andrew Clarke
> Canberra
>
Sacqueboutier
> On Mar 7, 5:44 pm, "John Harrington" <bearti...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Note the same notes of quiet pride, wounded dignity, and gentlemanly
>> reserve that many of the asshats on this very group employ as a
>> [transparent] rhetorical trick while unashamedly continuing with their
>> villainy of, e.g., supporting preemptive warfare and even proposing
>> genocide. I'm sure WB-C would never use profanity either.
>>
>> J
>
> A bit of a leap, don't you think? I mean, we don't know where he
> stood politically. The worst assholes in the world can be liberal,
> socialist, communist, or fascist. I mean, you never really know, do
> you?
>
> JG
In fact, Harrington is a perfect case in point.
--
I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous.
Peter Lemken
> However, did you have Barrington-Coupe's permission to make the
> contents of his e-mail public ?
No. I expect him to sue me soon.
Matthew B. Tepper
to be typed in news:9h20v2l6ve2jgsn0a...@4ax.com:
> spam.f...@buerotiger.de (Peter Lemken) - 7 Mar 2007 21:53:26 GMT in
> rec.music.classical.recordings:
>
>> And you needed to quote all this to make a two-liner "point"?
>
> Of course he didn't, and there are many others here who don't know how
> to quote properly.
>
> However, did you have Barrington-Coupe's permission to make the
> contents of his e-mail public ?
No, but he did have permission from Laszlo Simon. ;--)
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My personal home page -- http://home.earthlink.net/~oy/index.html
My main music page --- http://home.earthlink.net/~oy/berlioz.html
Matthew B. Tepper
following letters to be typed in news:c7UHh.6$Sf...@newsfe12.lga:
> Top or bottom, no difference. One has to wade through it all to see if
> anything new has been added.
Xnews has a "Skip Quoted Text" button which lets you do exactly that.
Matthew B. Tepper
letters to be typed in news:2007030808590116807-nospam@nocomspamcastnet:
> In fact, Harrington is a perfect case in point.
Of disassociation from reality? I quite agree.
norman...@comcast.net
> ****
>
> Change of venue to Cirencester & confirmation of earlier invitations
> From: "william" <**@**com>
> To: "Peter Lemken" <**@**.de>
>
> Dear Herr Lemken,
> Thank you for your letter and I certainly envy your long holiday!
>
> I am not sure that my original letter was "elaborate" but simply an
> unequivocal offer inviting you to Cambridge in order to lay low most, if
> not
> quite all, the unpleasant, spiteful, and manifestly untrue comments and
> these, you will remember, originated from your goodself. As these
> appeared,
> however, under your own name I accepted this as a sign of your good faith
> and continue to do so. In addition, because of your musical background
> and
> previous experience in concert management and agency work, I have made an
> effort to be of assistance. As to "eloquence" I am, after all, writing in
> my
> native tongue and I doubt if you would have complimented me had I been
> writing in German. Any accolade in this direction writing to me in such
> perfect English belongs rightly to you!
>
> It was a pity that you were not able to accept my previous offer but I
> will
> certainly try to accommodate you when you travel to England in August.
> you give me definite dates I will do my best to organise things for you.
> As
> it happens, I have some close relatives living just outside Cirencester
> and
> we fairly frequently spend time with them. It would be convenient for my
> wife too as, with her many sided problems, staying in hotels, even in the
> comfort of the Fleece, is rather difficult for her. Although her health
> has
> been deteriorating a little in the past three months and giving additional
> cause for anxiety she will certainly make every effort to meet you.
>
> I expect that you will have seen the allegations that appeared just
> recently
> on the internet stating that my wife had never played at all in Poland or
> Russia. This was stated to be a fact after "extensive" investigations. My
> own lawyers investigations showed that the email address of the writer was
> bogus and the allegations have now been removed from the site. However,
> this
> new development caused the need to search files and seek out original
> Contracts, Posters, Programmes, Leaflets, press comments and notices to
> prove the truth. Going back fifty years in the attic is time absorbing and
> very tiring . I mention this only to let you know that this information is
> available, sans mice, for you to inspect should this be of added interest
> for your article. I can post you, if you let me have your address, some of
> the originals if you wish to subject them to laboratory investigation.
> Carbon tested if you wish! Although I think that this would not be quite
> as
> conclusive.
>
> Now, I turn to the matter of René Kohler, the man who you have quite
> openly
> declared to be "non existent". A sort of "Man who Never Was" a British
> Counter-Intelligence ploy that so successfully fooled German Intelligence
> Services in the last war. Had you been able to come to Cambridge my
> solicitors had available prepared "Depositions" or sworn legal documents
> by
> orchestral musicians who took part in various recording sessions. These
> can
> assuredly be made available again and, once I have the dates of your
> visit,
> I will investigate the possibility of transferring "certified" copies to
> another solicitor, who also acts for my cousin, in Cirencester.
>
> Dr. Robert Simpson, Head of BBC Third Programmes, was very interested in
> René Kohler and had several meetings with him. I am now trying to get in
> touch with a BBC producer who attended a recording session as a kind of
> preliminary "audition". I would be prepared to pay his expenses but it
> would
> probably be cheaper to make an arrangement to meet him in London. I will
> have my solicitor make the necessary arrangements and provide the
> necessary
> undertakings that no bribe or inducement (as you have asserted took place
> in
> the case of various critics) has been offered or accepted. All this takes
> up so much time but I hope it proves helpful in the end.
>
> Unfortunately, I have no documentation in the form of birth certificates,
> death certificates, undertakers accounts, bank statements, rent books,
> hotel
> accounts. Simply as there has been no reason why these should ever have
> been
> in my possession. In drafting this letter, however, I have been reminded
> by
> my secretary that Mr. Kohler stayed for a few days at the University Arms
> Hotel in Cambridge and that we settled his account there. Way back in the
> eighties this very well known hotel was "family" owned. Now, due to the
> reluctance of the son to spend his life in the hotelier business, it was
> sold to the "De Vere" Hotel Group. I have now requested our Accountants
> and
> Auditors to check this out with the new owners. My solicitors have also
> been
> asked to investigate the position and make arrangements with the hotel for
> you to inspect the Hotel Register. In this instance it would be necessary
> for you to come to Cambridge. I can't imagine that the hotel would sallow
> the Register to be shipped to Cirencester but we can try!
>
> I am quite sure that your own experience would tell you that there could
> be
> no reason why I would have any of the documents that you refer to. I have
> made some inquiries to three other record companies concerning artists (
> all
> dead) who recorded for them. These include a prestigious German Company,
> but
> none of them have been able to give ANY of the information such you have
> asked from us.
>
> Although I am unable to give you the specific information that you
> request.
> Such information as I do possess has been made available to a 'bonafide'
> musical historian. Even in this case I have not given information that has
> not been previously authorised by René's existing and living family.
> Unfortunately, We revealed, unauthorised, that René as a young boy (eight
> or
> ten years of age) was given six weeks shelter in Krakow in 1936. Since
> then,
> I have been given to understand privately that the University received
> three
> inquiries. An inquiry in person by somebody posing as a relation and
> making
> inquiries about any "known" family triggered some alarm bells and has been
> noted by Jewish Intelligence. I have also been informed that information
> going back to 1935/36 is not fully documented and that the University
> could
> not state unequivocally who stayed as a "guest" in the University at that
> time. Somebody being "sheltered" would not appear on University Records as
> the responsibility would be a solely personal one.
>
> However, I am trying to be helpful in this matter. I understand that the
> family lived in the Weimar region and René was born there. I am fairly
> certain that he travelled on Swiss Travel documents. He was also a friend
> of
> the German Conductor Erich Reide (Nuremberg Opera) who, I believe, might
> still be alive. Herr Reide, I believe, did give a recommendation to a
> Nuremburg orchestra. Could this have been the Nuremburg Symphony
> Orchestra?
> I am writing today to a good friend in Germany who mentioned to me some
> while back that he has been speaking to Herr Reide. If I can come up with
> anything here I will certainly put you in touch. Although Kohler is not
> his
> "Getragener" name it was a subsequently adopted name and, on advice, I am
> informed, he did this legally in Germany when he was hopeful of getting a
> position with the Opera in East Berlin. It is possible that with your
> connections and influence you would be allowed access to search through
> existing records there. He also had some correspondence with NWDR and they
> may also be of some assistance to you. We were asked to send some recorded
> material to Hamburg so it would seem to be obvious that there was some
> interest there or that they were not wishing to appear unsympathetic.
>
> All this takes a very great amount of time and I have tried to be of
> assistance and certainly not obstructive. As an interesting and final
> footnote I can tell you that we are in touch with a young relative (great
> nephew) of René's family (through the brothers line) now safely settled in
> Israel. The youngster is a musician and a budding conductor who has being
> drawing some attention. We are trying to make arrangements to bring him to
> London when he has finished his National Service in the Israeli Army. We
> have offered recordings with Joyce Hatto, if she is still able to
> undertake
> such a commitment, and have offered to finance a career launch at the
> Royal
> Festival Hall with as many members of the original National
> Philharmonic-Symphony Orchestra as can be reassembled for recording and
> some
> concert appearances.
>
> With kind regards,
>
> W.H.Barrington-Coupe
> Concert Artist Recordings
>
> ****
Frank Berger
"TareeDawg" <rayt...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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Frank Berger
> Frank Berger <frank.d...@dal.frb.org> wrote:
>>
>> "Peter Lemken" <spam.f...@buerotiger.de> wrote in message
>> news:5591ouF...@mid.individual.net...
>>> johnlew...@sympatico.ca wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jesus Murphy!
>>>
>>> And it took you hundreds of lines of quoting to make that point.
>>>
>>> How infantile.
>>>
>>
>> You appear to be obsessed with this.
>
> And your problem with that is?
>
I'm concerned for your mental health. Shouldn't I be?
Peter Lemken
Try trimming posts.
Gerard
Hč, hč. That will set the focus on the last thread (unless you open the post).
Peter Lemken
> I'm concerned for your mental health. Shouldn't I be?
No. You should be concerned about the mental health of those who have to
read malformed, misattributed and simply ugly looking postings.
Peter Lemken
> "Norman M. Schwartz" <nm...@optonline.net> appears to have caused the
> following letters to be typed in news:c7UHh.6$Sf...@newsfe12.lga:
>
>> Top or bottom, no difference. One has to wade through it all to see if
>> anything new has been added.
>
> Xnews has a "Skip Quoted Text" button which lets you do exactly that.
Every decent newsreader has this feature called an editor that lets you trim
postings in a senseful way and doesn't burden the readership with obnoxious,
mindless quotings.
John Harrington
> EM <e-m-e-m-e-m-...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > However, did you have Barrington-Coupe's permission to make the
> > contents of his e-mail public ?
>
> No. I expect him to sue me soon.
LOL!
J
Frank Berger
> Frank Berger <frank.d...@dal.frb.org> wrote:
>
>> I'm concerned for your mental health. Shouldn't I be?
>
> No. You should be concerned about the mental health of those who have to
> read malformed, misattributed and simply ugly looking postings.
>
Have you determined that all the people who you have subjected to your
verbal abuse are habitual offenders? Or do you think one-time or occasional
offenders deserve the same treatment as true abusers? Just wondering.
Matthew B. Tepper
following letters to be typed in news:55b29bF...@mid.individual.net:
That's very true. It's too bad that some people aren't using decent
newsreaders; they're using Google Groups, and haven't taken the trouble to
learn how to trim their posts manually.
I forgot to mention -- Xnews even has a feature which warns you if your
post contains too much quoted text, I think 80%.
Peter Lemken
Are you saying that malformed, misattributed and simply ugly looking
postings are a pleasure to read or what kind of case are you trying to
fight?
Frank Berger
You criticism has been out of proportion to the offense. You have been
rude.
Gerard
>
> You criticism has been out of proportion to the offense. You have
> been rude.
It's a real consolation to know that you've never been such a bad person.
Matthew B. Tepper
Frank Berger
"Matthew B. Tepper" <oy兀earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Guys, guys! SAVE IT FOR THE ENEMY!
>
Why do you mindlessly fail to quote *any* of the earlier thread to provide
context for your comment?
:-)
Andrew Clarke
>
> not wanting to descend into the obvious, but he comes across like a lowermiddleclass twit with a little education and a lot of nerve.
> (You know, what the British Empire was, in part, built on.) But I
> don't like to assign "types" until all the evidence is in. And I'm
> not sure we'll ever get all the evidence.
Well, I must say I was led to believe that all twits were upper-class
-- the usual presumption being that anyone born with a title and
inherited money is necessarily stupid. Anyway, let's get a planeload
of lower middle-class twits and send them to Zimbabwe, where they
might be able to do something about the 1000% inflation and perhaps
produce something for Zimbabweans to eat.
I don't know about your part of Canada, John, but Australia was
developed largely by
(a) militia officers who, having lines of credit, were able to set
themselves up as graziers
(b) descendants of transported convicts (not so many as you'd think in
percentage terms)
(c) young tradesmen or professionals who were prepared to work bloody
hard in rough conditions in order to find greater opportunities (and
who had enough capital to fund the voyage out)
(d) a multitude of Britons, Sicilians, Calabrians, Greeks, Yugoslavs
etc., who came out in the 1950s and 1960s and were also prepared to
work bloody hard in rough conditions in order to find greater
opportunities for themselves and their families, not to mention decent
living conditions and a decent diet.
They really don't sound like twits to me, nor do they sound like Mr
Barrington-Coupe. There's a big difference IMHO between opportunism
and finding opportunities.
I don't know what social class WBC belongs to, nor precisely what his
motives were. He sounds to me like someone who's been in a world of
his own for quite a while (see also the WBC articles in Classics
Today). But then, I could be wrong.
Andrew Clarke, LMCT
Canberra
Steve de Mena
> Did Google Groups change its formatting or something so that people
> don't realize they are doing it? That'd account for some of it.
>
> wr
I don't use Google Groups much but I know when
reading it hides many of the original posts (you
have to click "Original" or "More" to see the
entire post, it is possible when you reply it
hides all of that also.
Steve
Steve de Mena
> I post via unix news reader 'trn' and can easily delete the
> entire note before responding, which I did. Wasn't posting through
> Google.
>
> But Google's archive seems to have added the note. I think that people
> who receive messages through normal news-server readers like the one I use
> did not see any trailing stuff on mine (I'd hope).
Hi,
I saw the entire post with your reply on top (top
posted). I read news via Giganews (not via
Google). No biggie, sounds like there was some
technical glitch.
Steve
Steve de Mena
> spam.f...@buerotiger.de (Peter Lemken) appears to have caused the
> following letters to be typed in news:55b29bF...@mid.individual.net:
>
>> Matthew B. Tepper <oy?@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> "Norman M. Schwartz" <nm...@optonline.net> appears to have caused the
>>> following letters to be typed in news:c7UHh.6$Sf...@newsfe12.lga:
>>>
>>>> Top or bottom, no difference. One has to wade through it all to see if
>>>> anything new has been added.
>>> Xnews has a "Skip Quoted Text" button which lets you do exactly that.
>> Every decent newsreader has this feature called an editor that lets you
>> trim postings in a senseful way and doesn't burden the readership with
>> obnoxious, mindless quotings.
>
> That's very true. It's too bad that some people aren't using decent
> newsreaders; they're using Google Groups, and haven't taken the trouble to
> learn how to trim their posts manually.
>
> I forgot to mention -- Xnews even has a feature which warns you if your
> post contains too much quoted text, I think 80%.
Does it have a feature where it tells you if you
repeat the same story more than five times?
...just joking!
Steve
ne...@thump.org
wrote:
>University Arms hotel = Fawlty Towers?
No. Best hotel in Cantab.
ne...@thump.org
wrote:
>>Who plays Manuel in this story?
>
>Don't mind him, he's from Barcelona.
Que ?