Ivan the Terrible - versions
CharlesSmith
Terrible? I have Muti and the Philharmonia (comes in the box with the
Previn LSO Nevsky), but this is the Stasevich oratorio arrangement,
and omits much of the music. I'm aware there is a Fedoseyev
Tchaikovsky SO recording of the complete film score, but reviews and
the samples I've found suggest this is a rather lacklustre
performance. Alternatively there is a Jarvi 'concert scenario', but is
this complete in terms of Prokofiev's music?
Any other ideas? The bottom line is that I fear that the alternatives
won't match the explosive raw brilliance of Muti and the Philharmonia.
Charles
Dave Cook
> Can anyone advise on versions/recordings of Prokofiev's Ivan the
> Terrible? I have Muti and the Philharmonia (comes in the box with the
> Previn LSO Nevsky), but this is the Stasevich oratorio arrangement,
> and omits much of the music. I'm aware there is a Fedoseyev
> Tchaikovsky SO recording of the complete film score, but reviews and
> the samples I've found suggest this is a rather lacklustre
> performance.
Slatkin did an excellent one disc selection without narration. You
can get it on Vox or pay through the nose for a Mobile Fidelity disc
(and there's even an in-print Lp).
I think any Prokofiev fan will want the Fedoseyev set anyway. I
wouldn't call it lackluster, but it's not at Muti temperature, and not
every number included in the set is interesting.
> Alternatively there is a Jarvi 'concert scenario', but is
> this complete in terms of Prokofiev's music?
I'll check my ARGs to see what they (probably Vroon, though) say about
it.
Dave Cook
Jerry
My recommendation would be with the Gergiev/Rotterdam on Philips
456 645-2. The sound is first-class and the peformance
invigorating. It's the standard Stasevich performing
version without narration.
The Jarvi version (also without narration)
is a Palmer reconstruction, but I'm not sure
whether it's "complete" or not. The Jarvi
timing is 59:06 compared to Gergiev's
64:50. Close.
The Fedoseyev/Nimbus (as noted elsewhere) is about
as "complete" as one would want since it's an
attempt to recreate the film score, including
lithurgical epidodes not composed by Prokofiev.
About the only version I would recommend
AGAINST buying is the Rostropovich on Sony,
which is ruined (IMHO) by a heavily emoted
English translation. The Muti is probably
the best option if you prefer a Russian
narration. [Interesting that the Slatkin/
St. Louis on Vox was released on LP with
Russian narration, but the CD omits the
narration.] There is an English-
translation version (also of the Stasevich
version) with Slatkin/BBC on Warner 61549-2.
Jerry
Roland van Gaalen
CharlesSmith <sigma....@ntlworld.com> schreef:
How about this version (excerpt):
ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y17JfkAsXvg&feature=related
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Roland van Gaalen
Amsterdam
R.P.vanGaalenATchello.nl
CharlesSmith
> CharlesSmith <sigma.onl...@ntlworld.com> schreef:
Thanks. Well yes, that's certainly raw and exciting, but I can only
tolerate the sound quality because it's part of the ethos of the film.
What I'm hoping for is to hear the music in modern sound, as written
by Prokofiev rather than as re-arranged by Stasevich. It's clear from
the info provided by Dave Cook and Jerry that Fedoseyev is the only
real option, so I've sent for it.
Charles
boombox
. It's clear from
> the info provided by Dave Cook and Jerry that Fedoseyev is the only
> real option, so I've sent for it.
>
The Polyansky on Chandos also non-Stasevich, similar in construction
to the Fedoseyev, I think, with all the cues from the film, the
Prokofiev and the church music that was used.
Dave Cook
> The Polyansky on Chandos also non-Stasevich, similar in construction
> to the Fedoseyev, I think, with all the cues from the film, the
> Prokofiev and the church music that was used.
I wasn't aware of the Polyansky, but I don't think Charles will be
disappointed with the Fedoseyev. I hadn't listened to this on my new
system before today and was bowled over again by the quality fo the
sound and playing. The "Tchaikovsky Philharmonic" must be a bunch of
ringers. The low brass are particularly impressive. The chorus and
solo singers are excellent, too.
Dave Cook
CharlesSmith
I certainly intend to test drive the Fedoseyev (now somewhere in the
Christmas post) before considering Polyansky. I had assumed
Fedoseyev's orchestra was the Tchaikovsky SO, the new version of the
old Moscow Radio SO.
Looking at the Polyansky samples on Amazon I don't see the liturgy
numbers (not Prokofiev in any case), and I am also aware that it's in
that big over-resonant sound that characterises the same team's
recording of the 2nd symphony, which doesn't encourage me.
Charles
Dave Cook
> I certainly intend to test drive the Fedoseyev (now somewhere in the
> Christmas post) before considering Polyansky. I had assumed
> Fedoseyev's orchestra was the Tchaikovsky SO, the new version of the
> old Moscow Radio SO.
My apologies. Tchaikovsky *SO* it is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tchaikovsky_Symphony_Orchestra_of_Moscow_Radio
Dave Cook