Neglected British Composers Pt 1

[flossie]

Hi All,
Thought you might like this as an example of another neglected
composer being rescued by the power of the 'net'.
http://big10inchrecord.blogspot.com/2009/12/on-twelfth-day.html
Hope it works, and Big 10-Inch Record also has some Vaughan Williams
film music, a Rawsthorne piano concerto, and Barbirolli conducting a
superb Rubbra symphony.
Kind regards (and a Merry Christmas) to all

[Mike]

Even though the British music magazines will go on for many, many
pages extolling the magnificent genius behind just about any Elgar or
Vaughan-Williams composition, however trivial, I really wonder if
there are any British composers after Purcell (and Haydn and JC Bach,
sort of) who don't deserve to be neglected even more than they already
supposedly are.

[Mike]

"and Haydn and JC Bach,
sort of"

and, of course, Handel

[Matthew�B.�Tepper]

Mike <opera...@hotmail.com> appears to have caused the following letters to
be typed in news:b5be89c6-2149-4ff7-88e0-141767b047e8
@f20g2000vbl.googlegroups.com:

> "and Haydn and JC Bach, sort of"
>
> and, of course, Handel

And such as W. A. Mozart, Berlioz, and Jimi Hendrix, temporarily.

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[CharmNick]

Oh, dear, oh, dear...

Elgar, Britten, Tippett, deservedly neglected? I'm no chauvinist (not
fully British by descent, upbringing or inclination) but I'm happy to
trumpet to anyone wth ears to hear that these three, closely followed
by Vaughan Williams and Holst, are very, very great composers.

By all means bash Britain - be my guest, it's a shithole - but please
don't be intellectually dishonest.

N

[a_a_a]

CharmNick wrote:

> Elgar, Britten, Tippett, deservedly neglected?

Regrettably, Britten and Tippett are not deservedly neglected, but they
should be.

>I'm no chauvinist (not
> fully British by descent, upbringing or inclination) but I'm happy to
> trumpet to anyone wth ears to hear that these three, closely followed
> by Vaughan Williams and Holst, are very, very great composers.

If they had been anything but British, nobody would even know about them
now.

[Rugby]

On Dec 21, 5:26 am, a_a_a <a...@a.a.net> wrote:

> If they had been anything but British, nobody would even know about them
> now.

Ah, yes, and if Faure had been Swedish and Balakirev from the Japan,
etc....

Rugby

[Bob Lombard]

Rugby wrote:
> On Dec 21, 5:26 am, a_a_a <a...@a.a.net> wrote:
>
>> If they had been anything but British, nobody would even know about them
>> now.
>

> Ah, yes, and if Faure had been Swedish [snip]

There's an interesting thought. If Faur� had lived in Sweden he
probably wouldn't have been influenced by Franck, and may have
influenced the Swedish turn-of-the-century composers. It's one of
those alternate universe things.

bl

[Rugby]

On Dec 21, 1:53 pm, Bob Lombard <thorsteinnos...@vermontel.net> wrote
> There's an interesting thought. If Fauré had lived in Sweden he

> probably wouldn't have been influenced by Franck, and may have
> influenced the Swedish turn-of-the-century composers. It's one of
> those alternate universe things.
>

Yes, and interesting to hear his Nocturnes from a land of midnight
sun.

I'm still irritated to learn in this thread that the music of
Elgar,Vaughan
Williams,Alwyn,Britten,Walton,Bowen,Tippett,Bliss,Harty,Finzi is
really second-rate as I bought cd's of 5 or 6 of them in 2009 thinking
they were pretty good.Damn !

Rugby

[Matthew�B.�Tepper]

Bob Lombard <thorste...@vermontel.net> appears to have caused the

following letters to be typed in

news:RlQXm.418578$BL3.3...@en-nntp-08.dc1.easynews.com:

Indeed -- imagine if there had been a Danish composer who studied with
Berlioz. Oh, wait....

[Doug McDonald]

Rugby wrote:

> I'm still irritated to learn in this thread that the music of
> Elgar,Vaughan
> Williams,Alwyn,Britten,Walton,Bowen,Tippett,Bliss,Harty,Finzi is
> really second-rate as I bought cd's of 5 or 6 of them in 2009 thinking
> they were pretty good.Damn !
>

Just be glad its not third, fourth, or fifth rate. Come to think of it,
some of those names are worse than second rate. But none of them are
Beethoven, Wagner, Debussy, Bartok, or Stravinsky.

Doug McDonald

[Bob Lombard]

Rugby wrote:
> On Dec 21, 1:53 pm, Bob Lombard <thorsteinnos...@vermontel.net> wrote

>> There's an interesting thought. If Faur� had lived in Sweden he

>> probably wouldn't have been influenced by Franck, and may have
>> influenced the Swedish turn-of-the-century composers. It's one of
>> those alternate universe things.
>>
>
>
> Yes, and interesting to hear his Nocturnes from a land of midnight
> sun.
>
> I'm still irritated to learn in this thread that the music of
> Elgar,Vaughan
> Williams,Alwyn,Britten,Walton,Bowen,Tippett,Bliss,Harty,Finzi is
> really second-rate as I bought cd's of 5 or 6 of them in 2009 thinking
> they were pretty good.Damn !
>
> Rugby

Yeah, well 2nd rate isn't third rate. Seems like Beacham complained on
one occasion, wondering why orchestras were importing 2rd rate
European conductors when there were plenty of 'us 2nd rate British
conductors' on the ground.

bl

[number_six]

And if Ronald Binge had been Russian, he might have been purged.

[Rugby]

On Dec 21, 3:06 pm, Doug McDonald

<mcdon...@scs.uiuc.edu.remove.invalid> wrote:
. But none of them are
> Beethoven, Wagner, Debussy, Bartok, or Stravinsky.
>

You mean thank god none of them are another Wagner.

Stravinsky in the same breath as Debussy,Beethoven ?! And
Walton,Elgar,Britten,Vaughan Williams not in Stravinsky's league ?
Damn !

Regards, Rugby