What's the Simplest Masterpiece?
number_six
Bach's Prelude in C Major?
Satie's Vexations (short but perhaps not so simple)?
Ravel's Bolero?
Some strophic folk song whose origin is unknown?
A certain "composition" by Mr. Cage is disqualified right out of the
gate.
Matthew�B.�Tepper
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Chopin Prelude in c minor?
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Ward Hardman
> What is the simplest composition that you would call a masterpiece?
>
> Bach's Prelude in C Major?
> Satie's Vexations (short but perhaps not so simple)?
> Ravel's Bolero?
> Some strophic folk song whose origin is unknown?
How about a Latin hymn from the 13th century,
only 29 notes per verse, "Dies Irae" (Day of Wrath).
The number of composers using it in their own music
(Berlioz, Liszt, Rachmaninoff, etc.) testifies to its
distinction.
It would probably be an interesting theme even if it
did not have the association of appearing in the
Requiem Mass.
--Ward Hardman
"The older I get, the more I admire and crave competence,
just simple competence, in any field from adultery to zoology."
- H.L. Mencken
SG
Dies Irae, in its bare form, is an excellent choice - didn't think
about it.
I would add a certain Bach (or Bach-attributed) Minuet, in C Minor,
the one where the RH starts in quarter-notes "C C D Eb Eb F . . ."
Also Schumann Traumerei, Tchaikovsky's "children" piece "In Church",
Schnittke's Sanctus from his Requiem, Arvo Part's Fur Alina, Brahms'
Wiegenlied, Debussy's La fille aux cheveux de lin, well, the list can
continue quite a bit...
regards,
SG
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Beethoven: Fuer Elise (But the suggested Bach is surely excellent)
Folk song: "Greensleeves" (yes, origin apparently unknown)
Nice question. Thanks.
Don Tait
Gerard
> What is the simplest composition that you would call a masterpiece?
>
> Bach's Prelude in C Major?
> Satie's Vexations (short but perhaps not so simple)?
> Ravel's Bolero?
> Some strophic folk song whose origin is unknown?
Gershwin: Promenade (walking the dog).
Tchaikovsky: Marcia (Marche fun�bre, from Hamlet incidental music).
David Oberman
<cybe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>What is the simplest composition that you would call a masterpiece?
>
>Bach's Prelude in C Major?
>Satie's Vexations (short but perhaps not so simple)?
>Ravel's Bolero?
>Some strophic folk song whose origin is unknown?
Difficult to say, in part because notions like "simple" & "complex"
are largely subjective.
The miniatures that make up Ravel's MA MERE L'OYE -- a genuine
masterpiece, I think -- have more or less simple structures,
arrangements, & harmonic progressions.
Of course, even the simplest masterpiece in technical terms has depth
& complexity in so many other ways.
Matthew�B.�Tepper
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> Dies Irae, in its bare form, is an excellent choice - didn't think
> about it.
What about "L'homme arm�," then?
HvT
Brahms Op. 39/5
Henk
HvT
--> P[. 39/9!!!!!
>
> Henk
Mike
> What is the simplest composition that you would call a masterpiece?
Tempered Clavier and Cello Suite #6
Matthew�B.�Tepper
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5, or 15?
Sol L. Siegel
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> Gershwin: Promenade (walking the dog).
The last thing he wrote!
--
- Sol L. Siegel, Philadelphia, PA USA
Rugby
"Secreto" from Mompou's "Impresionas Intimas".
Chopin, Prelude,Op.28, # 1.
Scriabin,Prelude,Op.22,#1
Rugby
Kip Williams
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>> Gershwin: Promenade (walking the dog).
>
> The last thing he wrote!
That's hard to determine, with all the sketches he left, but that honor
is often given to "Our Love is Here to Stay." Newly found pieces
(sometimes finished or put in order by other hands after his death) keep
turning up.
It seems, though, that it was the last of his 'concert' pieces that he
was able to see performed, as the movie it was in came out two months
before his untimely death.
Kip W
The Historian
Grieg's Holberg Suite.
Ravel's Tombeau de Couperin.
Saint-Saen's "The Swan"
William Sommerwerck
interesting -- and a masterpiece.
RobD
How about Beethoven's song "Marmotte"? It's very short (half a
minute). Althugh it's very different from his large-scale
compositions, it sticks in the mind annoyingly!
Roland van Gaalen
> What is the simplest composition that you would call a masterpiece?
>
Perhaps a stirring hymn such as A Mighty Fortress?
No, religion is passe
So it must be Oh God Our Help in Ages Past!!!
--
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Matthew�B.�Tepper
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> Canon in D, by Pachelbel.
EWWWW!
Bob Lombard
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>> Canon in D, by Pachelbel.
>
> EWWWW!
>
I wonder what test for 'masterpiece' is in use here. When I first
heard the MHS version of the Paco Bell Canon (on the radio, WQXR
maybe) I was enthralled.
The problem with a *simple* masterpiece is that it can get too
familiar too quickly.
bl
Gerard
> Matthew B. Tepper wrote:
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> > > Canon in D, by Pachelbel.
> >
> > EWWWW!
> >
>
> I wonder what test for 'masterpiece' is in use here. When I first
> heard the MHS version of the Paco Bell Canon (on the radio, WQXR
> maybe) I was enthralled.
>
Isn't that exactly what Tepper is saying?
Bob Lombard
"EWWWW!"? I think not.
bl
William Sommerwerck
> When I first heard the MHS version of the Paco Bell
> Canon (on the radio, WQXR maybe) I was enthralled.
As were most people. (The Vivalidi mandolin concerti produce a similar
effect.)
Nearly 40 years ago, when I was working at Stansbury Camera & Stereo, I
bought LPs from a dealer in the same shopping center. My salesman allowed me
to return LPs I didn't like -- to be shrinkwrapped and resold as new --
because he knew I had a good turntable setup (V15 III on a Dual 1229). (I
never did, though.)
Anyhow, he told me how he'd been infatuated with the Taco Bell Cannon. He'd
rush home every day to hear it -- until the infatuation suddenly stopped.
I had the same reaction -- loved it at first, until my love became
indifference. It's one of those works that eventually wears out its welcome.
The real question is why it's so initially seductive.
Gerard
Excellent Worthy W... W... Work.
What else?
If not so, he would have quacked.
Allen
everything Rachmaninoff wrote. It has even shown up in the school band
repertoire, being played at games as their team starts building what
seems an insurmountable lead. It is a very haunting theme for some of
us. Incidentally, my wife was getting ready to teach a class on some of
the minor prophets, including Zephaniah. As usual, she asked me to find
something from them that she could play, but she added "you probably
won't find anything from Zephaniah". I quickly scanned the text and told
her I could give her a year's worth if she wanted it. Considering the
length of time she wanted to use, we settled on Isle of the Dead and a
few other things, including the original chant--or perhaps one of many.
There are lots of others to consider, but offhand I can't think of any
others as short as the DI.
Allen
Bob Lombard
The rational brain gets bypassed - until multiple hearings have fused
the synapses.
:)
bl
Allen
> Great music, by definition, has some degree of complexity that makes it
> interesting -- and a masterpiece.
>
>
Elise? The theme is 15 notes that are very, very difficult to erase from
memory after hearing it.
Allen
Sol L. Siegel
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>> Canon in D, by Pachelbel.
>
> EWWWW!
>
Enjoyable when played at proper tempo and joined to the fugue, as opposed
to a major-key death march.
Bob Lombard
:) It's a vocal expression, not an acronym, Gerard. The 'quack' is
rather equivocal; I choose to interpret it as an expression of
incomprehension.
bl
David Oberman
<neil.the...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Ravel's Tombeau de Couperin.
Simple?
Consider the harmonic aspects alone of the Forlane movement, & its
chromaticism in the bass. How about the craftsmanship & the rhythmic
accents of the three-voice Fugue (which Marguerite Long refused to
play in performance because of the difficulty of memorizing it)? What
about the ornamental elements & embellishments required throughout the
suite? or the perpetuum mobile style--the intense animation--of the
Toccata, with its repeated notes, alternating chords & octaves, &
other technical difficulties?
The movements of the suite are brief, yes, but I don't think they're
simple.
David Oberman
<roberte...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>How about Beethoven's song "Marmotte"?
Good choice!
Puts me in mind of another Beethoven song that fits the bill: the
Opferlied (Op. 121b), which is harmonically & formalistically simple &
straightforward, but which is a masterpiece of emotional power &
stateliness.
Heck51
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> > Canon in D, by Pachelbel.
>
> EWWWW!>>
there'a no way that the "TacoBelle Canon" qualifies as a
masterpiece...not even close...
Gerard
> William Sommerwerck wrote:
> > Great music, by definition, has some degree of complexity that
> > makes it interesting -- and a masterpiece.
> >
> >
> Where is the stone that that is carved in? And has anyone mentioned
> Fur Elise?
Don Tait did, successfully :)
number_six
Many good ideas here, some are not familiar to me, so I have some
listening (and relistening!) to look forward to. Thanks to everyone.
There is no getting around the subjectivity -- in a given work, one
listener could find conceptual simplicity and another could find
emotional depth; one listener could hear a masterpiece, another could
say it's a dud. Subjectivity does not diminish the force of opinion
or belief, it only removes it from the realm of what we accept as
absolute -- and we tend to have much less fun discussing those things
that are already accepted as such.
So thanks again for the opinions!
Lee
Bill Anderson
> What is the simplest composition that you would call a masterpiece?
Not sure if these would qualify as masterpieces, but...
Elgar: Elegy for strings
Bach: Largo (2nd mvmt ) of Bach's Concerto in D minor for 2 violins
Bartok: Roumanian Folk Dances
- Bill
Rugby
> "Secreto" from Mompou's "Impresionas Intimas".
Here : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HpXMmLQNFw
Rugby
Rugby
> Scriabin,Prelude,Op.22,#1
>
And the Scriabin:
The Historian
> On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 22:01:38 -0800 (PST), The Historian
>
I meant the orchestral version, not the piano suite. It SOUNDS simple,
at least to me.
mark
> What is the simplest composition that you would call a masterpiece?
>
> Satie's Vexations (short but perhaps not so simple)?
> Ravel's Bolero?
> Some strophic folk song whose origin is unknown?
>
> gate.
I'm going to vote for something obvious:
Bach's Air for the G String from his Third Orchestral Suite. Surely
the writing counts as simplicity itself, and it is surely a
masterpiece by anyone's standards.
Take away our over familiarity with the piece and you'll see the logic
of my choice (it's not Bach's fault that the damn thing is so
popular!).
William Sommerwerck
Alan Cooper
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>>> Canon in D, by Pachelbel.
>>
>> EWWWW!
>>
>
> Enjoyable when played at proper tempo and joined to the fugue,
> as opposed to a major-key death march.
Yes, the MAK recording came as a revelation to me.
AC
Alan Cooper
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> On Dec 18, 9:30�pm, Rugby <steveha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "Secreto" from Mompou's "Impresionas Intimas".
>
>
> Here : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HpXMmLQNFw
Wonderful choice! Lots of Mompou would work, actually. I wans't going to contribute
to this thread, actually, but then I heard "Aase's Death" from Peer Gynt this morning
on the radio, and I thought, "That's it!"
AC
Kip Williams
of the trash), or Satie's first Gymnopedie. The short prelude in 3/4
time from Chopin's opus 28 maybe tops both of those in terms of being a
masterpiece acknowledged by all. I'm tempted to say Brahms's Lullaby,
but it's not as simple as the other three.
Kip W
Matthew�B.�Tepper
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"What violent emotions Pachelbel's sweet little Kanon continues to provoke!
It is now one of the most frequently recorded of all classical works, but
there are those of us who still can't quite understand what all the
shouting is about. At best, Pachelbel was a third-rate Baroque nonentity
who occasionally rose to the level of the second-rate in some of his organ
music. And though the Kanon was composed more than a century before
Napoleon showed the world what *really* heavy ordnance could do, it still
unquestionably qualifies as *large bore*. The compact disc is especially
useful, in that you can program the Kanon to repeat again and again, and
thus save yourself untold thousands of dollars by putting off that frontal
lobotomy you had planned."
-- Jim Svejda
Matthew�B.�Tepper
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How about Charles Ives' song "Ann Street"?
William Sommerwerck
>> indifference. It's one of those works that eventually wears out its
>> welcome. The real question is why it's so initially seductive.
> "What violent emotions Pachelbel's sweet little Kanon continues to
provoke!
> It is now one of the most frequently recorded of all classical works, but
> there are those of us who still can't quite understand what all the
> shouting is about. At best, Pachelbel was a third-rate Baroque nonentity
> who occasionally rose to the level of the second-rate in some of his organ
> music. And though the Kanon was composed more than a century before
> Napoleon showed the world what *really* heavy ordnance could do, it still
> unquestionably qualifies as *large bore*. The compact disc is especially
> useful, in that you can program the Kanon to repeat again and again, and
> thus save yourself untold thousands of dollars by putting off that frontal
> lobotomy you had planned."
I think Mr. Svejda is missing the point. One's initial liking of the Canon
has nothing to do with taste, and everything to do with the way it grabs
one's auditory neurons, for no obvious reason. And ultimately releases them,
again for no apparent reason.
MiNe 109
"William Sommerwerck" <grizzle...@comcast.net> wrote:
> I think Mr. Svejda is missing the point. One's initial liking of the Canon
> has nothing to do with taste, and everything to do with the way it grabs
> one's auditory neurons, for no obvious reason. And ultimately releases them,
> again for no apparent reason.
Also the basis for two very different derivative works: Decomposing
Composers by Monty Python; and "Three Variations on the Canon in D Major
by Johann Pachelbel" from Eno's Discreet Music.
Stephen
Andrej Kluge
MiNe 109 wrote:
> Also the basis for two very different derivative works: Decomposing
> Composers by Monty Python; and "Three Variations on the Canon in D
> Major by Johann Pachelbel" from Eno's Discreet Music.
I think it's about time to post that link again:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdxkVQy7QLM
Ciao
AK
Rugby
<grizzledgee...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > thus save yourself untold thousands of dollars by putting off that frontal
> > lobotomy you had planned."
>
Ah, reminds of my fav C&W song: "I'd rather have a bottle in front a'
me, than a frontal lobotomy."
And that then reminds me of the other : " The only stiff bone in your
body is mine."
Rugby
David Oberman
<oy�@earthlink.net> wrote:
>"What violent emotions Pachelbel's sweet little Kanon continues to provoke!
>It is now one of the most frequently recorded of all classical works, but
>there are those of us who still can't quite understand what all the
>shouting is about. At best, Pachelbel was a third-rate Baroque nonentity
>who occasionally rose to the level of the second-rate in some of his organ
>music. And though the Kanon was composed more than a century before
>Napoleon showed the world what *really* heavy ordnance could do, it still
>unquestionably qualifies as *large bore*. The compact disc is especially
>useful, in that you can program the Kanon to repeat again and again, and
>thus save yourself untold thousands of dollars by putting off that frontal
>lobotomy you had planned."
>
>-- Jim Svejda
Good ol' Jim! I remember hearing him once call Carl Maria von Weber a
crashing bore (apart from "Freisch�tz") & an imbecile for harshly
judging Beethoven.
I'm inclined to agree with his estimation of the Pachelbel Kanon,
although it's probably at this stage too difficult for me to hear it
"clearly"--cleaned of its encrustations of decades of use as
background music for yoga classes & self-actualization seminars, let
alone wedding processionals for the booboisie.
Let's face it: When we think Pachelbel's Kanon, we think PBS pledge
break.
Kip Williams
I always wanted to try a performance where, after all the voices are in,
another set starts in. The Pachelbel Canon Canon. Without Eno's time
tricks, just a straight add-on. If not two.
Kip W
Allen
especially from the place that used a little dog in its ads--ding dong.
Allen
Ward Hardman
> Ward Hardman wrote:
> > How about a Latin hymn from the 13th century,
> > only 29 notes per verse, "Dies Irae" (Day of Wrath).
>
> > The number of composers using it in their own music
> > (Berlioz, Liszt, Rachmaninoff, etc.) testifies to its
> > distinction.
>
> > It would probably be an interesting theme even if it
> > did not have the association of appearing in the
> > Requiem Mass.
>
> A friend once tole me that if you dig deep enough you will find itin
> everything Rachmaninoff wrote. It has even shown up in the school band
> repertoire, being played at games as their team starts building what
> seems an insurmountable lead. It is a very haunting theme for some of
> us. Incidentally, my wife was getting ready to teach a class on some of
> the minor prophets, including Zephaniah. As usual, she asked me to find
> something from them that she could play, but she added "you probably
> won't find anything from Zephaniah". I quickly scanned the text and told
> her I could give her a year's worth if she wanted it. Considering the
> length of time she wanted to use, we settled on Isle of the Dead and a
> few other things, including the original chant--or perhaps one of many.
>
> There are lots of others to consider, but offhand I can't think of any
> others as short as the DI.
> Allen
It's intriguing that Rachmaninoff found it so fascinating, it appears
in the Paganini Variations and Symphonic Dances, as well as the more
obvious places to employ it such as "I Love the Dead." SR was Russian
Orthodox wasn't he? How did he become so familiar with the "Dies
Irae"? By way of Liszt, perhaps???
--Ward Hardman
"The older I get, the more I admire and crave competence,
just simple competence, in any field from adultery to zoology."
- H.L. Mencken
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> number_six <cyberi...@hotmail.com> - Fri, 18 Dec 2009 11:27:50 -0800
> (PST):
>
> > What is the simplest composition that you would call a masterpiece?
>
> simplicity.
>
> EM
The question depends on a definition of 'simple', and that is anything
but simple.
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Until this is clarified, you're all wasting each other's time.
M.
Gerard
Not at all. This is a newsgroup, you know.
JohnGavin
When I think simplest, I think of single line pieces. One absolute
masterpiece IMO is the Sarabande from Bach's Suite for Unaccompanied
Flute. He reaches the depths of spirituality in that piece.
Then, some of Alfonso's Cantigas de Santa Maria are quite amazing -
"Rosa de Rosas" is just one example.
laraine
Chord progression also shows up in Couperin's
Barricades Mysterieuses and in the last mov't
of Beethoven's Pastoral Sonata... It really helps
to change the harmony rather than just
repeat it over and over.
C.
laraine
>
> > What is the simplest composition that you would call a masterpiece?
>
>
>
> Scriabin,Prelude,Op.22,#1
>
> Rugby
Lots of pieces called Prelude by Bach,
Chopin, Scriabin, could be called short
masterpieces, maybe not so simple.
C.
Matthew�B.�Tepper
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I can think of two more: Peter Schickele's "P.D.Q. Bach: WTWP Classical
Talkity-Talk Radio" (Telarc), a comedy CD about the travails of a public
radio station in the throes of dumbing-down, for which the ending theme
music is a version of the awful thing payed on Renaissance instruments by
an ensemble known as Calliope; and the theme and variations movement in
George Rochberg's String Quartet #6.
Matthew�B.�Tepper
news:AaqXm.89727$QH6....@newsfe28.ams2:
> And by 'masterpiece' we mean... er, what, exactly...?
>
> Until this is clarified, you're all wasting each other's time.
Each of us may have his or her own definition of "masterpiece." And that, in
fact, is part of the answers. I think the question is a delightful one, for
just that reason.
In other words, what do YOU think it means? And under your definition, what
music fits that description?
Matthew�B.�Tepper
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> Let's face it: When we think Pachelbel's Kanon, we think PBS pledge break.
Will I be misunderstood again if I repeat, "EWWWW!"?
O
Gerard <ghen_nospam_driksen�@hotmail.com> wrote:
Which guarantees we're all wasting time.
-Owen
Heck51
> I can think of two more: Peter Schickele's "P.D.Q. Bach: WTWP Classical
> Talkity-Talk Radio" (Telarc), a comedy CD about the travails of a public
> radio station in the throes of dumbing-down, for which the ending theme
> music is a version of the awful thing payed on Renaissance instruments by
> an ensemble known as Calliope; and the theme and variations movement in
> George Rochberg's String Quartet #6.
>
Calliope is a for-real, legitimate Renaissance music group, based in
New York City...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calliope_(Renaissance_band)
Peter Schickele wrote a great piece for them, which is accompanied by
full symphony orchestra - based on pictures by Pieter Brueghel, the
Elder..."Pictures of Brueghel", or "Impressions of.." - something like
that.
excellent piece - very challenging and effective.
The Historian
> In article <hgjbs1$tn...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> "William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgee...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > I think Mr. Svejda is missing the point. One's initial liking of the Canon
> > has nothing to do with taste, and everything to do with the way it grabs
> > one's auditory neurons, for no obvious reason. And ultimately releases them,
> > again for no apparent reason.
>
> Also the basis for two very different derivative works: Decomposing
> Composers by Monty Python; and "Three Variations on the Canon in D Major
> by Johann Pachelbel" from Eno's Discreet Music.
>
> Stephen
There's also a rap 'song' that uses the Canon - 'Vitamin C' is the
'artist.'
Allen
> David Oberman <DavidO...@att.net> appears to have caused the following
> letters to be typed in news:7ijqi5ls2o7fotm36...@4ax.com:
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>> Let's face it: When we think Pachelbel's Kanon, we think PBS pledge break.
>
> Will I be misunderstood again if I repeat, "EWWWW!"?
>
that. We get Wayne Dyer, the woman whose name blessedly escapes who
tells us about money, etc.
Allen
David Oberman
wrote:
>>> Let's face it: When we think Pachelbel's Kanon, we think PBS pledge break.
>>
>> Will I be misunderstood again if I repeat, "EWWWW!"?
>>
>Would that what we hear in Austin during pledge time were as brief as
>that. We get Wayne Dyer, the woman whose name blessedly escapes who
>tells us about money, etc.
I have such great memories of excellent music programming on PBS in my
childhood (the '70s). PBS has sure gone downhill. It's nothing more
than an infomercial outlet nowadays. The music programs it does
broadcast -- crap like Caterwauling Celtic Women or the Righteous
Brothers Revisit Schmaltzy Love Songs For The Umpteenth Time -- are
aired every night for years on end. In fact, I maintain that PBS
actually helped create & drive the multibillion dollar industry of
yuppified New Age pseudo-Celtic music & dance by endlessly airing
Sarah Brightman & her offshoots.
The story of PBS can be summed up as: From Beverly Sills to Sarah
Brightman.
Rugby
\
>
> The story of PBS can be summed up as: From Beverly Sills to Sarah
> Brightman.
A&E Cable network has had a similar evolution in its "Breakfast with
the Arts" programme, which abandoned CM several years ago.
Rugby
Bob Lombard
What arts do they breakfast with nowadays?
bl
Rugby
> What arts do they breakfast with nowadays?
>
I'm not sure the programme exists any longer. I quit watching years
ago after they went popular,jazz,rock,indie,cross-over,etc,too often
for my tastes.
Rugby
Norman Schwartz
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On Dec 20, 3:14 pm, "Matthew B. Tepper" <oy�@earthlink.net> wrote:
> I can think of two more: Peter Schickele's "P.D.Q. Bach: WTWP Classical
> Talkity-Talk Radio" (Telarc), a comedy CD about the travails of a public
> radio station in the throes of dumbing-down, for which the ending theme
> music is a version of the awful thing payed on Renaissance instruments by
> an ensemble known as Calliope; and the theme and variations movement in
> George Rochberg's String Quartet #6.
>
Calliope is a for-real, legitimate Renaissance music group, based in
New York City...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calliope_(Renaissance_band)
Calliope (the band) recorded "Calliope-Dances A Renaissance Revel" for
Nonesuch, CD # 79039. L'Homme Arme, as suggested by Mr. Tepper, is amongst
the selections therein.
Matthew�B.�Tepper
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> On Dec 19, 3:28�pm, MiNe 109 <smcelr...@POPaustin.rr.com> wrote:
>> In article <hgjbs1$tn...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>> �"William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgee...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> > I think Mr. Svejda is missing the point. One's initial liking of the
>> > Canon has nothing to do with taste, and everything to do with the way
>> > it grabs one's auditory neurons, for no obvious reason. And ultimately
>> > releases them, again for no apparent reason.
>>
>> Also the basis for two very different derivative works: Decomposing
>> Composers by Monty Python; and "Three Variations on the Canon in D Major
>> by Johann Pachelbel" from Eno's Discreet Music.
>
> There's also a rap 'song' that uses the Canon - 'Vitamin C' is the
> 'artist.'
That turns out to be a girl singer (well, late 30s-ish) named Colleen
Fitzpatrick, who I once saw make a guest appearance on "Sabrina, the
Teenage Witch."
Matthew�B.�Tepper
At the risk of repeating myself, EWWWW! This is why I'm always saying that
PBS and NPR have betrayed classical music. I curse them both.
Matthew�B.�Tepper
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Oh yes, I've heard of them; I was just making sure my meaning was evident,
and that it wouldn't appear to suggest that the music was being performed
by *a* calliope (like some P.D.Q. Bach works).
The Historian
> The Historian <neil.thehistor...@gmail.com> appears to have caused the
> following letters to be typed in news:70edf8cb-5423-4946-b0b4-78d12b222225
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>
> > On Dec 19, 3:28 pm, MiNe 109 <smcelr...@POPaustin.rr.com> wrote:
> >> In article <hgjbs1$tn...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> >> "William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgee...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >> > I think Mr. Svejda is missing the point. One's initial liking of the
> >> > Canon has nothing to do with taste, and everything to do with the way
> >> > it grabs one's auditory neurons, for no obvious reason. And ultimately
> >> > releases them, again for no apparent reason.
>
> >> Also the basis for two very different derivative works: Decomposing
> >> Composers by Monty Python; and "Three Variations on the Canon in D Major
> >> by Johann Pachelbel" from Eno's Discreet Music.
>
> > There's also a rap 'song' that uses the Canon - 'Vitamin C' is the
> > 'artist.'
>
> That turns out to be a girl singer (well, late 30s-ish) named Colleen
> Fitzpatrick, who I once saw make a guest appearance on "Sabrina, the
> Teenage Witch."
All my illusions of you are shattered, Matthew. :-)
MiNe 109
<70edf8cb-5423-4946...@r1g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>,
The Historian <neil.the...@gmail.com> wrote:
"Graduation (Friends Forever)"! I'd forgotten, but I heard it at a
school-year's end event. Effective but not something I'd want to hear
often.
Stephen
Matthew�B.�Tepper
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> On Dec 20, 10:53�pm, "Matthew�B.�Tepper" <oy�@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> The Historian <neil.thehistor...@gmail.com> appears to have caused the
>> following letters to be typed in news:70edf8cb-5423-4946-b0b4-
>> 78d12b...@r1g2000vbp.googlegroups.com:
>>
>> > On Dec 19, 3:28�pm, MiNe 109 � <smcelr...@POPaustin.rr.com> wrote:
>> >> In article <hgjbs1$tn...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>> >> �"William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgee...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> >> > I think Mr. Svejda is missing the point. One's initial liking of
>> >> > the Canon has nothing to do with taste, and everything to do with
>> >> > the way it grabs one's auditory neurons, for no obvious reason. And
>> >> > ultimately releases them, again for no apparent reason.
>>
>> >> Also the basis for two very different derivative works: Decomposing
>> >> Composers by Monty Python; and "Three Variations on the Canon in D
>> >> Major by Johann Pachelbel" from Eno's Discreet Music.
>>
>> > There's also a rap 'song' that uses the Canon - 'Vitamin C' is the
>> > 'artist.'
>>
>> That turns out to be a girl singer (well, late 30s-ish) named Colleen
>> Fitzpatrick, who I once saw make a guest appearance on "Sabrina, the
>> Teenage Witch."
>
> All my illusions of you are shattered, Matthew. :-)
I actually used to watch the show because of Caroline Rhea. ;--)
Norman Schwartz
Gerard
> Has Ravel's Bolero made the list?
In the first post of this thread.
number_six
There's always Jobim's One Note Samba...though it actually has
several...
Jerry Bank
d59b1c...@z10g2000prh.googlegroups.com>, cybe...@hotmail.com says...
> What is the simplest composition that you would call a masterpiece?
>
> Satie's Vexations (short but perhaps not so simple)?
> Ravel's Bolero?
> Some strophic folk song whose origin is unknown?
>
> A certain "composition" by Mr. Cage is disqualified right out of the
> gate.
>
Perhaps La Folia. The theme is quite simple but has given rise to many
very good variations.
--
Jerry Bank
Trenton, New Jersey
Music is the language of the gods.
Norman Schwartz
"Gerard" <ghen_nospam_driksen�@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Norman Schwartz wrote:
>> Has Ravel's Bolero made the list?
>
> In the first post of this thread.
>
G groups. (Additionally my memorey is crapping out and the messages are no
longer downloadable from my news server.)
>
Gabriel Parra
initial themes and not their development, which is indeed complex.
What could be simpler, for instance, than ta-ta-ta-taaa, from
Beethoven's fifth symphony, or taa-ta-ta-taa-taa from the second
movement of his seventh? Or the Ode to Joy? Or the theme of Op. 111's
arietta?
Gerard
> There are several candidates by Beethoven,
Did Beethoven write Boleros?
David Oberman
<ghen_nospam_driksen�@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> There are several candidates by Beethoven,
>
>Did Beethoven write Boleros?
No, but he danced a mean Charleston.
_______
If you think you're a person of influence,
try ordering somebody else's dog around.
-- Beethoven
Dontait...@aol.com
> "What violent emotions Pachelbel's sweet little Kanon continues to provoke! �
> It is now one of the most frequently recorded of all classical works, but
> there are those of us who still can't quite understand what all the
> shouting is about. �At best, Pachelbel was a third-rate Baroque nonentity
> who occasionally rose to the level of the second-rate in some of his organ
> music. And though the Kanon was composed more than a century before
> Napoleon showed the world what *really* heavy ordnance could do, it still
> unquestionably qualifies as *large bore*. �The compact disc is especially
> useful, in that you can program the Kanon to repeat again and again, and
> thus save yourself untold thousands of dollars by putting off that frontal
> lobotomy you had planned."
>
> -- Jim Svejda
How neat from Mister Svejda. He is, and has long been, someone whose
frontal radio assaults have made him the Joe Pyne of classical music
broadcasting. This is a minor example.
I'll explain Joe Pyne for anyone who wants to know: I don't mean to
be mysterious.
Don Tait
number_six
I'll bite. I used to Svejda in my radio market but don't know Pyne.
Who was he?
Matthew�B.�Tepper
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The prototypical conservative talk-radio host, who flourished back in the
'60s; I didn't know whether he was heard or even outside of Los Angeles,
but if Don has heard him, evidently he was.
Kip Williams
> I'll explain Joe Pyne for anyone who wants to know: I don't mean to
> be mysterious.
I liked the "Joe Nasty Show" that MAD did during the time Pyne was in
the public eye. Of course, both Joes probably look tame and civil in
comparison with various media personalities that we have now.
Kip W
Gabriel Parra
>
> How neat from Mister Svejda. He is, and has long been, someone whose
> frontal radio assaults have made him the Joe Pyne of classical music
> broadcasting. This is a minor example.
>
> I'll explain Joe Pyne for anyone who wants to know: I don't mean to
> be mysterious.
>
> Don Tait
Svejda is possibly the most perceptive and acute critic around,
however caustic he may be. His assessment that virtually no one other
than Furtwangler could conduct Bruckner well I think is right on the
money.
laraine
One finds the most amazing things on YouTube:
Joe Pyne Interviews Jerry Rubin:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9m69lCF6R4
C.
Kip Williams
> What is the simplest composition that you would call a masterpiece?
Middle C. Its pristine beauty has never been improved upon.
Kip W
TareeDawg
Terry Riley's In C might qualify too.
Ray Hall, Taree
number_six
Who gets composer credit on that one?
number_six
Reading thru the thread, perhaps the ones I'm most persuaded by are
Dies Irae and Bach's Air in G.
Many great ideas though; thanks to everyone who weighed in.