Upgrading Tuners? Rodgers?
Phil H.
I keep noticing Rodgers tuners being spoken of as the best tuners. My
guitar has Gotoh tuners which seem to be a step up from some of the
tuners I've had on previous instruments. What benefit would I derive
with better tuners? Are they that much more precise? Also, where would
I purchase them? I'm assuming this might be a job for my guitar repair
guy but I thought I'd ask all of you what experience you've had with
tuners or upgrading to Rodgers tuners?
Best regards to all,
Phil H.
Richard Jernigan
> Hey guys,
>
> I keep noticing Rodgers tuners being spoken of as the best tuners. My
> guitar has Gotoh tuners which seem to be a step up from some of the
> tuners I've had on previous instruments. What benefit would I derive
> with better tuners? Are they that much more precise?
In my experience, Gotoh makes some good tuners--but I don't know about
the full range of Gotoh models. Do your tuners turn easily, but with
enough resistance to make precise tuning possible? Do they have slack
in them? Do they slip downward in pitch? Do they turn slowly enough
(have a high enough gear ratio) to make precise tuning easy? Are you
conscious of any other tuner problems? If the answers to these
questions are 'yes, no, no, yes, no' then you don't need new tuners.
>Also, where would
> I purchase them?
Armin Kelly at http://www.guitars-int.com sells them. Click on
accessories. They're not cheap. You can get perfectly serviceable
tuners for a lot less. But when I get around to replacing the wrecked
Landstorfers on my favorite classical, I might go Rodgers. You know,
buy it some nice jewelry. Google for the Rodgers site. They've got
nice photos and a lot of different designs.
RNJ
Richard Spross
Richard,
Why not send your Landstorfers, to Karl Reichel? They guarantee them for life and will repair
them at minimal cost.
Richard Spross
David Schramm
have superior performance far exceeding that of Rodgers. GIlbert's have a
modern appearance, Rodgers are more traditional. If you want eye candy go
Rodgers, if you want high performance go Gilbert.
Gotoh($150) makes a nice Rodgers copy if you don't want to pay $600 for
Rodgers. There are many types of Gotohs. What do you have?
For Gilbert tuners try these web sites:
http://www.schrammguitars.com/gilberttuningmachines.html
For Rodgers Tuners:
http://homepages.webleicester.co.uk/rodgers/
Regards,
--
David Schramm
Clovis, CA
http://schrammguitars.com
David Schramm
life and will repair
> them at minimal cost.
Good idea.
Klaus Reischl
Senserstr. 7
8000 Munchen 70
Germany
Mark Westling
I;'m located in southern California.
He politely refused, saying he has an exclusive arrangement with Guitar
Salon International to sell them in the U.S.
Unfortunately, Guitar Salon's price is 2-3 times higher than buying them
directly from Reischl.
Mark
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Richard Spross
That may pertain to selling, but what I'm speaking about is Reischl's guarantee
policy and if the tuners were purchased from a third party with no connection
to GSI I should wonder why he would have any qualms about honoring his
guarantee, especially since as I understand it GSI doesn't deal with repair
considerations on his tuners.
Richard Spross
Phil H.
Thanks a bunch for the info! I do have Gotoh tuners on my Ruck which
are beautiful but appear perhaps to be slipping a little more than I
would care for. How big a job is it to change the tuners? Although the
Rodgers do look incredibly beautiful, perhaps the Gilbert tuners would
give the best precision as you say. They're also pretty darn cool
looking!
Best regards to all,
Phil H.
butIn article <SWvm9.4847$PP.9611@rwcrnsc53>, David Schramm
Richard Spross
Nobody mentioned the Sloane tuners? I have friend who put them on his Contreras
and he loved them. Available through
Stewart MacDonald.
Richard Spross
GuitarsWeB
Maybe the best looking and the highest price. But, for operation, Gilbert's are
hands down the best.
(opinion)
Paul McGuffin
David Schramm
> Nobody mentioned the Sloane tuners? I have friend who put them on his
Contreras
> and he loved them. Available through
Sloanes are nice and mechanically work just as good as the Hauser/Schaller
tuners($40). Unfortunately the hole spacing is not consistent and you could
have problems. I heard they are trying to fix that problem. Also the rollers
are made of a plastic that is too hard and brittle. The rollers are known
for cracking. It would be nice if they made some real MOP knobs.
David Schramm
Does Reischl have email?
IS
guitar for the first time with them just installed they were inconsistent.
Two (one on each side) felt good for about half a turn and then real stiff
and hard to turn.
IS.
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John E. Golden
Maybe so, but those Gilbert Tuners are the ugliest I have seen. This
is what you get from a former tool design engineer (I can say this
because I'm an engineer).
But seriously, many of the traditional tuners (Rogers, Fustero, old
Landstorfer's, e. g.) are absolutely beautiful "works of art." The
Gilbert Tuners are very "industrial looking."
Regards,
John E. Golden
Joe Jewell
something way cheaper? Sure. Can you play the Aranjuez Concerto on a
plywood student guitar? Sure. Can you tell time with a $15.00 watch?
Sure. I personally have never felt that money spent on Rodgers tuners was
money poorly spent. They're just fantastic and I love having them on my
guitar.
Phil, check with Billy Arcila at LA Classical Guitars. www.lacg.net. He
just got an order of four sets. I haven't seen them yet, but he tells me
they're spectacular. I don't think you'd ever be sorry.
Joe
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Joe Jewell
of the buttons came unglued from the shaft during a recording session. I
could no longer tune the G string and had to call a friend to bring me
another guitar to finish the session much to the dismay of the rest of the
group and the producer, and the arranger, and the client, etc. etc.. Yeah,
yeah...I know, Gilbert's fixed the problem, etc. etc. and sent me another
set of tuners, etc. etc. But it happened. This would never, ever, ever
happen with a set of Rodgers.
Joe
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Richard Spross
> Oh, yeah. I wanted to add that I had a set of Gilberts on a guitar and one
> of the buttons came unglued from the shaft during a recording session. I
> could no longer tune the G string and had to call a friend to bring me
> another guitar to finish the session much to the dismay of the rest of the
> group and the producer, and the arranger, and the client, etc. etc.. Yeah,
> yeah...I know, Gilbert's fixed the problem, etc. etc. and sent me another
> set of tuners, etc. etc. But it happened. This would never, ever, ever
> happen with a set of Rodgers.
> Joe
>
And by the way, if you order them from him direct, he will make the roller
spacing according to your measurements.
In other words custom and perfect.
Richard Spross
Phil
As usual thanks so much to all who have posted, it is truly
appreciated. My tuners on my Ruck (I'm assuming they are Gotoh as this
is what he usually uses) are very beautiful indeed and appear to work
quite smoothly.... definitely better than those on my Ramirez, however
I'm noticing quite a bit of slippage. The strings on my Ruck are quite
old... I do not know how old as I have just purchased the guitar. I've
held off on changing them as I'm going to have a little adjustment done
to the guitar but I'm wondering if perhaps the age of the strings may
have something to do with it. I know very little about tuners, so I
appreciate any insight. Forgive my ignorance, but here's a few
questions.
1) How much slippage on a daily basis is normal?
2) Are the age of the strings (quite old) a factor?
3) Besides the sheer beauty of the Rodgers or utilitarian beauty of
some of the others, what benefit might I derive from the upgrade?
4) I'm assuming I should have the tuner upgrade done by my guitar
repair guy... or is it something I could do myself?
Thanks so very very much for all of your help!
Best regards,
Phil H.
As always, e-mail to philhh at yahoo.com
In article <3D9D2AE9...@pacbell.net>, Richard Spross
Evan Pyle
Gotohs off & put Rodgers on, purely for the 'jewelry factor'. They are more
precise in their action than the Gotoh, but only very slightly. I bought the
Gotoh from him and they work perfectly. Even cheap Schallers don't slip.
Change the strings. If one gear is slipping, fix it.
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David Schramm
> just got an order of four sets. I haven't seen them yet, but he tells me
> they're spectacular. I don't think you'd ever be sorry.
According to Rodgers Tuners they do not give a discount to anyone no matter
what the quantity so you would pay the same price as Billy if you order them
directly from Rodgers.