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Alphonsus Jr.

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Oct 10, 2012, 3:03:34 PM10/10/12
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Something about this group disturbs me. It disturbs me a great deal. We all know what it is. But we sweep it under the rug.

I'm talking about sexism. Sexism in this very group. Where are the women??? I mean, is it acceptable to have only one woman (thomas) in the discussion? What about inclusivity? What about equality? What about the Other? Are we so frightened of the Other that we need to wage war against her? What's happened to us?

Murdick

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Oct 10, 2012, 5:16:46 PM10/10/12
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On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 2:03:34 PM UTC-5, Alphonsus Jr. wrote:
> Something about this group disturbs me. It disturbs me a great deal. We all know what it is. But we sweep it under the rug.
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>
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> I'm talking about sexism. Sexism in this very group. Where are the women??? I mean, is it acceptable to have only one woman (thomas) in the discussion? What about inclusivity? What about equality? What about the Other? Are we so frightened of the Other that we need to wage war against her? What's happened to us?

Stop acting like a girl. Cowboy up.

TheChris

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Oct 10, 2012, 6:14:29 PM10/10/12
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"Alphonsus Jr." <alpho...@gmail.com> wrote in news:8b5c105e-7ed4-4416-
80a6-c56...@googlegroups.com:
This is a group about guitar playing.... Not about cooking and cleaning!!!
:)

Okay - that was uncalled for.... Just a joke, just a joke.. If you haven't
gotten it, I'm VERY sarcastic...

If you want girls, head over to the American Idol NG.... There's more than
you can handle in there. Yes, I frequent both :)

thomas

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Oct 10, 2012, 7:06:53 PM10/10/12
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On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 3:03:34 PM UTC-4, Alphonsus Jr. wrote:
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> I'm talking about sexism. Sexism in this very group. Where are the women??? I mean, is it acceptable to have only one woman (thomas) in the discussion? What about inclusivity? What about equality? What about the Other? Are we so frightened of the Other that we need to wage war against her? What's happened to us?>

I'm truly a female female.

dsi1

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Oct 10, 2012, 8:18:02 PM10/10/12
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On 10/10/2012 9:03 AM, Alphonsus Jr. wrote:
> Something about this group disturbs me. It disturbs me a great deal. We all know what it is. But we sweep it under the rug.
>
> I'm talking about sexism. Sexism in this very group. Where are the women??? I mean, is it acceptable to have only one woman (thomas) in the discussion? What about inclusivity? What about equality? What about the Other? Are we so frightened of the Other that we need to wage war against her? What's happened to us?
>

You're sniffing up the wrong tree. You're looking for a 7-11 in the
middle of a rainforest. Check out a different newsgroup. Be proactive -
don't wait for the chicks to come to you! I can appreciate your
persistence but you gave Lady Anna ample time to get here. Time to move on.

Try an artsy-crafty newsgroup like pottery or jelly-making or
bondage-abuse or whatever the hell it is that females like. Be wary, the
females you might find on Usenet are kind of nutty and on the mature
side which means that you should be able to find the girl U want.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4-2onb62y8

Fadosolrélamisi

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Oct 10, 2012, 8:26:20 PM10/10/12
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Le mercredi 10 octobre 2012 12:03:34 UTC-7, Alphonsus Jr. a écrit :
> Something about this group disturbs me. It disturbs me a great deal. We all know what it is. But we sweep it under the rug.
>
>
>
> I'm talking about sexism. Sexism in this very group. Where are the women??? I mean, is it acceptable to have only one woman (thomas) in the discussion? What about inclusivity? What about equality? What about the Other? Are we so frightened of the Other that we need to wage war against her? What's happened to us?

The problems with elephants is that they can blind you ... if you know the parable you'll understand that they are hard to describe!

Alphonsus Jr.

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Oct 10, 2012, 10:48:48 PM10/10/12
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It pains me a great deal that none of you are taking this most serious issue very seriously. Listen, we need to get some babes in here. But how???

dsi1

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Oct 10, 2012, 10:50:51 PM10/10/12
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On 10/10/2012 2:26 PM, Fadosolr�lamisi wrote:
> Le mercredi 10 octobre 2012 12:03:34 UTC-7, Alphonsus Jr. a �crit :
>> Something about this group disturbs me. It disturbs me a great deal. We all know what it is. But we sweep it under the rug.
>>
>>
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>> I'm talking about sexism. Sexism in this very group. Where are the women??? I mean, is it acceptable to have only one woman (thomas) in the discussion? What about inclusivity? What about equality? What about the Other? Are we so frightened of the Other that we need to wage war against her? What's happened to us?
>
> The problems with elephants is that they can blind you ... if you know the parable you'll understand that they are hard to describe!
>

Being in a room with an elephant totally sucks. I had a bad experience
when the elephant in the room went nuts at a circus. I found out that in
times like that, my spidey sense kicks in and I won't bother hanging
around to see "what develops" or if the situation improves. Heading out
the door at the first sign of trouble is one of my best traits.

Fadosolrélamisi

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Oct 10, 2012, 11:47:04 PM10/10/12
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Le mercredi 10 octobre 2012 19:48:48 UTC-7, Alphonsus Jr. a écrit :
> It pains me a great deal that none of you are taking this most serious issue very seriously. Listen, we need to get some babes in here. But how???

A recording of your tremolo, I guarantee it, will bring them all to your knees!

Cactus Wren

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Oct 10, 2012, 11:47:26 PM10/10/12
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On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 7:48:48 PM UTC-7, Alphonsus Jr. wrote:
> It pains me a great deal that none of you are taking this most serious issue very seriously. Listen, we need to get some babes in here. But how???

Tough one. Few girls play guitar. Those that do are always vastly outnumbered by guys, so they probably have busier than average social lives. Also, girls usually don't care much about rest strokes, so that would eliminate half of the reason to be here.

Fadosolrélamisi

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Oct 10, 2012, 11:55:43 PM10/10/12
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Le mercredi 10 octobre 2012 19:50:59 UTC-7, dsi1 a écrit :
> On 10/10/2012 2:26 PM, Fadosolrélamisi wrote:
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> > Le mercredi 10 octobre 2012 12:03:34 UTC-7, Alphonsus Jr. a écrit :
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> >> Something about this group disturbs me. It disturbs me a great deal. We all know what it is. But we sweep it under the rug.
>
> >>
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> >>
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> >>
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> >> I'm talking about sexism. Sexism in this very group. Where are the women??? I mean, is it acceptable to have only one woman (thomas) in the discussion? What about inclusivity? What about equality? What about the Other? Are we so frightened of the Other that we need to wage war against her? What's happened to us?
>
> >
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> > The problems with elephants is that they can blind you ... if you know the parable you'll understand that they are hard to describe!
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> >
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> Being in a room with an elephant totally sucks. I had a bad experience
>
> when the elephant in the room went nuts at a circus. I found out that in
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> times like that, my spidey sense kicks in and I won't bother hanging
>
> around to see "what develops" or if the situation improves. Heading out
>
> the door at the first sign of trouble is one of my best traits.

Me, my lamentations go to the fact that the only elephant I've seen was as the zoo ... it's so sad ... all the other elephant I've seen where in these discovery channel documentaries on elephants in Africa, India, China ... I love these documentaries but, unfortunately, they can never replace a true, real, gigantic, ear flapping freaking elephant drinking and showering with his ... (Blank! I have an English blank!!! I know the word in French ... heu une trompe d'éléphant ... but in English??? Blank!
I'm sure someone will help me here! ... heu ...please ... can someone ...)

Fadosolrélamisi

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Oct 10, 2012, 11:59:14 PM10/10/12
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Sorry Cactus ... I was so excited by that memory return ... trunk!!! Trunk! An elephant trunk!

dewach...@gmail.com

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Oct 11, 2012, 12:27:15 AM10/11/12
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On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 8:48:48 PM UTC-6, Alphonsus Jr. wrote:
> It pains me a great deal that none of you are taking this most serious issue very seriously. Listen, we need to get some babes in here. But how???

Last time there was a babe on this forum I was making some real and meaningful progress with her......... I learned she was wear pink panties and a matching brasserie..........then Thomas came along interrupted our dinner, got jealous, and scared her away!

dsi1

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Oct 11, 2012, 5:58:13 AM10/11/12
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On 10/10/2012 5:55 PM, Fadosolr�lamisi wrote:
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> Me, my lamentations go to the fact that the only elephant I've seen was as the zoo ... it's so sad ... all the other elephant I've seen where in these discovery channel documentaries on elephants in Africa, India, China ... I love these documentaries but, unfortunately, they can never replace a true, real, gigantic, ear flapping freaking elephant drinking and showering with his ... (Blank! I have an English blank!!! I know the word in French ... heu une trompe d'�l�phant ... but in English??? Blank!
> I'm sure someone will help me here! ... heu ...please ... can someone ...)
>

That thing at you're referring to is called "the terrifying death
trumpet of doom." Hopefully, I'll never hear one of those again.

"Oh, yeah. Oooh, ahhh, that's how it always starts. Then later there's
running and screaming."


thomas

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Oct 11, 2012, 9:52:44 AM10/11/12
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On Thursday, October 11, 2012 12:27:16 AM UTC-4, dewach...@gmail.com wrote:
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> Last time there was a babe on this forum I was making some real and meaningful progress with her......... I learned she was wear pink panties and a matching brasserie..........then Thomas came along interrupted our dinner, got jealous, and scared her away!>

She needs to stay out of my underwear drawer.

Fadosolrélamisi

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Oct 11, 2012, 10:39:52 AM10/11/12
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Le jeudi 11 octobre 2012 02:58:15 UTC-7, dsi1 a écrit :
> On 10/10/2012 5:55 PM, Fadosolrélamisi wrote:
>
> >
>
> > Me, my lamentations go to the fact that the only elephant I've seen was as the zoo ... it's so sad ... all the other elephant I've seen where in these discovery channel documentaries on elephants in Africa, India, China ... I love these documentaries but, unfortunately, they can never replace a true, real, gigantic, ear flapping freaking elephant drinking and showering with his ... (Blank! I have an English blank!!! I know the word in French ... heu une trompe d'éléphant ... but in English??? Blank!
>
> > I'm sure someone will help me here! ... heu ...please ... can someone ...)
>
> >
>
>
>
> That thing at you're referring to is called "the terrifying death
>
> trumpet of doom." Hopefully, I'll never hear one of those again.
>
>
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> "Oh, yeah. Oooh, ahhh, that's how it always starts. Then later there's
>
> running and screaming."

Ha! A flash back to Tarzan!

http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://rhapsody2000.free.fr/images/blog/g/b_guyb_tarzan_07_johnny_weissmuller_1932.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.notrecinema.com/communaute/dossier.php?dossier%3D9&h=309&w=250&sz=22&tbnid=Fwyu2yaHG-aFtM:&tbnh=96&tbnw=78&zoom=1&usg=__UgX5GBQZcDC9DJ1v3QMQdKJ5hxo=&docid=D8-Busl1LwNpAM&hl=fr&sa=X&ei=Ytl2ULXvKNDsigLM7oHgDQ&sqi=2&ved=0CEQQ9QEwBw&dur=357

Now if we would all dress like the Mangore ...

Fadosolrélamisi

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Oct 11, 2012, 10:50:01 AM10/11/12
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Le mercredi 10 octobre 2012 12:03:34 UTC-7, Alphonsus Jr. a écrit :
> Something about this group disturbs me. It disturbs me a great deal. We all know what it is. But we sweep it under the rug.
>
>
>
> I'm talking about sexism. Sexism in this very group. Where are the women??? I mean, is it acceptable to have only one woman (thomas) in the discussion? What about inclusivity? What about equality? What about the Other? Are we so frightened of the Other that we need to wage war against her? What's happened to us?

Some ideas for future topic on the same format :

The Armadillo in this room
The purple turtle in this room
The chicken in this room
The mouse in this room
The seal in this room
The humming bird in this room
The butterfly in this room
The snake in this room
the Ant in this room
the crow in this room
The shark in this room
the cockroach in this room
The ostrich in this room
The vroom vroom car in this room

Here, you have a year and two months worth of topics!




himmelhoch

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Oct 11, 2012, 11:12:00 AM10/11/12
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On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 3:03:34 PM UTC-4, Alphonsus Jr. wrote:
> Something about this group disturbs me. It disturbs me a great deal. We all know what it is. But we sweep it under the rug.
>
>
>
> I'm talking about sexism. Sexism in this very group. Where are the women??? I mean, is it acceptable to have only one woman (thomas) in the discussion? What about inclusivity? What about equality? What about the Other? Are we so frightened of the Other that we need to wage war against her? What's happened to us?

Perhaps they are put off by troglodytes clamoring for the return of the Spanish Inquisition!

S

mus...@earthlink.net

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Oct 11, 2012, 12:03:06 PM10/11/12
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 12:03:34 -0700 (PDT), "Alphonsus Jr."
<alpho...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Something about this group disturbs me. It disturbs me a great deal. We all know what it is. But we sweep it under the rug.
>
>I'm talking about sexism. Sexism in this very group. Where are the women???

Hello!

Sharon
Secretary to Christopher Parkening
www.parkening.com

dsi1

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Oct 11, 2012, 12:12:40 PM10/11/12
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On Oct 11, 4:39 am, Fadosolrélamisi <rei...@telus.net> wrote:
> Le jeudi 11 octobre 2012 02:58:15 UTC-7, dsi1 a écrit :
>
>
>
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>
>
>
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> > On 10/10/2012 5:55 PM, Fadosolrélamisi wrote:
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> > > Me, my lamentations go to the fact that the only elephant I've seen was as the zoo ... it's so sad ... all the other elephant I've seen where in these discovery channel documentaries on elephants in Africa, India, China ... I love these documentaries but, unfortunately, they can never replace a true, real, gigantic, ear flapping freaking elephant drinking and showering with his ... (Blank! I have an English blank!!! I know the word in French ... heu une trompe d'éléphant ... but in English??? Blank!
>
> > > I'm sure someone will help me here! ... heu ...please ... can someone ...)
>
> > That thing at you're referring to is called "the terrifying death
>
> > trumpet of doom." Hopefully, I'll never hear one of those again.
>
> > "Oh, yeah. Oooh, ahhh, that's how it always starts. Then later there's
>
> > running and screaming."
>
> Ha! A flash back to Tarzan!
>
> http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://rhapsody2000.free.fr/images...
>
> Now if we would all dress like the Mangore ...

Jane gone. Jungle sad. Come back Jane. Want pancake.

Alphonsus Jr.

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Oct 11, 2012, 12:28:22 PM10/11/12
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On Thursday, October 11, 2012 9:03:06 AM UTC-7, (unknown) wrote:

> Hello!
>
>
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> Sharon
>
> Secretary to Christopher Parkening
>
> www.parkening.com


Excellent! What can we do to make you stick around? We are at your service.

Cactus Wren

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Oct 11, 2012, 12:41:13 PM10/11/12
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Good question, but perhaps this will help: I was listening to some Parkening the other day. I do think he has just about my favorite sound quality of any guitarist.

John Nguyen

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Oct 11, 2012, 1:14:20 PM10/11/12
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On Oct 11, 12:41 pm, Cactus Wren <elegantspanishgui...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> > Excellent! What can we do to make you stick around? We are at your service.- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -

I have his A Tribute to Segovia CD, and I could listen to his Torre
Bermeja all day long. He has a very nice touch and sugary sound.

Steven Bornfeld

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Oct 11, 2012, 6:08:46 PM10/11/12
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Flower Drum Song?

--
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
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Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001

Steven Bornfeld

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Oct 11, 2012, 6:10:57 PM10/11/12
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+1

dewach...@gmail.com

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Oct 11, 2012, 6:55:56 PM10/11/12
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I heard he quit playing guitar.

Alphonsus Jr.

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Oct 11, 2012, 7:20:38 PM10/11/12
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On Thursday, October 11, 2012 3:55:56 PM UTC-7, dewach...@gmail.com wrote:

> I heard he quit playing guitar.

He retired from the stage.

But I'm talking about Sharon.

Fadosolrélamisi

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Oct 12, 2012, 12:22:06 AM10/12/12
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Haha! Tarzan can wait and ride his elephant around ... Hohiohioooooo
Jane's gone for good enough with the http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwHWbsvgQUE

Alphonsus Jr.

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Oct 12, 2012, 3:02:06 AM10/12/12
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Speaking of the ladies, I've fallen in love with the fine lady pictured in this article:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443482404578042704123153548.html

Just look at her. Not a stitch or hair out of place. And that smile! I love her.

mus...@earthlink.net

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Oct 13, 2012, 10:12:35 AM10/13/12
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On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 15:55:56 -0700 (PDT),
dewach...@gmail.com wrote:

>I heard he quit playing guitar.

Here is the original press release from last July:

In July, 2012 in Charleston, South Carolina, the renowned
American classical guitarist Christopher Parkening was
inducted into the Guitar Foundation of America (GFA) "Hall
of Fame" and given their "Artistic Achievement Award." This
prestigious award is given to "performers who have made
monumental contributions to the development of the art and
life of the classical guitar."

Mr Parkening also used this occasion to make this notable
announcement: "As I am gathered with you to celebrate the
classical guitar, I have chosen this time and place to share
with you what for me is a rather difficult announcement.
After nearly five decades as a concert guitarist, the time
has come for me to step away from the concert stage.

"Some of you know that for these past few years I have had
some physical issues resulting in numerous back surgeries.
At this point in my life, I would like to focus more on my
family and on my commitment to teaching my students at
Pepperdine University and in master classes throughout the
country, sharing my insights and experiences-both musical
and personal-as I mentor young artists.

"I am grateful to all of those who have had important roles
in my life and career. Through the years I have tried to
play my guitar for the purpose as defined by J. S. Bach who
said, 'Soli Deo Gloria,' 'To God alone the glory.'"

www.parkening.com

-30-


Fadosolrélamisi

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Oct 14, 2012, 12:28:45 PM10/14/12
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The Elephant in this room is getting smaller, by the seconds, by the minutes, by the days, the weeks, the months, the years, the infinite life span of the universe! Good luck elephant in this room ... you'll be missed!

Jonathan

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Oct 14, 2012, 1:21:15 PM10/14/12
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It's a guy in drag.
You been pwned!

dsi1

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Oct 14, 2012, 2:53:49 PM10/14/12
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When he died, Johnny Weissmueller had his Tarzan call played three
times at his funeral. That's goofy but it's a lot easier on the ears
than bagpipes. The great thing about Hawaii is that there's a severe
shortage of bagpipes on this rock. Yay!

dsi1

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Oct 14, 2012, 3:00:46 PM10/14/12
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On Oct 14, 6:28 am, Fadosolrélamisi <rei...@telus.net> wrote:
> On Saturday, October 13, 2012 7:12:34 AM UTC-7, (unknown) wrote:
> > On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 15:55:56 -0700 (PDT),
>
Christopher Parkening was the first classical guitarist I saw in
concert. I still don't understand how a guitar can fill a concert hall
like that. Amazing!

Fadosolrélamisi

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Oct 14, 2012, 7:01:19 PM10/14/12
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All this is pretty weird for me ... I have never climb on the Parkening ban wagon ... Same thing with Yepes ... don't know why ... My favorite players have always been, Segovia, Bream, Williams, Yamashita, Barrueco, Russell, Vidovic ... followed by all the rest ...Angel and Pepe Romero, Bitteti, Brouwer, Berhend, Presti, Lagoya, de la Torre, Tanenbaum, Lorimer,Carlevaro, Alberto Ponce, Diaz, Fisk,Almeida, Morel, Boyd, Ashfar, Isbin, Masters, Dyens, Steidl, Tennant, Assad, Hoppstock, Kanengiser, Xuei Fan, Bogdanovic, Domeniconi, York etc.

dsi1

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Oct 14, 2012, 8:12:36 PM10/14/12
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Back in the early seventies there were not many young classical
guitarists playing concerts. These days they're all over the place!

Fadosolrélamisi

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Oct 14, 2012, 11:42:07 PM10/14/12
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I am not sure about that ... and ... I don't know ... maybe it's our own interest in the instrument that makes it look like it is flourishing ...
Lots of video, that's for sure ... but all over the place, playing 50 + concerts a year? (That's about four concert a month ...)Were would someone find the time to replenish the tank and learn new material and slowly integrate it to the old one? This is the life of a pro I don't know much about ...

JPD

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Oct 15, 2012, 3:06:00 AM10/15/12
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Parkening was more of a USA phenom, and especially on the West Coast. His first three recordings were magic. In the Classic Style, In The Spanish Style, and Romanza. He had his own style and it was beautiful. I immersed myself in it for a few years as a teenager and did everything I could to copy it.

Then came the Bach album and the Impressionist album. With these I had the sense that he'd lost the thread of the first three. It sounded like he (or some producer) had figured out the selling points of the Parkening sound and packaged it for maximum commercial impact. Those two recordings seemed more about the wow factor and less about the "quiet simplicity that speaks directly to the heart." (Segovia.)

But that's the way it goes.

dsi1

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Oct 15, 2012, 2:14:39 PM10/15/12
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On 10/14/2012 5:42 PM, Fadosolrélamisi wrote:

> I am not sure about that ... and ... I don't know ... maybe it's our own interest in the instrument that makes it look like it is flourishing ...
> Lots of video, that's for sure ... but all over the place, playing 50 + concerts a year? (That's about four concert a month ...)Were would someone find the time to replenish the tank and learn new material and slowly integrate it to the old one? This is the life of a pro I don't know much about ...
>

You're probably right about this. We get a lot of exposure to many
talented guitarists these days on computers and mobile devices. They've
always existed but we've never had a chance to see them.

David Raleigh Arnold

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Oct 15, 2012, 6:29:26 PM10/15/12
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 12:03:34 -0700, Alphonsus Jr. wrote:

> Something about this group disturbs me. It disturbs me a great deal. We
> all know what it is. But we sweep it under the rug.
>
> I'm talking about sexism. Sexism in this very group. Where are the
> women??? I mean, is it acceptable to have only one woman (thomas) in the
> discussion? What about inclusivity? What about equality? What about the
> Other? Are we so frightened of the Other that we need to wage war
> against her? What's happened to us?

What elephant?

Women are not elephants, or
800 lb gorillas either. Regards, daveA

--
Guitar teaching materials and original music for all styles and levels.
Site: http://www.openguitar.com (()) eMail: d.raleig...@gmail.com
Contact: http://www.openguitar.com/contact.html"

Fadosolrélamisi

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Oct 15, 2012, 8:16:21 PM10/15/12
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Haha! Now the elephant is running back full speed! Thump, thump, thump ...
This is to nice a title to let it go!

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