Tribute to Matanya Ophee

[Alphonsus Jr.]

Friends,

Having recently re-read this excellent essay:

http://www.guitarandluteissues.com/Performance/performa-eng.htm

it occurs to me that tributes to Matanya Ophee are in order. For example, what would you say is his greatest contribution to the classical guitar world?

[Tommy Grand]

1. His publication of Pujol's Escuela, in English
2. His series of articles on the "school of Tarrega"
3. Publishing "Guitar Travels"
4. Publishing Richard Pick's method and music.
5. The Sor method

[thomas]

It is yet to come.

[mata...@gmail.com]

How right you are, Thomas. I am working on it, and hopefully be able to bring to a conclusion anytime during the next 18 years. (That, according to a projection by a trusted Gypsy seer, will be when I will be shot by a jealous husband...)

MO.

MO.

[Tommy Grand]

I dare say MO is overdue for a festschrift.

[Fadosolrélamisi]

I think Matanaya deserves the M of RMCG. The name Matanya as become over the years synonymous of the word guitar music. I regret to have miss the Giuliani biography publication (the book by T. Heck). Too bad for me, back then I didn't make enough money to purchase it and now that things are better ... it's indefinitely out of print. Among some of his great achievements, his Russian collection, his Tango publications, The Ponce letters (I have Just order these letters!) and also let's not forget that he has had the flair to present the work of Carlos Barientos and Mark Delpiora, both good participants who were posting here not so long ago. I think Matanya has done so much for the classical guitar that it would be best to bestow on him a general recognition of the like of "life time achievements for the world of the classical guitar". For a one man enterprise, he certainly has pushed it to the max, and as Thomas said, the best is yet to come!

[Tommy Grand]

I nearly forgot the Orphee database of guitar recordings. Just bought it, plus the supplement!

[dewach...@gmail.com]

I've never heard of this author....... does he write fact or fiction?

[dewach...@gmail.com]

On Tuesday, November 6, 2012 3:08:12 PM UTC-7, Alphonsus Jr. wrote:

Oh forgive me, I spoke too soon.......I just read where he gets shot by a jealous husband....... it's definitely fiction.

[mata...@gmail.com]

On Tuesday, November 6, 2012 9:12:39 PM UTC-5, Fadosolrélamisi wrote:
> I think Matanaya deserves the M of RMCG. The name Matanya as become over the years synonymous of the word guitar music. I regret to have miss the Giuliani biography publication (the book by T. Heck). Too bad for me, back then I didn't make enough money to purchase it and now that things are better ... it's indefinitely out of print.

As far as I know, the Theodore Presser company still have a couple of copies on hand. You can get one directly from them.

As soon as I have a free moment, I will devote it to study the secrets of selling digital editions over the Internet. At this time, I have the Giuliani book in PDF, but the system used by my shopping-cart can only accommodate early versions of PDF. The one I have is a more recent one. I am sure the digital version will be a lot cheaper than the real book.

> Too bad for me, back then I didn't make enough money to purchase it and now that things are better ... it's indefinitely out of print. Among some of his great achievements, his Russian collection, his Tango publications, The Ponce letters (I have Just order these letters!)

merci pour la commande, Alain!

> and also let's not forget that he has had the flair to present the work of Carlos Barientos and Mark Delpiora, both good participants who were posting here not so long ago. I think Matanya has done so much for the classical guitar that it would be best to bestow on him a general recognition of the like of "life time achievements for the world of the classical guitar".

I hope no one has this idea while I am still alive... my life time is not over yet...

> For a one man enterprise, he certainly has pushed it to the max, and as Thomas said, the best is yet to come!

The amazing thing is that Barack Obama must be reading this NG. That's exactly what he said in his victory speech — the best is yet to come!

MO.

[mata...@gmail.com]

On Wednesday, November 7, 2012 9:10:21 AM UTC-5, dewach...@gmail.com wrote:

> > it occurs to me that tributes to Matanya Ophee are in order. For example, what would you say is his greatest contribution to the classical guitar world?
>
>
>
> Oh forgive me, I spoke too soon.......I just read where he gets shot by a jealous husband....... it's definitely fiction.

I am surprised. For a man who so strongly believe in arstrology, in spite of the evidence to the contrary, you should be more respectful of the predictions of a Gypsy seer. We will only know if what she predicted is fiction or not, on June 15th 2030! We already know today that what YOU predicted here was definitely hogwash.

MO.

[dewach...@gmail.com]

I still stand by my prediction!

[Gerry]

On 2012-11-07 19:46:14 +0000, dewach...@gmail.com said:

>> We already know today that what YOU predicted here was definitely hogwash.
>

> I still stand by my prediction!

You bet: "Who are you going to believe? Me or your lying eyes?"

I wonder if we can no move on to the next b'ak'tun as foretold in Mayan
calendars, this coming December 21st, and tangentially considered the
end of the world or the end of time, or the end of something really
important.

Actually, I understand it's the end of a really big base-20 number--But
still cause for speculation about apocalypse.
--
Music is the best means we have of digesting time. -- W. H. Auden

[dsi1]

On Nov 7, 10:02 am, Gerry <addr...@domain.com> wrote:

> On 2012-11-07 19:46:14 +0000, dewachen1...@gmail.com said:
>
> >> We already know today that what YOU predicted here was definitely hogwash.
>
> > I still stand by my prediction!
>
> You bet: "Who are you going to believe? Me or your lying eyes?"
>
> I wonder if we can no move on to the next b'ak'tun as foretold in Mayan
> calendars, this coming December 21st, and tangentially considered the
> end of the world or the end of time, or the end of something really
> important.
>
> Actually, I understand it's the end of a really big base-20 number--But
> still cause for speculation about apocalypse.

There's nothing special about a really big base-20 number. It's only
big to the human mind and there's nothing special about the number 20,
except maybe it's the number of the things that humans use to play the
guitar. In the scheme of things, fingers and toes and stars don't mean
anything.

[Gerry]

On 2012-11-07 20:11:59 +0000, dsi1 said:

>> I wonder if we can no move on to the next b'ak'tun as foretold in Mayan
>> calendars, this coming December 21st, and tangentially considered the
>> end of the world or the end of time, or the end of something really
>> important.
>>
>> Actually, I understand it's the end of a really big base-20 number--But
>> still cause for speculation about apocalypse.
>
> There's nothing special about a really big base-20 number. It's only
> big to the human mind and there's nothing special about the number 20,
> except maybe it's the number of the things that humans use to play the
> guitar. In the scheme of things, fingers and toes and stars don't mean
> anything.

That may well be, but among the things that don't mean anything these
might well be the most significant of them all!

[dsi1]

I'm inclined to agree. I say the least significant things that don't
mean anything would be wrapping paper and sealing wax. :-)

[Gerry]

Mayan armageddon v. sealing wax? Jeez, it's a tough call...

[dsi1]

On 11/7/2012 1:04 PM, Gerry wrote:
> Mayan armageddon v. sealing wax? Jeez, it's a tough call...

I'd take $.89 worth of kimchi Bowl Noodle over a bajillion bucks worth
of Mayan Armageddon because bowl noodle actually exists and I'm hungry.
I gots me a practical streak!

[Fadosolrélamisi]

That's great! I am looking forward to download the Giuliani one of these days. Judging by the Thomas Viloteau's book I downloaded this week (La Boîte Noire), it's the way to go. I got it the day after it's publication. Quick access is good! Not having to wait 1, 2, or 3 weeks would be, I imagine, very good for sales.
Anywhoo ... I am glad of the order I passed to the Orphee Editions, and be assure, there will be more in the near future.

Alain

[dewach...@gmail.com]

Actually nothin is special at all, right dsi?

[dewach...@gmail.com]

Well one things for sure, you really know how to make a strawman, then tear him down..... dude I'm impressed!

[dewach...@gmail.com]

I hope the galactic wave hits Hawaii first.

[Gerry]

Eh, I'm not invested.

[dsi1]

On 11/7/2012 7:27 PM, dewach...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Actually nothin is special at all, right dsi?
>

Personal relationships are special and important. Things are not. What's
so special about the number 20 and base 20 numbers? Nothing that I can
think of. What's your point?

What's not special is folks wanting something to happen so much that it
blinds them and messes up their thinking. Unfortunately, that's all too
common. You're still a slave to your ego. You should work on that unless
you're planning on leaving this planet in such an unenlightened state.

[dsi1]

Well, it's all cosmic mumbo-jumbo to me. Maybe if you wish really-really
hard it'll come true! What I don't get is if everything get destroyed
what difference does it make? You get to die happy or something?

[wollybird]

On Nov 8, 2:54 am, dsi1 <d...@eternal-september.invalid> wrote:

I'm battle tested and hardened:
http://weknowmemes.com/2012/03/shit-i-have-survived/

[Gerry]

On 2012-11-08 08:48:33 +0000, dsi1 said:

> On 11/7/2012 7:27 PM, dewach...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Actually nothin is special at all, right dsi?
>>
>
> Personal relationships are special and important. Things are not.

To be a smusician, which for me is special and important, I need a
thing: A musical instrument. Some circumstances have left me with only
a trombone or drums to deal with, and I do as best I can, but I prefer
the guitar. All are things.

> What's not special is folks wanting something to happen so much that it
> blinds them and messes up their thinking. Unfortunately, that's all too
> common.

That's the reason I don't do lottery tickets. It's not that I know I
can't win--it is at least a microscopic potential. It's that I begin
cycling through the list of things I'd do or acquire if I had big
money. I HATE that! A total waste of focus and energy.

> You're still a slave to your ego. You should work on that unless you're
> planning on leaving this planet in such an unenlightened state.

I will leave this body behind in an unenlightened state; of this I am sure.

[dsi1]

On 11/8/2012 7:21 AM, Gerry wrote:
> On 2012-11-08 08:48:33 +0000, dsi1 said:
>
>> On 11/7/2012 7:27 PM, dewach...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> Actually nothin is special at all, right dsi?
>>>
>>
>> Personal relationships are special and important. Things are not.
>
> To be a smusician, which for me is special and important, I need a
> thing: A musical instrument. Some circumstances have left me with only a
> trombone or drums to deal with, and I do as best I can, but I prefer the
> guitar. All are things.

We all gots to do our own thing. Your thing are those things. To me, the
guitar is a nice thing, but it's not my thing. I know my thing. It looks
like you know your thing, that's something...

>
>> What's not special is folks wanting something to happen so much that
>> it blinds them and messes up their thinking. Unfortunately, that's all
>> too common.
>
> That's the reason I don't do lottery tickets. It's not that I know I
> can't win--it is at least a microscopic potential. It's that I begin
> cycling through the list of things I'd do or acquire if I had big
> money. I HATE that! A total waste of focus and energy.
>
>> You're still a slave to your ego. You should work on that unless
>> you're planning on leaving this planet in such an unenlightened state.
>
> I will leave this body behind in an unenlightened state; of this I am sure.

Most folks will. OTOH, most folks don't claim to place much value in
being in a state of enlightenment.

[Gerry]

On 2012-11-08 17:49:12 +0000, dsi1 said:

> On 11/8/2012 7:21 AM, Gerry wrote:
>
>>> Personal relationships are special and important. Things are not.
>>

>> To be a musician, which for me is special and important, I need a

>> thing: A musical instrument. Some circumstances have left me with only a
>> trombone or drums to deal with, and I do as best I can, but I prefer the
>> guitar. All are things.
>
> We all gots to do our own thing.

I thought we were using "thing" to mean "object"...

> Your thing are those things. To me, the guitar is a nice thing, but
> it's not my thing. I know my thing.

Since you know it, I'll bite: What's your thing?

> It looks like you know your thing, that's something...

In fairness, I also know that my thing changes. Like books for
instance, or travel. Maybe it's not the object or process in either
case. A guitar or book; these are only vessels the provide something I
want/need to process. Whether their content is information,
satisfaction, equanimity--it's too ephemeral to say.

> Most folks will. OTOH, most folks don't claim to place much value in
> being in a state of enlightenment.

It's tough to value what you don't know and haven't experienced.

[dsi1]

On 11/8/2012 8:15 AM, Gerry wrote:
> On 2012-11-08 17:49:12 +0000, dsi1 said:
>
>> On 11/8/2012 7:21 AM, Gerry wrote:
>>
>>>> Personal relationships are special and important. Things are not.
>>>
>>> To be a musician, which for me is special and important, I need a
>>> thing: A musical instrument. Some circumstances have left me with only a
>>> trombone or drums to deal with, and I do as best I can, but I prefer the
>>> guitar. All are things.
>>
>> We all gots to do our own thing.
>
> I thought we were using "thing" to mean "object"...
>
>> Your thing are those things. To me, the guitar is a nice thing, but
>> it's not my thing. I know my thing.
>
> Since you know it, I'll bite: What's your thing?

Personal relationships.

[dewach...@gmail.com]

Yea, but everything is cosmic mumbo jumbo to you, so that's not surprising. In fact if you actually believed in something you couldn't see, I would be concerned.

Everything begins with a wish or desire, if you have no wish to accomplish something then as you say nothin happens and nothin gets done. The harder you wish for something the closer you are to accomplishment.

dsi, yer kinda like the nothin guy......

[dewach...@gmail.com]

> Most folks will. OTOH, most folks don't claim to place much value in

> being in a state of enlightenment.

I would beg to differ, Buddhist and Hindu's place much value on enlightenment, and many Buddhist's in China Mao was unable to persuade to the dark side....... dsi, don't believe everything you think. I know you can use more than 10% of your brian....... look up once and awhile.

[dewach...@gmail.com]

Geeky photos? Yer a Geek? It ani't over until the fat lady sings. Talking about the galactic alignment..... stuffs gettin real........ doom is on!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6LGLRldLdY&feature=player_embedded

[Gerry]

On 2012-11-08 21:02:19 +0000, dewach...@gmail.com said:

>> Well, it's all cosmic mumbo-jumbo to me. Maybe if you wish
>> really-really hard it'll come true! What I don't get is if everything
>> get destroyed what difference does it make? You get to die happy or
>> something?
>
> Yea, but everything is cosmic mumbo jumbo to you, so that's not surprising.

Not personal relations!

> In fact if you actually believed in something you couldn't see, I would
> be concerned.

I believe in oxygen...

> Everything begins with a wish or desire, if you have no wish to
> accomplish something then as you say nothin happens and nothin gets
> done. The harder you wish for something the closer you are to
> accomplishment.

[Gerry]

I can't quantify your opinions of "much value" and "many buddhists" and
so forth in order to really contest your viewpoint.

But in actuality I was reflexively speaking of the world I know, which
is predominantly the US and Europe.

[dsi1]

On 11/8/2012 11:02 AM, dewach...@gmail.com wrote:
> Yea, but everything is cosmic mumbo jumbo to you, so that's not surprising. In fact if you actually believed in something you couldn't see, I would be concerned.
>
> Everything begins with a wish or desire, if you have no wish to accomplish something then as you say nothin happens and nothin gets done. The harder you wish for something the closer you are to accomplishment.

If what you say was true, Mitts would be president. Fail.

But, not to worry - rest assured that I too, have my own set of untruths
that I believe in. The difference between me and you is that I know that
they are probably untrue and I don't go proudly blathering about it all
on the internet for all to gloat and poke fun at. That's your job.

>
> dsi, yer kinda like the nothin guy......
>

You don't know shit about me and that's the way I intend to keep it.

[dewach...@gmail.com]

I know enough to know your stupid.

[Fadosolrélamisi]

It's amazing how two good friend like us can see the same person so differently.
I have been reading dsi1 (that little 1 is tricky!) for I do not know how long (so why am I mentioning it? eh!) and really I always find his replies very creative, witty, clear, neat, truthful, knowledgeable of life, and fun ... yes! They are fun to read, and ... IMHO he is far from being stupid. So, even though we are friend which have never met, I disagree with you on this virtual judgment you pose on him. That's the break!

Alain

[dewach...@gmail.com]

Friend Alain, your posts are more fruity and nutty. DSI's are boring to me, in fact, I rarely read them, they ramble on, in a ordinary sorta way, and dsi's imagination is limited to his self imposed reality which I see differently. He's also easy to get angry and pissed off, and always ends his post with "that's the breaks" he thinks he is being witty and cleaver, but it sounds repetitious and unimaginative. Is Gerry, his sock puppet?

[Gerry]

On 2012-11-10 10:05:44 +0000, dewach...@gmail.com said:

> Is Gerry, his sock puppet?

I'm not a sock puppet and have been around the music discussions for 12
years or so under this ID. But it's likely true, since I've been in
reading this newsgroup for a very short time, that I haven't quite
accrued a specific "enemies list" yet. If you, as do many others,
define people by who they dislike you might want to consider me an
enemy now and be safe.

[dewach...@gmail.com]

No big deal Gerry, just could figure out why you answered dsi's post for him.

I don't understand your claim that I have enemies here, I don't suffer fools well, but that doesn't mean they are my enemies.... to the contrary, I even like MO..... but that doesn't mean he is always right.

[Fadosolrélamisi]

Well ... I'm not here to change anyone perceptions ... but my hope remain that one day you'll see him for who he his. (IMHO dsi1 brings very positive output in this NG) ... But ... Eh! We can paint the world any way we want...and I'm not going to hold your paint brush.

[dsi1]

On 11/9/2012 7:28 PM, dewach...@gmail.com wrote:

> I know enough to know your stupid.

I'm might be stupid but that don't make you smart. What's your point?

[dewach...@gmail.com]

What an interesting paradox you are proposing, I'll have to ponder the logic a bit and report back.

PS, thanks for the redundancy relief, by not ending your post with your trade mark "that's the breaks" , I really appreciate that.

[dsi1]

I'll add "paradox" to the list of concepts you don't understand. Please
don't report back if you have to ponder an answer to a simple question
because that means you have to come up with a lie. Saying to someone
"your stupid" is not a sign of intelligence.

Your posts are mostly gloating about the latest untruth that you flitter
and flutter moth-like towards. I'm redundant, boring, and stupid, and
you spread lies. I can live very well with that. It's a deal, pal!

[dewach...@gmail.com]

A little touchy aren't we? I notice you've replaced your redundant "breaks slogan" with the even more predictable "it's a deal Pal" excellent choice, but you've used that one out as well, IMHO.

All of this because I didn't accept your statement about "enlightenment" and provided statistics to counter your ignorant self obsessed statement.

I think your statement has a paradoxical air to it...... you state that your stupid, therefore I'm not smart. It a senseless statement like most of your statements, therefore it is a paradox. It is you who does not understand what the definition of a paradox is I'm afraid.

[thomas]

What better and more appropriate to pay tribute to Orphee than with a flame war? Well done, my esteemed colleagues, although I think a little blatant falsification combined with threats of anal rape would make the celebration even more apropos to MO's legacy.

[dsi1]

On 11/10/2012 10:11 AM, dewach...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> A little touchy aren't we? I notice you've replaced your redundant "breaks slogan" with the even more predictable "it's a deal Pal" excellent choice, but you've used that one out as well, IMHO.
>
> All of this because I didn't accept your statement about "enlightenment" and provided statistics to counter your ignorant self obsessed statement.
>
> I think your statement has a paradoxical air to it...... you state that your stupid, therefore I'm not smart. It a senseless statement like most of your statements, therefore it is a paradox. It is you who does not understand what the definition of a paradox is I'm afraid.
>

I'm not going to go back and forth with you on this because you're going
into your throw everything against the wall and see what sticks mode.
That's a game that I've never won. My recommendation is that you don't
read my posts if it offends and bores you. We'll both come out better
for it.

[dsi1]

On 11/10/2012 10:16 AM, thomas wrote:
> What better and more appropriate to pay tribute to Orphee than with a flame war? Well done, my esteemed colleagues, although I think a little blatant falsification combined with threats of anal rape would make the celebration even more apropos to MO's legacy.
>

I try to get away but they keep pulling me back in! Just kidding. The
truth is that I'm kind of a dick.

I see you're posting through the Google Groups mobile interface. What is
your opinion/experience of/with it? I want to know because I believe
it's going to be the way I'll be posting shortly. I dread that. Please
give me reassuring words.

[Gerry]

On 2012-11-10 17:46:08 +0000, dewach...@gmail.com said:

> On Saturday, November 10, 2012 9:59:33 AM UTC-7, Gerry wrote:
>> On 2012-11-10 10:05:44 +0000, dewach...@gmail.com said:
>>
>>> Is Gerry, his sock puppet?
>>
>> I'm not a sock puppet and have been around the music discussions for 12
>> years or so under this ID. But it's likely true, since I've been in
>> reading this newsgroup for a very short time, that I haven't quite
>> accrued a specific "enemies list" yet. If you, as do many others,
>> define people by who they dislike you might want to consider me an
>> enemy now and be safe.
>

> No big deal Gerry, just could figure out why you answered dsi's post for him.

I was ust putting in my two cents where it wasn't requested, I imagine.
Much of the time I do that without checking who a post is from, and
unless it's a personal issue, who it is to.

> I don't understand your claim that I have enemies here...

Your misunderstanding: I said that *I*, not you, had *not* accrued an
enemies list.

[Gerry]

Discussing the participants instead of the subject matter is the number
one way we can make posts about nothing but noise instead of our
beloved shared interests.

[Gerry]

Bend over, I want to tell you a secret.

[Gerry]

On 2012-11-10 20:38:52 +0000, dsi1 said:

> I see you're posting through the Google Groups mobile interface. What
> is your opinion/experience of/with it?

As a non-user my opinion (unrequested) is that it sucks beyond a hint
of redemption.

> I want to know because I believe it's going to be the way I'll be
> posting shortly. I dread that. Please give me reassuring words.

The only reassuring words are to be found in the Bible, but they aren't
as specific as one might like.

You will not have the option of killfiling trouble-makers, stalkers,
trolls, spammers, weasels or jackals in order to concentrate on such as
I: blowhards.

[Fadosolrélamisi]

On Saturday, November 10, 2012 12:16:44 PM UTC-8, thomas wrote:
> What better and more appropriate to pay tribute to Orphee than with a flame war? Well done, my esteemed colleagues, although I think a little blatant falsification combined with threats of anal rape would make the celebration even more apropos to MO's legacy.

yes ... but ... isn't that the way in rmcg? Every gold post turns into shit after a while ... my interpretation is that, the thread being exhausted, there's nothing more to add to it .. people get bored (by one another) a bifurcation occurs, buckets of incivilities flourish, and there here we are, suddenly revealing our virtual insanity to the world! Why do we love so much to explore the state of our capacity for debilitation is a mystery to me. You would think that by now we'd have acquire the wisdom to understand and stop the downward spiral process by which we inevitably hit (and that's every single time!) the bottom of a useless do nothingness kind of game that brings nothing to the noble mission statement this rmcg NG has, long time ago, said it would fulfill when the cyber space opened its doors to the world ... something like : to ______, ___________, __________ ________ the ________ guitar.

[dsi1]

On 11/10/2012 12:14 PM, Gerry wrote:
> On 2012-11-10 20:38:52 +0000, dsi1 said:
>
>> I see you're posting through the Google Groups mobile interface. What
>> is your opinion/experience of/with it?
>
> As a non-user my opinion (unrequested) is that it sucks beyond a hint of
> redemption.

It better be beyond redemption because NNTP apps don't seem to be in the
cards for tablets and mobile devices. The alternatives seem limited.

>
>> I want to know because I believe it's going to be the way I'll be
>> posting shortly. I dread that. Please give me reassuring words.
>
> The only reassuring words are to be found in the Bible, but they aren't
> as specific as one might like.
>
> You will not have the option of killfiling trouble-makers, stalkers,
> trolls, spammers, weasels or jackals in order to concentrate on such as
> I: blowhards.

Google wants to transform Google Groups into more of a social networking
entity. I'm guessing you won't be using killfiles anymore but we'll just
be setting selected users on ignore. Personally, I like GG use of
markers instead of endless quotes - it really cleans up the post. The
ability to remove posts is also an improvement over Usenet.

[Gerry]

On 2012-11-10 23:06:45 +0000, dsi1 said:

>> You will not have the option of killfiling trouble-makers, stalkers,
>> trolls, spammers, weasels or jackals in order to concentrate on such as
>> I: blowhards.
>
> Google wants to transform Google Groups into more of a social
> networking entity. I'm guessing you won't be using killfiles anymore
> but we'll just be setting selected users on ignore. Personally, I like
> GG use of markers instead of endless quotes - it really cleans up the
> post.

Perhaps that's the reason I see posts that just say "You said it, pal?"
or "How many of those do you have?" or other such nonsense with no
quoted text to refer to. But the variety of usenet blunders is many
and varied.

> The ability to remove posts is also an improvement over Usenet.

I don't follow. I batch mark the undesirable as read, or actually read
them. This assumes they aren't kill-filed for having "Islam", "Hitler",
"Nike", and myriad other markers in their subject line, cross-posted et
al.

I'd hate an environment that was google.groups only.

[dewach...@gmail.com]

Honestly, I hardly ever read your posts unless they are short and to the point.

[carlosguitar2000]

On Tuesday, November 6, 2012 4:08:12 PM UTC-6, Alphonsus Jr. wrote:
> Friends,

> it occurs to me that tributes to Matanya Ophee are in order.

Been there, done that...

http://editionsorphee.com/solos/mambo.html

Thanx, again, MO...

[Benoit Meulle-Stef]

How to recognize a Buddhist in a conversation on internet according to Tashy:

The conversation started well 7 posts talking about MO and his accomplishment on the classical guitar world, and then a Buddhist comes in with insults, depreciation and trolling... um... That's funny when I think about old Buddhist ways, it's not the first thing I think about...

Strange isn't it?

Benoît

PS: This conversation is one of the best EVER! But remember to use GAY and NAZI ones so the circle of insults will be accomplish!

[Murdick]

He was completely oblivious to revolution in guitar pedagogy in the last half of the 20th century? That's sort of a tribute. MO used to say that there is nothing new under the sun. I guess he forgot about the industrial revolution and the digital revolution. Oh, and the revolution in genetics. I guess the climate must be good under that rock where he lives.

[thomas]

On Friday, February 1, 2013 3:56:47 PM UTC-5, Murdick wrote:
> He was completely oblivious to revolution in guitar pedagogy in the last half of the 20th century? That's sort of a tribute. MO used to say that there is nothing new under the sun. I guess he forgot about the industrial revolution and the digital revolution. Oh, and the revolution in genetics. I guess the climate must be good under that rock where he lives.>

Surely you're not suggesting that MO crawls out from under a rock to post here?

[Alphonsus Jr.]

On Friday, February 1, 2013 12:56:47 PM UTC-8, Murdick wrote:
> He was completely oblivious to revolution in guitar pedagogy in the last half of the 20th century? That's sort of a tribute. MO used to say that there is nothing new under the sun. I guess he forgot about the industrial revolution and the digital revolution. Oh, and the revolution in genetics. I guess the climate must be good under that rock where he lives.

You seem to be under the impression - no doubt buttressed by your embrace of the myth of progress and consequent chronological snobbery - that revolution is a wonderful thing. It isn't, friend. It isn't. Revolution is from hell. Listen:

http://www.audiosancto.org/sermon/20121104-The-Problem-of-Voting-in-Revolutionary-Times.html

&

http://www.audiosancto.org/sermon/20121118-These-Revolutionary-Times-part-2.html

Along with:

http://www.audiosancto.org/sermon/20071125-The-French-Revolution-as-a-Type-of-the-End-Times-Part-1-of-2.html

&

http://www.audiosancto.org/sermon/20071202-The-French-Revolution-as-a-Type-of-the-End-Times-Part-2-of-2.html

Including:

http://www.audiosancto.org/sermon/20130113-We-Must-Become-Rocks-in-the-River-of-Revolution.html

We must be counter-revolutionaries:

http://www.audiosancto.org/sermon/20120930-The-Archangel-Michael-The-Original-Counter-Revolutionary.html

&

http://www.audiosancto.org/sermon/20120609-Part-1-Catholic-Counter-Revolution.html

&

http://www.audiosancto.org/sermon/20120609-Part-2-Catholic-Counter-Revolutionaries.html

&

http://www.audiosancto.org/sermon/20130113-We-Must-Become-Rocks-in-the-River-of-Revolution.html

[Alphonsus Jr.]

I would also direct you to this devastating critique, by the Brazilian Plinio Correa de Oliveira, of the Revolution; that is, the one Revolution of the last 500 years consisting of the waves of Pseudo-Reformation, Pseudo-Enlightenment, Communism, and the current fourth wave of Tribalism:

http://www.tfp.org/books/revolution_and_counter-revolution.pdf

[Murdick]

I'm not saying all revolutions are good. I'm just saying that MO was unaware of them.

[mata...@gmail.com]

On Friday, February 1, 2013 5:49:18 PM UTC-5, Murdick wrote:
> I'm not saying all revolutions are good. I'm just saying that MO was unaware of them.

If that is your impression, than, as Obama used to say, please proceed. You seem to ignore the fact that what you consider as revolution is nothing more than a regurgitation of the same pedagogy, only dressed up with a new fancy terminology. The business of teaching a student hpw to move a finger across the strings is still the same, now matter what language or terminology you use. It all depends on the personal interaction between one teacher and one student. That interaction is never the same with other teacher-student combinations, and there is simply no way to explain how come some of these revolutions fail to produce any worth-while performers.

Just consider this statistic: the great majority of winners of the GFA competition over the last 20 years or so, were students of teachers who had never heard of Shearer. Amazing, isn't it?

MO.

[Murdick]

The revolution in guitar pedagogy does not belong to one person. Shearer was probably the most influential proponent in the USA. The revolution began, I believe, with teachers analyzing the techniques of Bream and Williams. This analysis was done worldwide. The business of teaching a student hpw to move a finger across the strings is not the same. It is not accident that there are many relatively unknown teachers out there who are producing fine players, whereas the old hacks like Pappas and Pick, who had their choice of hard working, talented students, produced no one. The old boys didn't have the information.