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Alphonsus Jr.
Sep 6, 2012, 9:36:55 PM9/6/12
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This is an excellent group. Unlike our good Herr Bornfeld, I disagree
that this group is inferior to some wandering band of spandex-clad
rubber rollers. Thus I'm curious about whether those of you who voted
for Mustapha Mond....errrr.... Barack Obama in 2008 will yet again
allow yourselves to be conned by him in 2012. Will you?
It doesn't matter much to me. My ticket - Ferdinand & Isabella - has
no chance of winning. Here's the bumper sticker on my car right now:
Real Change
Ferdinand & Isabella in 2012
Our Only Hope
People ask me about it. "But what does it MEAN?" they say. Sometimes I
tell the truth, that the radical change of installing dead bones in
the White House would be better than either Obama or Romney. Moreover,
it means that since Ferdinand & Isabella are our only hope, and since
they're in fact dead, there is in fact no hope.
"Ridiculous!" say they.
See, most today operate under a fundamentally flawed assumption;
namely, the assumption that the United States of America still exists.
Simply because the name remains, they continue to mistakenly assume
this. They scream to put out the fire - but the house has already
burned down. Gone. Ashes.
And not even smoldering ashes, because this has been the case for at
least the last 80 years. The founders and citizens of the actual
United States wouldn't recognize this as the country they founded and
built - and technology is the last reason why. The people, what they
embrace (in modern-speak, their "values"), and how they live are among
the first.
Just as the legalization of surgical infanticide is an EFFECT rather
than a cause of this disintegration, so was the election of Barack
Obama. And I fully expect him to be re-elected. Such is the
breakdown.
Let's look at an example of said breakdown.
The word “liberty,” like so much of our language today, has been
thoroughly debased. (Speaking of which, hasn’t that formerly cheerful,
defenseless little word “gay” received enough abuse at this point?).
I’m reminded of the theory that the breakdown of language precedes the
breakdown of civilization – not, as many think, vice-versa.
The debasement of the word “liberty” has now been going on for
centuries. This is in no small part due to the mass absorption of the
utilitarianism preached by the likes of Bentham, Mill, et al. And in
truth the debasement of this word was well under way by 1776. It hung
on by a mere thread. That thread has since been cut.
What is liberty? First, what is liberty NOT? Simply the absence of
restraint.
True liberty involves a certain ordering of soul. Where there’s
disorder in the soul, there can be no liberty. More specifically,
where there’s slavery to one’s passions, there is no liberty.
Thus a prisoner in solitary confinement may be freer than the man
who’s abandoned himself to pornography, as long as the rule of reason
prevails in this prisoner’s soul. He may be shackled, gagged, beaten
and hosed on a daily basis – yet he may remain free while the
pornofanatic remains a slave.
Now think of all the vices to which men, whom the world sees as free,
are enslaved. Behold the myriad of new electronic devices which forge
stronger chains of slavery every day. For example, legions of men,
grown men, are today hooked on video games. Can a permanent adolescent
be a free man?
Think of Paul Ryan at the Republican convention shamelessly declaring
before the world that “my iPod starts at AC/DC and ends at Zeppelin.”
Can a free man ever make such a declaration?
The rule of reason demands a negative to both questions. Only slaves
live like this.
Think of the herds of “individuals” today who have branded themselves
with tattoos. Free? Impossible. All slaves to fashion.
We could go on and on and on….
As for a state, how does it secure and preserve liberty? It must first
acknowledge that government does NOT derive its just powers from
below, but from above. Thus the consent of the governed is NOT the
test of governmental legitimacy. Rather, the test is the extent to
which the laws of the state conform to the laws of God. Only where
there is such conformity may a body politic be called free.
Conformity? We're all conformists. We're conformed either to the City
of God or to the City of Man.
Suggested reading:
Aristotle, Nicomachean Ethics
St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica
Pope Leo XIII, Immortale Dei
Pope Pius XI, Quas Primas
that this group is inferior to some wandering band of spandex-clad
rubber rollers. Thus I'm curious about whether those of you who voted
for Mustapha Mond....errrr.... Barack Obama in 2008 will yet again
allow yourselves to be conned by him in 2012. Will you?
It doesn't matter much to me. My ticket - Ferdinand & Isabella - has
no chance of winning. Here's the bumper sticker on my car right now:
Real Change
Ferdinand & Isabella in 2012
Our Only Hope
People ask me about it. "But what does it MEAN?" they say. Sometimes I
tell the truth, that the radical change of installing dead bones in
the White House would be better than either Obama or Romney. Moreover,
it means that since Ferdinand & Isabella are our only hope, and since
they're in fact dead, there is in fact no hope.
"Ridiculous!" say they.
See, most today operate under a fundamentally flawed assumption;
namely, the assumption that the United States of America still exists.
Simply because the name remains, they continue to mistakenly assume
this. They scream to put out the fire - but the house has already
burned down. Gone. Ashes.
And not even smoldering ashes, because this has been the case for at
least the last 80 years. The founders and citizens of the actual
United States wouldn't recognize this as the country they founded and
built - and technology is the last reason why. The people, what they
embrace (in modern-speak, their "values"), and how they live are among
the first.
Just as the legalization of surgical infanticide is an EFFECT rather
than a cause of this disintegration, so was the election of Barack
Obama. And I fully expect him to be re-elected. Such is the
breakdown.
Let's look at an example of said breakdown.
The word “liberty,” like so much of our language today, has been
thoroughly debased. (Speaking of which, hasn’t that formerly cheerful,
defenseless little word “gay” received enough abuse at this point?).
I’m reminded of the theory that the breakdown of language precedes the
breakdown of civilization – not, as many think, vice-versa.
The debasement of the word “liberty” has now been going on for
centuries. This is in no small part due to the mass absorption of the
utilitarianism preached by the likes of Bentham, Mill, et al. And in
truth the debasement of this word was well under way by 1776. It hung
on by a mere thread. That thread has since been cut.
What is liberty? First, what is liberty NOT? Simply the absence of
restraint.
True liberty involves a certain ordering of soul. Where there’s
disorder in the soul, there can be no liberty. More specifically,
where there’s slavery to one’s passions, there is no liberty.
Thus a prisoner in solitary confinement may be freer than the man
who’s abandoned himself to pornography, as long as the rule of reason
prevails in this prisoner’s soul. He may be shackled, gagged, beaten
and hosed on a daily basis – yet he may remain free while the
pornofanatic remains a slave.
Now think of all the vices to which men, whom the world sees as free,
are enslaved. Behold the myriad of new electronic devices which forge
stronger chains of slavery every day. For example, legions of men,
grown men, are today hooked on video games. Can a permanent adolescent
be a free man?
Think of Paul Ryan at the Republican convention shamelessly declaring
before the world that “my iPod starts at AC/DC and ends at Zeppelin.”
Can a free man ever make such a declaration?
The rule of reason demands a negative to both questions. Only slaves
live like this.
Think of the herds of “individuals” today who have branded themselves
with tattoos. Free? Impossible. All slaves to fashion.
We could go on and on and on….
As for a state, how does it secure and preserve liberty? It must first
acknowledge that government does NOT derive its just powers from
below, but from above. Thus the consent of the governed is NOT the
test of governmental legitimacy. Rather, the test is the extent to
which the laws of the state conform to the laws of God. Only where
there is such conformity may a body politic be called free.
Conformity? We're all conformists. We're conformed either to the City
of God or to the City of Man.
Suggested reading:
Aristotle, Nicomachean Ethics
St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica
Pope Leo XIII, Immortale Dei
Pope Pius XI, Quas Primas
Alphonsus Jr.
Sep 6, 2012, 9:49:22 PM9/6/12
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By the way, I just heard Mr. Biden say this when talking about the
auto bailout:
"When things hung in the balance, I mean LITERALLY hung in the
balance...."
What might that have looked like?
auto bailout:
"When things hung in the balance, I mean LITERALLY hung in the
balance...."
What might that have looked like?
Alphonsus Jr.
Sep 6, 2012, 9:52:32 PM9/6/12
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Mr. Biden just said of our special forces:
"LITERALLY the finest soldiers in the history of the world!"
Fascinating!
I don't buy it. You?
"LITERALLY the finest soldiers in the history of the world!"
Fascinating!
I don't buy it. You?
Alphonsus Jr.
Sep 6, 2012, 10:05:05 PM9/6/12
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Mr. Biden, emphatically:
"America is NOT IN DECLINE."
Agreed! It's already dead.
"America is NOT IN DECLINE."
Agreed! It's already dead.
Alphonsus Jr.
Sep 6, 2012, 10:08:39 PM9/6/12
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Mr. Biden is now choking up on cue.
You buying it?
You buying it?
Tommy Grand
Sep 6, 2012, 10:10:24 PM9/6/12
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On Sep 6, 8:08 pm, "Alphonsus Jr." <alphonsu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Mr. Biden is now choking up on cue.
>
> You buying it?
I think the prompter froze and he was winging it -- LITERALLY
> Mr. Biden is now choking up on cue.
>
> You buying it?
Alphonsus Jr.
Sep 6, 2012, 10:13:21 PM9/6/12
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On Sep 6, 7:10 pm, Tommy Grand <howardj...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I think the prompter froze and he was winging it -- LITERALLY
hehehe.... Actually you might be right.
> I think the prompter froze and he was winging it -- LITERALLY
Tommy Grand
Sep 6, 2012, 10:16:58 PM9/6/12
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Alphonsus Jr.
Sep 6, 2012, 10:25:36 PM9/6/12
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On Sep 6, 7:16 pm, Tommy Grand <howardj...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Is that Clooney narrating the Obama video?
It might be. The voice is a bit hazy to me. Wasn't this Clooney in
> Is that Clooney narrating the Obama video?
some show called Emergency! or something?
Alphonsus Jr.
Sep 6, 2012, 10:27:10 PM9/6/12
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Mustapaha Mond's speech is now starting. Observe closely the adulation
he receives. Verily, the religious devotion....
he receives. Verily, the religious devotion....
Alphonsus Jr.
Sep 6, 2012, 10:37:17 PM9/6/12
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Mond is now selling the notion that FDR cured the Depression rather
than prolonged it. And they're buying it. Amazing!
than prolonged it. And they're buying it. Amazing!
Alphonsus Jr.
Sep 6, 2012, 10:41:37 PM9/6/12
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"Climate Change." Note that shift from "Global Warming."
Tommy Grand
Sep 6, 2012, 10:44:40 PM9/6/12
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On Sep 6, 8:41 pm, "Alphonsus Jr." <alphonsu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Climate Change." Note that shift from "Global Warming."
Note also his promise to cut oil imports in half by 2020. In 2008, he
> "Climate Change." Note that shift from "Global Warming."
promised to end them by 2018.
Alphonsus Jr.
Sep 6, 2012, 10:47:11 PM9/6/12
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Note the unusually energetic chants of "USA, USA, USA!!!" from these
Democrats. Clearly, this command has come from on high.
Democrats. Clearly, this command has come from on high.
Alphonsus Jr.
Sep 6, 2012, 10:49:32 PM9/6/12
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Observe the Leninist call for permanent revolution.
Alphonsus Jr.
Sep 6, 2012, 10:52:51 PM9/6/12
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Behold the frequent use of class rhetoric, thus stirring up
resentment. This vice, rooted in the capital sin of envy, is very
powerful. Mond knows this, of course. Such is demagoguery.
resentment. This vice, rooted in the capital sin of envy, is very
powerful. Mond knows this, of course. Such is demagoguery.
John Nguyen
Sep 7, 2012, 12:35:48 AM9/7/12
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snide comment to your posts, but I feel vey indifferent now on who
will get elected this November. Don't get me wrong! I still think this
is the greatest country with plenty of opportunities for those who
seek. But somehow, I started to realize that there is more chance one
would get screwed by than get help from big brothers, regardless of
what country on lives in. I think I'm getting more and more cynical -
must be part of the aging process. Dang, that's depressing!
Cheers,
John
Cactus Wren
Sep 7, 2012, 12:44:15 AM9/7/12
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complain more about taxes, and demand the government be dismantled in
proportion to the amount of Medicare, Social Security, and government
pensions they receive. And they start to really like buffets.
John Nguyen
Sep 7, 2012, 1:00:29 AM9/7/12
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On Sep 7, 12:44 am, Cactus Wren <elegantspanishgui...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> pensions they receive. And they start to really like buffets.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Actually, the fact check is the most depressing, as it shows everyone
lies through their teeth, equally on both sides! Somehow the
credibility is not there anymore.
wrote:
>
> - Show quoted text -
Actually, the fact check is the most depressing, as it shows everyone
lies through their teeth, equally on both sides! Somehow the
credibility is not there anymore.
Andrew Schulman
Sep 7, 2012, 1:09:58 AM9/7/12
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Here's what I'm hoping for.
I'm hoping Michael Thames saunters through here and sees that Jackson
is back, and sees either this thread, but it could be really any
thread Jackson either starts, or is even just in, and then the two of
them take off into literally the longest two person posting duel in
the history of the internet until finally one day, probably years from
now, Wollybird sees whats goin' on and jumps in, and then it becomes a
ménage à trois, and it just keeps going and going, and then finally
either Doug Seth or Seth Himmelhoch, or maybe Steve Friedes, jumps in
and says, "Hey, how about you guys talk about something classical
guitar related, goddamit!" and from that point on there is a brief
discussion about how great the RMCG used to be when that guy, I forget
his name, Bob Something I think, used to post really good On Topic
posts, and now I'm forgetting what it was I was getting to, or hoping
for, oh yeah, now I remember: I'm not saying the lunatic fringe has
returned here because Lord knows it never left.
Oh yeah, and that new Dylan tune, Duquesne Whistle, is really great,
Or What!?!
Thanks for listening,
Andrew
I'm hoping Michael Thames saunters through here and sees that Jackson
is back, and sees either this thread, but it could be really any
thread Jackson either starts, or is even just in, and then the two of
them take off into literally the longest two person posting duel in
the history of the internet until finally one day, probably years from
now, Wollybird sees whats goin' on and jumps in, and then it becomes a
ménage à trois, and it just keeps going and going, and then finally
either Doug Seth or Seth Himmelhoch, or maybe Steve Friedes, jumps in
and says, "Hey, how about you guys talk about something classical
guitar related, goddamit!" and from that point on there is a brief
discussion about how great the RMCG used to be when that guy, I forget
his name, Bob Something I think, used to post really good On Topic
posts, and now I'm forgetting what it was I was getting to, or hoping
for, oh yeah, now I remember: I'm not saying the lunatic fringe has
returned here because Lord knows it never left.
Oh yeah, and that new Dylan tune, Duquesne Whistle, is really great,
Or What!?!
Thanks for listening,
Andrew
John Nguyen
Sep 7, 2012, 1:15:21 AM9/7/12
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On Sep 7, 1:09 am, Andrew Schulman <and...@abacaproductions.com>
wrote:
But we want a lively RMCG, don't we? :-)
Cheers,
John
wrote:
Cheers,
John
Cactus Wren
Sep 7, 2012, 1:23:36 AM9/7/12
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mouthpieces of the Democrats, there at least exists a solution--vote
out the other guys, etc. and everything will be set aright. Our
society craves quick fixes and easy answers. But beyond the big-time
politically-enabled heists like the bailouts, the wars, the
Clearchannel giveaways, etc., the level of trust seems to be worse
even for individuals. It seems to me that people are ruder, more
dishonest, and more mercenary, even on a personal level, than had been
the case. It must be a result of anomie, weak social bonds, and the
destruction of community. Who can fault Jackson for yearning for the
good old days of the Church, when everyone knew their places?
John Nguyen
Sep 7, 2012, 1:39:27 AM9/7/12
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>
> - Show quoted text -
I think the lack of common goal could be a problem. It's just too much
> - Show quoted text -
disinformation and propaganda that confuses the heck out of everyone.
I lived under the communist regime for a few years and I used to think
they were the worst in that department! But now I think they have
serious competitors.
I'm not sure how this situation can be fixed. Who are you going to
trust? The one who lies less?
By the way, one quick fix for lack of common goal is to start a war to
entice a sense of patriotism, at least from the beginning. Isn't it
scary?
Cheers,
John
Alphonsus Jr.
Sep 7, 2012, 4:18:20 AM9/7/12
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On Sep 6, 9:35 pm, John Nguyen <johnnguyen5...@gmail.com> wrote:
power of positive thinking, I'd say that you're seeing more and more
clearly. Rejoice!
Alphonsus Jr.
Sep 7, 2012, 4:19:50 AM9/7/12
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Alphonsus Jr.
Sep 7, 2012, 4:20:46 AM9/7/12
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Alphonsus Jr.
Sep 7, 2012, 4:36:23 AM9/7/12
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Another thing I can't stand is the blasted Drudge Report. It's run by
a pack of shameless vulgarians, fearmongers, and neocons. They're very
far from real conservatives. Thus we're now forced to call ourselves
traditionalists. And you won't see any of us on Fox and all the rest
of it.
DEMOCRATS of 50 years ago would see today's "conservatives" as liberal
savages. And Democrats of today would deem the real John F. Kennedy a
fascist.
Such is the breakdown.
a pack of shameless vulgarians, fearmongers, and neocons. They're very
far from real conservatives. Thus we're now forced to call ourselves
traditionalists. And you won't see any of us on Fox and all the rest
of it.
DEMOCRATS of 50 years ago would see today's "conservatives" as liberal
savages. And Democrats of today would deem the real John F. Kennedy a
fascist.
Such is the breakdown.
Benoit Meulle-Stef
Sep 7, 2012, 4:43:44 AM9/7/12
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Alphonsus, you are amazing, I rarelly have seen so many bullshit out of 1 post... Talking about con
Do you remember a Republican starting a war in a country for no good reason than stilling oil AND using FAKE infos?
Remember blaming Obama for a bail out signed by Bush?
But you have you head too up your arse to even start to understand...
Benoît
Do you remember a Republican starting a war in a country for no good reason than stilling oil AND using FAKE infos?
Remember blaming Obama for a bail out signed by Bush?
But you have you head too up your arse to even start to understand...
Benoît
Benoit Meulle-Stef
Sep 7, 2012, 4:44:44 AM9/7/12
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By the way did you took Doug place or are you his twin?
Benoît
Benoît
Dick Cheney
Sep 7, 2012, 8:46:29 AM9/7/12
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Dick Cheney
Sep 7, 2012, 8:50:27 AM9/7/12
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Dick Cheney
Sep 7, 2012, 8:58:37 AM9/7/12
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Dick Cheney
Sep 7, 2012, 9:22:28 AM9/7/12
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On Sep 7, 12:09 am, Andrew Schulman <and...@abacaproductions.com>
wrote:
As the Irishman said, "is this a private fight, or can anyone get in?"
I'm here all day, but someone needs to get the ball rolling by calling
Jackson an ape
wrote:
I'm here all day, but someone needs to get the ball rolling by calling
Jackson an ape
Dick Cheney
Sep 7, 2012, 9:24:29 AM9/7/12
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apes
Cactus Wren
Sep 7, 2012, 10:31:46 AM9/7/12
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Fadosolrélamisi
Sep 7, 2012, 10:34:37 AM9/7/12
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John Nguyen
Sep 7, 2012, 11:17:16 AM9/7/12
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On Friday, September 7, 2012 8:46:30 AM UTC-4, Dick Cheney wrote:
> On Sep 6, 11:35 pm, John Nguyen <johnnguyen5...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sep 6, 10:52 pm, "Alphonsus Jr." <alphonsu...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Behold the frequent use of class rhetoric, thus stirring up > > resentment. This vice, rooted in the capital sin of envy, is very > > powerful. Mond knows this, of course. Such is demagoguery. > > It's scary! A few years back I would have had the urge to make some > snide comment to your posts, but I feel vey indifferent now on who > will get elected this November. Don't get me wrong! I still think this > is the greatest country with plenty of opportunities for those who > seek. But somehow, I started to realize that there is more chance one > would get screwed by than get help from big brothers, regardless of > what country on lives in. I think I'm getting more and more cynical - > must be part of the aging process. Dang, that's depressing! > Cheers, > > John To put it in perspective, it's not as bad as the election of 1828.
I actually like Obama as he is the single most important reason for me to beleive that my off-springs can one day could one day break through whatever ceiling that's limiting their potentials. I'm just deeply discouraged by the people around him. I hope that he can trim off the incompetent, the corrupted, the dishonest, the special-interest influenced surounding him. But the alternative will be just as bad, or worse!
> On Sep 6, 11:35 pm, John Nguyen <johnnguyen5...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sep 6, 10:52 pm, "Alphonsus Jr." <alphonsu...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Behold the frequent use of class rhetoric, thus stirring up > > resentment. This vice, rooted in the capital sin of envy, is very > > powerful. Mond knows this, of course. Such is demagoguery. > > It's scary! A few years back I would have had the urge to make some > snide comment to your posts, but I feel vey indifferent now on who > will get elected this November. Don't get me wrong! I still think this > is the greatest country with plenty of opportunities for those who > seek. But somehow, I started to realize that there is more chance one > would get screwed by than get help from big brothers, regardless of > what country on lives in. I think I'm getting more and more cynical - > must be part of the aging process. Dang, that's depressing! > Cheers, > > John To put it in perspective, it's not as bad as the election of 1828.
I can't help but wonder about how we can reduce the national debt. It's 16T and growing. If I run my family like that, my wife would kill me in an instance!
Probably a war between the USA and China will solve the debt problem, but that would set a bad example for the kids, wouldn't it?
Cheers,
John
David Raleigh Arnold
Sep 7, 2012, 12:03:47 PM9/7/12
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On Thu, 06 Sep 2012 18:28:56 -0700, Alphonsus Jr. wrote:
> This is an excellent group. Unlike our good Herr Bornfeld, I disagree
> that this group is inferior to some wandering band of spandex-clad
> rubber rollers. Thus I'm curious about whether those of you who voted
> for Mustapha Mond....errrr.... Barack Obama in 2008 will yet again allow
> yourselves to be conned by him in 2012. Will you?
Obama is trying to put a band aid on a gushing arterial would. The
Republicans just want to drink the blood. Choose Obama.
--
Guitar teaching materials and original music for all styles and levels.
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> This is an excellent group. Unlike our good Herr Bornfeld, I disagree
> that this group is inferior to some wandering band of spandex-clad
> rubber rollers. Thus I'm curious about whether those of you who voted
> for Mustapha Mond....errrr.... Barack Obama in 2008 will yet again allow
> yourselves to be conned by him in 2012. Will you?
Obama is trying to put a band aid on a gushing arterial would. The
Republicans just want to drink the blood. Choose Obama.
--
Guitar teaching materials and original music for all styles and levels.
Site: http://www.openguitar.com (()) eMail: d.raleig...@gmail.com
Contact: http://www.openguitar.com/contact.html"
Cactus Wren
Sep 7, 2012, 12:08:00 PM9/7/12
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his staff and cabinet, post-election, were plenty of warning for what
was to come.
Dick Cheney
Sep 7, 2012, 12:51:12 PM9/7/12
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another's income- we shouldn't ordinarily have deficit spending (as we
had for the last 30 years), but with real interest rates now below
zero percent and a significant level of unemployment, to cut spending
now would be disastrous for unemployment (Romney knows this, btw- he
just can't say it out loud ). It's unfortunate that Obama didn't push
harder on the stimulus when he had the opportunity- but now, it too
late and we have a few more years of this to look forward to.
If you watch (or watched) Clinton's speech, he gave a pretty fair
critique of Ryan's budget (which is ridiculous- it doesn't reduce the
deficit, it's just a transfer of wealth, and kicks the hell out of the
poor for good measure).
As a percent of GDP, we are not yet worse off than we were after WWII-
that debt was paid for by increasing taxes on everyone (the Bush tax
cuts are, by far, the largest component of the current deficit).
The other big issue is medical costs. We spend 18% of gdp on medical
expenses. The CBO projects this will go to 40%- not sustainable. most
other countries spend half that, with better outcomes. Copy France's
or Germany's system, for instance and you've licked the medicare
problem
Unfortunately, the republican party has jumped the shark, and the Dems
are just too weak to do what needs to be done
- I think it's going to take a velvet revolution of sorts for our
society to get there.
countries going to war over trade imbalances is a remnant of the gold
standard, btw
Alphonsus Jr.
Sep 7, 2012, 2:36:54 PM9/7/12
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At any rate, I'm no Republican.
Alphonsus Jr.
Sep 7, 2012, 2:40:23 PM9/7/12
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> so, you're a paleoconservative now?
Insofar as they advocate such teachings as found in, for example, Pope
Leo XIII's Immortale Dei and Pope Pius XI's Quas Primas.
Alphonsus Jr.
Sep 7, 2012, 2:46:30 PM9/7/12
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Fooled by his words on contraception and abortion, many are under the
impression that Pope John Paul II was a conservative. This couldn't be
farther from the truth. Theologically, JPII drunk deeply from the
poisoned well of Modernism. He was thoroughly a man of World War III -
that is, of the Second Vatican Council. As such, he's very far from
being a hero of traditional Catholics. He's a hero of NeoCatholics.
See:
http://www.dailycatholic.org/issue/2002Oct/oct9tra.htm
"At the close of a long life (for I was born in 1905 and I now see the
year 1990), I can say that it has been marked by exceptional world
events: three world wars, that which took place from 1914 to 1918,
that which took place from 1939 to 1945, and that of the Second
Vatican Council from 1962 to 1965. The disasters caused by these three
wars, and especially by the last of them, are incalculable in the
domain of material ruins, but even more so in the spiritual realm. The
first two paved the way for the war inside the Church...."
-Abp. Marcel Lefebvre
impression that Pope John Paul II was a conservative. This couldn't be
farther from the truth. Theologically, JPII drunk deeply from the
poisoned well of Modernism. He was thoroughly a man of World War III -
that is, of the Second Vatican Council. As such, he's very far from
being a hero of traditional Catholics. He's a hero of NeoCatholics.
See:
http://www.dailycatholic.org/issue/2002Oct/oct9tra.htm
"At the close of a long life (for I was born in 1905 and I now see the
year 1990), I can say that it has been marked by exceptional world
events: three world wars, that which took place from 1914 to 1918,
that which took place from 1939 to 1945, and that of the Second
Vatican Council from 1962 to 1965. The disasters caused by these three
wars, and especially by the last of them, are incalculable in the
domain of material ruins, but even more so in the spiritual realm. The
first two paved the way for the war inside the Church...."
-Abp. Marcel Lefebvre
Dick Cheney
Sep 7, 2012, 3:44:48 PM9/7/12
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Alphonsus Jr.
Sep 7, 2012, 4:07:16 PM9/7/12
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On Sep 7, 12:44 pm, Dick Cheney <andrewrobinson...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I knew it. A French Catholic.
Je vous souhaite santé et jours heureux, mon ami.
> I knew it. A French Catholic.
Alphonsus Jr.
Sep 7, 2012, 4:08:53 PM9/7/12
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> I knew it. A French Catholic.
And you've reminded me to once again take heed of this:
"L'inquiétude est le plus grand mal qui arrive en l'âme, excepté le
péché. Car comme les séditions et troubles intérieurs d'une république
la ruinent entièrement et l'empêchent qu'elle ne puisse résister à
l'étranger, ainsi notre coeur, étant troublé et inquiété en soi-même,
perd la force de maintenir les vertus qu'il avait acquises, et par
conséquent le moyen de résister aux tentations de l'ennemi, lequel
fait alors toutes sortes d'efforts pour pêcher, comme l'on dit, en eau
trouble".
-St. Francois de Sales, Introduction a la Vie Dévote, 4.11
Merci.
Dick Cheney
Sep 7, 2012, 4:41:11 PM9/7/12
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On Sep 7, 3:08 pm, "Alphonsus Jr." <alphonsu...@gmail.com> wrote:
serious problem and decide I must tell the Pope about it. Then I wake
up completely and remember that I am the Pope.”
Pope John XXIII
Alphonsus Jr.
Sep 7, 2012, 5:17:26 PM9/7/12
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> “It often happens that I wake up at night and begin to think about
a
> serious problem and decide I must tell the Pope about it. Then I wake
> up completely and remember that I am the Pope.”
>
> Pope John XXIII
Tragically, his pontificate was a disaster. We today live amongst its
a
> serious problem and decide I must tell the Pope about it. Then I wake
> up completely and remember that I am the Pope.”
>
> Pope John XXIII
wreckage.
a.robi...@gmail.com
Sep 7, 2012, 7:10:01 PM9/7/12
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Fadosolrélamisi
Sep 7, 2012, 7:34:00 PM9/7/12
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Our Canadian political landscape is quite uninteresting ... but despite that, we come a long way and we are continuing to improve! Imagine we have now 3 women as provincial minister on a count of 13, and that's just a beginning!!! The latest has been elected no latter than this past Monday! (and if you are slightly interested in Canadian politics ... ho! well ... forget it!)
Murdick
Sep 7, 2012, 8:08:43 PM9/7/12
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On Thursday, September 6, 2012 8:36:55 PM UTC-5, Alphonsus Jr. wrote:
> This is an excellent group. Unlike our good Herr Bornfeld, I disagree
>
> that this group is inferior to some wandering band of spandex-clad
>
> rubber rollers. Thus I'm curious about whether those of you who voted
>
> for Mustapha Mond....errrr.... Barack Obama in 2008 will yet again
>
> allow yourselves to be conned by him in 2012. Will you?
>
>
>
> It doesn't matter much to me. My ticket - Ferdinand & Isabella - has
> This is an excellent group. Unlike our good Herr Bornfeld, I disagree
>
> that this group is inferior to some wandering band of spandex-clad
>
> rubber rollers. Thus I'm curious about whether those of you who voted
>
> for Mustapha Mond....errrr.... Barack Obama in 2008 will yet again
>
> allow yourselves to be conned by him in 2012. Will you?
>
>
>
>
> no chance of winning. Here's the bumper sticker on my car right now:
>
>
>
> Real Change
>
> Ferdinand & Isabella in 2012
>
> Our Only Hope
>
>
>
> People ask me about it. "But what does it MEAN?" they say. Sometimes I
>
> tell the truth, that the radical change of installing dead bones in
>
> the White House would be better than either Obama or Romney. Moreover,
>
> it means that since Ferdinand & Isabella are our only hope, and since
>
> they're in fact dead, there is in fact no hope.
>
>
>
> "Ridiculous!" say they.
>
>
>
> See, most today operate under a fundamentally flawed assumption;
>
> namely, the assumption that the United States of America still exists.
>
> Simply because the name remains, they continue to mistakenly assume
>
> this. They scream to put out the fire - but the house has already
>
> burned down. Gone. Ashes.
>
>
>
> And not even smoldering ashes, because this has been the case for at
>
> least the last 80 years. The founders and citizens of the actual
>
> United States wouldn't recognize this as the country they founded and
>
> built - and technology is the last reason why. The people, what they
>
> embrace (in modern-speak, their "values"), and how they live are among
>
> the first.
>
>
>
> Just as the legalization of surgical infanticide is an EFFECT rather
>
> than a cause of this disintegration, so was the election of Barack
>
> Obama. And I fully expect him to be re-elected. Such is the
>
> breakdown.
>
>
>
> Let's look at an example of said breakdown.
>
>
>
> The word “liberty,” like so much of our language today, has been
>
> thoroughly debased. (Speaking of which, hasn’t that formerly cheerful,
>
> defenseless little word “gay” received enough abuse at this point?).
>
> I’m reminded of the theory that the breakdown of language precedes the
>
> breakdown of civilization – not, as many think, vice-versa.
>
>
>
> The debasement of the word “liberty” has now been going on for
>
> centuries. This is in no small part due to the mass absorption of the
>
> utilitarianism preached by the likes of Bentham, Mill, et al. And in
>
> truth the debasement of this word was well under way by 1776. It hung
>
> on by a mere thread. That thread has since been cut.
>
>
>
> What is liberty? First, what is liberty NOT? Simply the absence of
>
> restraint.
>
>
>
> True liberty involves a certain ordering of soul. Where there’s
>
> disorder in the soul, there can be no liberty. More specifically,
>
> where there’s slavery to one’s passions, there is no liberty.
>
>
>
> Thus a prisoner in solitary confinement may be freer than the man
>
> who’s abandoned himself to pornography, as long as the rule of reason
>
> prevails in this prisoner’s soul. He may be shackled, gagged, beaten
>
> and hosed on a daily basis – yet he may remain free while the
>
> pornofanatic remains a slave.
>
>
>
> Now think of all the vices to which men, whom the world sees as free,
>
> are enslaved. Behold the myriad of new electronic devices which forge
>
> stronger chains of slavery every day. For example, legions of men,
>
> grown men, are today hooked on video games. Can a permanent adolescent
>
> be a free man?
>
>
>
> Think of Paul Ryan at the Republican convention shamelessly declaring
>
> before the world that “my iPod starts at AC/DC and ends at Zeppelin.”
>
> Can a free man ever make such a declaration?
>
>
>
> The rule of reason demands a negative to both questions. Only slaves
>
> live like this.
>
>
>
> Think of the herds of “individuals” today who have branded themselves
>
> with tattoos. Free? Impossible. All slaves to fashion.
>
>
>
> We could go on and on and on….
>
>
>
> As for a state, how does it secure and preserve liberty? It must first
>
> acknowledge that government does NOT derive its just powers from
>
> below, but from above. Thus the consent of the governed is NOT the
>
> test of governmental legitimacy. Rather, the test is the extent to
>
> which the laws of the state conform to the laws of God. Only where
>
> there is such conformity may a body politic be called free.
>
>
>
> Conformity? We're all conformists. We're conformed either to the City
>
> of God or to the City of Man.
>
>
>
> Suggested reading:
>
>
>
> Aristotle, Nicomachean Ethics
>
>
>
> St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica
>
>
>
> Pope Leo XIII, Immortale Dei
>
>
>
> Pope Pius XI, Quas Primas
Obama may be the first president in our history to completely halt what was to be a severe depression. Almost four years ago, after Bush fucked up the country, when I stopped for a train, there was only three or four train cars to wait for. I have never seen that in my lifetime. Now I have to wait 10 minutes or more.
a.robi...@gmail.com
Sep 7, 2012, 10:19:20 PM9/7/12
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On Friday, September 7, 2012 7:08:43 PM UTC-5, Murdick wrote:
> On Thursday, September 6, 2012 8:36:55 PM UTC-5, Alphonsus Jr. wrote:
>
> > This is an excellent group. Unlike our good Herr Bornfeld, I disagree
>
>>
> On Thursday, September 6, 2012 8:36:55 PM UTC-5, Alphonsus Jr. wrote:
>
> > This is an excellent group. Unlike our good Herr Bornfeld, I disagree
>
>>
> > Pope Pius XI, Quas Primas
>
> Obama may be the first president in our history to completely halt what was to be a severe depression. Almost four years ago, after Bush fucked up the country, when I stopped for a train, there was only three or four train cars to wait for. I have never seen that in my lifetime. Now I have to wait 10 minutes or more.
He's the first one to have the opportunity. It's too bad we had 86 tea baggers in congress to make this thing worse than it should have been.
>
> Obama may be the first president in our history to completely halt what was to be a severe depression. Almost four years ago, after Bush fucked up the country, when I stopped for a train, there was only three or four train cars to wait for. I have never seen that in my lifetime. Now I have to wait 10 minutes or more.
himmelhoch
Sep 7, 2012, 11:19:21 PM9/7/12
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On Friday, September 7, 2012 2:46:30 PM UTC-4, Alphonsus Jr. wrote:
> "At the close of a long life (for I was born in 1905 and I now see the
>
> year 1990), I can say that it has been marked by exceptional world
>
> events: three world wars, that which took place from 1914 to 1918,
>
> that which took place from 1939 to 1945, and that of the Second
>
> Vatican Council from 1962 to 1965. The disasters caused by these three
>
> wars, and especially by the last of them, are incalculable in the
>
> domain of material ruins, but even more so in the spiritual realm. The
>
> first two paved the way for the war inside the Church...."
>
>
>
> -Abp. Marcel Lefebvre
To equate an intramural theological argument to an actual total war in which millions of people are horribly killed is offensive, self-centered and absurd.
> "At the close of a long life (for I was born in 1905 and I now see the
>
> year 1990), I can say that it has been marked by exceptional world
>
> events: three world wars, that which took place from 1914 to 1918,
>
> that which took place from 1939 to 1945, and that of the Second
>
> Vatican Council from 1962 to 1965. The disasters caused by these three
>
> wars, and especially by the last of them, are incalculable in the
>
> domain of material ruins, but even more so in the spiritual realm. The
>
> first two paved the way for the war inside the Church...."
>
>
>
> -Abp. Marcel Lefebvre
Cactus Wren
Sep 8, 2012, 1:23:57 AM9/8/12
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hippie Masses, you were probably lying in bed and recovering from a
Slayer-induced sore neck.
Alphonsus Jr.
Sep 8, 2012, 1:56:26 AM9/8/12
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On Sep 7, 8:19 pm, himmelhoch <himmelh...@verizon.net> wrote:
> To equate an intramural theological argument to an actual total war in which millions of people are horribly killed is offensive, self-centered and absurd.
To what extent have you studied World War III and its destruction;
> To equate an intramural theological argument to an actual total war in which millions of people are horribly killed is offensive, self-centered and absurd.
that is, the Second Vatican Council and its aftermath?
Alphonsus Jr.
Sep 8, 2012, 1:56:47 AM9/8/12
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On Sep 7, 10:23 pm, Cactus Wren <elegantspanishgui...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> It occurs to me that while I was learning guitar, strumming along at
> hippie Masses, you were probably lying in bed and recovering from a
> Slayer-induced sore neck.
Could be!
wrote:
> It occurs to me that while I was learning guitar, strumming along at
> hippie Masses, you were probably lying in bed and recovering from a
> Slayer-induced sore neck.
himmelhoch
Sep 8, 2012, 9:35:47 AM9/8/12
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Murdick
Sep 8, 2012, 9:52:58 AM9/8/12
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dewach...@gmail.com
Sep 8, 2012, 1:36:43 PM9/8/12
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On Friday, September 7, 2012 2:43:44 AM UTC-6, Benoit Meulle-Stef wrote:
> Alphonsus, you are amazing, I rarelly have seen so many bullshit out of 1 post... Talking about con
>
> Do you remember a Republican starting a war in a country for no good reason than stilling oil AND using FAKE infos?
>
> Remember blaming Obama for a bail out signed by Bush?
>
> But you have you head too up your arse to even start to understand...
>
>
>
> Benoît
Jackson don't mind Beniot, I've come to learn he is just a socialist Frenchman who spends too much time alone in is shop creating monstrosities.
> Alphonsus, you are amazing, I rarelly have seen so many bullshit out of 1 post... Talking about con
>
> Do you remember a Republican starting a war in a country for no good reason than stilling oil AND using FAKE infos?
>
> Remember blaming Obama for a bail out signed by Bush?
>
> But you have you head too up your arse to even start to understand...
>
>
>
> Benoît
dewach...@gmail.com
Sep 8, 2012, 1:44:35 PM9/8/12
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On Thursday, September 6, 2012 11:09:59 PM UTC-6, Andrew Schulman wrote:
> Here's what I'm hoping for.
>
>
>
> I'm hoping Michael Thames saunters through here and sees that Jackson
>
> is back, and sees either this thread, but it could be really any
>
> thread Jackson either starts, or is even just in, and then the two of
>
> them take off into literally the longest two person posting duel in
>
> the history of the internet until finally one day, probably years from
>
> now, Wollybird sees whats goin' on and jumps in, and then it becomes a
>
> ménage à trois, and it just keeps going and going, and then finally
>
> either Doug Seth or Seth Himmelhoch, or maybe Steve Friedes, jumps in
>
> and says, "Hey, how about you guys talk about something classical
>
> guitar related, goddamit!" and from that point on there is a brief
>
> discussion about how great the RMCG used to be when that guy, I forget
>
> his name, Bob Something I think, used to post really good On Topic
>
> posts, and now I'm forgetting what it was I was getting to, or hoping
>
> for, oh yeah, now I remember: I'm not saying the lunatic fringe has
>
> returned here because Lord knows it never left.
>
>
>
> Oh yeah, and that new Dylan tune, Duquesne Whistle, is really great,
>
> Or What!?!
>
>
>
> Thanks for listening,
>
>
>
> Andrew
Andrew thanks for the thoughts......... you would be correct under normal circumstances, but concerning Obama I must say I agree with Jackson. What I don't agree with is his belief in the two party ping pong game in which his head is used as the ball, I was hoping his hiatus from the RMCG would have provided him with a clear wisdom, alas, I'm slightly disappointed, but never had high hopes.
> Here's what I'm hoping for.
>
>
>
> I'm hoping Michael Thames saunters through here and sees that Jackson
>
> is back, and sees either this thread, but it could be really any
>
> thread Jackson either starts, or is even just in, and then the two of
>
> them take off into literally the longest two person posting duel in
>
> the history of the internet until finally one day, probably years from
>
> now, Wollybird sees whats goin' on and jumps in, and then it becomes a
>
> ménage à trois, and it just keeps going and going, and then finally
>
> either Doug Seth or Seth Himmelhoch, or maybe Steve Friedes, jumps in
>
> and says, "Hey, how about you guys talk about something classical
>
> guitar related, goddamit!" and from that point on there is a brief
>
> discussion about how great the RMCG used to be when that guy, I forget
>
> his name, Bob Something I think, used to post really good On Topic
>
> posts, and now I'm forgetting what it was I was getting to, or hoping
>
> for, oh yeah, now I remember: I'm not saying the lunatic fringe has
>
> returned here because Lord knows it never left.
>
>
>
> Oh yeah, and that new Dylan tune, Duquesne Whistle, is really great,
>
> Or What!?!
>
>
>
> Thanks for listening,
>
>
>
> Andrew
Andrew thanks for the thoughts......... you would be correct under normal circumstances, but concerning Obama I must say I agree with Jackson. What I don't agree with is his belief in the two party ping pong game in which his head is used as the ball, I was hoping his hiatus from the RMCG would have provided him with a clear wisdom, alas, I'm slightly disappointed, but never had high hopes.
dewach...@gmail.com
Sep 8, 2012, 1:50:06 PM9/8/12
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On Thursday, September 6, 2012 11:09:59 PM UTC-6, Andrew Schulman wrote:
> Here's what I'm hoping for.
>
>
>
> I'm hoping Michael Thames saunters through here and sees that Jackson
>
> is back, and sees either this thread, but it could be really any
>
> thread Jackson either starts, or is even just in, and then the two of
>
> them take off into literally the longest two person posting duel in
>
> the history of the internet until finally one day, probably years from
>
> now, Wollybird sees whats goin' on and jumps in, and then it becomes a
>
> ménage à trois, and it just keeps going and going, and then finally
>
> either Doug Seth or Seth Himmelhoch, or maybe Steve Friedes, jumps in
>
> and says, "Hey, how about you guys talk about something classical
>
> guitar related, goddamit!" and from that point on there is a brief
>
> discussion about how great the RMCG used to be when that guy, I forget
>
> his name, Bob Something I think, used to post really good On Topic
>
> posts, and now I'm forgetting what it was I was getting to, or hoping
>
> for, oh yeah, now I remember: I'm not saying the lunatic fringe has
>
> returned here because Lord knows it never left.
>
>
>
> Oh yeah, and that new Dylan tune, Duquesne Whistle, is really great,
>
> Or What!?!
>
>
>
> Thanks for listening,
>
>
>
> Andrew
Andrew, found a recent photo of this spelling bee champ Himloch, or however you spell his name. I always imagined he looked like this too!
> Here's what I'm hoping for.
>
>
>
> I'm hoping Michael Thames saunters through here and sees that Jackson
>
> is back, and sees either this thread, but it could be really any
>
> thread Jackson either starts, or is even just in, and then the two of
>
> them take off into literally the longest two person posting duel in
>
> the history of the internet until finally one day, probably years from
>
> now, Wollybird sees whats goin' on and jumps in, and then it becomes a
>
> ménage à trois, and it just keeps going and going, and then finally
>
> either Doug Seth or Seth Himmelhoch, or maybe Steve Friedes, jumps in
>
> and says, "Hey, how about you guys talk about something classical
>
> guitar related, goddamit!" and from that point on there is a brief
>
> discussion about how great the RMCG used to be when that guy, I forget
>
> his name, Bob Something I think, used to post really good On Topic
>
> posts, and now I'm forgetting what it was I was getting to, or hoping
>
> for, oh yeah, now I remember: I'm not saying the lunatic fringe has
>
> returned here because Lord knows it never left.
>
>
>
> Oh yeah, and that new Dylan tune, Duquesne Whistle, is really great,
>
> Or What!?!
>
>
>
> Thanks for listening,
>
>
>
> Andrew
http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa334/MichaelThames/ehkrsgfi.jpg
dewach...@gmail.com
Sep 8, 2012, 1:53:22 PM9/8/12
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dewach...@gmail.com
Sep 8, 2012, 1:54:27 PM9/8/12
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dewach...@gmail.com
Sep 8, 2012, 1:57:53 PM9/8/12
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Andrew Schulman
Sep 8, 2012, 4:52:18 PM9/8/12
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On Sep 8, 1:44 pm, dewachen1...@gmail.com wrote:
> Andrew thanks for the thoughts......... you would be correct under normal circumstances, but concerning Obama I must say I agree with Jackson. What I don't agree with is his belief in the two party ping pong game in which his head is used as the ball, I was hoping his hiatus from the RMCG would have provided him with a clear wisdom, alas, I'm slightly disappointed, but never had high hopes.
>
>
This election season reminds me of 1861.
> Andrew thanks for the thoughts......... you would be correct under normal circumstances, but concerning Obama I must say I agree with Jackson. What I don't agree with is his belief in the two party ping pong game in which his head is used as the ball, I was hoping his hiatus from the RMCG would have provided him with a clear wisdom, alas, I'm slightly disappointed, but never had high hopes.
>
>
Andrew
Andrew Schulman
Sep 8, 2012, 4:52:52 PM9/8/12
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On Sep 7, 4:19 am, "Alphonsus Jr." <alphonsu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> hahahaha!!
>
>
Thank you!
Andrew
> hahahaha!!
>
>
Thank you!
Andrew
Andrew Schulman
Sep 8, 2012, 4:55:16 PM9/8/12
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I'm surprised there is so little classical guitar information in this
thread.
Andrew
thread.
Andrew
John Nguyen
Sep 8, 2012, 6:35:26 PM9/8/12
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the control of the Congress, the Senate, and the Whitehouse were
pretty much squandered away from internal fighting among the
Democrates to protect their special interests. Something good could
have come out in the first two years, and the teabaggers would have no
chance in the mid-term election, I think.
Cheers,
John
Fadosolrélamisi
Sep 9, 2012, 1:15:06 AM9/9/12
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David Raleigh Arnold
Sep 12, 2012, 1:04:39 PM9/12/12
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On Thu, 06 Sep 2012 18:28:56 -0700, Alphonsus Jr. wrote:
> This is an excellent group. Unlike our good Herr Bornfeld, I disagree
> This is an excellent group. Unlike our good Herr Bornfeld, I disagree
> that this group is inferior to some wandering band of spandex-clad
> rubber rollers. Thus I'm curious about whether those of you who voted
> for Mustapha Mond....errrr.... Barack Obama in 2008 will yet again allow
> yourselves to be conned by him in 2012.
I wasn't conned, but 'bama was a lot better than Bush, who
> rubber rollers. Thus I'm curious about whether those of you who voted
> for Mustapha Mond....errrr.... Barack Obama in 2008 will yet again allow
> yourselves to be conned by him in 2012.
should be prosecuted. VA being a red state, I might go
3rd party. I absolutely won't vote for Romney, because
he's a crook and a pathological liar.
Benoit Meulle-Stef
Sep 12, 2012, 1:31:32 PM9/12/12
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>
> Jackson don't mind Beniot, I've come to learn he is just a socialist Frenchman who spends too much time alone in is shop creating monstrosities.
Benoît
Benoit Meulle-Stef
Sep 12, 2012, 1:32:26 PM9/12/12
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Benoît
Cactus Wren
Sep 12, 2012, 1:55:38 PM9/12/12
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slur? Here in America, it seems to have recently become a slightly
sanitized version of "Commie", and resonates rather strongly with our
near-religious hate of Communist/Socialist ideology. I first noticed
it coming in vogue when John McCain began using it to tar Obama in the
2008 election, and it now seems to be near to the lips of Fox News
propagandists (and those who watch Fox) at all times.
Benoit Meulle-Stef
Sep 12, 2012, 2:23:06 PM9/12/12
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No socialist is another political party for us, nothing else, I'm quite amuse by the American meaning of it "to care for each other, is BAD!!! And EVIL!" and that from guys who are supposed to be Christians... Anyway they have there bad and good ideas, like everyone else... So nothing to kill an howl with a slingshot...
Benoît
Benoît
Benoit Meulle-Stef
Sep 12, 2012, 2:27:40 PM9/12/12
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For us the ones who can be named slur are the Republicans... amazing stupidity, any freshman student in politics or reported have a laugh listening to them. It's embarrassing listening to there lies and lake of basic knowledge...
Benoît
Benoît
Cactus Wren
Sep 12, 2012, 2:38:20 PM9/12/12
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On Sep 12, 11:27 am, Benoit Meulle-Stef <b...@bmsguitars.com> wrote:
> For us the ones who can be named slur are the Republicans... amazing stupidity, any freshman student in politics or reported have a laugh listening to them. It's embarrassing listening to there lies and lake of basic knowledge...
>
> Benoît
When someone tells you what you want to hear, you can get away with a
> For us the ones who can be named slur are the Republicans... amazing stupidity, any freshman student in politics or reported have a laugh listening to them. It's embarrassing listening to there lies and lake of basic knowledge...
>
> Benoît
lot, yes?
Benoit Meulle-Stef
Sep 12, 2012, 2:49:24 PM9/12/12
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Yes apparently there majo is "A lie repeated enough time becomes reality"
And there instrumentation of a part of the country making them fear things they should vote for and vote for things who destroy them is quite amazing...
Benoît
And there instrumentation of a part of the country making them fear things they should vote for and vote for things who destroy them is quite amazing...
Benoît
Alphonsus Jr.
Oct 9, 2012, 5:48:12 PM10/9/12
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Friends,
I'm curious. Even after the Pimp President's recent debate debacle, are you still going to let him con you?
I'm curious. Even after the Pimp President's recent debate debacle, are you still going to let him con you?
thomas
Oct 9, 2012, 6:06:00 PM10/9/12
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On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 5:48:13 PM UTC-4, Alphonsus Jr. wrote:
> Friends,
>
>
>
> I'm curious. Even after the Pimp President's recent debate debacle, are you still going to let him con you?
Vote for the lesser of two evils. Obama's a known quantity--a mediocre, centrist president. There's no predicting what Romney will do. Romney appears to have no moral or political compass.
> Friends,
>
>
>
> I'm curious. Even after the Pimp President's recent debate debacle, are you still going to let him con you?
wollybird
Oct 9, 2012, 6:06:29 PM10/9/12
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On Oct 9, 4:48 pm, "Alphonsus Jr." <alphonsu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Friends,
>
> I'm curious. Even after the Pimp President's recent debate debacle, are you still going to let him con you?
ironically, Mitty from comeback city pretty much disavowed 90% of what
> Friends,
>
> I'm curious. Even after the Pimp President's recent debate debacle, are you still going to let him con you?
he was campaigning on up until that point.
Dear Rep. Paul Ryan,
Welcome to Georgetown University. We appreciate your willingness to
talk about how Catholic social teaching can help inform effective
policy in dealing with the urgent challenges facing our country. As
members of an academic community at a Catholic university, we see your
visit on April 26 for the Whittington Lecture as an opportunity to
discuss Catholic social teaching and its role in public policy.
\However, we would be remiss in our duty to you and our students if we
did not challenge your continuing misuse of Catholic teaching to
defend a budget plan that decimates food programs for struggling
families, radically weakens protections for the elderly and sick, and
gives more tax breaks to the wealthiest few. As the U.S. Conference of
Catholic Bishops has wisely noted in several letters to Congress – “a
just framework for future budgets cannot rely on disproportionate cuts
in essential services to poor persons.” Catholic bishops recently
wrote that “the House-passed budget resolution fails to meet these
moral criteria.”
In short, your budget appears to reflect the values of your favorite
philosopher, Ayn Rand, rather than the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Her
call to selfishness and her antagonism toward religion are
antithetical to the Gospel values of compassion and love.
Cuts to anti-hunger programs have devastating consequences. Last year,
one in six Americans lived below the official poverty level and over
46 million Americans – almost half of them children – used food stamps
for basic nutrition. We also know how cuts in Pell Grants will make it
difficult for low-income students to pursue their educations at
colleges across the nation, including Georgetown. At a time when
charities are strained to the breaking point and local governments
have a hard time paying for essential services, the federal government
must not walk away from the most vulnerable.
While you often appeal to Catholic teaching on “subsidiarity” as a
rationale for gutting government programs, you are profoundly
misreading Church teaching. Subsidiarity is not a free pass to
dismantle government programs and abandon the poor to their own
devices. This often misused Catholic principle cuts both ways. It
calls for solutions to be enacted as close to the level of local
communities as possible. But it also demands that higher levels of
government provide help -- “subsidium”-- when communities and local
governments face problems beyond their means to address such as
economic crises, high unemployment, endemic poverty and hunger.
According to Pope Benedict XVI: "Subsidiarity must remain closely
linked to the principle of solidarity and vice versa.”
Along with this letter, we have included a copy of the Vatican's
Compendium of the Social Doctrine of the Church, commissioned by John
Paul II, to help deepen your understanding of Catholic social
teaching.
Alphonsus Jr.
Oct 9, 2012, 6:16:30 PM10/9/12
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wollybird
Oct 9, 2012, 6:23:04 PM10/9/12
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odds with.- the man is a total fraud. His budget is even more
ridiculous. Mitt at first embraced it, and now seems to be running
from it as if he never heard of it.
Alphonsus Jr.
Oct 9, 2012, 6:41:19 PM10/9/12
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On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 3:23:04 PM UTC-7, wollybird wrote:
> except he professes to be Catholic, which his morals are clearly at
>
> odds with.- the man is a total fraud. His budget is even more
>
> ridiculous. Mitt at first embraced it, and now seems to be running
>
> from it as if he never heard of it.
Okay. I'm not in the Romney/Ryan corner. My ticket - Ferdinand & Isabella - is out of the running.
> except he professes to be Catholic, which his morals are clearly at
>
> odds with.- the man is a total fraud. His budget is even more
>
> ridiculous. Mitt at first embraced it, and now seems to be running
>
> from it as if he never heard of it.
But please note that the bishops of the USCCB also profess to be Catholic. Yet a reading of Pope Leo XIII's encyclical Rerum Novarum instantly reveals most of them to be frauds on this score:
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Leo13/l13rerum.htm
Incidentally, also see Leo XIII's encyclical against Americanism, Testem Benevolentiae Nostrae:
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Leo13/l13teste.htm
Notice that I haven't even mentioned Pope Pius IX's Quanta Cura:
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Pius09/p9quanta.htm
or its accompanying Syllabus of Errors:
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Pius09/p9syll.htm
Nor have I mentioned Pope St. Pius X's Pascendi Dominici Gregis:
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Pius10/p10pasce.htm
or its accompanying Lamentabili Sane:
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Pius10/p10lamen.htm
Nor have I mentioned Pope St. Pius X's Oath Against Modernism:
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Pius10/p10moath.htm
Under all of these, there's hardly a Catholic to be found among today's "Catholic" bishops. Such is the catastrophe of the Second Vatican Council.
wollybird
Oct 9, 2012, 6:59:49 PM10/9/12
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Read Mathew 16:18- that's the rational for the primacy of the pope. If
you don't buy it, you ain't Catholic.(not that there's anything wrong
with that)
Besides, since when is cutting children, the disabled, the blind off
from healthcare and nutrition in concordance with Catholic teachings?
wollybird
Oct 9, 2012, 7:28:48 PM10/9/12
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Alphonsus Jr.
Oct 9, 2012, 7:41:29 PM10/9/12
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wollybird
Oct 9, 2012, 7:42:18 PM10/9/12
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On Oct 9, 5:23 pm, wollybird <wollyb...@frontiernet.net> wrote:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/09/mitt-romney-abortion_n_1952780.html?utm_hp_ref=politics
wollybird
Oct 9, 2012, 7:47:48 PM10/9/12
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to a Catholic school. Catechism and church were daily activities. I'm
not a theologian- but this is basic stuff I was taught from an early
age-
Alphonsus Jr.
Oct 9, 2012, 8:54:38 PM10/9/12
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On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 4:47:48 PM UTC-7, wollybird wrote:
> I was raised Catholic. Both of my parents are staunch Catholics I went
>
> to a Catholic school. Catechism and church were daily activities. I'm
>
> not a theologian- but this is basic stuff I was taught from an early
>
> age-
Did all this occur before or after Vatican II? If after, it's highly unlikely that, in fact, you were raised Catholic or went to a Catholic school.
> I was raised Catholic. Both of my parents are staunch Catholics I went
>
> to a Catholic school. Catechism and church were daily activities. I'm
>
> not a theologian- but this is basic stuff I was taught from an early
>
> age-
For example, did you attend the Novus Ordo and not the traditional Mass? Then you didn't attend a Catholic Mass. Why not? See:
http://www.sspx.org/sspx_faqs/brief_critical_study_of_the_new_order_of_mass-ottaviani-intervention.pdf
Obviously, the vernacular is the least of the Novus Ordo's problems. The problems are fundamentally theological. The Novus Ordo is an intentionally Protestantized service.
Regarding the new Catechism of the Catholic Church, it's actually the Catechism of Vatican II. See:
http://www.sspx.org/New_Catechism/new_catechism__is_it_catholic_part_1.htm
Notice that the analysis need not even mention the scandalous paragraph 841 of the CCC, a paragraph inconceivable before the Conciliar Revolution.
As for "Catholic" "education" after Vatican II, see:
http://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/f001ht_Education_Redle.htm
Andrew Schulman
Oct 9, 2012, 8:56:46 PM10/9/12
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On Oct 9, 7:42 pm, wollybird <wollyb...@frontiernet.net> wrote:
> and more:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/09/mitt-romney-abortion_n_19527...
>
>
The Onion article was really funny.
If Romney wins the largest percentage of voters in history, on both
sides, will be able to call him a liar because he broke his campaign
promises.
Andrew
> and more:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/09/mitt-romney-abortion_n_19527...
>
>
The Onion article was really funny.
If Romney wins the largest percentage of voters in history, on both
sides, will be able to call him a liar because he broke his campaign
promises.
Andrew
Andrew Schulman
Oct 9, 2012, 9:04:32 PM10/9/12
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On Sep 9, 1:15 am, Fadosolrélamisi <rei...@telus.net> wrote:
> I can offer a fingering suggestion for Sor study # 4 (Segovia ... and ... Halala what has he done ... OK here is the real Opus # of Segovia's # 4: Opus 6 # 1) Donc je disais ... it's a lock 2-3 fingering for the thirds (D - F#) (for the beginning mms) with the finger 4 and 1 acting like two fins around them while playing the melody ... a kind of carp bell canto ...This study can be used to great benefit as an arpeggio study to tentatively become as fluent in pmim as Ana Vidovic was in mastering the English >language in such a short time!
>
>
Thank you Alain, you've restored my faith in humanity.
> I can offer a fingering suggestion for Sor study # 4 (Segovia ... and ... Halala what has he done ... OK here is the real Opus # of Segovia's # 4: Opus 6 # 1) Donc je disais ... it's a lock 2-3 fingering for the thirds (D - F#) (for the beginning mms) with the finger 4 and 1 acting like two fins around them while playing the melody ... a kind of carp bell canto ...This study can be used to great benefit as an arpeggio study to tentatively become as fluent in pmim as Ana Vidovic was in mastering the English >language in such a short time!
>
>
Andrew
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dsi1
Oct 9, 2012, 9:30:12 PM10/9/12
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On 10/9/2012 1:47 PM, wollybird wrote:
>
> I was raised Catholic. Both of my parents are staunch Catholics I went
> to a Catholic school. Catechism and church were daily activities. I'm
> not a theologian- but this is basic stuff I was taught from an early
> age-
>
Catholicism is the most tricky and technical of all the religions. It's
>
> I was raised Catholic. Both of my parents are staunch Catholics I went
> to a Catholic school. Catechism and church were daily activities. I'm
> not a theologian- but this is basic stuff I was taught from an early
> age-
>
like being a Jaguar mechanic - you need special tools and have to know
the special procedures to be one.
It was shocking for me to see my wife do that little curtsy thing when
we ventured into a church. I think she was trying to sneak that one past
me but I saw it alright. I never saw any of that religious stuff when we
were a-courtin'. I thought "what next?" Maybe she was going to put on a
white hood and set fire to a cross in somebody's yard...
himmelhoch
Oct 9, 2012, 9:40:58 PM10/9/12
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V. ERRORS CONCERNING THE CHURCH AND HER RIGHTS
19. The Church is not a true and perfect society, entirely free- nor is she endowed with proper and perpetual rights of her own, conferred upon her by her Divine Founder; but it appertains to the civil power to define what are the rights of the Church, and the limits within which she may exercise those rights. -- Allocution "Singulari quadam," Dec.
wollybird
Oct 9, 2012, 9:44:53 PM10/9/12
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Baptist.
for more fascinating reading on Jackson's fall from grace, see:
http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/apologetics/ap0072.html
Yes
Alphonsus Jr.
Oct 9, 2012, 9:57:26 PM10/9/12
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That author, like most, fails to understand what schism actually is. At any rate, traditional Catholics - including those of the SSPX - simply refuse to embrace the errors of Vatican II. That's all. They instead embrace all Catholic teaching of the previous 1,929 years before Vatican II. And when that teaching conflicts with conciliar novelties, then our duties to God outweigh our duties to men. See:
http://www.sspx.org/archbishop_lefebvre/archbishop_lefebvre_can_obedience_oblige_us_to_disobey_1988.htm
wollybird
Oct 9, 2012, 10:05:14 PM10/9/12
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On Oct 9, 8:57 pm, "Alphonsus Jr." <alphonsu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 6:44:53 PM UTC-7, wollybird wrote:
> > On Oct 9, 8:30 pm, dsi1 <ds...@eternal-september.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > On 10/9/2012 1:47 PM, wollybird wrote:
>
> > > > I was raised Catholic. Both of my parents are staunch Catholics I went
>
> > > > to a Catholic school. Catechism and church were daily activities. I'm
>
> > > > not a theologian- but this is basic stuff I was taught from an early
>
> > > > age-
>
> > > Catholicism is the most tricky and technical of all the religions. It's
>
> > > like being a Jaguar mechanic - you need special tools and have to know
>
> > > the special procedures to be one.
>
> > > It was shocking for me to see my wife do that little curtsy thing when
>
> > > we ventured into a church. I think she was trying to sneak that one past
>
> > > me but I saw it alright. I never saw any of that religious stuff when we
>
> > > were a-courtin'. I thought "what next?" Maybe she was going to put on a
>
> > > white hood and set fire to a cross in somebody's yard..
>
> > Yes it is, although I think the cross burning thing is more Southern
>
> > Baptist.
>
> > for more fascinating reading on Jackson's fall from grace, see:
>
> >http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/apologetics/ap0072.html
>
> > Yes
>
> So you were processed by Vatican II. Nice deflection.
mostly- they flipped the altars and used English when I was in second
> On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 6:44:53 PM UTC-7, wollybird wrote:
> > On Oct 9, 8:30 pm, dsi1 <ds...@eternal-september.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > On 10/9/2012 1:47 PM, wollybird wrote:
>
> > > > I was raised Catholic. Both of my parents are staunch Catholics I went
>
> > > > to a Catholic school. Catechism and church were daily activities. I'm
>
> > > > not a theologian- but this is basic stuff I was taught from an early
>
> > > > age-
>
> > > Catholicism is the most tricky and technical of all the religions. It's
>
> > > like being a Jaguar mechanic - you need special tools and have to know
>
> > > the special procedures to be one.
>
> > > It was shocking for me to see my wife do that little curtsy thing when
>
> > > we ventured into a church. I think she was trying to sneak that one past
>
> > > me but I saw it alright. I never saw any of that religious stuff when we
>
> > > were a-courtin'. I thought "what next?" Maybe she was going to put on a
>
> > > white hood and set fire to a cross in somebody's yard..
>
> > Yes it is, although I think the cross burning thing is more Southern
>
> > Baptist.
>
> > for more fascinating reading on Jackson's fall from grace, see:
>
> >http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/apologetics/ap0072.html
>
> > Yes
>
> So you were processed by Vatican II. Nice deflection.
grade or so- I still remember going to the first English mass. A nice
penguin was sitting next to me. I think she was worried that I might
be traumatized by the whole ordeal. I made it through with no
scratches.
>
> That author, like most, fails to understand what schism actually is. At any rate, traditional Catholics - including those of the SSPX - simply refuse to embrace the errors of Vatican II. That's all. They instead embrace all Catholic teaching of the previous 1,929 years before Vatican II. And when that teaching conflicts with conciliar novelties, then our duties to God outweigh our duties to men. See:
>
> http://www.sspx.org/archbishop_lefebvre/archbishop_lefebvre_can_obedi...
> That author, like most, fails to understand what schism actually is. At any rate, traditional Catholics - including those of the SSPX - simply refuse to embrace the errors of Vatican II. That's all. They instead embrace all Catholic teaching of the previous 1,929 years before Vatican II. And when that teaching conflicts with conciliar novelties, then our duties to God outweigh our duties to men. See:
>
Except for the primacy of the pope, which is kind of a basic thing in
the church
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