Building A Better Right Hand: 10-7-12

augusti...@yahoo.com

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Oct 7, 2012, 12:14:41 PM10/7/12

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http://betterrighthand.blogspot.com/2012/10/a-procedure-for-your-consideration.html

Tom Poore
South Euclid, OH
USA

Murdick

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Oct 8, 2012, 8:48:02 AM10/8/12

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I have to admit, I'm a sucker for this thread. I'm always hoping that I'll go to his blog and hear Tom's rest stroke blast away at 135mm, and then he can write a "told you so" post to all his critics - including me. I'm afraid that's not going to happen. There is a school of thought that if you practice hard enough and long enough with the hand in advantageous position, the fluency will come. Shearer believed this, I think. This may be true for someone under 20, but I don't think it works for the old geezers.

Cactus Wren

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Oct 8, 2012, 1:47:46 PM10/8/12

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These posts are spam at this point. We could go to his site of our own accord each Monday if we wanted to.

David Raleigh Arnold

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Oct 8, 2012, 8:35:41 PM10/8/12

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On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 10:47:46 -0700, Cactus Wren wrote:

> These posts are spam at this point. We could go to his site of our own
> accord each Monday if we wanted to.

That's a bit harsh, but he doesn't seem to be willing to take
any advice, especially that he should be spending most of his
efforts on pieces that do not require fast scale runs to be
rendered successfully, so that if he were to succeed he would
have fewer problems still ahead. Regards, daveA

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Douglas Seth

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Oct 8, 2012, 9:11:30 PM10/8/12

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On Oct 8, 1:47 pm, Cactus Wren <elegantspanishgui...@gmail.com> wrote:
> These posts are spam at this point. We could go to his site of our own accord each Monday if we wanted to.

Agreed.

Douglas Seth

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Oct 8, 2012, 9:12:29 PM10/8/12

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On Oct 8, 8:35 pm, David Raleigh Arnold <d.raleigh.arn...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Site:http://www.openguitar.com(()) eMail: d.raleigh.arn...@gmail.com
> Contact:http://www.openguitar.com/contact.html"

Agreed. I gave him this exact advice at one point.

Murdick

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Oct 8, 2012, 10:35:28 PM10/8/12

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I think that many of us have given him better advice than he has received from the virtuosos. Clearly that not succeeded. On the other hand he may be getting exactly what he deserves. "In the end, everyone gets what they deserve" ( A quote form the book, "The Magnificent Ambersons")

Murdick

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Oct 9, 2012, 8:32:38 AM10/9/12

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On Monday, October 8, 2012 9:35:28 PM UTC-5, Murdick wrote:
> I think that many of us have given him better advice than he has received from the virtuosos. Clearly that not succeeded. On the other hand he may be getting exactly what he deserves. "In the end, everyone gets what they deserve" ( A quote form the book, "The Magnificent Ambersons")

One other thing. The reason Tom's approach will probably never succeed is that it doesn't even look right. Usually, players who attempt to repair their hands, know what a good motion looks like and at least can imitate the appearance of correct motion. Then the problem becomes getting it to feel right. If every rest stoke you make on the guitar does not look or feel right, how can it improve?

augusti...@yahoo.com

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Oct 9, 2012, 9:28:58 AM10/9/12

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On Oct 8, 8:48 am, Murdick <lutem...@aol.com> wrote:
> I have to admit, I'm a sucker for this thread. I'm always hoping that I'll go to
> his blog and hear Tom's rest stroke blast away at 135mm, and then he can
> write a "told you so" post to all his critics - including me.

Not sure this is of "told you so" quality, but it's what I've got as
of this morning.

http://www.pooretom.com/October9,2012.html

JPD

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Oct 9, 2012, 10:16:46 AM10/9/12

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Tom, you could play it at TWO-thirty-five and still get jabbed here for having your hair parted the wrong way as you play it.

But you knew this.

Douglas Seth

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Oct 9, 2012, 10:24:01 AM10/9/12

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Lol!!

Douglas Seth

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Oct 9, 2012, 10:24:33 AM10/9/12

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On Oct 9, 10:16 am, JPD <googlegroo...@guitarist.com> wrote:

No doubt, it is a tough crowd.

Fadosolrélamisi

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Oct 9, 2012, 10:37:13 AM10/9/12

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Le lundi 8 octobre 2012 19:35:28 UTC-7, Murdick a écrit :
> I think that many of us have given him better advice than he has received from the virtuosos. Clearly that not succeeded. On the other hand he may be getting exactly what he deserves. "In the end, everyone gets what they deserve" ( A quote form the book, "The Magnificent Ambersons")

On the other, other hand ... he might be just applying the "Best exotic marigold hotel" saying ... that things will turn out to be fine in the end and if they don't ... it's because its not the end.

2cts

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Oct 9, 2012, 11:36:46 AM10/9/12

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This sounds "random like" and "forced"... You require (to learn) to play
legato slowly in order to play something fast (where staccato is hard ;).

Did you try to play (on one string at first) one tone repeated like?

e f g
im im im

and later

e f g e f g
ia ia ia ma ma ma

Its required to scrutinize the analysis of each (micro) action at
lowest possible speed to become conciously of IT - do it at least
10 minutes every day, slowly - progress will come suddenly and
unexpected - then, when you ONCE are getting the feeling of EASY
synchronization of left and right hand DO keep it in mind because
you have got an MENTAL HANDLE [(c) 2cts ;)] and you must make sure
you will be able to remember it whenever you want to (children try
endlessly to whistle until they suddenly do the first time which
ends it because now the got the MENTAL HANDLE)... breath slowly
and tell yourself: thats it, remember an pleasing situation like
you favorite place on a sunny day or whatever.

Murdick

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Oct 9, 2012, 1:13:16 PM10/9/12

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Tom, that's a two octave burst. I've found that my fastest scale playing, back in the old days, only lasted for two octaves or 16 notes. 50 to 60 notes is continuous alternation. Good try though.

Murdick

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Oct 9, 2012, 1:16:28 PM10/9/12

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JPD says, "Tom, you could play it at TWO-thirty-five and still get jabbed here for having your hair parted the wrong way as you play it."

No he wouldn't. He just has to play at 140 mm on a single string without fatigue, and he could declare victory for taking the first major step.

JPD

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Oct 9, 2012, 1:49:59 PM10/9/12

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On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 10:13:17 AM UTC-7, Murdick wrote:
> Tom, that's a two octave burst. I've found that my fastest scale playing, back in the old days, only lasted for two octaves or 16 notes. 50 to 60 notes is continuous alternation. Good try though.

Descending scales are a piece of cake, besides. In flamenco, the show-off scales are ALWAYS descending.

Let's hear the ascending chromatic scale in Capricho Arabe. Better yet, three-octave chromatic E-to-E, ascending and descending. THAT'S the classic test.

Or try my Flight of the Bumblebee:

http://www.guitarist.com/classical/sheet-music/flight-of-the-bumblebee.html

Murdick

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Oct 9, 2012, 7:24:01 PM10/9/12

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John, crossing is a completely different issue. You have to free the hand first. IMO, you shouldn't mix the two. These are two very difficult skills.

Richard Jernigan

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Oct 9, 2012, 8:52:41 PM10/9/12

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Speaking of "Flight of the Bumblebee", here are Grisha Gorbachev and Jeremy Mouffe. They put mutes on their instruments--looked like rubber things--next to the bridge. This was the final selection of their concert in Austin on September 15 at the home of Jeff and Gail Kodosky, about 65 people in attendance. We were there and enjoyed it immensely.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TCvvJ2rNRA&feature=player_embedded

In response to a question on www.foroflamenco.com, Grisha wrote, "pure tremolo, pami."

Mouffe told the story of their first meeting. He played something pretty challenging, (I don't remember what), Grisha replied with "The Flight of the Bumblebee!" Mouffe said he went away thinking he would have to figure out how to do that. After a couple of years he did.

RNJ

JPD

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Oct 9, 2012, 9:18:25 PM10/9/12

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Looks like a great time was had by all. Good show.

John Nguyen

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Oct 9, 2012, 9:55:35 PM10/9/12

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On Oct 9, 8:52 pm, Richard Jernigan <rnjerni...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Speaking of "Flight of the Bumblebee", here are Grisha Gorbachev and Jeremy Mouffe. They put mutes on their instruments--looked like rubber things--next to the bridge. This was the final selection of their concert in Austin on September 15 at the home of Jeff and Gail Kodosky, about 65 people in attendance. We were there and enjoyed it immensely.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TCvvJ2rNRA&feature=player_embedded
>

> In response to a question onwww.foroflamenco.com, Grisha wrote, "pure tremolo, pami."

>
> Mouffe told the story of their first meeting. He played something pretty challenging, (I don't remember what), Grisha replied with "The Flight of the Bumblebee!" Mouffe said he went away thinking he would have to figure out how to do that. After a couple of years he did.
>
> RNJ

Man, oh man!!! Can't wait to see him if I have a chance.

Richard Jernigan

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Oct 9, 2012, 10:19:27 PM10/9/12

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On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 7:52:42 PM UTC-5, Richard Jernigan wrote:
> Speaking of "Flight of the Bumblebee", here are Grisha Gorbachev

GorYachev!

David Raleigh Arnold

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Oct 10, 2012, 12:16:30 PM10/10/12

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You are ignoring my point. In the event that he gets his
scale runs going, what is he going to have in the
way of repertoire if that's all he has made progress
on? It seems to me that he is giving himself no way
of coming out ahead. Regards, daveA

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Murdick

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Oct 10, 2012, 5:15:29 PM10/10/12

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David, if you had ever experienced fluency or taught someone to experience fluency, you wuldn't have said what you just said.