Celemony's Melodyne Direct Note Access - Anyone else play with this?
Paul B. Anders
the CG recording community, I'd like to hear if anyone else has been
fooling with it.
Celemony produces software RTAS and VST plugins, as well as standalone
editors, for manipulating the pitch, envelope, and timing of recorded
music, similar to Auto-Tune. However, they've recently introduced beta
versions of their Direct Note Acess technology, which enables the
manipulation of individual notes in polyphonic music - you can go
inside of a chord, and control each note individually. You can see the
demo at:
http://www.celemony.com/cms/index.php?id=dna_interview
I've been playing with my beta version of Melodyne Editor, and yes,
DNA works quite well. For an amateur hack like myself, it's simply an
amusement. But for a professional who is recording, this technology
makes it possible to do some rather extreme things. You can fix any
mistake, eliminate extraneous noise, apply vibrato to any note or
group of notes inside a chord, add notes that weren't there (which
might be impossible to reach in a live performance), instantly create
harmony lines, change tone color, add tremolo, etc.
More tools like DNA are going to emerge, and they're going to get
better and better. Eventually, it wouldn't be outside of the realm of
possiblity that instrumental live performances could be corrected in
real time, just as Auto-Tune does today for live pop vocal
performances (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto_tune). Perhaps
just enter the score, get close to what's written during performance,
and the machinery fixes all flaws.
When I get the time, I'll put up a demo where I use DNA on a recording
of my playing to give you an idea of what can be done. If anyone else
has tried DNA, I'd like to hear your impressions of it.
Brad Anders
Paul B. Anders
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnoD3NUux3M&feature=player_profilepage#at=63
Brad Anders
Dicerous
> Imagine bringing this kind of creative control to your CG recordings:
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> Brad Anders
Hi Brad,
I'm having fun doing this, I'm kind of a tech nerd to begin with. I'm
using sonar right now. It's pretty stable, some of the vst's are
problematic. Haven't done any audio yet, only synths. Have you seen
reaper yet?
David
Dicerous
as to your original question, sonar has v-vocal which is similar
technology. Haven't fooled with it much.
Paul B. Anders
No, I haven't had hands-on with anything other than Melodyne. I'll
check out v-vocal as you mention. I suspect that over the next few
years, more tools like this will emerge and their capability set will
expand. Just as Auto-Tune has called the vocal chops of many singers
into question, you have to believe same is going to happen for
instrumental recordings - and eventually, even live performances.
Just Talkin Aint Walking
want to use https on purchases? My bank called me on a fraud alert.
Dicerous
wrote:
> yeah, had to try it out. Very cool, but is there any reason they don't
> want to use https on purchases? My bank called me on a fraud alert.
Norbert Kraft was rather daring on his tour, he played *cry of merlin*
with taped background (i.e. while he played guitar solo). he's really
a phenomenal musician. I do think some of this kind of *novelty* will
start to emerge. Music always seems to gravitate towards the *cross-
over* phenomenon. The strict classical *menu* of pieces is sure to
evolve.
Brad Anders
wrote:
> yeah, had to try it out. Very cool, but is there any reason they don't
> want to use https on purchases? My bank called me on a fraud alert.
No idea. Email them. I assume you must have tried this today, the
Editor just came out of beta.
I've been playing with it some more, hope to get some time with it
over Thanksgiving. It's a pretty ridiculous tool, and for a first
generation technology, quite capable. With 3-5 more years development,
it will progress to a point where the it will be nearly impossible to
tell the difference between amateurs and pros when it comes to
recorded performances. Solo classical guitar is nearly ideal for this
tool. A brave new world, indeed. I'm not saying this is great or
desirable, but you can see it's coming. BTW, among vocalists, this
world is already approaching, hence the "No Auto-Tune Used On This
Recording" movement.
Brad Anders
Dicerous
wrote:
> yeah, had to try it out. Very cool, but is there any reason they don't
> want to use https on purchases? My bank called me on a fraud alert.
Also, with the sonar package one gets dimension pro. I've been
having a blast with it. Some really nice strings (although one has to
fool with the modulation). the best classical guitar patch I've heard
(so far) is from yellowtools (www.yellowtools.com). They have a
sampler with some free stuff called independence. Luckily the cg is
included in the free version.
Brad Anders
This tool will take it far futher. On recordings, all errors, squeeks,
extraneous noises, etc, can be removed. That reach nobody could do? No
problem. Want to add a note that would have required an extra string?
Here you go. Timing slightly off? Easily fixed. Didn't like your tone
quality on that note? Let's adjust that. Intonation off a bit. Gone.
All with chordal music, and you can apply these tools to individual
notes in chords, one by one as you like.
Eventually, like Auto-Tune, this technology will come to "live"
performances.
Brad Anders
Brad Anders
capabilities (e.g. chord extraction):
http://clam-project.org/wiki/Music_Annotator
Brad Anders
Dicerous
Sibelius or finale should use something like this!
Brad Anders
description of the processing that was done. The guitar tuning ones
are impressive:
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/dec09/articles/dnaexamples.htm