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Tommy Grand

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Nov 20, 2009, 4:49:56 PM11/20/09
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Hi again friends,

You'll be pleased to know that I recorded study 6 today. Here's the
video for you to assess and demolish: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNcVGeNi0KY

BTW, this study is a YouTube favourite, judging by the number of
performances in the playlist I put together:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9le1jyoXT9o&feature=PlayList&p=D913872F40FC28DF&index=0&playnext=1

TG

2ct

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Nov 20, 2009, 5:14:25 PM11/20/09
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Tommy Grand wrote:

> Hi again friends,
>
> You'll be pleased to know that I recorded study 6 today. Here's the
> video for you to assess and demolish: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNcVGeNi0KY

You clearly made efforts, Tommy, that sounds not bad.

Ok, your posture states retraction, if not shear fear all in all.

Your left arm (and so the hand) is better than the right shoulder
zone, which is totally cramped, you need to do exercises here and
need to do mentally focus on that during any playing until this
omnivorous cramp has disappeard.

Your right hand needs all your effort at the time. To cut it short:
play one week just scales using the index finger, any combination
(of free and rest stroke) in order to get every, every, tone not
just well, but exactly in the way you want it. Want it well. Do the
same thing the next week with the m finger and another with the
a finger (which leaves alone the thumb). Do NOT alternate the
fingers during this period (string player never alternate fingers
when performing pizzicato) of three weeks. And, most importantly:
DO NEVER HURRY WITH EVEN ONE NOTE.

That will bring you a boost. (Again, I clearly coud see your progress.)



> BTW, this study is a YouTube favourite

Yes, its as easy as a scale...

(In case my english would have grown better please report that ;)

Regards.

Dicerous

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Nov 20, 2009, 5:33:15 PM11/20/09
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2ct that's ridiculous his right hand is fine, in fact very good. All
it would take is a little practice to nail it, which like normal
people we don't have a lot of time to do. His overall feel for the
piece is remarkable (e.g. contour of phrases).

Oh hi tommy..;)

when you do have a chance to practice it, I'd really concentrate on
getting a good *ramp* on the nails. The beauty of these studies, for
the performer is only magnified when the tips of the fingers feel
completely at home with the piece.

2ct

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Nov 20, 2009, 6:02:11 PM11/20/09
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Dicerous write:

> The beauty of these studies, for the performer is
> only magnified when the tips of the fingers feel
> completely at home with the piece.

yess, of course!

Tommy Grand

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Nov 20, 2009, 7:14:33 PM11/20/09
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On Nov 20, 5:33 pm, Dicerous <dicer...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Oh hi tommy..;)
>
> when you do have a chance to practice it,  I'd really concentrate on
> getting a good *ramp* on the nails.  The beauty of these studies, for
> the performer is only magnified when the tips of the fingers feel
> completely at home with the piece.

Many thanks David. Do you think silk wraps would help me?

Tommy Grand

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Nov 20, 2009, 7:16:39 PM11/20/09
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On Nov 20, 5:14 pm, 2ct <karlhe...@sofort-mail.de> wrote:

> Your right hand needs all your effort at the time. To cut it short:
> play one week just scales using the index finger, any combination
> (of free and rest stroke) in order to get every, every, tone not
> just well, but exactly in the way you want it. Want it well. Do the
> same thing the next week with the m finger and another with the
> a finger (which leaves alone the thumb). Do NOT alternate the
> fingers during this period (string player never alternate fingers
> when performing pizzicato) of three weeks. And, most importantly:
> DO NEVER HURRY WITH EVEN ONE NOTE.
>
> That will bring you a boost. (Again, I clearly coud see your progress.)

Interesting advise 2ct. Tell me: does it have to be scales, or could
I use Gregorian chant melodies instead? I'm asking on account of I
have an interest in pre-baroque music, and I find chant especiallly
beautiful.

BTW congrats on your English, I do think it's getting better. Berlitz?

2ct

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Nov 21, 2009, 12:25:31 AM11/21/09
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Tommy Grand wrote:

> On Nov 20, 5:14�pm, 2ct <karlhe...@sofort-mail.de> wrote:
>
>> Your right hand needs all your effort at the time. To cut it short:
>> play one week just scales using the index finger, any combination
>> (of free and rest stroke) in order to get every, every, tone not
>> just well, but exactly in the way you want it. Want it well. Do the
>> same thing the next week with the m finger and another with the
>> a finger (which leaves alone the thumb). Do NOT alternate the
>> fingers during this period (string player never alternate fingers
>> when performing pizzicato) of three weeks. And, most importantly:
>> DO NEVER HURRY WITH EVEN ONE NOTE.
>>
>> That will bring you a boost. (Again, I clearly coud see your progress.)
>
> Interesting advise 2ct. Tell me: does it have to be scales, or could
> I use Gregorian chant melodies instead?

It could be everything, study 6, a single note, a scale or some
gregorian chants. To help getting an ear (if you are not an absolute)
the easiness of gregorian pentatonics might help a lot. But empty
strings are as even well.

> I'm asking on account of I have an interest in pre-baroque music,
> and I find chant especiallly beautiful.

Yes, the fugues and even canons (mind the ricercare)
from (of? by?) J.S. Bach only came a bit later, when he saw
that all music could be made from the same 12 (or even 11)
well tempered tones or scales, 23 with the minors. Its good
to start the day playing them (2 octaves) in the beginning
of each day, that takes one just 3 minutes.



> BTW congrats on your English, I do think it's getting better.

Thank you Tommy, that runs down my artist's throat like warm oil.

> Berlitz?

BBC, CNBC and others ;) I like the 20++% standard return on money.

Dicerous

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Nov 21, 2009, 12:49:45 AM11/21/09
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GROSS!

Karl Heinz

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Nov 21, 2009, 1:03:46 AM11/21/09
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Dicerous did:

>> Thank you Tommy, that runs down my artist's throat like warm oil.

> T hank you Tommy, that runs down my artist's throat like warm oil.
>
> GROSS!

Thank you, dear analyzt.

Lutemann

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Nov 21, 2009, 7:46:03 AM11/21/09
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> performances in the playlist I put together:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9le1jyoXT9o&feature=PlayList&p=D913872...
>
> TG

Wow, what a difference. You are actually using a little rubato and
dynamics, and you have a good natural feel for how to use them. A
couple of things:

1) Your right hand is slightly bent, but I think it's within
reasonable parameters. It won't give you any trouble (I don't think)
down the line.

2) Your left hand does have that over extended thing going on. Also,
the 4th finger tends to fly away into a locked position when not it
use. However, this tendency seems to go away when you really need
left hand coordination beyond playing scales as observed in your
playing of other studies, so this may or may not be a real problem.
The left hadn usually finds it way. It's not hard to fix, though, and
I would fix it if it were me.

When I listen to the scales passages I hear little "blips" of slightly
missed notes. Check your right hand fingering. With 'im' scales if
you play two or more notes on say the 3rd string , and then reach up
an play only one note on the 2nd and then return to the 3rd string,
you should play the 2nd string note with 'm'. The reverse is true when
you reach for a lower string. In order to do this, you may have to
change the left hand fingering and/or play an occasional note with 'a'
finger, but if you finger it like this, it will flow much bettter.
That will be $50, thank you. :)

Tommy Grand

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Nov 21, 2009, 10:18:42 AM11/21/09
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On Nov 21, 7:46 am, Lutemann <lutem...@aol.com> wrote:

> 2) Your left hand does have that over extended thing going on. Also,
> the 4th finger tends to fly away into a locked position when not it
> use.  However, this tendency seems to go away when you really need
> left hand coordination beyond playing scales as observed in your
> playing of other studies, so this may or may not be a real problem.
> The left hadn usually finds it way. It's not hard to fix, though, and
> I would fix it if it were me.

I do see the overextension thing you mean. Here's my problem: I
naturally get a lot of flexion/curvature at the tip joints. So when
I'm in the "mid range" position with the other joints, it's hard for
me to avoid playing on the left hand *nails*! This is, I think, why I
extend at the knuckles (bottom joints). You seem to think I do this
because I don't want to play on the pad of the finger, but it's
because I don't want to play on the NAIL!

I would love to have a LH that looks more like a "guitarists hand",
but I also don't want to fight the natural shape of my hands unless
it's a real necessity. Hmm, what do you think.

Regarding the fly away pinky, I think this is a real problem I need to
fix, and it arises when I have to alternate fingers 2 and 3 on the
LH. As you observed, you see it more on videos like 1 and 6, which
are precisely the studies that call for alternation of these two
fingers
I think I need to do more slur/independence exercises for all the
fingers, but esp 2&3.

> When I listen to the scales passages I hear little "blips" of slightly
> missed notes.  Check your right hand fingering. With 'im' scales if
> you play two or more notes on say the 3rd string , and then reach up
> an play only one note on the 2nd and then return to the 3rd string,
> you should play the 2nd string note with 'm'. The reverse is true when
> you reach for a lower string. In order to do this, you may have to
> change the left hand fingering and/or play an occasional note with 'a'
> finger, but if you finger it like this, it will flow much bettter.
> That will be $50, thank you. :)

Thanks for the tip. In addition to RH fingerings, the blips you are
hearing are worsened by my poor LH/RH sync, I think. Tennant has some
ex's for this, but I can also use studies 1&6 and vary the rhythmic
pattern.

Dicerous

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Nov 21, 2009, 5:33:10 PM11/21/09
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That was a much better appraisal of your situation than his usual
garbage. A slightly (ever so slightly) bent wrist is better than
Sherer's straight wrist. Keep it. Your RH will grow, don't change
anything. LH needs a little work but you already knew that. Talking
with Luteman is always controversial! Keep things in perspective.

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