Chapdelaine plays Mallorca..... the piece Segovia kicked him off stage for

[dewach...@gmail.com]

For those of you who want to know what a Tornavoz guitar sounds like, but were afraid to ask..... here ya go.

I don't think I need to comment on Chapdelaine's sublime musicality, you really don't hear this kind of playing in our wretched modern society that produces non musical typewriter competition winning apes anymore.

When Albeniz heard Llobet play his music he said something to the effect that's how he imagined it, I imagine Llobet was playing his favorite Torres with a Tornavoz. I love history!

Mallorca was the piece Segovia kicked Chapdelaine off the stage for..... ha ha ha! We tried to make the video look like the "Blair witch Project" a lot of moving around. It was recorded on my little Sony PCM D50 set about a foot away from the guitar, Michael is braver than most guitarists, a foot is pretty close, but he has a velvety smooth sound that goes down easy.

BTW, this guitar is for sale...... I'm reviewing applicants.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=LbMm4rdvu9c

[Andrew Schulman]

Wow, great all around, congrats on this new one Michael.

Andrew

[thomas]

I'm not a big fan of Spanish cg music, but this sounds pretty good. Is he still using the wrong fingering?

[dsi1]

I don't comment on other people's playing but what the heck. You don't
hear these pieces in such a jazzy, lively, style. It's groovy! Segovia
might not like it but he's dead.

I like the way the guitar is recorded too. I think it's the nylon guitar
sound that will gain acceptance in the future.

[Slogoin]

On May 7, 1:20 pm, thomas <drthomasfbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'm not a big fan of Spanish cg music

In RMCG you seem to have no love of any CG music nor any CG players.

[Charlie]

Michael,

Chapdelaine is a fun player to listen to, very smooth playing.

Was there any reverb in the recording or is that the Tornavoz?
What's the scale length? Spruce?

Very nice sound very nice playing. Sweet.

Charlie

[Tony Done]

On 8/05/2013 5:20 AM, dewach...@gmail.com wrote:
> For those of you who want to know what a Tornavoz guitar sounds like,
>

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=LbMm4rdvu9c
>

For anyone interested in the Tornavoz, Planet Waves makes a plastic
interpretation that can be fitted and removed through the soundhole:

http://www.planetwaves.com/PWOport.Page?sid=c5f6e392-2df9-441e-8177-2c96fb0eb2a5

I'm skeptical, but at the price it is a reasonable experiment.

--
Tony Done

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=784456

http://www.flickr.com/photos/done_family/

[Slogoin]

On May 7, 2:05 pm, Tony Done <tonyd...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
> For anyone interested in the Tornavoz, Planet Waves makes a plastic
> interpretation that can be fitted and removed through the soundhole:
>

> http://www.planetwaves.com/PWOport.Page?sid=c5f6e392-2df9-441e-8177-2...

>
> I'm skeptical, but at the price it is a reasonable experiment.

Old news here. Search the RMCG archive if you are interested in the
testimonials.

[Tony Done]

Thanks, I might do that. As I said I'm skeptical, partly because of
the mechanics of the thing - a floppy bit of plastic, and partly
because of "I put money/effort into this, it must be an improvement",
been there, done that enough times to be wary. However, the local
store has them in the 4" version, if I can get it cheap enough I might
give it at try. A sgnificant minus is that it won't work easily with a
soundhole pickup, which is the kind I prefer.

[dsi1]

On 5/7/2013 12:13 PM, Tony Done wrote:
>
> Thanks, I might do that. As I said I'm skeptical, partly because of
> the mechanics of the thing - a floppy bit of plastic, and partly
> because of "I put money/effort into this, it must be an improvement",
> been there, done that enough times to be wary. However, the local
> store has them in the 4" version, if I can get it cheap enough I might
> give it at try. A sgnificant minus is that it won't work easily with a
> soundhole pickup, which is the kind I prefer.
>

I have one in my big Aria Hummingbird copy. I'd recommend it if you feel
that your guitar is a little boomy. You'll probably be pleased with the
results - otherwise, I wouldn't bother.

[dsi1]

On 5/7/2013 10:20 AM, thomas wrote:
>
> I'm not a big fan of Spanish cg music, but this sounds pretty good. Is he still using the wrong fingering?
>

You're just like me except the opposite. Ain't Spanish and Latin
American music the music of the big boys? I never could understand that
music from Europe. :-)

[thomas]

I like the Latin American music. It's happy and sometimes even swings (in Brazil anyway). The Spaniards sound so suicidal.

[Slogoin]

On May 7, 5:06 pm, thomas <drthomasfbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I like the Latin American music. It's happy and sometimes even swings (in Brazil anyway).

Like HVL, Ginistera, Guastavino, Lauro...

[Tony Done]

Thanks. My guitars were carefully chosen not to be boomy, so I will
give it a miss. Come to that, they were all chosen for sounds that I
like, so expecting any kind of improvement is being optimistic.

[dsi1]

I've never heard it that way although you oughta know. Next time I'll see if I feel like killing myself when I play. Typically, it's the folks listening to me that want to die. If you can play S.A. music and swing, you're probably from South America.

[thomas]

On Tuesday, May 7, 2013 9:09:46 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
>
> I've never heard it that way although you oughta know. Next time I'll see if I feel like killing myself when I play. Typically, it's the folks listening to me that want to die. If you can play S.A. music and swing, you're probably from South America.>

It's really only the Brazilians and Cubans who swing. The rest of SA not so much.

[Che]

On Tuesday, May 7, 2013 2:20:46 PM UTC-5, dewach...@gmail.com wrote:
> For those of you who want to know what a Tornavoz guitar sounds like, but were afraid to ask..... here ya go.
>
>
>
> I don't think I need to comment on Chapdelaine's sublime musicality, you really don't hear this kind of playing in our wretched modern society that produces non musical typewriter competition winning apes anymore.<

Chapdelaine gets my vote for the American guitarist. . .period.

Che'

[dewach...@gmail.com]

Che, thought you might like that!

[dewach...@gmail.com]

Thanks Andrew!

[dewach...@gmail.com]

I begged him to put in some reverb, but, Michael likes those hot recordings....... there might be a dash of reverb but it's not much.

[dewach...@gmail.com]

Andrew sent me one of those to try. While it does effect the Helmholtz, it doesn't ring like a metal one nor give the top additional stiffness...... there is so much more going on with a real tornavoz.

[Che]

On Wednesday, May 8, 2013 8:52:02 AM UTC-5, dewach...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 7, 2013 10:18:04 PM UTC-6, Che wrote:

>
> > Chapdelaine gets my vote for the American guitarist. . .period.

> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=LbMm4rdvu9c
>
>
>
> Che, thought you might like that!<

Mike, you might not recall, circa 1990's, we discussed M.C. an I said at that time I thought he was the most interesting and listenable guitarist in America.
M.C. had recorded a series of pop music arrangements that were excellent, to say nothing of his wonderful Ponce recording.

M.C. also wrote a very informative article on tone, years ago. I say, if you don't project a warm interesting tone, it might be time to sit down and consider Plan B.

Che'

[Andrew Schulman]

On May 7, 6:13 pm, Tony Done <tonyd...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> >   Old news here. Search the RMCG archive if you are interested in the
> > testimonials.
>
> Thanks, I might do that.
>

The upshot is it worked very well for some guitars, not so much for
others. Better for steel stringers than nylon.

Andrew

[Tony Done]

It seems to me that anything to floppy, like the plastic the O-port is
made of, is likely to just soak up vibration. I tried using a
comparatively thick metal reso cone as a sound reflector inside a reso
once, and it had about the same effect as you would get by filling it
with old rags. The Virzi Tone Producers, flexible bits of wood, used in
early Gibson mandolins were also apparently tone soaks by modern standard.

Speaking of Helmhoz, do bigger soundholes ever get discussed here?
Sometimes, whilst holding a sharp knife, I get this awful urge.....

[Steve Freides]

dsi1 wrote:

>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=LbMm4rdvu9c

> I like the way the guitar is recorded too. I think it's the nylon
> guitar sound that will gain acceptance in the future.

The recorded sound has, to my ears, clearly been eq'ed. Guitars aren't
capable of producing that much fundamental on their lowest notes. It's
a pleasing sound but I don't believe it's what the guitar sounded like
in the room. I actually find it distracting.

Maybe it's just proximity effect from the mic being so close - I don't
know, but that's as likely an explanation as EQ - either way, the result
is a bass boost.

"It was recorded on my little Sony PCM D50 set about a foot away from

the guitar..."

That.

Lovely playing, IMHO, that I'd be happy to listen to any time. If
Segovia didn't like it, that's his loss.

-S-

[Slogoin]

On May 9, 6:01 am, "Steve Freides" <st...@kbnj.com> wrote:
>
> Lovely playing, IMHO, that I'd be happy to listen to any time.  If
> Segovia didn't like it, that's his loss.

It was the fingering changes MC made not the sound. If anything it
helped MC as few can even name any of the other players in that
masterclass.

[John Nguyen]

I like the the interview afterward even more. The way MC handling it
was very gracious and truly a class act. I would love to have a master
class with MC playing Granada with my own fingerings :-)

[Slogoin]

On May 9, 8:28 am, John Nguyen <johnnguyen5...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I like the the interview afterward even more. The way MC handling it
> was very gracious and truly a class act.

They all did. But little of that seems to be talked about like the
MC incident. Kanengiser ran into a similar thing where Segovia never
commented on his music but just asked about his music choices. I was
also very aware of the difference in how he treated the ladies who
performed. It was a different time and CG was nothing like today, but
it still seems to work as a promotional tool like this thread.

[Steven Bornfeld]

They all did interviews? I'd love to hear an interview with Kanengiser.
Maybe even more I'd like to hear his account today--with all the parts
spoken in the first person by K.

Steve

[dsi1]

On 5/9/2013 3:01 AM, Steve Freides wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=LbMm4rdvu9c
>
>> I like the way the guitar is recorded too. I think it's the nylon
>> guitar sound that will gain acceptance in the future.
>
> The recorded sound has, to my ears, clearly been eq'ed. Guitars aren't
> capable of producing that much fundamental on their lowest notes. It's
> a pleasing sound but I don't believe it's what the guitar sounded like
> in the room. I actually find it distracting.

I'm tired of the old sound of the guitar so EQing the recording is fine
with me. EQ is a good idea for YouTube to make up for lousy microphones
and not so great technique. Most guitar recordings sound too boomy and
lacking in upper midrange sparkle. I've always appreciated clarity in
recordings over a natural sound.

In this case, it was probably due to the mikes used. I suspect that most
guitarists would not like their guitar recorded so up-front but that's
because they're not up-front kind of people.

[Slogoin]

On May 9, 9:15 am, Steven Bornfeld <dentaltwinm...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
>
> They all did interviews?

Funny guy...

>  I'd love to hear an interview with Kanengiser.
>   Maybe even more I'd like to hear his account today--with all the parts
> spoken in the first person by K.

Some of it here but it's more fun to have him do the voices in person.

http://www.guitaralive.org/kanengiser.html

[Cactus Wren]

Larry, will you please look at this page and ask yourself if you are capable of holding the final idea in your head?

http://functionalpathtraining.typepad.com/.a/6a00e5521cccd08834017d415788f4970c-pi

[Steven Bornfeld]

On 5/9/2013 12:56 PM, Slogoin wrote:
> On May 9, 9:15 am, Steven Bornfeld <dentaltwinm...@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>>
>> They all did interviews?
>
> Funny guy...

Seriously--I didn't know what you meant. Were they all gracious? I
don't know how many were interviewed later. I remember the youtube
video where Segovia in master class is dressing down poor Brigitte
Zaczek, but I think I'm remembering the "Segovia Shreds" video.
I know a lot of people pine for the old days where the Maestro wore
tails and bowed deeply. I understand that, but there was a lot of crap
that went along with it--including the treatment of women, of course.

S.

[Slogoin]

On May 9, 12:15 pm, Steven Bornfeld <dentaltwinm...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

> Seriously--I didn't know what you meant.  Were they all gracious?

Yes.

> I know a lot of people pine for the old days where the Maestro wore
> tails and bowed deeply.  I understand that, but there was a lot of crap
> that went along with it--including the treatment of women, of course.

Yeah, that's the basic idea, and the politics of "success" are
still mostly cock fights, just like in RMCG. The male ego is still
fragile and we still put competition over cooperation as a means to
organize groups.

[Steven Bornfeld]

"Does not play well with others". That's probably why so much
repertoire is for solo guitar.
Does any other musician refer to their instrument as an "axe"?

[thomas]

On Thursday, May 9, 2013 5:36:16 PM UTC-4, Steven Bornfeld wrote:
>
> "Does not play well with others". That's probably why so much repertoire is for solo guitar.
> Does any other musician refer to their instrument as an "axe"?>

Yes. It derives from the woodshedding metaphor.

[Murdick]

I couldn't agree more, Che. How many out there do the Bream tone exercises? Maybe you should. I would if I ever went back into CG again.

[dewach...@gmail.com]

Che yes, of course I remember our conversations....... that's when you suggested I get a computer and make a website...... and I said, what's a computer? Ha ha!

Yea, it is hard to listen to other competition winning typewriter guitarists, after listening to Chapdelaine. Michael embodies the old style lyrical playing with a modern sound, he is the King of robato and vibrato, something seldom heard these days, but when you hear it, you know it.

Plan B........ get a day job?

[dewach...@gmail.com]

Yea, nylon strings are so damn finicky! Andrew I'm glad you mentioned that about steel strings because after 10 years of Chapdelaine asking me to make him a steel string I've started one for him, and since I think the weakest part of a steel string are the basses I'm fitting it with a carbon fiber tornavoz, which should put the basses on steroids!

[Che]

Many stimulating post and thoughts this Friday morning. It appears RMCG may have briefly returned from the dead.

Those that remember J. Bream's tone on the old Westminster Mono recording (A Bach Program For The Guitar) 1970, and compares it with his later recordings will find a remarkable improvement.

Kent, I addressed the Bream tone ex. years ago. I distinctly recall your concern with how high above the fretboard his left hand 3 & 4 fingers in direct contradiction to my concern with allowing those fingers to remain relaxed (until needed) close to the fingerboard.

Yes, I paid close attention to Bream's thoughts and comments. Recall his remarks about "ravishing and prodigious tone?" That said, I think one ought to closely study Bream's ideas and exercises and develop your own. I think that's exactly where my creativity began. Recall a remark I made years ago concerning "I willed the aural sound I wanted the nano-second before I excited the string(s)." You claimed it was impossible at the time. I decided, with that remark, to preclude any need to assuage your concerns.

Che'

[Che]

On Thursday, May 9, 2013 3:32:21 PM UTC-5, Larry Deack and his sick hen wrote:

> Yeah, that's the basic idea, and the politics of "success" are
>
> still mostly cock fights, just like in RMCG. The male ego is still
>
> fragile and we still put competition over cooperation as a means to
>
> organize groups.<

I take offence at this. Exactly what do you have against onomatopoeic roosters?

[dewach...@gmail.com]

I begged Chapdelaine to put some reverb on it, but being the macho guy he is he refused my request. I asked him what he did to the recording, he said he did nothing to the treble, only boosted the basses slightly. The Sony as good as it is leaves a lot to be desired as far as capturing the delicacy in the treble.

But, one has to understand what a tronavoz does to the bass response...... it lowers the Helmholtz by one whole step which drastically effects the basses. Listen to Bream play Rose Augustines 1940 Hauser, the Box is tuned to "E" . To give you an idea of what that means most modern guitars you hear these days are tuned to G# or A. A is the typical tuning of Ramierz for example.

Bream talks about the fact that he prefers guitars with a box tuned to "E". Also Torres "La Leona" is tuned even lower down around "D". This was the style of these older guitars....... very low box modes, thus producing the type of bass you hear in this video of Chapdelaine. So the bass you re hearing is the real deal, and not manufactured.

If you want the old style sound of Torres, Simplicio, Hauser, etc. a tornavoz is an essential ingredient, in the recipe.

If you want a modren sound then a tornavoz may not be what you want. It's important to keep in mind, like fine wines there are many tastes.

[dewach...@gmail.com]

Larry, a cock fight is between two cocks, not between a cock and a vagina.

[Che]

Mike, do you know Yuris Zeltins at the Blue Guitar? I'm going to find something for you dealing with fine wines and taste.

Che'

[Andrew Schulman]

On May 10, 11:11 am, dewachen1...@gmail.com wrote:
> Yea, nylon strings are so damn finicky!   Andrew I'm glad you mentioned that about steel strings
> because after 10 years of Chapdelaine asking me to make him a steel string I've started one for him,
> and since I think the weakest part of a steel string are the basses I'm fitting it with a carbon fiber
> tornavoz, which should put the basses on steroids!
>

It was a revelation seeing how the nylon stringers varied. IIRC cedar
responded better. However, Wendy's steel string guitar and 3-4 other
friends, all professional players with steels, were better with it.

Have fun with MCs steel string!

Andrew

[dsi1]

On 5/10/2013 6:10 AM, dewach...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I begged Chapdelaine to put some reverb on it, but being the macho guy he is he refused my request. I asked him what he did to the recording, he said he did nothing to the treble, only boosted the basses slightly. The Sony as good as it is leaves a lot to be desired as far as capturing the delicacy in the treble.
>
> But, one has to understand what a tronavoz does to the bass response...... it lowers the Helmholtz by one whole step which drastically effects the basses. Listen to Bream play Rose Augustines 1940 Hauser, the Box is tuned to "E" . To give you an idea of what that means most modern guitars you hear these days are tuned to G# or A. A is the typical tuning of Ramierz for example.
>
> Bream talks about the fact that he prefers guitars with a box tuned to "E". Also Torres "La Leona" is tuned even lower down around "D". This was the style of these older guitars....... very low box modes, thus producing the type of bass you hear in this video of Chapdelaine. So the bass you re hearing is the real deal, and not manufactured.
>
> If you want the old style sound of Torres, Simplicio, Hauser, etc. a tornavoz is an essential ingredient, in the recipe.
>
> If you want a modren sound then a tornavoz may not be what you want. It's important to keep in mind, like fine wines there are many tastes.
>

I'll reserve judgement on the tornavoz until I hear one in the flesh.
The one's I've heard on my computer speaker had an attack that sounds
sorta like a banjo and reminds me of a resonator type guitar. I liked
the well-defined attack sound on your link. Some folks might find it
harsh. It sounds as if you did add reverb. It's surprising that you
didn't because I get a good image of the room.

[thomas]

On Friday, May 10, 2013 9:24:05 AM UTC-4, Murdick wrote:
>
> How many out there do the Bream tone exercises?

Where does he describe these? (I did a google to no avail.)

[Che]

Just heard from your "La Leona" new owner. . .didn't surprise me in the least.

I'll bet most folks here have no idea of the original story. It was in Mexico DF last I heard. Been busy, it's late, and I have to eat or go into a coma.

Plan B? Most don't have a plan, period. Realistically, the A Plan is a trifecta, a little dream, a whole lot of work and more luck. Plan B, some type of professional certification not associated with music. That will keep a fellow out of jail when he can't keep up with the child support payments. I had the little operation to avoid those kind of problems. I knew a damned fool but excellent musician who went crazy for a woman, adopted her two kids as his own, had one with her and then divorced. Last I heard he was working in the maintenance dept. of a hospital, driving an old used car, drinking a lot.

Che'

[dewach...@gmail.com]

I didn't edit this video so I didn't do anything to it, like I said Chapdelaine did, and he told me did nothing other than boost the bass slightly.

I guess in your odd way you think you have given me a complement, by first reserving judgement, then comparing the sound to a banjo, and a resonator guitar, and harsh. I had to look up a resonator guitar on youtube because I never really heard one before.

All I can say is thank God people like you exist to try and discredit others in your typical (passive aggressive way) who actually have accomplished something in their field, it's always entertaining to hear your truly fucked up take on things of which you know nothing about, which is just about everything you comment on - minus hearing aids.

Comparing the sound of Chapdelaine's video to a Banjo, and resonator guitar is the mark of the true joker you are. I love this place where amateurs who know nothing rule the day.

[dsi1]

That's your scared, suspicious, ego-driven, little boy, side coming out.
You're a disgrace to Buddhists. That makes me sad. I have a lot of
respect for them.

I hear what I hear. Why the heck wouldn't a guitar sound like a banjo if
you stick a thin piece of metal inside the body connected to the
vibrating top?

The guitar in the Chapdelaine video didn't sound like a banjo but the
one's that I've heard before certainly did. Why didn't it? I don't know.
I'll reserve judgement on this until I hear one in real life. As I
stated, I like the sound of the guitar in the recording. It was recorded
for clarity rather than warmth. That's the sound you'd expect with two
high quality small diaphragm condenser mics. I believe that's how the
nylon string guitar will be recorded now that all the old farts are
dying out and the younger guys with fresh ears are coming on line.

My recommendation is that you trust Mr. Chapdelaine judgement on his
recordings and get your ears checked. I'll also refrain from commenting
on any recording of any guitar you're involved with. That won't be hard
to do.

It was Chapdelaine's playing that I was excited about - I've never heard
him play like that before and I'm a sucker for a guy that plays with
tone foremost in mind. As usual, you think everything is about you, you,
you. My comments were about Chapdelaine, not you, not your guitar, not
your tornavoz. You're the one that sucked me into commenting on your
guitar. Ha ha, you tricked me good. Next time, I'll know better.

[dewach...@gmail.com]

On Saturday, May 11, 2013 12:17:27 PM UTC-6, dsi1 wrote:
> On 5/11/2013 3:23 AM, dewach...@gmail.com wrote:

> That's your scared, suspicious, ego-driven, little boy, side coming out.
>
> You're a disgrace to Buddhists. That makes me sad. I have a lot of
>
> respect for them.

It may well be that I'm a disgrace to Buddhism, but really, is that the best you can aim for? Attack my belief system, because I called you out on your bullshit?

>
>
>
> I hear what I hear. Why the heck wouldn't a guitar sound like a banjo if
>
> you stick a thin piece of metal inside the body connected to the
>
> vibrating top?

I think you are confusing your eye sight with your hearing. I could tell you many reasons WHY, a guitar with a tornavoz doesn't sound like a banjo, but I would be wasting my precious time, but , suffice to say a Banjo doesn't have a tornavoz or anything close to a tornavoz.

> The guitar in the Chapdelaine video didn't sound like a banjo but the
> one's that I've heard before certainly did. Why didn't it? I don't know.

Gee thanks for the brilliant clarification. First you tell me it sounds like a Banjo, now you say it doesn't. Yer a fucking joke!

> I'll reserve judgement on this until I hear one in real life. As I
> stated, I like the sound of the guitar in the recording. It was recorded
> for clarity rather than warmth. That's the sound you'd expect with two high quality small diaphragm >condenser mics.

Yea well chances are you will never hear this guitar in person. It wasn't recorded for clarity it was recorded on what available recording devices I had. The Sony leaves a lot to be desired in the warmth dept. It is cold and unforgiving.

Perhaps all that reverb you were hearing was the actual guitar....... imagine that!

> My recommendation is that you trust Mr. Chapdelaine judgement on his
>recordings and get your ears checked. I'll also refrain from commenting
> on any recording of any guitar you're involved with. That won't be hard to do.

I obviously do, don'y ya think? I would be over joyed if an amateur like you would shut the fuck up when it comes to commenting on my guitars or videos....... can I hold you to that commitment? Out of 100's of comments on blogs Facebook, and YouTube, you are the first to compare the sound of this recording with a resonator guitar, and a banjo....... so pat yourself on the back and congratulate yourself on your kken observations...... now please refrain from further amateurish comments.

> It was Chapdelaine's playing that I was excited about - I've never heard
>
> him play like that before and I'm a sucker for a guy that plays with
>
> tone foremost in mind. As usual, you think everything is about you, you,
>
> you. My comments were about Chapdelaine, not you, not your guitar, not
>
> your tornavoz. You're the one that sucked me into commenting on your
>
> guitar. Ha ha, you tricked me good. Next time, I'll know better.

I only think it's about me me me because you told me my guitar sounds like a banjo, and a resonator guitar, in fact you stated you don't like to comment on peoples playing....... so get your shit straight which is it?

[Che]

THIS is exactly what Larry Wine Deack was talking about, Cock Fighting!!!!!

I am ashamed of both of you!!! You sound more like fighting quail than Roosters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2CH5IyPqXM

Notice, they have a little dust up, snack seed break, dust up again, break. . .until the ladies stroll by behind them. . . then the squeaking and tweeting
(Quail-Mail)get serious and junior gets kicked to the curb. Such is life.

Here endeth the lesson.

[dsi1]

On 5/11/2013 8:53 AM, dewach...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, May 11, 2013 12:17:27 PM UTC-6, dsi1 wrote:
>> On 5/11/2013 3:23 AM, dewach...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> That's your scared, suspicious, ego-driven, little boy, side coming out.
>>
>> You're a disgrace to Buddhists. That makes me sad. I have a lot of
>>
>> respect for them.
>
> It may well be that I'm a disgrace to Buddhism, but really, is that the best you can aim for? Attack my belief system, because I called you out on your bullshit?

OK pal, I'll call you out on your own bullshit. Tell me exactly what
part of my post you have problems with and I'll address it. The only
thing you can do is say the I'm generally full of shit. My policy has
always been to let me know if I've spread misinformation and I'll either
clarify or apologize for it. Your move.

P.S.: quit the self-righteous indignation - you have no problem
attacking the belief of other so pffft!

[dsi1]

Oh yeah man, I'm just getting started!

[Che]

http://tinyurl.com/bsj5tx3

[Che]

Ds1, you're starting to scare me. I know at night in secret you call us,

Long Pigs. My old Hawaiian girlfriend told me that. I thought she was talking about my PP at first.

[dewach...@gmail.com]

On Saturday, May 11, 2013 1:36:26 PM UTC-6, dsi1 wrote:

The guy who thinks I'm his pal wrote:

OK pal, I'll call you out on your own bullshit. Tell me exactly what
part of my post you have problems with and I'll address it. The only
thing you can do is say the I'm generally full of shit. My policy has
always been to let me know if I've spread misinformation and I'll either
clarify or apologize for it. Your move.

Saying my guitar sounds like a resonator, or banjo, is derogatory in general, and stupid in particular, is that clear enough for you? You see a piece of metal and the first thing that pops into your little mind is "resonator guitar".

It's the same when you go to your therapist and he holds up a card of a butterfly and you burst out "resonator guitar"! You need help PAL!

The metal in a banjo is around the rim, the metal in a Torres guitar is around the soundhole, while most children would associate these two things as the same, most discriminating adults would look a little deeper.

P.S.: quit the self-righteous indignation - you have no problem
attacking the belief of other so pffft!

I've not attacked your belief system, because you have none, you believe whatever you happen to say at the moment you say it, and that makes it a bit hard to identify.

[dewach...@gmail.com]

Che, like I said before a Cock Fight is between two Cocks, not a Cock and a little Hawaiian pussy!

[dewach...@gmail.com]

BTW, I have nothing against some good Hawaiian pussy....... just wanna get that straight.

[Andrew Schulman]

On May 11, 3:16 pm, Che <Comanchetr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I am ashamed of both of you!!! You sound more like fighting quail than Roosters.
>

As is often the case, a misunderstanding. David wasn't saying the
naughty things about this guitar, he was referring to other guitars.
Not perfectly written or read post. But I'm glad this happened
because David and Michael are good at this kind of thing and it was a
nice bit of brief boxing match entertainment.

http://tinyurl.com/5cjhcx

Andrew

[dewach...@gmail.com]

To the contrae, David was saying the recording of my guitar sounded harsh, banjo like, and like a resonator guitar. If this is not the case, perhaps David could post the recordings, or youtubes, where he has heard tornavoz guitars sounding like banjos, and resonator guitars.

[dsi1]

On 5/11/2013 10:19 AM, dewach...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, May 11, 2013 1:36:26 PM UTC-6, dsi1 wrote:
>
> The guy who thinks I'm his pal wrote:
>
> OK pal, I'll call you out on your own bullshit. Tell me exactly what
> part of my post you have problems with and I'll address it. The only
> thing you can do is say the I'm generally full of shit. My policy has
> always been to let me know if I've spread misinformation and I'll either
> clarify or apologize for it. Your move.
>
> Saying my guitar sounds like a resonator, or banjo, is derogatory in general, and stupid in particular, is that clear enough for you? You see a piece of metal and the first thing that pops into your little mind is "resonator guitar".
>

Sorry I hurt your feelings. I said that I'll hold judgement until I've
heard one in person. To tell you the truth, that's not a big priority
with me. Yeah, I know, that's gonna hurt your feelings too. Sorry.

> It's the same when you go to your therapist and he holds up a card of a butterfly and you burst out "resonator guitar"! You need help PAL!

I never said that the guitar Mr. Chapdelaine played sounded like a
resonator guitar PAL!

>
> The metal in a banjo is around the rim, the metal in a Torres guitar is around the soundhole, while most children would associate these two things as the same, most discriminating adults would look a little deeper.
>
>
>
> P.S.: quit the self-righteous indignation - you have no problem
> attacking the belief of other so pffft!
>
> I've not attacked your belief system, because you have none, you believe whatever you happen to say at the moment you say it, and that makes it a bit hard to identify.

I didn't attack your belief system. I did attack you. My Grandparents
and relatives on my Father's side of the family were pretty much all
Buddhists. Rest assured that I'd feel the same disdain if you had used a
cross or a manorah or whatever the hell Muslims use as a stage prop for
your video.

>
>
>

[dsi1]

On 5/11/2013 10:08 AM, Che wrote:
>
> Ds1, you're starting to scare me. I know at night in secret you call us,
>
> Long Pigs. My old Hawaiian girlfriend told me that. I thought she was talking about my PP at first.
>

To tell you the truth, I've always admired the white PP. It's a good
size. I'm stuck with an Asian PP. I'm sad. I admire the black PP too but
that's just plain ridiculous.

[Che]

On Saturday, May 11, 2013 3:25:25 PM UTC-5, dewach...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, May 11, 2013 2:23:53 PM UTC-6, dewach...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > On Saturday, May 11, 2013 1:16:37 PM UTC-6, Che wrote:
>
> >
>

> > > THIS is exactly what Larry Whine Deack was talking about, Cock Fighting!!!!!

>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > I am ashamed of both of you!!! You sound more like fighting quail than Roosters.
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2CH5IyPqXM
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > Notice, they have a little dust up, snack seed break, dust up again, break. . .until the ladies stroll by behind them. . . then the squeaking and tweeting
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > (Quail-Mail)get serious and junior gets kicked to the curb. Such is life.
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > Here endeth the lesson.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Che, like I said before a Cock Fight is between two Cocks, not a Cock and a little Hawaiian pussy!
>
>
>
> BTW, I have nothing against some good Hawaiian pussy....... just wanna get that straight.<

But here's the rub, you never know if it's good pussy until you get there and sometimes it's too late.

[dsi1]

This is great! Let's blow this place up! You're the expert on blowing
this place up. Who would guess that little old me could throw some
gasoline in the fire! I love you Doc! Heck I love everybody!

[Che]

See David, Andrew was right. . .look how easy it is to be misunderstood. Apparently you're not that familiar with your Hawaiian history. A "Long Pig" is a white man. . .she was telling me that her ancestors ate people like me and not just the naughty bits.

[Andrew Schulman]

On May 11, 4:31 pm, dewachen1...@gmail.com wrote:
> To the contrae, David was saying the recording of my guitar sounded harsh, banjo like, and like a resonator guitar.
>
>

Read it again. He said he liked your guitar.

Andrew

[Che]

YOU broke RMCG and made everyone leave!!!!

P.S. Diesel burns hotter than gas.

[dsi1]

I didn't misunderstand you - you said "PP" and that triggered my mind to
go into high gear. I believe that "long pig" was a euphemism that the
Japanese solders used when they were forced to resort to cannibalism
during WWII.

[dsi1]

Thanks for the factoid. I'm a car guy and didn't know this about diesel.
Will file that one away.

[Che]

Gas will blow up in your face, not diesel. Mix plain gelatin (Jello)with diesel/ Styrofoam and gas. . . you have napalm. You pour a little down a snake hole and no more snake. We use a small compact mirror to reflect light in the hole, if you can, to see if the snake is in.

Google common fuels and their flash points at atmospheric pressure.

[dsi1]

On 5/11/2013 11:41 AM, Che wrote:
>
> Gas will blow up in your face, not diesel. Mix plain gelatin (Jello)with diesel/ Styrofoam and gas. . . you have napalm. You pour a little down a snake hole and no more snake. We use a small compact mirror to reflect light in the hole, if you can, to see if the snake is in.
>
> Google common fuels and their flash points at atmospheric pressure.
>

Thanks, the heat content of diesel is about 14% higher than gasoline
although you wouldn't normally see diesel fuel on fire unless the shit
has really hit the fan.

[Che]

I seem to recall ya'll ate Captain James Cook. Ain't that a bitch, he discovered you and you ate him. Ya'll misunderstand the word "Cook" too?

The Murder of Captain James Cook, 1779 | Suite101
suite101.com/article/the-murder-of-captain-james-cook-1779-a170262
Oct 28, 2009 – In 1779, Captain Cook, the renowned English navigator, was on his ... For the Hawaiians, however, his departure tied in with the legend of ... The body was dismembered and part of the flesh was roasted over a fire and eaten.

[Fadosolrélamisi]

That's what I've read too ... but as everyone knows ... and ...
It has been established a long time ago that Dewatchon not only can't read but also cannot spell. He surely makes good guitars though.

[Che]

Half the time you lapse into artiste creole French and we don't know what you're trying to say. $hit like, "It's a business doing pleasure with you, wee wee."
Btw, quit copying my . . .'s

[dsi1]

On 5/11/2013 12:00 PM, Che wrote:
>
> I seem to recall ya'll ate Captain James Cook. Ain't that a bitch, he discovered you and you ate him. Ya'll misunderstand the word "Cook" too?
>
> The Murder of Captain James Cook, 1779 | Suite101
> suite101.com/article/the-murder-of-captain-james-cook-1779-a170262

> Oct 28, 2009 � In 1779, Captain Cook, the renowned English navigator, was on his ... For the Hawaiians, however, his departure tied in with the legend of ... The body was dismembered and part of the flesh was roasted over a fire and eaten.
>

Sorry about that. That Capt. Cook was a heck of a guy. We learned all
about him in school. OTOH, the outcome is rarely good for those that try
to pass themselves off as a God to savages.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Om83v9chFlY

[thomas]

On Saturday, May 11, 2013 6:31:56 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
>
> Sorry about that. That Capt. Cook was a heck of a guy. We learned all
> about him in school. OTOH, the outcome is rarely good for those that try
> to pass themselves off as a God to savages.

Yeah, but until they figure it out, life is really sweet.

[dsi1]

Good point.

[Fadosolrélamisi]

Mais ...

[Che]

Then we send you missionaries and Spam, TV's and books:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wExK37zBmX8

[Che]

Mais non, je blague

[dsi1]

On 5/11/2013 12:52 PM, Che wrote:
>
> Then we send you missionaries and Spam, TV's and books:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wExK37zBmX8
>

4 hours, 39 minutes, 17 seconds, of that old guy reading! That's a tough
gig to do and and even harder to listen to. How about I watch Apocalypse
Now and then blow my brains out halfway through the film?

Today's my birthday, if my calculations are correct, I'm 59 years old. I
come rushing in to work this morning thinking I was late for an
appointment but the guy's not here. Maybe I missed him. After 40
minutes, I call him and he says he's in bed. That's what I call a great
start of the day.

I don't like to make a fuss about my birthday so I figure this is going
to be just another shitty day but you guys have really made this a
special day for me! I haven't had so much attention paid to me since I
rescued those kids from that burning orphanage! Thank you! Thank you!
Thank you!

[wollybyrde]

what's wrong? did I miss something?
Happy Birthday

[Fadosolrélamisi]

Dsi1 ... You are the best!This is the best post here since a long time and ... heu ... Happy birthday ...! [;o)

[Fadosolrélamisi]

oh! Non !!!! Wholly ... don't read it, don't ... you gonna laugh to hard!
Ok, ok ... hold on to your hat (but not to your hate) Dewatcheooon *you're* (this is a must!) good Pal (a knew must) was complimented for the sound of one of his guitars by dsi1 and ... believe it or not ... he took offense to that!!!!
Go figure ... je ne blague pas ... c'est écrit noir sur blanc! Now ... if you want to go back and read... priceless!

[thomas]

I always liked Joseph Conrad in Cannon. Who knew he wrote audiobooks too?

[Che]

On Saturday, May 11, 2013 6:57:06 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:

> On 5/11/2013 12:52 PM, Che wrote:
>
> >
>
> > Then we send you missionaries and Spam, TV's and books:
>
> >
>
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wExK37zBmX8
>
> >
>
>
>
> 4 hours, 39 minutes, 17 seconds, of that old guy reading! That's a tough
>
> gig to do and and even harder to listen to. How about I watch Apocalypse
>
> Now and then blow my brains out halfway through the film?<

Didn't care for those films either.>

>
>
> Today's my birthday, if my calculations are correct, I'm 59 years old. I
>
> come rushing in to work this morning thinking I was late for an
>
> appointment but the guy's not here. Maybe I missed him. After 40
>
> minutes, I call him and he says he's in bed. That's what I call a great
>
> start of the day.<

Happy Birthday, Dave.

> I don't like to make a fuss about my birthday so I figure this is going
>
> to be just another shitty day but you guys have really made this a
>
> special day for me!<

Hell, had we known we could have sent you some, well. . .a cat. Sorry, but that's the breaks, Pal.

> I haven't had so much attention paid to me since I rescued those kids from that burning orphanage! Thank you! Thank you!<

Well, look at it like this. . .you have new and improved fire starting capabilities now.

Che'

[dsi1]

On 5/11/2013 2:12 PM, wollybyrde wrote:
>
> what's wrong? did I miss something?
> Happy Birthday
>

Somebody got insulted but not on purpose or in reality. I had nothing to
do with it.

[dsi1]

On 5/11/2013 2:52 PM, Fadosolr�lamisi wrote:
>
> Dsi1 ... You are the best!This is the best post here since a long time and ... heu ... Happy birthday ...! [;o)
>

Yes, the best birthday yet!

[dsi1]

On 5/11/2013 4:09 PM, thomas wrote:
>
> I always liked Joseph Conrad in Cannon. Who knew he wrote audiobooks too?
>

Fat, sloppy, private dicks are cool. Before that, he was the narrator of
moose and squirrel cartoons. This was his best work. He did write
juvenile adventure books before he got famous but of course, he was no
Stephenie Meyer.

[Cactus Wren]

On Saturday, May 11, 2013 12:16:37 PM UTC-7, Che wrote:
> THIS is exactly what Larry Wine Deack was talking about, Cock Fighting!!!!!
>
>
>
> I am ashamed of both of you!!! You sound more like fighting quail than Roosters.
>
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2CH5IyPqXM
>
>
>
> Notice, they have a little dust up, snack seed break, dust up again, break. . .until the ladies stroll by behind them. . . then the squeaking and tweeting
>
> (Quail-Mail)get serious and junior gets kicked to the curb. Such is life.
>
>
>
> Here endeth the lesson.

But Che, it actually sounds like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66LJKIauqFo

[dsi1]

On 5/11/2013 6:13 PM, Che wrote:
> On Saturday, May 11, 2013 6:57:06 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
>> On 5/11/2013 12:52 PM, Che wrote:
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Then we send you missionaries and Spam, TV's and books:
>>
>>>
>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wExK37zBmX8
>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 4 hours, 39 minutes, 17 seconds, of that old guy reading! That's a tough
>>
>> gig to do and and even harder to listen to. How about I watch Apocalypse
>>
>> Now and then blow my brains out halfway through the film?<
>
> Didn't care for those films either.>
>>
>>
>> Today's my birthday, if my calculations are correct, I'm 59 years old. I
>>
>> come rushing in to work this morning thinking I was late for an
>>
>> appointment but the guy's not here. Maybe I missed him. After 40
>>
>> minutes, I call him and he says he's in bed. That's what I call a great
>>
>> start of the day.<
>
> Happy Birthday, Dave.
>
>
>
>
>
>> I don't like to make a fuss about my birthday so I figure this is going
>>
>> to be just another shitty day but you guys have really made this a
>>
>> special day for me!<
>
> Hell, had we known we could have sent you some, well. . .a cat. Sorry, but that's the breaks, Pal.

I got all the cats I can handle - two black ones. One, a tiny little
thing, seems to be attached to me and tries to bury itself by my back
and the futon. I had to yank her out to make sure it wasn't crushed and
that she was still alive. The other cat is a wild, aggressive, cat that
is a pain in the ass. The presence of the little cat seems to have
calmed him down and he's just laying down and watching us. Cats - who
can figure them out?

[Che]

Fowl Play Cactus Wren. If you listen and observe closely you will note:

The Gambel's Quail actually sounds like a Gambel's Quail. It is the species common in your desert area. Btw, those are doves in the background of your site.

The quail common to Texas are another species, Bobwhite Quail. Believe it or not, they sound exactly like. . .Bobwhite Quail. They don't wear the helmet feathers.

In Texas we also have the smaller Blue Quail and Montezuma Quail. These quail go under different names depending on location and who you're talking with.

http://www.soundboard.com/sb/Quail_bird_Sounds

If you look closely, you'll find my name in the back of The Smithsonian Handbook: Birds of Texas.

http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/smithsonian-handbooks-fred-j-alsop/1102461896?ean=9780789483881

There are other species, a California quail, that will interbreed with your Gambel's. . .but they are the only wild quail to interbreed. I mention this because it explains the reason for their different songs.

Che'

[dewach...@gmail.com]

On Saturday, May 11, 2013 3:18:05 PM UTC-6, Andrew Schulman wrote:
> On May 11, 4:31 pm, dewachen1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > To the contrae, David was saying the recording of my guitar sounded harsh, banjo like, and like a resonator guitar.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> Read it again. He said he liked your guitar.
>
>
>
> Andrew

DSI said.....

I'll reserve judgement on the tornavoz until I hear one in the flesh.
The one's I've heard on my computer speaker had an attack that sounds
sorta like a banjo and reminds me of a resonator type guitar. I liked
the well-defined attack sound on your link. Some folks might find it
harsh. It sounds as if you did add reverb. It's surprising that you
didn't because I get a good image of the room.

You guys are the ones who can't read.

DSI said, he will reserve judgement, but then goes on to say the tornavoz guitars he's heard on his computer speakers have the attack of a banjo, and reminds him of a resonator type guitar. I assume since DSI is listening to my tornavoz guitar through his speakers as most people do, this applies to my guitar. He doesn't say other tornavoz guitars he's heard, he's says all tornovoz guitars he's heard.

I can't imagine that DSI sits around all day surfing the web for tornavoz guitars, he must be referring to all the ones I've posted on this forum.

Like I said, why doesn't DSI post a link to the other tornavoz guitars he's heard on his computer speakers that sound like banjos, and resonator guitars? I'd like to hear those! Really I would.

The only complement paid was "he liked the well defined attack" Banjos can have a well defined attack, in fact they do, as can resonator guitars, so this was a rather underhanded compliment after establishing that all tornavoz guitars heard over his speakers sound like banjos, and resonator guitars.

He then cast further judgement after his proclamation that he will reserve judgement, by saying..... "some people might find it harsh". Harsh is not exactly a flattering attribute ascribed to the sound of a guitar. He then further states, the reverb sound he is hearing must be added reverb, and not coming from the guitar itself.

He then equates the acoustical design of a banjo to the function of a tornavoz because both have some metal in them I guess.

All and all not a positive review, which of course is up to him. We live in a world were any moron can say anything they want and throw shit in the fan to see where it sticks, but, I have the same options.

[John Nguyen]

Happy B-day, young guy!!!!

[dewach...@gmail.com]

On Saturday, May 11, 2013 2:33:37 PM UTC-6, dsi1 wrote:
> On 5/11/2013 10:19 AM, dewach...@gmail.com wrote:

> Sorry I hurt your feelings. I said that I'll hold judgement until I've
>
> heard one in person. To tell you the truth, that's not a big priority
>
> with me. Yeah, I know, that's gonna hurt your feelings too. Sorry.

Oh, I don't think your sorry at all, but your artifice didn't hurt my feelings. I just want to clarify things a bit.

>
>
> I never said that the guitar Mr. Chapdelaine played sounded like a
>
> resonator guitar PAL!

You stated the Tornavoz guitars you've heard on your computer speakers sounded like a resonator guitar....... I assume you heard his guitar over your speakers, and didn't fly to Santa Fe, and play it in person
>
>
>
> > P.S.: quit the self-righteous indignation - you have no problem
>
> > attacking the belief of other so pffft!

What does pfft mean?
>
> >
>
> > I've not attacked your belief system, because you have none, you believe whatever you happen to say at the moment you say it, and that makes it a bit hard to identify.
>
>
>
> I didn't attack your belief system. I did attack you. My Grandparents
>
> and relatives on my Father's side of the family were pretty much all
>
> Buddhists. Rest assured that I'd feel the same disdain if you had used a
>
> cross or a manorah or whatever the hell Muslims use as a stage prop for
>
> your video.

Chapdelaine wanted the background of the shrine, because he is a Buddhist, and also he just happens to like the way it looks, with the candles and all. I guess if we used the Alhambra for the back ground you'd be calling me a bad Muslim, or if we shot this in a grand Church you call me a bad Christian.

I suggested we just do a black back drop, there was no intention of proselytizing here, nor do I feel the need to show anything.

Sorry you took offense to this, and felt the need to interject comments about my beliefs and conduct. This has nothing to do with Buddhism, just some nice scenery. Although it does invoke a certain reverence, which seems fitting for the piece.


>
>
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >

[dewach...@gmail.com]

On Saturday, May 11, 2013 3:02:10 PM UTC-6, Che wrote:
> On Saturday, May 11, 2013 3:25:25 PM UTC-5, dewach...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> > BTW, I have nothing against some good Hawaiian pussy....... just wanna get that straight.<
>
>
>
> But here's the rub, you never know if it's good pussy until you get there and sometimes it's too late.

Too late for what? Hombre, it's never too late! Grab that nurses ass!

[John Sorell]

Che <Comanc...@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:aa03bd98-6775-45ea...@googlegroups.com:

> On Sunday, May 12, 2013 1:23:59 AM UTC-5, Cactus Wren wrote:
>> On Saturday, May 11, 2013 12:16:37 PM UTC-7, Che wrote:
>>
>> > THIS is exactly what Larry Wine Deack was talking about, Cock
>> > Fighting!!!!!
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > I am ashamed of both of you!!! You sound more like fighting quail
>> > than Roosters.
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2CH5IyPqXM
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Notice, they have a little dust up, snack seed break, dust up
>> > again, break. . .until the ladies stroll by behind them. . . then
>> > the squeaking and tweeting
>>
>> >
>>
>> > (Quail-Mail)get serious and junior gets kicked to the curb. Such is
>> > life.
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Here endeth the lesson.
>>
>>
>>
>> But Che, it actually sounds like this:
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66LJKIauqFo<
>
>
> Fowl Play Cactus Wren. If you listen and observe closely you will
> note:
>
> The Gambel's Quail actually sounds like a Gambel's Quail. It is the
> species common in your desert area. Btw, those are doves in the
> background of your site.
>
> The quail common to Texas are another species, Bobwhite Quail.
> Believe it or not, they sound exactly like. . .Bobwhite Quail. They
> don't wear the helmet feathers.

I used to be able to call up Bobwhite. Practicing the flute later in life
ruined my ability to whistle.

Jean-Pierre

[Matt Faunce]

On 5/12/13 9:22 AM, dewach...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, May 11, 2013 3:18:05 PM UTC-6, Andrew Schulman wrote:
>> On May 11, 4:31 pm, dewachen1...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> To the contrae, David was saying the recording of my guitar sounded harsh, banjo like, and like a resonator guitar.
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>> Read it again. He said he liked your guitar.
>>
>>
>>
>> Andrew
>
> DSI said.....
>
> I'll reserve judgement on the tornavoz until I hear one in the flesh.
> The one's I've heard on my computer speaker had an attack that sounds
> sorta like a banjo and reminds me of a resonator type guitar. I liked
> the well-defined attack sound on your link. Some folks might find it
> harsh. It sounds as if you did add reverb. It's surprising that you
> didn't because I get a good image of the room.
>
> You guys are the ones who can't read.

This hinges on the meaning of "I've" instead of "I'd" in the second
sentence.

Speaking of Ives,* the Detroit Symphony Orchestra is playing all the
Ives symphonys in NYC this summer. They're not playing them here in the
D, that I know of, but many of the DSO musicians are playing chamber
music by Ives around town. Including in about an hour, so I've gotta go.
It's great stuff! Don't miss it!

* Oh geez, I've been reading Andrew's posts too much.
--
Matt

[Andrew Schulman]

On May 12, 12:02 pm, Matt Faunce <mattfau...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Speaking of Ives,* the Detroit Symphony Orchestra is playing all the
> Ives symphonys in NYC this summer. They're not playing them here in the
> D, that I know of, but many of the DSO musicians are playing chamber
> music by Ives around town. Including in about an hour, so I've gotta go.
> It's great stuff! Don't miss it!
>
> * Oh geez, I've been reading Andrew's posts too much.
> --
>

Matt,

If you're blaming me for your cultural inspiration...cool!

Andrew