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Alphonsus Jr.  
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 More options Oct 8 2012, 7:01 pm
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From: "Alphonsus Jr." <alphonsu...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 16:01:35 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Mon, Oct 8 2012 7:01 pm
Subject: VL Etude 1: Analyze
Focus on the "a" finger:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmcyEc2r2CU&feature=g-hist

Should we seek to eliminate any such reaching?


 
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himmelhoch  
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 More options Oct 8 2012, 8:09 pm
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From: himmelhoch <himmelh...@verizon.net>
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 17:09:48 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: VL Etude 1: Analyze

On Monday, October 8, 2012 7:01:36 PM UTC-4, Alphonsus Jr. wrote:
> Focus on the "a" finger:

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmcyEc2r2CU&feature=g-hist

> Should we seek to eliminate any such reaching?

Yes, move the hand lower relative to the strings.

S


 
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 More options Oct 8 2012, 8:22 pm
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From: Murdick <lutem...@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 17:22:35 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: VL Etude 1: Analyze

You are right , of course, but I think by now he has more problems than he can fix.

 
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David Raleigh Arnold  
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 More options Oct 8 2012, 8:25 pm
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From: David Raleigh Arnold <d.raleigh.arn...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 00:25:22 +0000 (UTC)
Local: Mon, Oct 8 2012 8:25 pm
Subject: Re: VL Etude 1: Analyze

On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 17:09:48 -0700, himmelhoch wrote:
> On Monday, October 8, 2012 7:01:36 PM UTC-4, Alphonsus Jr. wrote:
>> Focus on the "a" finger:

>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmcyEc2r2CU&feature=g-hist

>> Should we seek to eliminate any such reaching?

> Yes, move the hand lower relative to the strings.

> S

No, it will disappear of its own accord. Much better
not to be concerned about it, and to work at
something which really needs attention.

The lack of dynamics was unfortunate.  Regards, daveA

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Douglas Seth  
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 More options Oct 8 2012, 9:18 pm
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From: Douglas Seth <douglasse...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 18:18:58 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Mon, Oct 8 2012 9:18 pm
Subject: Re: VL Etude 1: Analyze
On Oct 8, 7:01 pm, "Alphonsus Jr." <alphonsu...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Focus on the "a" finger:

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmcyEc2r2CU&feature=g-hist

> Should we seek to eliminate any such reaching?

Yes. Here is a video of me playing the 1928 version with correct
string crossing from the elbow, ect. This was a 1st take from last
Nov.

http://youtu.be/WFzzjSmEk-Q


 
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himmelhoch  
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 More options Oct 8 2012, 9:39 pm
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From: himmelhoch <himmelh...@verizon.net>
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 18:39:29 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: VL Etude 1: Analyze

The lack of dynamics is not good, but the question was about the a finger.

And it seems from the tempo which this player uses that he has played it many, many times.  If the problem were going to disappear on its own, it already would have.

S


 
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Douglas Seth  
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 More options Oct 8 2012, 9:52 pm
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From: Douglas Seth <douglasse...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 18:52:41 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Mon, Oct 8 2012 9:52 pm
Subject: Re: VL Etude 1: Analyze
On Oct 8, 9:39 pm, himmelhoch <himmelh...@verizon.net> wrote:

I agree, Seth. Problems like this, concerning fundamental technique,
never just take care of themselves. String crossing has to be
addressed long before someone is playing the HVL Etudes. Because he
isn't crossing strings properly, he is over extending the fingers,
particularly the "a" finger.

 
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Andrew Schulman  
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 More options Oct 9 2012, 12:38 am
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From: Andrew Schulman <and...@abacaproductions.com>
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 21:38:52 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: VL Etude 1: Analyze
On Oct 8, 9:18 pm, Douglas Seth <douglasse...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes. Here is a video of me playing the 1928 version with correct
> string crossing from the elbow, ect. This was a 1st take from last
> Nov.

> http://youtu.be/WFzzjSmEk-Q

Beautifully played.  I have that version too, those repeats are really
missed when you are used to the published version!

Andrew


 
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Fadosolrélamisi  
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 More options Oct 9 2012, 1:38 am
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From: Fadosolrélamisi <rei...@telus.net>
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 22:38:24 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: VL Etude 1: Analyze
Le lundi 8 octobre 2012 18:18:58 UTC-7, Douglas Seth a écrit :

Terrific!

 
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2cts  
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 More options Oct 9 2012, 3:16 am
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From: 2cts <2...@from.gov>
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 09:16:36 +0200
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Subject: Re: VL Etude 1: Analyze

Yes! Sounds really 'easy' -  the way it really should do.

 
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Douglas Seth  
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 More options Oct 9 2012, 9:16 am
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From: Douglas Seth <douglasse...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 06:16:57 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Tues, Oct 9 2012 9:16 am
Subject: Re: VL Etude 1: Analyze
On Oct 9, 12:38 am, Andrew Schulman <and...@abacaproductions.com>
wrote:

> On Oct 8, 9:18 pm, Douglas Seth <douglasse...@gmail.com> wrote:> Yes. Here is a video of me playing the 1928 version with correct
> > string crossing from the elbow, ect. This was a 1st take from last
> > Nov.

> >http://youtu.be/WFzzjSmEk-Q

> Beautifully played.  I have that version too, those repeats are really
> missed when you are used to the published version!

> Andrew

Thanks Andrew, Alain, 2cts!
You know it's funny, I have played the 1928 version so long that now
the published version sounds weird to me. I like the fast harmonic
movement of the 1928 version of Étude 1 and 2. I have first take of
the 1928 version on my channel too if you haven't heard it. I should
record it, I dropped a couple notes.

 
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David Raleigh Arnold  
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 More options Oct 10 2012, 12:10 pm
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From: David Raleigh Arnold <d.raleigh.arn...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 16:10:16 +0000 (UTC)
Local: Wed, Oct 10 2012 12:10 pm
Subject: Re: VL Etude 1: Analyze

What problem? Are you going to picket this guy's
performances until his RH looks the way you think
it should? I think he is deliberately sticking out
the finger. He will stop eventually.

 Regards, daveA

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David Raleigh Arnold  
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 More options Oct 11 2012, 12:32 pm
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From: David Raleigh Arnold <d.raleigh.arn...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 16:32:49 +0000 (UTC)
Local: Thurs, Oct 11 2012 12:32 pm
Subject: Re: VL Etude 1: Analyze

On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 21:38:52 -0700, Andrew Schulman wrote:
> On Oct 8, 9:18 pm, Douglas Seth <douglasse...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Yes. Here is a video of me playing the 1928 version with correct string
>> crossing from the elbow, ect. This was a 1st take from last Nov.

>> http://youtu.be/WFzzjSmEk-Q

> Beautifully played.  I have that version too, those repeats are really
> missed when you are used to the published version!

Wrong repeats. It's the Em which should be repeated, to get
to a pianissimo before the ascent, just as Bach and Sor did
before such ascents.

 Regards, daveA

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Douglas Seth  
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 More options Oct 11 2012, 1:28 pm
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From: Douglas Seth <douglasse...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 10:28:17 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs, Oct 11 2012 1:28 pm
Subject: Re: VL Etude 1: Analyze
On Oct 11, 12:32 pm, David Raleigh Arnold <d.raleigh.arn...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Repeats or no repeats are neither wrong nor right, just taste. In the
1928 manuscript, there are no repeats. I have seen this first hand. It
is just another performance option. Hell, add the repeat where you
talking about in the piece. It is your choice as an artist. Others may
not agree, but the choice is yours and yours alone. Dualistic thinking
and a closed mind are the enemy of a true artist.

 
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himmelhoch  
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 More options Oct 11 2012, 1:45 pm
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From: himmelhoch <himmelh...@verizon.net>
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 10:45:47 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: VL Etude 1: Analyze

I wouldn't picket!  The problem, to me, is the overextended a finger causing the rhythm to drag every time the notes it plays come up in each measure.  Whether he is doing it on purpose or not doesn't matter, it's still a problem that needs a conscious and deliberate solution.

S


 
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