Some food for thought
Tashi
disciple refrain from eating meat... the food of the wise is that
which is consumed by the sadhus [holymen]; it does not consist of
meat... There may be some foolish people in the future who will say
that I permitted meat-eating and that I partook of meat myself, but...
meat-eating I have not permitted to anyone, I do not permit, I will
not permit meat-eating in any form, in any manner and in any place; it
is unconditionally prohibited for all.” The Buddha in Dhammapada
“Truly man is the king of beasts, for his brutality exceeds them. We
live by the death of others. We are burial places! I have since an
early age abjured the use of meat...” Leonardo da Vinci,
“It is my view that the vegetarian manner of living, by its purely
physical effect on the human temperament, would most beneficially
influence the lot of mankind.” Albert Einstein
One act of pure love in saving life is greater than spending the
whole of one's time in religious offerings to the gods ... Dhammapada
(Buddhist)
“As long as men massacre animals, they will kill each other. Indeed,
he who sows the seeds of murder and pain cannot reap joy and love.”
Pythagorus
“I look my age. It is the other people who look older than they are.
What can you expect from people who eat corpses?” George Bernard Shaw
The man who regards his own life and that of his fellow creatures as
meaningless is not merely unhappy but hardly fit for life. Albert
Einstein
More...............
http://www.stephen-knapp.com/vegetarianism_quotes_from_noteworthy_people.htm
Robert Crim
<dewach...@gmail.com> wrote:
> �To avoid causing terror to living beings, let the
Yankee Pot Roast
INGREDIENTS
One 35-ounce can whole Italian plum tomatoes, with their juices
1/4 cup vegetable oil
One 3 1/4-pound boneless chuck roast
Salt and freshly ground pepper
6 tablespoons unsalted butter
3 medium onions, coarsely chopped
6 large carrots, thickly sliced
3 medium celery ribs, thickly sliced
3 large garlic cloves, minced
1/4 cup plus 2 tablespoons all-purpose flour
2 cups canned beef broth diluted with 2 cups water
1/4 cup soy sauce
1 tablespoon Asian chili sauce
Pinch of sugar
1 pound medium red new potatoes, quartered
RECIPE METHOD
Preheat the oven to 350 degrees F. In a blender or food processor,
puree the tomatoes with their juices until almost smooth.
Heat the vegetable oil in a large enameled cast-iron casserole. Season
the roast generously with salt and pepper and add it to the casserole.
Brown the meat over moderate heat until crusty all over, 10 to 12
minutes. Transfer the roast to a platter.
Melt the butter in the casserole. Add the onions, carrots and celery
and cook over moderate heat, stirring, until barely softened, about 5
minutes. Add the garlic and cook until fragrant, about 2 minutes.
Sprinkle in the flour and cook, stirring, until incorporated, about 1
minute. Gradually stir in the diluted beef broth. Add the tomatoes,
soy sauce, chili sauce and sugar and bring to a simmer.
Put the roast back in the casserole. Cover the casserole and cook the
meat in the oven for 2 hours, turning it halfway through. Add the
potatoes, cover and cook for about 30 minutes longer or until both the
meat and the potatoes are fork-tender but not falling apart.
Transfer the roast to a cutting board and cover loosely with foil.
Using a slotted spoon, transfer the vegetables to a large deep
platter, cover and keep warm. Thickly slice the meat across the grain
and arrange it on the platter. Return the casserole to high heat and
boil the sauce, skimming frequently, until thickened and reduced to
about 5 cups. Season the sauce with salt and pepper, pour it over the
meat and vegetables and serve.
Enjoy,
Robertus
dsi1
>> disciple refrain from eating meat... the food of the wise is that
>> which is consumed by the sadhus [holymen]; it does not consist of
>> meat... There may be some foolish people in the future who will say
>> that I permitted meat-eating and that I partook of meat myself, but...
>> meat-eating I have not permitted to anyone, I do not permit, I will
>> not permit meat-eating in any form, in any manner and in any place; it
>>
>> �Truly man is the king of beasts, for his brutality exceeds them. We
>> live by the death of others. We are burial places! I have since an
>>
>> �It is my view that the vegetarian manner of living, by its purely
>> physical effect on the human temperament, would most beneficially
>>
>> One act of pure love in saving life is greater than spending the
>> whole of one's time in religious offerings to the gods ... Dhammapada
>> (Buddhist)
>>
>> he who sows the seeds of murder and pain cannot reap joy and love.�
>> Pythagorus
>>
>> �I look my age. It is the other people who look older than they are.
>> What can you expect from people who eat corpses?� George Bernard Shaw
You're despicable! Your recipe however, sounds pretty tasty. I love
Yankee Pot Roast - even the name is wonderful. :-)
Thin White Duke
Yet the Dalai Lama himself is reportedly addicted to bacon. Strange.
Jonathan
Wow...I had no idea that Adam Smith was a vegetarian.
Seems a bit ironic, considering the state of modern agriculture.
Robert Crim
<dewach...@gmail.com> wrote:
> �To avoid causing terror to living beings, let the
What do these learned people have in common besides
vegetarianism?..........they are all dead.
Robertus
Wollybird
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The only thing I dislike more than chuck roast is fish sticks. Can we
use good meat inststead?
BTW, as the saying goes, if God didn't want us to eat animals, he
wouldn't have made them out of meat.
Robert Crim
<woll...@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>On Nov 21, 5:16�pm, Robert Crim <fritzg...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> >http://www.stephen-knapp.com/vegetarianism_quotes_from_noteworthy_peo...
>> Robertus- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>The only thing I dislike more than chuck roast is fish sticks. Can we
>use food meat inststead?
>BTW, as the saying goes, if God didn't want us to eat animals, he
>wouldn't have made them out of meat.
OK, Wolly, try this one for the holidays. We've done it here for a
few years and it always works well.......really.
=========================================================
Cooking a Frozen Turkey [11/27/2003]
By Pauline Williams, MPA RD CD
The following instructions on cooking a frozen turkey are from
USU Extensions food safety specialist Dr. Charlotte Brennand.
Steps for roasting a frozen turkey:
- Take turkey from freezer and remove plastic wrap.
- Put the frozen turkey in a shallow pan and cover with a foil
tent. The edge of the foil should just hang loosely around the
turkey.
- Put the frozen bird in the oven and turn the oven to the desired
temperature (see chart below). Note: the giblets and neck will
still be in the craw; these can be removed halfway through the
cooking if desired, or just prior to serving.
- During the last 15-30 minutes of cooking, remove the foil tent and
turn the oven up to 400 degrees F.
The turkey CANNOT be stuffed using this method. Cook your stuffing
separately and serve on the side.
TIME AND TEMPERATURE CHART
You can choose from two oven temperatures, 250 or 325 degrees F.
Both
produce a good product. The best temperature depends on the size of
the
turkey and the time you want to eat. For example, to serve a 22-pound
turkey at 1:00 p.m. the bird would need to go in the oven around 3:30
a.m.
if using 325 degrees, or 7:30 p.m. the night before, if using 250
degrees.
Bird Size | Minutes per Pound
Pounds | 250 degree oven | 325 degree oven
10 | 57 | 39
12 | 56 | 37
14 | 54 | 34
15 | 52 | 32
18 | 54 | 30
20 | 49 | 27
22 | 47 | 25
24 | 45 | 23
For safety, use a meat thermometer to assure the bird reaches 170
degrees in the thickest part of the breast and 180 degrees in the
thigh.
Enjoy......
Robertus
Wollybird
That sounds good. I think I'll cook my bird that way this year. I hate
screwing around with defrosting.
I got a similarlly odd kind of cooking method for prime rib from a
chef a Kincades. Turn the oven on to 500 degrees, pack the meat in
salt. Place it in the oven, and turn the oven off. Be careful not to
open the oven. I don't remember how long it took but a thermometer
will do that.
Spectacular results.
Dicerous
I don't eat things that once had *fur* or *hair* on them, it's
disgusting. Birds are ok, because they're basically flying
dinosaurs. We all know what usually happens to them...
Robert Crim
Good--O. One caution, it cooks faster than the chart says. I'd start
checking the temp about 3/4 the way through and use the 325F setting.
It works for big ducks and/or geese too.
Robertus
Thin White Duke
> On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:59:09 -0800 (PST), Wollybird
>
>
>
Those sound like some tasty recipes, guys. Many thanks.
Tashi
You keep repeating this nonsense.
dsi1
>
> That sounds good. I think I'll cook my bird that way this year. I hate
> screwing around with defrosting.
> I got a similarlly odd kind of cooking method for prime rib from a
> chef a Kincades. Turn the oven on to 500 degrees, pack the meat in
> salt. Place it in the oven, and turn the oven off. Be careful not to
> open the oven. I don't remember how long it took but a thermometer
> will do that.
> Spectacular results.
I hate screwing around with defrosting too! All that stuff about leaving
it in the refrigerator for several days is impractical - who has the
room? Anyway, I take the frozen bird out of the bag and dump it in a 5
gallon plastic bucket with a salt solution and let it set overnight at
room temperature. Use a cup or so of salt and fill the bucket with water
to cover the bird. The salt solution hydrates the bird while keeping
nasty microorganisms at bay. This should only be done with unprocessed
birds and not one of those birds injected with a salt solution. You
don't want your bird to be all bloated like Angelina Jolie's lips, or
maybe you do - you sick bastard... :-)
Tashi
Interesting list of people, I was astonished to read Pythagorus, and
DaVinci, were not corpse eaters.
Augustine
Pedro Abreu
If you don't like fish sticks at least you're not a gay fish :)
Wollybird
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That's like saying all furry creatures are basically tree shrews.
I have a bird that's smarter than some unnamed posters.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_the_parrot
way smarter than a big dumb tasty cow
Tashi
You believe anything printed in a news paper? Amazing!
Wollybird
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he likes to eat baby cows, too. apparently too many vegetables made
his liver go south:
http://www.chow.com/grinder/2820
Tashi
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> he likes to eat baby cows, too. apparently too many vegetables made
> his liver go south:http://www.chow.com/grinder/2820
The tone of that article is obviously trying to insult, by calling him
Mr. Lama, and on and on about how much he eats etc. I'm not surprised
to find Wolli that you enjoy this, as you make fun of anything serious
and meaningful in life.
Jackson stated the Dalai Lama was "addicted" to bacon. He obviously
is not addicted to bacon.
Many Tibetan Buddhists eat meat because nothing grows in Tibet. In
many cases they wait for the Yak to die of natural causes then will
use the meat.
However, when Buddhists in the old days went door to door with their
bowl, whatever they were given they had to eat including meat.
Brad Anders
>
> You believe anything printed in a news paper? Amazing!
You're right. They should wait until it's posted to YouTube.
Brad Anders
Brad Anders
My source is better than yours
My source is better 'cause I found it, you didn't
My source is better than yours
Tashi
You are rather strange Brad, have you gone completely mental?
Jonathan
Pythagorus had some interesting dietary habits.
He allegedly believed that beans interfered with the transmigration of
the soul.
At any rate, you're in good company :)
Augustine
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > he likes to eat baby cows, too. apparently too many vegetables made
> > his liver go south:http://www.chow.com/grinder/2820
>
> The tone of that article is obviously trying to insult, by calling him
> Mr. Lama, and on and on about how much he eats etc. I'm not surprised
> to find Wolli that you enjoy this, as you make fun of anything serious
> and meaningful in life.
>
> Jackson stated the Dalai Lama was "addicted" to bacon. He obviously
> is not addicted to bacon.
>
> Many Tibetan Buddhists eat meat because nothing grows in Tibet. In
> many cases they wait for the Yak to die of natural causes then will
> use the meat.
>
> However, when Buddhists in the old days went door to door with their
> bowl, whatever they were given they had to eat including meat.
Turns out he's not only hooked on bacon, but also on veal (and Paul
McCartney doesn't like it):
http://deceiver.com/2008/12/16/paul-mccartney-is-a-medical-doctor-apparently/
By the way, Tashi, what do you think of this? Look:
Wollybird
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > he likes to eat baby cows, too. apparently too many vegetables made
> > his liver go south:http://www.chow.com/grinder/2820
>
> The tone of that article is obviously trying to insult, by calling him
> Mr. Lama, and on and on about how much he eats etc. I'm not surprised
> to find Wolli that you enjoy this, as you make fun of anything serious
> and meaningful in life.
>
Tashi
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > he likes to eat baby cows, too. apparently too many vegetables made
> > > his liver go south:http://www.chow.com/grinder/2820
>
> > The tone of that article is obviously trying to insult, by calling him
> > Mr. Lama, and on and on about how much he eats etc. I'm not surprised
> > to find Wolli that you enjoy this, as you make fun of anything serious
> > and meaningful in life.
>
> > Jackson stated the Dalai Lama was "addicted" to bacon. He obviously
> > is not addicted to bacon.
>
> > Many Tibetan Buddhists eat meat because nothing grows in Tibet. In
> > many cases they wait for the Yak to die of natural causes then will
> > use the meat.
>
> > However, when Buddhists in the old days went door to door with their
> > bowl, whatever they were given they had to eat including meat.
>
> Turns out he's not only hooked on bacon, but also on veal (and Paul
> McCartney doesn't like it):
Calling the Dalai Lama a "bloodthirsty Buddhist"? Obviously
McCarteny hasn't read the complete teachings of the Buddha on this
subject, neither have you. There are exceptions to eating meat, and
more specifically the act of taking life. You link to ridiculous
tabloid snippets, isn't this against your righteous standards?
> http://deceiver.com/2008/12/16/paul-mccartney-is-a-medical-doctor-app...
>
> By the way, Tashi, what do you think of this? Look:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OL1W5O4ur4Q
I think the interview says it all. China/Wal-Mart holds America
hostage, and sets America's foreign policy. It's the Kali Yuga.
Benoit Meulle-Stef
I would love to see your references in DaVinci and Pythagorus or is it
like with Islam clamming that all the top minds of the 20th converted
to Islam??? Are yo aware that humans are omnivorous animal? If you
don't know the word I suggest you a good dictionary... What makes you
belive that you are better than the animal you are? Meet have ALWAYS
been part of our diet. And yes sure Indians are a great example of the
benefit of a vegetarian diet: they don't eat a cow but have no problem
killing Pakistanis by the train-load burning them alive... Remember as
weel that PLANT are alive too so now you can start you diet on
minerals and water (of course lab water to prevent to have any alive
micro organism on it!)
Benoit
Benoit Meulle-Stef
>
> You believe anything printed in a news paper? Amazing!
Well you do the same with youtube....
Benoit
Tashi
You are a certifiable Maniac. You show not the slightest compassion
for living beings, and then justify your violent behavior truly a sick
man you are.
Tashi
No I don't! You dumbass!
Tashi
Not only that but I've cancelled my trip you your house for dinner,
when I come to Europe!
Benoit Meulle-Stef
You can't take critics can't you? That's the difference between you
and I. I can stile be disagree with you AND invite you to dinner :-).
No I dont think vegetarians or vegans do a good thing and it's as
legitimate point of view as yours...
Anyway you are welcome to dinner the conversation should be quite
interesting.
Benoit
Benoit Meulle-Stef
> You are a certifiable Maniac. You show not the slightest compassion
> for living beings, and then justify your violent behavior truly a sick
> man you are.
I know I shouldn't answer...Well you and I kill trees and the animals
how depend on them to built guitars...
Benoit
Tashi
Never! I don't dine with barbarians!
Tashi
Trees are not sentient beings.
Benoit Meulle-Stef
I do have often dinner with vegetarians and don't agrees them, I can
have a vegetarian dinner from time to time to please a guess... It's
name good manners...
Benoit
Benoit Meulle-Stef
Nether the animals depending on the trees???
Benoit
Jonathan
Have you ever slaughterered a cow or a pig?
I'm just wondering, since you seem to be so authoritative on the
matter :)
Brad Anders
Very civilized, Benoit. I sat next to a woman at dinner last night who
has two cable TV shows of her own on astrology and we had a very
pleasant conversation. If I can do that, surely Tashi and you could
share a meal.
Brad Anders
Brad Anders
Yeah? Explain that Jesus back then. Clear indication of higher beings
channeling their intelligence through trees.
Brad Anders
Benoit Meulle-Stef
That's exactly the part I disagree with Vegans: Why thy draw the line
arbitrary amount the livings? How can they know vegetals don't feel
stress, pain? Reaction of plants to environment is quite strange as if
they could feel...
Benoit
Benoit Meulle-Stef
> Very civilized, Benoit. I sat next to a woman at dinner last night who
> has two cable TV shows of her own on astrology and we had a very
> pleasant conversation. If I can do that, surely Tashi and you could
> share a meal.
>
> Brad Anders
That must had been intense...
Benoit
Robert Crim
I can't answer for Benoit, but yes I have slaughtered cows, pigs,
impala, wart hog, water buck, wildebeest, bear, moose, deer, raccoon,
squirrel, rabbit, rattlesnake, bullfrog, elk, and lots and lots of
fish and crabs.
I'm at the top of the food chain, but I treated them all with respect.
Robertus
Tashi
Simple, they don't have a nervous system.
Your idea, regardless of whether an animal feels terror, and pain,
you will not feel remorse, in fact, you justify it. It's one thing to
eat meat, and it's quite another not to feel compassion, and treat an
animal the same as a stalk of corn.
Tashi
I hope she was cute.
Tashi
Yea, it sounds like it! I think you treat yourself with respect
that's for sure.
Tashi
I'm just teasing you Benoit, I can't wait for dinner, what are we
having?
Robert Crim
One should always treat oneself with respect. One should always treat
others with respect. A lesson you should learn.
Being a "washed up old has been" gives one a lot of perspective on
things.
Robert us
Andrew Schulman
> I'm just teasing you Benoit, I can't wait for dinner, what are we
> having?
>
>
Andrew
Benoit Meulle-Stef
> I'm just teasing you Benoit, I can't wait for dinner, what are we
> having?
Benoit
Benoit Meulle-Stef
> I can't answer for Benoit, but yes I have slaughtered cows, pigs,
> impala, wart hog, water buck, wildebeest, bear, moose, deer, raccoon,
> squirrel, rabbit, rattlesnake, bullfrog, elk, and lots and lots of
> fish and crabs.
>
> I'm at the top of the food chain, but I treated them all with respect.
>
> Robertus
You always have to do everything with respect. I hate casual hunters
who get rid of the animal they kill or the farmer how treats his cows
badly.American Indians are a great example of respectfull hunters. I
always had a weak spot for shaman cultures .
Benoit
Benoit Meulle-Stef
> Let me guess, spruce AND cedar?
>
> Andrew
Nop cocobolo and padouk!
Benoit
dsi1
I was in our parking lot with my ex-U.S. Marine neighbor watching the
antics of 5 or so boars that would show up every night on the other side
of the chain link fence separating the lot from a wooded area. He used
to raise pigs and told me of his method of dispatching them. It sounded
like an intimate, special moment rather than any kind of violent act and
involved kneeling next to the pig and holding it's body against his and
keeping it calm while jabbing it in the neck with a sharp knife. He said
the pig never feels a thing and simply falls over.
One night we were joined by a Hawaiian guy that also knew a thing or two
about pigs. A Hawaiian and a haole ex-grunt are pretty much worlds apart
in all kinds of ways but these guys shared a genuine affection for pigs.
They discussed the hide patterns on the pigs and probable relationships
and hog hierarchy and snout shapes and when they thought the pregnant
sow would give birth. In the end, we all agreed that the pigs would come
to a bad end by coming out of the protection of the hills.
My neighbor did hear a loud squealing late at night and knew that meant
that a pig was wounded. He got up and saw flashlights in the woods. The
next morning it was discovered that someone shot an arrow through the
chain link fence which hit the handlebar of a beautiful custom motorbike
which deflected it onto a concrete wall, bent it's aluminum shaft and
left a neat mark with an x shape cleanly cut into the concrete. An
expensive, high power setup. That was a stupid shot.
Anyway, now there's no more pigs. :-(
Tashi
You bring tears to my eyes Crim, please, how can we emulate your
life and works, oh great one.
Tashi
Sounds good!
Jonathan
.American Indians are a great example of respectfull hunters.
Depends on what they were hunting :)
>
> Benoit
Brad Anders
> I hope she was cute
She wasn't bad, for 75 or so. It was a wedding where my wife and I
only knew one other person than the bride and and groom. We were at
that one reception table at all weddings that everyone tries to avoid
being seated at.
Brad Anders