Agustin Barrios Recordings
cesar
I like Barrios music, but I have just 3 CD's.
I have the one from John Williams, other from David Rusell and the
good one, from Alexander Sergei Ramirez.
Besides these three... is there any other good recording that you
could recommend?
Augustine
Antigoni Goni's disc is among the best I've heard:
http://www.naxos.com/catalogue/item.asp?item_code=8.554558
Also:
http://www.naxos.com/catalogue/item.asp?item_code=8.555718
&
http://www.naxos.com/catalogue/item.asp?item_code=8.557807
Also good:
Hear Barrios himself:
thomas
Have you heard Barrios's own records?
cesar
Yes, but I have a little problem with them.
My hearing used to today's quality recordings does not allow me to
enjoy it.
I know I shouldn't pay attention to that, but I can't avoid it.
I barely can stand Segovia old recordings, and it is just because it
is Segovia!
cesar
Thanks!
I'm listening the samples right now, they all sounds good.
But I think at the end I will still think that John William's versions
are the ones with the most flawless techinque and Alexander Sergei's
versions are the ones with more feeling.
I'll post more comments later.
> Antigoni Goni's disc is among the best I've heard:
>
> http://www.naxos.com/catalogue/item.asp?item_code=8.554558
>
> Also:
>
> http://www.naxos.com/catalogue/item.asp?item_code=8.555718
>
> &
>
> http://www.naxos.com/catalogue/item.asp?item_code=8.557807
>
> Also good:
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Intimate-Barrios-Berta-Rojas/dp/B001NTQD5S/ref=...
>
> Hear Barrios himself:
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Agustin-Barrios-Complete-Recordings-1913-1942/d...
fol...@yahoo.com
complete works of Barrios.
Mark
Charlie
Unless i am mistaken, John Williams is the one who listened to Barrios'
origininal recordings and wrote out the music. It is because of Williams
thaqt we have many of his tunes.
Charlie
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Stanley Yates
"Charlie" <gtr...@tds.net> wrote in message
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> Hello Cesar,
>
> Unless i am mistaken, John Williams is the one who listened to Barrios'
> origininal recordings and wrote out the music. It is because of Williams
> thaqt we have many of his tunes.
>
> Charlie
This isn't true. Williams received the scores from Carlos Payet.
sy
Charlie
said it took him hours to transcribe from the recordings.
Charlie
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Stanley Yates
John told me the Barrios story himself. He was given a few pieces by Alirio
Diaz in Sienna (Aire de Zamba, Cueca and Danza Paraguaya, I think), in the
50s, but received a whole pile of photocopies from Carlos Payet, a medical
student from San Salvador who was in London (in the early 70s?). He also
told me hadn't even heard the original Barrios recordings when he recorded
the first Barrios album. And, in the sleeve notes to that recording, he
thanks Jason Waldron and Robert tucker for their accurate transcriptions!
It's certainly possible that once he did hear some of the original
recordings he tweaked some of the versions he was playing, but he was very
forthcoming about where the bulk of that repertoire came from. So, it's a
little misleading to suggest that: "John Williams is the one who listened to
Barrios' origininal recordings and wrote out the music. It is because of
Williams thaqt we have many of his tunes"
Credit where it's due, Charlie...
sy
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Augustine
Cesar, it would be a shame if you didn't at least get the Antigoni
Goni CD. Its sound quality and her playing are far superior to that of
Alexander Sergei Ramirez.
Charlie
Charlie
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Stanley Yates
>I stand by what i originally stated.
>
> Charlie
You stand by the statement:
> "John Williams is the one who listened to Barrios' origininal recordings
> and wrote out the music. It is because of Williams thaqt we have many of
> his tunes"
...even though the man himself has stated both personally and in his own
liner notes that he got the editions and transcriptions from Diaz, Payet,
Tucker and Waldren?
OK...
sy
cesar
Yes, that is one of the best among the newly suggested.
I'm getting that from Amazon.
Thanks!
Augustine
> Yes, that is one of the best among the newly suggested.
> I'm getting that from Amazon.
>
> Thanks!
My pleasure. Good choice.
fol...@yahoo.com
Hi Stanley,
Who knows what kind of information Charlie is sticking to...I wouldn't
be surprised if he heard or read some kind of edited interview.
Take the program notes to Bream's recording of the Jose Sonata:
"The third work is a complete novelty: a sonata by Antonio Jose...
(snip) which had been virtually forgotten for sixty years and which
Bream discovered in a music shop soon after it was published for the
first time in 1990"
This is written in a tricky way, giving Bream a little more credit
than he perhaps deserves.
I am sure this kind of Madison Avenue P.R. is what Charlie has come
across.
Mark
On Jan 6, 6:29 pm, "Stanley Yates" <i...@StanleyYates.com> wrote:
> "Charlie" <gtr...@tds.net> wrote in message
>
> news:QU71n.4039$cW....@newsreading01.news.tds.net...
>
> >I stand by what i originally stated.
>
> > Charlie
>
> You stand by the statement:
>
> > "John Williams is the one who listened to Barrios' origininal recordings
> > and wrote out the music. It is because of Williams thaqt we have many of
> > his tunes"
>
> ...even though the man himself has stated both personally and in his own
> liner notes that he got the editions and transcriptions from Diaz, Payet,
> Tucker and Waldren?
>
> OK...
>
> sy
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Stanley Yates" <i...@StanleyYates.com> wrote in message
> >news:gh31n.2354$Sk4....@newsfe10.iad...
> >> Charlie,
>
> >> John told me the Barrios story himself. He was given a few pieces by
> >> Alirio Diaz in Sienna (Aire de Zamba, Cueca and Danza Paraguaya, I
> >> think), in the 50s, but received a whole pile of photocopies from Carlos
> >> Payet, a medical student from San Salvador who was in London (in the
> >> early 70s?). He also told me hadn't even heard the original Barrios
> >> recordings when he recorded the first Barrios album. And, in the sleeve
> >> notes to that recording, he thanks Jason Waldron and Robert tucker for
> >> their accurate transcriptions! It's certainly possible that once he did
> >> hear some of the original recordings he tweaked some of the versions he
> >> was playing, but he was very forthcoming about where the bulk of that
> >> repertoire came from. So, it's a little misleading to suggest that: "John
> >> Williams is the one who listened to Barrios' origininal recordings and
> >> wrote out the music. It is because of Williams thaqt we have many of his
> >> tunes"
>
> >> Credit where it's due, Charlie...
>
> >> sy
>
> >> "Charlie" <gtr...@tds.net> wrote in message
> >>news:fCT0n.4027$cW....@newsreading01.news.tds.net...
> >>>i respectfully disagree. I heard an interview with John Williams and he
> >>>said it took him hours to transcribe from the recordings.
>
> >>> Charlie
>
> >>> "Stanley Yates" <i...@StanleyYates.com> wrote in message
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>
> I am sure this kind of Madison Avenue P.R. is what Charlie has come across.
Sounded like Charlie called SY a liar to me, but that can't be right.
Tommy Grand
Did you call him a liar when you rejected pure tech?
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>
> Did you call him a liar when you rejected pure tech?
Quit trying so hard, TG. You stepped in your own shit by claiming
there is such a thing as "pure" tech that has no note grouping.
Tommy Grand
There is. See Kent's video, again.
Slogoin
Do you ever stop playing gotcha? Are you really some guy in a
mental hospital? Is that it? You just get obsessive about someone and
can't let it go? Is that what happened with Reza? You just couldn't
let it go? Is your wife worried about this? I mean first Reza and now
me. This is not looking good for you TG.
Tommy Grand
Geez Larry what the hell? I'm just saying there's pure tech. You can
disagree with that, without taunting me about how I play worse than
your 8 year old.
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Bullshit, you are just playing your stupid game and everybody reading
this knows it.
There is no "pure' tech that does not have note groupings. It's
impossible to play notes without grouping even when you try to play
flat your brain will try to group them (unless your brain is different
from the study group) .
Of course this has nothing to do with "pure tech" and has everything
to do with your obsession with me like you had with Reza.
Tommy Grand
>It's impossible to play notes without grouping
What a relief! Unfortunately I find that it's quite possible to play
an uneven pimi @ 120. I'm looking for help with that, not with things
that occur automatically.
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> What a relief! Unfortunately I find that it's quite possible to play an uneven pimi @ 120.
Your rhythm is quite 'even' if limping was how you were trying to
make it sound. The stopping SY suggested was a note grouping but you
can't hear that because it sounds to you like it came from me.
Pathetic that you let your ego get in the way of learning.
> I'm looking for help with that, not with things that occur automatically.
Change the rhythm. Work with rhythm. Reverse the accents you use
"naturally". Do NOT try to play flat - that's not human and very
difficult for humans as I've pointed out numerous times.
You really don't listen do you? I feel sorry for your teacher if you
are doing this bullshit with him.
Tommy Grand
LOL Larry I just think it's funny how you'd rather shuck and jive than
concede a simple point. You tell people they should make videos if
they have guts, then you say you have no interest in making videos
yourself. Then you say you are making teaching videos. First you say
arpeggios must be practiced with an actual musical shape in mind, but
you've sort of dropped that claim and are now trying to pretend you
agreed with SY all along!
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>
> > I'm looking for help with that, not with things that occur automatically.
"Playing quickly feels like one motion, something that Philip Hii
calls grouping: making many movements feel like one. Stanley Yates
calls it getting the knack for something."
-Christopher Davis
Mr. Davis studied with SY and has posted to RMCG.
Of course you won't listen to any of this because you are convinced
these are my ideas and must therefor be attacked.
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> now trying to pretend you agreed with SY all along!
You just can't hear what I say because of you ego.
Tommy Grand
I like these ideas. You think they coincide with yours simply because
the word "group" is in there? Lol. I think I have to get the right
"knack" before I can hope to apply fast pimi in a real musical
situation. If you are honest, you'll acknowledge that you were
originally arguing the exact opposite -- i.e., I'll never get the
knack *until* I apply it to real music. I believe Hii, Yates and
Davis would disagree with you. In fact, I think jumping headfirst
into El Abejorro (which you appeared to advocate) might completely
derail my chances of getting the knack.
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>
> I like these ideas. You think they coincide with yours simply because
> the word "group" is in there? Lol.
You are an idiot who can't read.
You've dug your hole so deep you have no idea how to get out so you
just attack me over and over.
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>
>
>
> Hi Stanley,
> Who knows what kind of information Charlie is sticking to...I wouldn't
> be surprised if he heard or read some kind of edited interview.
>
> Take the program notes to Bream's recording of the Jose Sonata:
>
> "The third work is a complete novelty: a sonata by Antonio Jose...
> (snip) which had been virtually forgotten for sixty years and which
> Bream discovered in a music shop soon after it was published for the
> first time in 1990"
>
> This is written in a tricky way, giving Bream a little more credit
> than he perhaps deserves.
> I am sure this kind of Madison Avenue P.R. is what Charlie has come
> across.
> Mark
Mark, please do not underevaluate the discovery of music shops selling
Sonatas. They may have bathrooms and one could also discover lukewarm water.
And the telephone.
ag
Cristiano Porqueddu
> complete works of Barrios.
> Mark
I can confirm this.
The 5 Cds "Soledad" will be available in the Summer 2010.
http://soledad.cristianoporqueddu.com/
Ciao
Cristiano
Reza Ganjavi (www.rezamusic.com)
Hi Larry,
I don't regularly read this newsgroup (and will soon unsubscribe again)
so I don't know what you've gone through and sure hope it wasn't too bad
and you weren't a victim of illegal offenses. It is not a strange thing
in the sick world we live in for an obsessed individual to things that
violate a person's rights and break the law. A great artist friend says
it's almost impossible to do anything that matters and not get bothered
by people who are jealous, obsessive, etc., and cyberspace makes it
easier. Some people not only don't mind bothering other people, they get
a kick out of it, and he bigger the victim, the bigger the kick. But
luckily laws in cyberspace are evolving, specially in the West.
The case you mention was a horrible one which left me with no choice but
to take legal action (I wasn't about to reciprocate the illegal action
with illegal action and a dog fight which having had a computer science
background like you, I was perfectly capable of doing). I met vulgarity
with civility. It took a lot longer but it yielded results. Now that
it's over I've been asked by others including a leading scholar in cyber
stalking to write the story, which I'm doing from A to Z including the
entire scope of the illegal attacks, the fascinating story of how the
identity puzzle unraveled, the long jurisdiction discussion, and
finally, the defendants settling the case before it goes to trial. A few
rough notes and various filings are included in :
http://home.datacomm.ch/rezamusic/RezaGanjavi_vs_JeremySmith_ToddTipton_WilliamJennings_et_al.html
http://home.datacomm.ch/rezamusic/3rd_amended_complaint_IL.htm
http://home.datacomm.ch/rezamusic/misc_filings.html
The story will get published in the near future.
How's life at OCGC?
Reza
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I'm sorry that such things happen. I have never filed a lawsuit and
hope I never feel I have to.
My situation is nothing like yours. He just tries to play "gotcha"
too much and doesn't seem to know any friendly games.