Bill Gates backs climate scientists lobbying for large-scale geoengineering

[Green Tea]

I remember those who called me wacky (namely Wolli/Dick and RNG), and
a conspiracy theorist....... they've been doing this for the past 10
to 15 years and now it's finally hitting the mainstream. Ha ha.......
who's nuts now?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/feb/06/bill-gates-climate-scientists-geoengineering

[Slogoin]

> who's nuts now?http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/feb/06/bill-gates-climate-...

Oh, goody! I can't wait for a Winblows controlled global weather...
can anybody say "blue globe of death"?

Seagate made a ton off the floods in Thailand selling Chinese made
hard drives. Just think of the possibilities for hacking the system
that runs the Earth's weather. $$$$$ AWESOME! $$$$$

[Richard Jernigan]

> who's nuts now?http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/feb/06/bill-gates-climate-...

I am firmly opposed to geoenineering. My only post that mentions it is
this one:

http://tinyurl.com/7d38dze

reviewing, at your request, a movie alleging chemtrails. In passing I
mentioned a proposed geoengineering project that was defeated. The
text is appended below.

Tashi's (J. Michael Thames's = Green Tea's) response in the same
thread concluded with

"Thanks for taking a look, and thanks for not jumping on the band
wagon and calling people who are investigating this "crazy". "

Now that your memory on the subject is refreshed, any further claim
that I think news of proposals for geoengineering are just a
conspiracy theory will be a God-damned lie.

RNJ

The post:


Okay, I finished the movie. First let me amend my comment that it is
journalism. Journalism would at least mention opposing views like
this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemtrail_conspiracy_theory

But the movie does not. It is not journalism, it is advocacy. Nothing
wrong with that. People ought to advocate their beliefs if they are
important.

I have little doubt that geo-engineering is being studied. Several
years ago there was a serious proposal to introduce finely divided
iron into the ocean to promote the growth of plankton. The
proliferated plankton would sequester carbon dioxide, a greenhouse
gas. An immediate cry of protest arose against the artificial
introduction of iron. For example the increased turbidity of the
plankton-enhanced water would destroy any coral reef it was swept
over
by wind and current. The iron scheme was abandoned.

The movie promotes aluminum particles as an efficient means of
introducing reflective material into the atmosphere. Actually
aluminized glass spheres, the reflective material of highway signs,
tons of which are already present in the environment, would be
lighter, and just as effective.

http://tinyurl.com/27vefl3

The movie presents evidence of high aluminum concentrations in snow
on
and water near Mount Shasta in California, and alterations in soil
acidity. Later the amount is misstated. During the Hawaii segment it
is said that 61,000 parts per billion of aluminum is 61,000 times the
quantity that should prompt government action. In fact the guideline
is stated as one part per million, not one part per billion, so the
excess is overstated by a factor of 1,000. Just a nit. A factor of 61
is alarming enough. Its cause should be investigated, beyond a doubt.

The logical leap comes in the interview with the Belgian former
mayor.
He says we have “scientific proof that we are being sprayed”.
Assuming
the aluminum concentrations are correct, we have scientific proof of
aluminum contamination, but no scientific proof that it comes from
spraying by aircraft.

People say that water and ice don’t behave the way aircraft
condensation trails do. They say ice falls from the sky. Not
necessarily so. During periods of fluctuating tradewinds in the
Central Pacific, I observed the formation and persistence of high
altitude cirrus clouds. Ice crystals form, spread and remain
suspended
at high altitude for days.

Aluminum immediately forms a tough coating of insoluble oxide when
exposed to air. Aluminum particles introduced into the environment
will persist for a long time. None are exhibited in the movie. Even
if
found on the ground, it’s not proven that particles are coming from a
secret government program of aircraft spraying, although that would
certainly be a strong suspicion.

The aluminum concentrations are indeed alarming. To prove that it
comes from aircraft, why not go after the smoking gun? Anyone can buy
a weather balloon, a cylinder of helium and a pressure regulator to
inflate it, an air sampling rig such as those sold for collecting
mold
spores, and a simple barometric drop device to release the sampler
after it has reached its operational altitude. A cheap GPS and
transmitter would enable finding it after it drops. Go up into the
suspected chemtrails, and prove they contain particles.

If you want more control, build a drone to carry the air sampler
precisely where you want it. The Air Force drones cost $millions. But
you could build a high altitude drone with materials from a hobby
shop, including packaged radio control rigs. It could be done for a
few $thousand. If you believe that planes are spraying aluminum, you
ought to get busy proving it, not jumping to the conclusion that it’s
where it’s coming from.

I return the Scottish verdict, “Not proven”. I don’t say chemtrails
are definitely not happening. But I do say it’s not proven that they
are.

RNJ

[wollybird]

On Feb 7, 9:20 am, Green Tea <dewachen1...@gmail.com> wrote:

> who's nuts now?http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/feb/06/bill-gates-climate-...

sorry mike, you're still the doofus. talking about the possibility of
manipulating the climate is not he same thing as the government
spraying us with drugs over the last 50 years or whatever.

[Green Tea]

If you sit around twitting your thumbs waiting for proof, it will be
to late. This is where you have to use your brain put two and two
together and reach an informed conclusion yourself, and quit listening
to MSM and idiots like Wolli who call everyone conspiracy theorists.

[Green Tea]

Never once said they are spraying us with drugs! Aluminum, barium,
and god knows what else yes. Get your facts straight Dick!

[Green Tea]

Not to mention the earthquake machine.

[wollybird]

manipulating the climate is not the same thing as the government
spraying us with Aluminum, barium,
and god knows what else over the last 50 years or whatever.

[Green Tea]

Your the damn DOOFUS! ha ha ! They use aluminum and barium to
reflect sun light, do some research, for a change Wolli/Dick.

[wollybird]

That's obvious, except for the whatever.
So, why are the scientists and the billionaires wanting to do research
on how to do it, as your article states?
According to you, they've been doing it long before the term "climate
change" was coined.
seems like a waste of time and money if you ask me.

[Green Tea]

Well they have been spraying something for a long time, that's for
sure. Perhaps they are creating global warming and climate change, it
would seem there is quite a bit of money to be made in climate
change.

As far as controlling the weather they've been working on that for the
past 60 years, it would be quite a weapon don't ya think? I don't
think they are doing it for our benefit.

BTW, did you know on 911 the temperature rose 5 degrees, because of no
jet contrails or chemtrails for the day?

Wolli you are such a trusting soul, you just don't have the diabolical
mind it takes to see the nature of human beings with too much power
and money.

[Richard Yates]

On Tue, 7 Feb 2012 19:03:04 -0800 (PST), Green Tea
<dewach...@gmail.com> wrote:

>BTW, did you know on 911 the temperature rose 5 degrees, because of no
>jet contrails or chemtrails for the day?

Wrong once again. (Is someone counting these?)

http://www.nature.com/news/2008/081231/full/news.2008.1335.html

http://www.int-res.com/abstracts/cr/v26/n1/p1-4/

[Richard Yates]

one more: http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2008/2008GL036108.shtml

[Richard Jernigan]

On Feb 7, 2:30 pm, Green Tea <dewachen1...@gmail.com> wrote:

> If you sit around twitting your thumbs waiting for proof, it will be
> to late.  This is where you have to use your brain put two and two
> together and reach an informed conclusion yourself, and quit listening
> to MSM and idiots like Wolli who call everyone conspiracy theorists.

I have a far amount of experience using my brain to put two and two
together. And I have 43 years of experience doing two things you have
no idea about whatsoever.

Everything I worked on for 43 years was classified at some level, most
of it Top Secret. Many millions of dollars were spent following the
government's procedures to keep this information secret. During all
this time I knew of only two serious breaches of procedure, neither of
which resulted directly in public disclosure of secret data.

Yet, with only two exceptions, I read detailed information about every
project in the trade press and the major newspapers and magazines. It
is nearly impossible to keep details of large projects secret. People
love to talk.

The other experience I had was figuring out what the Soviets were up
to on strategic missile defense. They spent hundreds of billions of
rubles on this during the cold war. Star Wars was a very modest effort
in comparison. The Soviets were doing their best to conceal what they
were doing. We did a good job of finding out what they were up to.

There were times when the data collected by the National
Reconnaissance Office, the National Security Agency, the CIA and the
Defense Intelligence Agency were ambiguous. Disputes arose as to their
interpretation. Eventually more data resolved the issues. I was never
on the losing side of a major dispute. I never sat out the battle when
the outcome was crucial. I ignored a few trivial fights where the
outcome made no difference and we could wait to learn the answer.

So I've had lots of experience seeing how hard it is to keep secrets,
and I've had lots of experience at putting two and two together.

Your accusation that I base my thinking on the mainstream media is
hilarious. You should be a standup comedian. For a couple of decades I
read their accounts of major defense research and development programs
I played key roles in. Nothing could possibly make it more clear that
the mainstream media are biased all the time and factually wrong most
of the time.

On the other hand, you regularly put two and two together and get
fifty-seven. For example, you called me a fool and the astronauts
liars for saying they landed on the moon. Now you cite people who
walked on the moon as authorities for the existence of UFOs. Which is
it? Are they liars or people whose word is to be relied upon in a
controversial subject?

Do you really think you are smarter than everybody else? Or are you
just trying to stir up shit?

RNJ

[Green Tea]

You may well be a smart guy, but you seem to lack common sense, this
is in fact a trait observed in many smart people. I also find it
reveling you wrote two or three paragraphs citing your smartness,
perhaps along with your cleverness you suffer from "little penis
syndrome" as well, you know that can be a BIG problem.

If the gov. was covertly controlling the weather, RNG, sits around
waiting for an official statement form the very people who are
covering it up? How cleaver is that?

Yea I love how you put two and two together, fluoride is good for you,
not only is it in the damn water it's in ALL the food you eat made
with the water, it has zero alleged benefit to teeth if it is
digested, yet studies clearly show a health risk to the body..... RNG
just brushes this off and has a good laugh.

Where did I call the astronuts liars? Where? I played devils
advocate and made it clear I didn't know one way or the other. One
thing for sure if I were the USA gov. I'd sure as hell have a damn
back up plan, like a fake film showing we landed on the moon just in
case something went wrong.

BTW, I can site many astronuts who claim to have seen UFO's, as well
as scientists, and politicians, just because RNG never saw one, or
doesn't believe it's possible, is not a valid argument, and BTW, your
previous statement about never capturing a UFO on radar is hogwash!

> Do you really think you are smarter than everybody else? Or are you
> just trying to stir up shit?

So talking about geo-engeneering is "stirring up shit"? Go back to
sleep Richard.........

[Green Tea]

On Feb 7, 10:06 pm, Richard Yates <rich...@yatesguitar.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 07 Feb 2012 21:04:01 -0800, Richard Yates
>

> <rich...@yatesguitar.com> wrote:
> >On Tue, 7 Feb 2012 19:03:04 -0800 (PST), Green Tea
> ><dewachen1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>BTW, did you know on 911 the temperature rose 5 degrees, because of no
> >>jet contrails or chemtrails for the day?
>
> >Wrong once again. (Is someone counting these?)
>
> >http://www.nature.com/news/2008/081231/full/news.2008.1335.html

Not Climate - Global or Regional Temperatures. The caption is
misleading. There is disagreement on the significance of every bit of
evidence regarding influences on temperatures and climate.

> >http://www.int-res.com/abstracts/cr/v26/n1/p1-4/
>
> one more:http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2008/2008GL036108.shtml

What a doofus you are Richard. Climate scientists, are bought and
paid for political prostitutes. I would however agree about the jet
contrails not effecting the temperature much, I more concerned about
the jet chemtrails, which none of your articles covered, and is the
subject of this thread. The chemtrail jets were also grounded that
day.

[Slogoin]

On Feb 8, 7:57 am, Green Tea <dewachen1...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Climate scientists, are bought and
> paid for political prostitutes.

Yes, just like luthiers, they are all in it for the BIG bucks!
LOL!!!!!

[wollybird]

who are these political prostitutes that pay the evil climate
scientists? Is the United States the only country that sprays its
population with aluminum, barium, and god knows what else? This
revelation really makes the Kochtopuss seem all flacid and ineffectual.

[Green Tea]

I don't know if prostitutes make "big bucks" Larry........... it's
about job security, just ask Wolli/Dick.

[Green Tea]

Instead of taking a rational approach to something that is obviously
happening, you act like a loon.

[Slogoin]

On Feb 9, 9:53 am, Green Tea <dewachen1...@gmail.com> wrote:

> it's about job security

You mean people like those at this place:

http://www.ess.uci.edu

Do you really think their motives are not as ethical as your own?

[Green Tea]

On Feb 8, 11:03 am, wollybird <wollyb...@frontiernet.net> wrote:

Missed "Climategate"....... there is really no hope for you.

[Green Tea]

Who says I have ethical morals............ you? We live in the Kali
Yuga, survival is dependent upon deception and, otherwise you can't
play the game.

[Green Tea]

On Feb 9, 8:15 am, Slogoin <la...@deack.net> wrote:

It depends on where their funding comes from. I don't know about
Livermore, but I know a few guys who work in labs out here, and they
have to raise their own funding for the years projects, which means
they have to sell other people on their ideas to keep the managers
happy. I imagine it's all the same everywhere.

I guess Larry you think because someone has a degree in physics they
are non corruptible? I used to think Mozart, and Beethoven were
saints too! Larry don't be so damn naive, yer startin to sound like
Wolli, and RNG.

[Slogoin]

On Feb 9, 10:49 am, Green Tea <dewachen1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> It depends on where their funding comes from.

Aren't you just as corrupt as anybody else who seeks funding for
their work? Are you dishonest about your work and those who support
you? Would you do what you accuse others (who you do not even know) of
doing?

[Slogoin]

On Feb 9, 10:52 am, Green Tea <dewachen1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Who says I have ethical morals............ you?

So it makes sense to complain that others are prostitutes whoring
for their money and so eager to please that they lie about their work.
Is that what you do?

[Green Tea]

The great Larry de-railer strikes again!!! Ouch! So this is all
about me is it?

[Green Tea]

Moppy Larry, I have first hand knowledge about corruption in
science..... I don't care if you believe me or not, yer just a guy who
teaches kids three chords.

As far as my own personal ethics...... there is not enough money in
the world of luthiery to tempt me to abandon my basic ethics. On the
other hand if someone offered me a million bucks and a beach front
property in Thailand I might be tempted, but I'll wait and cross that
road when I get there....... I'll keep you up to date as soon as it
happens.......

[Green Tea]

On Feb 9, 9:36 am, Slogoin <la...@deack.net> wrote:

Moppy Larry, watch the movie "Inside Job" about the financial
collapse, there was a guy who was paid by the bankers to write a
wonderful review of Iceland's financial situation days before it went
bankrupt. That's just one guy out of many just in that film
alone....... wake the f@rk up dude!

[Slogoin]

On Feb 9, 12:04 pm, Green Tea <dewachen1...@gmail.com> wrote:

> So this is all about me is it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Actor–observer_bias

[Slogoin]

On Feb 9, 12:10 pm, Green Tea <dewachen1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Moppy Larry, I have first hand knowledge
> about corruption in science.....

Sure it's not second hand? or did you do work in the science field
that you have not mentioned here?

> I don't care if you believe me or not, yer just
> a guy who teaches kids three chords.

Correction, I'm just a guy who teaches music to people of all ages.

> As far as my own personal ethics...... there is not enough money in
> the world of luthiery to tempt me to abandon my basic ethics. On the
> other hand if someone offered me a million bucks and a beach front
> property in Thailand I might be tempted, but I'll wait and cross that
> road when I get there....... I'll keep you up to date as soon as it
> happens.......

Well, it can happen really fast if you are someone like RNJ with
his skills and access. I bet you would figure out that you can live in
a nice home on the beach in Thailand without selling your soul, if
that's what you really want to do.

[Slogoin]

On Feb 9, 12:18 pm, Green Tea <dewachen1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> wake the f@rk up dude!

I'm awake and well, thank you. How are you doing? Going back to
Thailand soon? It seems like you like it there better than the US.

[wollybird]

No I didn't.
Apparenly you did. It was bogus.
More evidece that you are a bloger of the evil Kochtopus.

[wollybird]

> > revelation really makes the Kochtopuss seem all flaccid and ineffectual.

>
> Instead of taking a rational approach to something that is obviously
> happening, you act like a loon.

Yes mike. the government has been spraying aluminum, barium and god
know what else for 60 years for god knows what purpose, and only a
handful of frustrated, self appointed, all knowing, internet nerd
messiahs know about it.
Sorry mike, you are the doofus.

[Green Tea]

Yea it wasn't bogus after the spinmiesters were finished! As I said,
yer such a trusting soul.

[Green Tea]

For now I'll keep doing it the ethical way as best I can, until
someone offers me a house in Thailand if I make a guitar with a crack
in it.

Your logic is faulty as usual, Saying because RNG is not corrupt,
everyone else isn't, is just plain stupid! BTW, I don't know if RNG
has been corrupted, if he was do you think he would tell us?

[Slogoin]

On Feb 9, 1:24 pm, Green Tea <dewachen1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Your logic is faulty as usual

It's not my or your logic that is at fault but a strange disconnect
between the abstract world of politics and the real world of different
people working together for the same goals.

There is corruption in every group. The powerful can do and do do a
lot more harm but others who have power understand the cost and do
their best to ameliorate the damage as much as they can. The problem
is not an identifiable "them" as the corrupt are everywhere in every
institution and you cannot create a group that can exclude "them".

[wollybird]

You're saying the Koch brothers had it right, then. Some like
Greenpeace got to their hired climate scientist and offered him a
pile of money they couldn't match to come to a conclusion contrary to
their direction.
Mike, you're such a Kochsucker.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-october-26-2011/weathering-fights

[Green Tea]

Here ya go Larry...... Sorry this might rock your little world.

A handful of scientists, including Hansen, have gotten wealthy on
climate alarmism. They have an enormous financial interest in the faux
science they have done so much to perpetrate.
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2011/11/james-hansen-and-the-corruption-of-science.php

Just Google corruption and science, it's not my job to bring you up
to speed.

[Green Tea]

Wolli/Dick likes to play with Kochsucker....... dude you've mentioned
it now in three posts, but you don't have any takers........

[wollybird]

could have fooled me

[Slogoin]

On Feb 9, 3:16 pm, Green Tea <dewachen1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Here ya go Larry...... Sorry this might rock your little world.

That's your example of corruption???

There's a great irony in this you seem to have missed.

[Green Tea]

On Feb 9, 4:57 pm, Slogoin <la...@deack.net> wrote:
> On Feb 9, 3:16 pm, Green Tea <dewachen1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Here ya go Larry...... Sorry this might rock your little world.
>
>   That's your example of corruption???

I said Google my dear boy, I'm not doing it for you.

>   There's a great irony in this you seem to have missed.

Pray tell Larry, does it have something to do with me being a corrupt
guitar maker?

[wollybird]

could be that, according to you, the government has been spraying
aluminum and barium to cool the earth (the temperature went up a
whopping 15 degrees the day they didn't), however climate change is a
hoax.

[wollybird]

or is it that you refer us to a Koch sponsored blog?

[Green Tea]

With you, facts go out the window and it's attack the messenger game,
you need to sing a different song cowboy.

[Green Tea]

It's not according to me, there is lots of info on this..... I would
supply some links, but I'm afraid I would be wasting my time with you,
besides you have already made up your mind geo-engeneering isn't
happening despite Bill Gates, and many other companies trying to get a
piece of the geo-engeneering pie.

There have been treaties banning weather warfare dating back to the
50's.... again google it, and get yourself up to speed for Christ's
sake! you are beginning to sound like a damn idiot.........even RNG
doesn't deny it.

[Green Tea]

On Feb 9, 4:57 pm, Slogoin <la...@deack.net> wrote:

Here Larry, I did a little homework for you and Wolli........

Corrupted Science

This project titled "Corrupted Science" was developed as part of a
series of lectures that explores the disengagement of science from its
ethical roots, resulting in a loss of honesty, integrity, objectivity,
autonomy, and public confidence.

A series of power point presentations highlight the corrupting
influences on scientific practice. This site grew out of the research
for the book Science in the Private Interest (Rowman & Littlefield
Pub., 2003).
This project is supported by the Common Benefit Litigation Expense
Trust.



Outline of Presentations:
NOTE: These slide shows can be accessed with Internet Explorer. Other
browsers may have difficulty reading the site. If you have difficulty
accessing the site with your browser, choose the following PDF
alternatives.

PP 1: Historical Background: Web slides | PDF
Policies supporting the breakdown of sector boundaries between
academia and the commercial world
PP2: Corporate Influence in Academic Science: Web slides | PDF
PP3: Withholding Information: Web slides | PDF
Is secrecy in science on the rise?
PP4: Ghostwriting: Web slides | PDF
Can we be certain that the name on an article is the author?
PP5: Funding Effect in Science: Web slides | PDF
Does private sponsorship of research bias the outcome?
PP6: Scientific Journals and Conflict of Interest: Web slides | PDF
How are science journals responding to author conflict of interest?
PP7: Ethics and Science Advisory Committees: Web slides | PDF
How do government rules address conflicts of interest of scientists
serving on federal advisory committees?
PP8: Conflict of Interest within Government Science: Web slides | PDF
What ethical rules govern scientists serving within government
agencies?
PP9: Government and Professional Society Reports and Documents on
Conflict of Interest: Web slides | PDF
PP10: Investigative Media Reports on Academic Industry Relations: Web
slides | PDF
http://www.tufts.edu/~skrimsky/corrupted-science.htm

[wollybird]

ok mike.
go lie down now

[Green Tea]

I am lying down.

[Green Tea]

On Feb 9, 4:57 pm, Slogoin <la...@deack.net> wrote:

Larry here is some more.... I know you and Wolli think it's an
impossibility that scientists lie, just like Wolli thinks bankers are
pillars of ethical behavior. I think you two want to believe, I think
you and wolli have created a new religion, no different than fanatical
fundamentalists....... ever wonder why politicians are corrupt? It's
because of people like you, and Wolli, prefer to have others do the
thinking for you.

"We have come to appreciate that scientific misconduct is often not
intuitively obvious to those who perpetrate it. Therefore, this
commentary has been written to review what we know about the role of
conflict of interest (COI) in the reporting of scientific information
and to challenge those of us in educator roles to do a better job in
mentoring our trainees, junior faculty, and associates on what is
right and wrong; what is ethical and unethical."
http://chestjournal.chestpubs.org/content/136/1/253.full

[wollybird]

I know scientists can be bought, the Koch brothers do it all the time
(Oddly enough, you're prone to swallow what they dish) So did the
tobacco companies. Corruption in medicine runs in the ten of billions
per year.
I don't think you've made a single convert with your kookie 60 year
covert spraying program, though. It has more holes in it than Larry's
socks.
I have the whole day off. Aren't you pleased?

[Green Tea]

Wolli/Dick, I never said they were spraying for 60 years....... I said
this," As far as controlling the weather they've been working on that
for the
past 60 years, it would be quite a weapon don't ya think?"

"Controlling" and "spraying" are two different words, but whatever, in
your world it's all about what you believe rather than fact.

Below is a UN treaty about weather warfare, dating from 1977. If
there is a treaty, it begs the question as to why, don't ya think? Or
is that just too damn logical for you?

http://www.scribd.com/atwitsend/d/3436120-UN-1976-Weather-Weapon-Treaty

US Legislation

The Space Preservation Act was proposed "to preserve the cooperative,
peaceful uses of space for the benefit of all humankind by permanently
prohibiting the basing of weapons in space by the United States, and
to require the President to take action to adopt and implement a world
treaty banning space-based weapons."[21]

2005 U.S. Senate Bill 517 and U.S. House Bill 2995 U.S. Senate Bill
517[22] and U.S. House Bill 2995[23] were two bills proposed in 2005
that would have expanded experimental weather modification, to
establish a Weather Modification Operations and Research Board, and
implemented a national weather modification policy. Neither were made
into law. Former Texas State Senator John N. Leedom was the key
lobbyist on behalf of the weather modification bills.

2007 U.S. Senate Bill 1807 & U.S. House Bill 3445 Senate Bill 1807 and
House Bill 3445, identical bills introduced July 17, 2007, proposed to
establish a Weather Mitigation Advisory and Research Board to fund
weather modification research [24][25]

Here's more....... let me know if you want the link and I'll post it,
but I think you don't.

Weather -" Modification:
the Evolution of an R&D Program into a Weapon System
In an obscure Vietnamese publication on the history of the battle of
Dien Bien Phu, the following notation appears under the entry for
Apri 1 23, (1954)
The General Staff of General Navarre sent a radio message to
{General)Cogny informing him that on April 24, 150 baskets of
activated charcoal and 150 bags of ballast would be flown from
Paris for the making of artificial rain aimed at impeding our
movement and supply. (1)
Assum:ing the event took place as reported, it had no known effect
or consequences. It is interesting to recall that french forces
apparently had initiated the use of chemical agents in World War I
in a similarly amateurish fashion(~on this occasion the consequences
were fortunately not the same.
't\te.
In\summer of 1972, however, it was reported that the United States had
been using weather modification techniques in the Indochina War from
1967~hrough 1972 in an effort to increase rainfall as an adjunct to
military operations. (3) Several U.S.Congressional Hearings then
followed, both in the Senate and the House, and in one of these two
years later in 1974, an official administration confirmation of the
program was made (4). With these events as stimulii weather and
climate
modification and environmental warfare entered onto the scene of
international
concern and coincidentally also rapidly into international
negotiations.
Pressure from the US Congress, which was at the time concerned
with several exotic forms of US military usage in the Indochina
theater was one factor. But a more important one was probably the
coincidence
of the ongoing but lagging US/USSR SALT (Strategic Arms Limitation
Talks) and the felt political need in both the US and the USSR to
provide for new agreements at forthcoming summit meetings that were
anticipated in the middle-1970's. This situation served to'direct more
government attention to the subject than might otherwise have occured.

[wollybird]

>
> Wolli/Dick, I never said they were spraying for 60 years....... I said
> this," As far as controlling the weather they've been working on that
> for the
> past 60 years, it would be quite a weapon don't ya think?"
>
> "Controlling" and "spraying" are two different words, but whatever, in
> your world it's all about what you believe rather than fact.

so the whole chemtrail thing is a cock and bull story, because they
haven't really been spraying, just working on it.
Good.
Let's monve on to the next Alex Jones headline. This one's getting
moldy.

[Green Tea]

Geo-engineering for dumbos.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPJ23Mbjk_Q

[wollybird]

OK, Mike. the space shuttle's main engine runs on liquid oxygen and
liquid hydrogen. If you want to call that geo engineering because it
makes water, be my guest.

[Richard Jernigan]

On Feb 9, 9:52 am, Green Tea <dewachen1...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Who says I have ethical morals............ you?  We live in the Kali Yuga, survival is dependent upon deception
> and, otherwise you can't play the game.

Your religion teaches you to be deceitful? Poor fool, no wonder you're
such an asshole.

RNJ

[Green Tea]

What can I say they are making clouds with it!

At 2:00 into this video you can begin to get an idea of what is going
on, it's reality, not conspiracy theory.
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/what-in-the-world-are-they-spraying/

[Green Tea]

Yer a class act Richard.

[wollybird]

Which part?......... they're talking about it (which I've been aware
of for several years) or they're doing it, which we decided was a cock
and bull story just yesterday?

[wollybird]

I thought it was pretty funny.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wk1Ra8rhUo0

It can't be the Kali Yuga, btw.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/10/111004-nobel-prize-physics-universe-expansion-what-is-dark-energy-science/

[Green Tea]

On Feb 11, 8:12 pm, wollybird <wollyb...@frontiernet.net> wrote:
> On Feb 11, 8:58 pm, Green Tea <dewachen1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 11, 7:32 pm, Richard Jernigan <rnjerni...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 9, 9:52 am, Green Tea <dewachen1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Who says I have ethical morals............ you?  We live in the Kali Yuga, survival is dependent upon deception
> > > > and, otherwise you can't play the game.
>
> > > Your religion teaches you to be deceitful? Poor fool, no wonder you're
> > > such an asshole.
>
> > > RNJ
>
> >  Yer a class act Richard.
>
> I thought it was pretty funny.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wk1Ra8rhUo0

Richard has developed turrets syndrome in his old age, must have been
all the gardasil shots he got, when he was still able to get it up.
>
> It can't be the Kali Yuga, btw.http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/10/111004-nobel-prize-ph...

Oh whoa! Another scientist tells us about the universe expanding! I
suppose Wolli/Dick you believe time is linear.

BTW, that has nothing to do with the Kali Yuga. Read up on Plato!

[Green Tea]

I don't know WTF yer talking about. If it's the geo engineering as
you can see from the video where there is smoke there is fire. You
just gotta figure out that trusting everything you hear as righteous,
undefiled truth, you know NPR, and such, is not the best idea.

You know Wolli/Dick it's easy to fill up the mind with information,
but it's really hard to get people like you to think for themselves, I
don't get the feeling you would function well out side the banking
perimeter. You rank right up there with insurance salesman on the
excitement/creativity level........

Look at Einstein, he was a scientist, but he got lots of chicks,
because he was a creative thinker........ I'm just asking you you to
think about your pathetic delima a little if for no other reason than
an little female companionship....... to get those creative thoughts
going.......

[wollybird]

Yes, Einstein was a nut bag that sat around and watched conspiracy
videos all day. The chicks just flocked to him.
LOL

[Artisan]

"wollybird" <woll...@frontiernet.net> wrote in message
news:fccdb8bb-2b9d-40a6...@j15g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...

What makes you think Green Tea doesn't do any original research?

[wollybird]

Which video should I let do my thinking for me? We're up to three so
far.

[wollybird]

On Feb 12, 11:06 am, "Artisan" <ar...@nospamplease.net.invalid> wrote:
> "wollybird" <wollyb...@frontiernet.net> wrote in message

Call it a hunch.
Do you think Einstein went to Star Trek conventions to pick up women
when watching conspiracy videos didn't do the trick?

[Green Tea]

Watching the evening news isn't conspiracy theory? The bankster take
over isn't a conspiracy? You throw that word around hoping it
sticks..... LOL Wolli you don't know which way is up or down, do you
ape! Yer not doing a great job proving your sanity, you sound more
like Rodny Dangerfeild.

[Green Tea]

Wolli/Dick you can watch whatever you like, probably NPR, and the
evening news with Brian Williams is more your speed. All I ask is you
clean up your sloppy thinking next time you post your half ass
thoughts.

[Green Tea]

You got the last part right!

[wollybird]

OK Mike, if you want to call a rocket engine a "weather machine" be my
guest.

[Green Tea]

Oh no...... you didn't watch the video!