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Pujol study #5 video (with spoken into!)

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Tommy Grand

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Nov 18, 2009, 11:23:59 PM11/18/09
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Well guys, I tried to force a bit of facial expression in this one.
Oddly, only about a tenth of it came through to the outside world. In
my inner world, I felt like I was mugging like Jim Carrie.

Per Tashi's suggestion I gave a spoken intro of my self, my goals and
objectives!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8shvyVisRI

Tashi

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Nov 19, 2009, 12:05:33 AM11/19/09
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Tommy that was great! It's nice to see your personality come through.
I would be good if more people did that here. Was your camera on a
Sepia setting? It looks remarkably good.

Tommy Grand

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Nov 19, 2009, 12:42:01 AM11/19/09
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On Nov 19, 12:05 am, Tashi <dewachen1...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Tommy that was great!  It's nice to see your personality come through.
> I would be good if more people did that here.  Was your camera on a
> Sepia setting?  It looks remarkably good.

Thanks Tashi, yes I too think it would be fun if more people posted
stuff. But I also understand the fear factor.

I didn't use any special camera setting, I just push record. But I
turned on all the lights in the room, including the desk lamp which
was right in front of the camera. I guess it was just synergy.


arys

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Nov 19, 2009, 1:06:42 AM11/19/09
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Great playing, it made my day!
I also noted that, in addition to it sounding a better to my taste
than some of your recent recording, at least in terms of tone, your
right hand looked a lot better. Wish to speculate on this?

-MK

Ángel de Vicente

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Nov 19, 2009, 4:48:21 AM11/19/09
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Hi Tommy,

I'm very new to rec.music.classical.guitar, and quite new to classical
guitar as well, but I appreciate you posting this. It could certainly be
a nice way to build a "community" of interested amateur players (I live
in a small island, and there are no many classical guitar players around
here).

Well done and keep going. When my guitar level is a tad better, I will
probably join in...

Cheers,
�ngel de Vicente

Tommy Grand

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Nov 19, 2009, 6:02:17 AM11/19/09
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On Nov 19, 1:06 am, arys <miln...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Great playing, it made my day!
> I also noted that, in addition to it sounding a better to my taste
> than some of your recent recording, at least in terms of tone, your
> right hand looked a lot better. Wish to speculate on this?

Thanks arys! As for the improvements you mention, I didn't
consciously change anything. Could be it that I'm wearing a jacket in
this video, and simply makes my wrist look less curved?

Prior to commencing this little series of videos, I hadn't played in a
long time (like a month and a half). So it could just be that I've
been back in the saddle for a few days.

Also nerves are gradually becomese less of a factor.

Anyway thanks again.

Tommy Grand

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Nov 19, 2009, 6:14:12 AM11/19/09
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On Nov 19, 4:48 am, Ángel de Vicente <txibi...@remove.gmail.me.com>
wrote:

> I'm very new to rec.music.classical.guitar, and quite new to classical
> guitar as well, but I appreciate you posting this. It could certainly be
> a nice way to build a "community" of interested amateur players (I live
> in a small island, and there are no many classical guitar players around
> here).
>
> Well done and keep going. When my guitar level is a tad better, I will
> probably join in...

Hello Angel, thanks for listening and welcome to RMCG. Yes, I have a
vision that one day we will all relax a bit and share more music with
each other. Like everyone else, I used to say "I will post something
as soon as I polish it". But then I realized, the fear of being
imperfect is one of the things that holds me back as a player. How
irrational is that?

Andrew Schulman

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Nov 19, 2009, 11:43:37 AM11/19/09
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On Nov 19, 6:14 am, Tommy Grand <howardj...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Yes, I have a
> vision that one day we will all relax a bit and share more music with
> each other.  Like everyone else, I used to say "I will post something
> as soon as I polish it".  But then I realized, the fear of being
> imperfect is one of the things that holds me back as a player.  How
> irrational is that?
>
>
You are doing a great job with this Mr. Grand. One part of how you
get better as a player is to play out, push yourself forward, and that
is exactly what you are doing. Keep up the good work!

Andrew

Slogoin

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Nov 19, 2009, 12:59:31 PM11/19/09
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Your videos are getting more interesting to hear and watch. The
anonymous hotel room and product placement ad were great additions.
The power suit goes with the hotel setting and the lighting is worthy
of Hitchcock himself. - then you top it all off with that enigmatic
look into the camera at the end. The bang for buck production values
are impressive.

While you bring out the cello line well the chord line suffers a
bit from it. The facial expressions do give clues to the listener so
it's an improvement if that's what you are after. I agree with MT that
talking helps humanize you for most people so the intro worked also.

Andrew Schulman

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Nov 19, 2009, 1:13:07 PM11/19/09
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On Nov 19, 12:59 pm, Slogoin <la...@deack.net> wrote:
> I agree with MT that
> talking helps humanize you for most people so the intro worked also.
>
>
Larry, do you think Mr. Grand is otherwise inhuman?

Andrew

Slogoin

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Nov 19, 2009, 1:34:40 PM11/19/09
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On Nov 19, 10:13 am, Andrew Schulman <and...@abacaproductions.com>
wrote:

Just ask yourself why TG won't produce his birth certificate. Why
the anonymous hotel? Why does TG have a problem showing emotion? Can't
you smell the cover-up here? Can you say extra terrestrial shape
shifting lizard person? It all fits together, man, don't you
seeeeee?!!!!

Tommy Grand

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Nov 19, 2009, 2:06:42 PM11/19/09
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On Nov 19, 12:59 pm, Slogoin <la...@deack.net> wrote:

>    Your videos are getting more interesting to hear and watch. The
> anonymous hotel room and product placement ad were great additions.

Yes, I've heard some people get rich by plugging their cameras,
mousepads, etc on YouTube. Too bad I forgot the brand name in the
moment. Hm. BTW, the "anonymous" hotel room was room 3940 of the
Sheraton New York in Times Square. Don't bother sending your men
after me...I checked out this morning.


>    While you bring out the cello line well the chord line suffers a
> bit from it. The facial expressions do give clues to the listener so
> it's an improvement if that's what you are after. I agree with MT that
> talking helps humanize you for most people so the intro worked also.

Many thanks. I felt I played the chords too loud in study #2, so I
tried to back off in this study. Perhaps I went too far. I was
envisioning a cello solo with pizzicato string accompaniment.

Slogoin

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Nov 19, 2009, 3:08:48 PM11/19/09
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On Nov 19, 11:06 am, Tommy Grand <howardj...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Yes, I've heard some people get rich by plugging their cameras,
> mousepads, etc on YouTube.

I was talking about the Pepsi can. Product ad placements are always
subliminal.

> Many thanks.  I felt I played the chords too loud in study #2, so I
> tried to back off in this study.  Perhaps I went too far.  I was
> envisioning a cello solo with pizzicato string accompaniment.

Loud, soft or whatever makes little difference. It's the way the
chords hang together as a line, or not - which is more about how you
shape the line, which you did well with the bass line. You can do
better on the tone of those chords so they support the bass more even
if you think of them as pizz strings. The problem with the pizz idea
is you hold them sometimes and play them detached at others so the
illusion of pizz throughout is not going to fly. If you want pizz then
don't hold any of the chords. I don't think it works well that way so
you are left with working on the sections with the gaps.

Thin White Duke

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Nov 19, 2009, 4:07:48 PM11/19/09
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On Nov 19, 5:14 am, Tommy Grand <howardj...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> But then I realized, the fear of being imperfect is one of the things that holds me back as a
> player.

Yes, the perfectionist must cultivate the courage and humility to be
imperfect.

"The other anecdote is personal. Once he asked me gently about the
progress of my thesis. It was about time, as I had been working on it
for some seven years. I told him that I thought there was still some
work to be done. He turned to me with those piercing but kindly eyes,
saying with a smile: "Nur Mut zur Lücke" (Have the courage to leave
some gaps). In other words, be courageous enough to be imperfect."

From:

http://tinyurl.com/yb8wsdf

Tommy Grand

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Nov 19, 2009, 4:28:49 PM11/19/09
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On Nov 19, 3:08 pm, Slogoin <la...@deack.net> wrote:

>     Loud, soft or whatever makes little difference. It's the way the
> chords hang together as a line, or not - which is more about how you
> shape the line, which you did well with the bass line. You can do
> better on the tone of those chords so they support the bass more even
> if you think of them as pizz strings. The problem with the pizz idea
> is you hold them sometimes and play them detached at others so the
> illusion of pizz throughout is not going to fly. If you want pizz then
> don't hold any of the chords. I don't think it works well that way so
> you are left with working on the sections with the gaps.

I follow you now. Agreed, definitely need some more attention to
detail on the chords.

Alain Reiher

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Nov 19, 2009, 7:21:01 PM11/19/09
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Very articulate and at ease speaking in front of the
camera. I think what you have potentially done, and if it's not yet done it
will be soon, it to entice many people to look at these Pujol studies. I did
for one and they are excellent material! (I never went through book 2 and
started right on book 3 (two first studies) with my teacher at the
conservatory).
Is that the Creative labs vado HD camera? (you did not re-mentioned it in
the video)

Alain


Eric E

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Nov 19, 2009, 9:59:14 PM11/19/09
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Tommy,
Nicely played. Very relaxed. Great intro too.

--Eric Elias

Tommy Grand

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Nov 20, 2009, 12:32:48 AM11/20/09
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Many thanks Alain. That first study in book 3 is wild, way too hard
for me. I wonder if I'll ever be able to play it.

Yes, that's the camera...

Tommy Grand

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Nov 20, 2009, 12:36:41 AM11/20/09
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On Nov 19, 9:59 pm, Eric E <geekgui...@aol.com> wrote:

> Tommy,
>   Nicely played.  Very relaxed.  Great intro too.
>
> --Eric Elias

Thanks, I'm going to try a few more but soon I'll run out of Pujol
studies I can play. Like I said to Alain, #13 is way too tuff. Maybe
someone here more advanced can take over. Now that would be a killer
project, we could all team up and record the whole method. Hmm.

Here's someone doing 13: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RsWOH2DdIo

Alain Reiher

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Nov 20, 2009, 12:57:52 AM11/20/09
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Looks scary (maybe because it's in F# major ...) but .... really I find it
less difficult in some ways than the fisrt one of the second book you
recorded. (Which I can play now).

I tried to order it ... the Creative labs Vado HD pocket camera and ...
shoooks! They will not ship to Canada ... Am I lucky or what! [;o)

Alain

Alain Reiher

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Nov 20, 2009, 1:08:43 AM11/20/09
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===================================
Eh! He does not do the repeats ...and the rasguerdo at the end is de tr�s
mauvais go�t! (But speed wise ... he is there).
The following studies in that book are quite tough! A scary project but eh!
I'll collaborate if I can take care of # 1 and 2 of book 3! (But no more
bull eyes recording! That's it!)
Another fun collaborative project would be the Ponce 24 preludes (I'll take
the one in F# minor and the one in Eb major!)

Alain

Tommy Grand

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Nov 20, 2009, 8:27:32 AM11/20/09
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On Nov 20, 12:57 am, "Alain Reiher" <rei...@telus.net> wrote:

> Looks scary (maybe because it's in F# major ...) but .... really I find it
> less difficult in some ways than the fisrt one of the second book you
> recorded. (Which I can play now).

For me, that long run up the 4th string and then back down is the
hardest element. And of course it all has to be done at MM=100.

But I think I know what you mean about Study 1 in book 2. Even though
it doesn't move around the neck much, for me it is sort of like a
tongue twister for the left hand. Someone told me I should focus on
LH/RH sync to improve that study, because it sounds too staccato. I
think they are right.

> I tried to order it ... the Creative labs Vado HD pocket camera and ...
> shoooks! They will not ship to Canada ... Am I lucky or what! [;o)

If you want, I could buy it and send it to you. That's legal right?

Tommy Grand

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Nov 20, 2009, 8:44:10 AM11/20/09
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On Nov 20, 1:08 am, "Alain Reiher" <rei...@telus.net> wrote:


> The following studies in that book are quite tough! A scary project but eh!
> I'll collaborate if I can take care of # 1 and 2 of book 3!

I'll collaborate as long as I can *skip* the first two studies (ie #13
and #14) in book 3, along with study 16. But there are several in
book 3 I think I could play, such as this glorious study, from the
lesson on "Three note arpeggio patterns with the thumb on the first
and third notes of each arpeggio": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHPmeIGW-jU

> Another fun collaborative project would be the Ponce 24 preludes (I'll take
> the one in F# minor and the one in Eb major!)

Hm I don't know these at all. But if they are not too advanced, I'll
join the fun.

Alain Reiher

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Nov 20, 2009, 10:48:45 AM11/20/09
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"Tommy Grand" <howar...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 20, 12:57 am, "Alain Reiher" <rei...@telus.net> wrote:

> Looks scary (maybe because it's in F# major ...) but .... really I find it
> less difficult in some ways than the fisrt one of the second book you
> recorded. (Which I can play now).

For me, that long run up the 4th string and then back down is the
hardest element. And of course it all has to be done at MM=100.

But I think I know what you mean about Study 1 in book 2. Even though
it doesn't move around the neck much, for me it is sort of like a
tongue twister for the left hand.

=====================
Yes, nice way to put it.

=======================


Someone told me I should focus on
LH/RH sync to improve that study, because it sounds too staccato. I
think they are right.

===================================
Well there are some elements of coordination in it ... I like it because
they are easy to isolate and to work at them on the neck as "extracted
exercises". Like as in mm 13-14. This kind of ppractice increase velocity
quickly.

====================================

> I tried to order it ... the Creative labs Vado HD pocket camera and ...
> shoooks! They will not ship to Canada ... Am I lucky or what! [;o)

If you want, I could buy it and send it to you. That's legal right?

===========

Thanks for the offer Tommy, but Bellingham is one hour away from here ....
hopefully I'll find the time to go down and find one there!

Alain


Robert Crim

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Nov 20, 2009, 12:05:50 PM11/20/09
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On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:48:45 GMT, "Alain Reiher" <rei...@telus.net>
wrote:

Of course, you could have it shipped to Darren Hippner in Pt.
Roberts......about 50 yds from Canada.......and check out his guitars
as well.

Robert

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