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dewach...@gmail.com

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Oct 10, 2012, 1:39:32 AM10/10/12
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Guitar with a one piece top. I whipped up a couple of pieces I used to know 25 years ago, I was thinking everyones tired of the Handel variations.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5TwmRrX4B4&feature=player_detailpage

Some photos of this guitar....
http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa334/MichaelThames/DSC_0021.jpg
http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa334/MichaelThames/DSC_0041-1.jpg
http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa334/MichaelThames/DSC_0040-1.jpg
http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa334/MichaelThames/DSC_0043-2.jpg
http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa334/MichaelThames/DSC_0046-1.jpg
http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa334/MichaelThames/DSC_0047.jpg

Benoit Meulle-Stef

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Oct 10, 2012, 2:46:31 AM10/10/12
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Too bad he ruins everything been an ass...

Benoit

Alphonsus Jr.

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Oct 10, 2012, 3:26:57 AM10/10/12
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Fabuloso!

John Nguyen

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Oct 10, 2012, 8:05:30 AM10/10/12
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On Oct 10, 1:39 am, dewachen1...@gmail.com wrote:
> Guitar with a one piece top.  I whipped up a couple of pieces I used to know 25 years ago, I was thinking everyones tired of the Handel variations.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5TwmRrX4B4&feature=player_detailpage
>
> Some photos of this guitar....http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa334/MichaelThames/DSC_0021.jpghttp://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa334/MichaelThames/DSC_0041-1.jpghttp://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa334/MichaelThames/DSC_0040-1.jpghttp://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa334/MichaelThames/DSC_0043-2.jpghttp://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa334/MichaelThames/DSC_0046-1.jpghttp://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa334/MichaelThames/DSC_0047.jpg

Wow, that's a very nice looking guitar, and it sounded great in your
hands. Congrats!
Is it Brazilian rosewood?

dewach...@gmail.com

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Oct 10, 2012, 10:56:29 AM10/10/12
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Please, please....... for the love of god man, learn some damn English...... and quit calling me an ass in every post you write...... oh and BTW, it's spelt arse!

dewach...@gmail.com

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Oct 10, 2012, 10:57:17 AM10/10/12
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Thank you my friend!

dewach...@gmail.com

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Oct 10, 2012, 10:58:27 AM10/10/12
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Thanks John, that guitar went to another one of your ancestral country men!

John Nguyen

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Oct 10, 2012, 11:30:14 AM10/10/12
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On Oct 10, 10:58 am, dewachen1...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 6:05:30 AM UTC-6, John Nguyen wrote:
> > On Oct 10, 1:39 am, dewachen1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > Guitar with a one piece top.  I whipped up a couple of pieces I used to know 25 years ago, I was thinking everyones tired of the Handel variations.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5TwmRrX4B4&feature=player_detailpage
>
> > > Some photos of this guitar....http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa334/MichaelThames/DSC_0021.jpgh...
>
> > Wow, that's a very nice looking guitar, and it sounded great in your
>
> > hands. Congrats!
>
> > Is it Brazilian rosewood?
>
> Thanks John, that guitar went to another one of your ancestral country men!-

Dang, he has good taste!

David Raleigh Arnold

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Oct 10, 2012, 12:34:18 PM10/10/12
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On Tue, 09 Oct 2012 22:39:32 -0700, dewachen1000 wrote:

> Guitar with a one piece top. I whipped up a couple of pieces I used to
> know 25 years ago, I was thinking everyones tired of the Handel
> variations.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5TwmRrX4B4&feature=player_detailpage

Take the slurs out except for the trills. They sound lame,
even when Segovia did them.
Regards, daveA

--
Guitar teaching materials and original music for all styles and levels.
Site: http://www.openguitar.com (()) eMail: d.raleig...@gmail.com
Contact: http://www.openguitar.com/contact.html"

dewach...@gmail.com

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Oct 10, 2012, 1:30:30 PM10/10/12
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Neither you nor Segovia know anything about lute music!

David Raleigh Arnold

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Oct 10, 2012, 1:33:54 PM10/10/12
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I know that sort of slur *was not done* in the day, and
I know the reason. It's lame, especially on a
renaissance lute. daveA

Andrew Schulman

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Oct 10, 2012, 6:04:18 PM10/10/12
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On Oct 10, 1:39 am, dewachen1...@gmail.com wrote:
> Guitar with a one piece top.  I whipped up a couple of pieces I used to know 25 years ago, I was thinking everyones tired of the Handel variations.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5TwmRrX4B4&feature=player_detailpage
>
> Some photos of this guitar....http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa334/MichaelThames/DSC_0021.jpghttp://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa334/MichaelThames/DSC_0041-1.jpghttp://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa334/MichaelThames/DSC_0040-1.jpghttp://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa334/MichaelThames/DSC_0043-2.jpghttp://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa334/MichaelThames/DSC_0046-1.jpghttp://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa334/MichaelThames/DSC_0047.jpg
>
>
Great work!

Andrew

dewach...@gmail.com

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Oct 10, 2012, 7:33:22 PM10/10/12
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I had the Chiesotti modern tabs from the original MS. The pieces that were arranged for guitar don't resemble at all the original lute pieces, in fact I didn't recognize a single piece from that MS. They are guitar music as far as I'm concerned, and should be played as such.

Going up and down the neck in thirds for instance rarely exists in lute music. The Salterello is hardly recognizable as the piece we hear today.

In baroque lute music you slur every other note and that's a fact!

dewach...@gmail.com

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Oct 11, 2012, 8:58:08 AM10/11/12
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Thanks Andrew, BTW, I forgot to mention I used Jescar evo gold fret wire. Man! it really improved the playability they are tall frets and have a beautiful gold color to them, I just tried them for the first time one this guitar..... anazing frets! They cost twice as much as regular fret wire.
http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa334/MichaelThames/DSC_0205.jpg
http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa334/MichaelThames/DSC_0206.jpg
http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa334/MichaelThames/DSC_0210.jpg
http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa334/MichaelThames/DSC_0212.jpg

Douglas Seth

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Oct 11, 2012, 9:57:25 AM10/11/12
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On Oct 11, 8:58 am, dewachen1...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 4:04:18 PM UTC-6, Andrew Schulman wrote:
> > On Oct 10, 1:39 am, dewachen1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > Guitar with a one piece top.  I whipped up a couple of pieces I used to know 25 years ago, I was thinking everyones tired of the Handel variations.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5TwmRrX4B4&feature=player_detailpage
>
> > > Some photos of this guitar....http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa334/MichaelThames/DSC_0021.jpgh...
>
> > Great work!
>
> > Andrew
>
> Thanks Andrew, BTW, I forgot to mention I used Jescar evo gold fret wire. Man!  it really improved the playability they are tall frets and have a beautiful gold color to them,  I just tried them for the first time one this guitar..... anazing frets!  They cost twice as much as regular fret wire.http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa334/MichaelThames/DSC_0205.jpghttp://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa334/MichaelThames/DSC_0206.jpghttp://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa334/MichaelThames/DSC_0210.jpghttp://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa334/MichaelThames/DSC_0212.jpg

I think my Navarro Reyes flamenco has these frets or something like
them. It was one of first things I noticed when I bought that guitar.
It makes the guitar incredible easy to play especially barring. The
large frets do change the feel of pull offs (sorry, slurs!) on the
first string especially.

David Raleigh Arnold

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Oct 11, 2012, 12:27:51 PM10/11/12
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It's not baroque music. It's true that a guitar sounds more like
a baroque lute than a renaissance lute. So what?

In renaissance lute music you don't slur, and that's a fact.
It's a million times better without the slurs. *Try it*.

Douglas Seth

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Oct 11, 2012, 1:33:10 PM10/11/12
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On Oct 11, 12:27 pm, David Raleigh Arnold <d.raleigh.arn...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 16:33:22 -0700, dewachen1000 wrote:
> > On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 11:33:58 AM UTC-6, daveA wrote:
> >> On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 10:30:30 -0700, dewachen1000 wrote:
>
> >> > On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 10:34:22 AM UTC-6, daveA wrote:
>
> >> >> On Tue, 09 Oct 2012 22:39:32 -0700, dewachen1000 wrote:
>
> >> >> > Guitar with a one piece top.  I whipped up a couple of pieces I
> >> >> > used
>
> >> >> > to
>
> >> >> > know 25 years ago, I was thinking everyones tired of the Handel
>
> >> >> > variations.
>
> >> >> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?
>
> v=y5TwmRrX4B4&feature=player_detailpage
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >> >> Take the slurs out except for the trills. They sound lame,
>
> >> >> even when Segovia did them.
>
> >> >> Regards, daveA
>
> >> >> --
>
> >> >> Guitar teaching materials and original music for all styles and
> >> >> levels.
>
> >> >> Site:http://www.openguitar.com(()) eMail:
> >> >> d.raleigh.arn...@gmail.com
>
> >> >> Contact:http://www.openguitar.com/contact.html"
>
> >> > Neither you nor Segovia know anything about lute music!
>
> >> I know that sort of slur *was not done* in the day, and
>
> >> I know the reason. It's lame, especially on a
>
> >> renaissance lute. daveA
>
> >> --
>
> >> Guitar teaching materials and original music for all styles and levels.
>
> >> Site:http://www.openguitar.com(()) eMail: d.raleigh.arn...@gmail.com
>
> >> Contact:http://www.openguitar.com/contact.html"
>
> > I had the Chiesotti modern tabs from the original MS.  The pieces that
> > were arranged for guitar don't resemble at all the original lute pieces,
> > in fact I didn't recognize a single piece from that MS.  They are guitar
> > music as far as I'm concerned, and should be played as such.
>
> > Going up and down the neck in thirds for instance rarely exists in lute
> > music.  The Salterello is hardly recognizable as the piece we hear
> > today.
>
> > In baroque lute music you slur every other note and that's a fact!
>
> It's not baroque music. It's true that a guitar sounds more like
> a baroque lute than a renaissance lute. So what?
>
> In renaissance lute music you don't slur, and that's a fact.
> It's a million times better without the slurs. *Try it*.
> Regards, daveA
>
> --
> Guitar teaching materials and original music for all styles and levels.
> Site:http://www.openguitar.com(()) eMail: d.raleigh.arn...@gmail.com
> Contact:http://www.openguitar.com/contact.html"

Don't listen to this joker, Michael. It sounds good as is.

dewach...@gmail.com

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Oct 11, 2012, 1:58:38 PM10/11/12
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DaveA, do you really think yer telling me something I don't know? I cut my nails off and played lute with thumb under for 5 years. I got the thumb-under transmission from the man himself Paul Odette.

The six ren lute pieces are guitar arrangements of lute music that hardly resembles the MS. So, I play guitar music on the guitar with guitar technique.

There is no way to play the guitar with thumb under and use nails, so I play guitar with guitar technique. If I were to play the Salterello without slurs it sounds way too staccato, and frankly at the tempo it should be played at you would need a technique like Scot Tenent which I don't posses. Staccato and ren lute music don't go hand in hand. Now run along and bother someone else with your ridiculous remarks.

Guitarzan

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Oct 11, 2012, 2:14:16 PM10/11/12
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On Oct 11, 10:27 am, David Raleigh Arnold <d.raleigh.arn...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 16:33:22 -0700, dewachen1000 wrote:
> > On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 11:33:58 AM UTC-6, daveA wrote:
> >> On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 10:30:30 -0700, dewachen1000 wrote:
>
> >> > On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 10:34:22 AM UTC-6, daveA wrote:
>
> >> >> On Tue, 09 Oct 2012 22:39:32 -0700, dewachen1000 wrote:
>
> >> >> > Guitar with a one piece top.  I whipped up a couple of pieces I
> >> >> > used
>
> >> >> > to
>
> >> >> > know 25 years ago, I was thinking everyones tired of the Handel
>
> >> >> > variations.
>
> >> >> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?
>
> v=y5TwmRrX4B4&feature=player_detailpage
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >> >> Take the slurs out except for the trills. They sound lame,
>
> >> >> even when Segovia did them.
>
> >> >> Regards, daveA
>
> >> >> --
>
> >> >> Guitar teaching materials and original music for all styles and
> >> >> levels.
>
> >> >> Site:http://www.openguitar.com(()) eMail:
> >> >> d.raleigh.arn...@gmail.com
>
> >> >> Contact:http://www.openguitar.com/contact.html"
>
> >> > Neither you nor Segovia know anything about lute music!
>
> >> I know that sort of slur *was not done* in the day, and
>
> >> I know the reason. It's lame, especially on a
>
> >> renaissance lute. daveA
>
> >> --
>
> >> Guitar teaching materials and original music for all styles and levels.
>
> >> Site:http://www.openguitar.com(()) eMail: d.raleigh.arn...@gmail.com
>
> >> Contact:http://www.openguitar.com/contact.html"
>
> > I had the Chiesotti modern tabs from the original MS.  The pieces that
> > were arranged for guitar don't resemble at all the original lute pieces,
> > in fact I didn't recognize a single piece from that MS.  They are guitar
> > music as far as I'm concerned, and should be played as such.
>
> > Going up and down the neck in thirds for instance rarely exists in lute
> > music.  The Salterello is hardly recognizable as the piece we hear
> > today.
>
> > In baroque lute music you slur every other note and that's a fact!
>
> It's not baroque music. It's true that a guitar sounds more like
> a baroque lute than a renaissance lute. So what?
>
> In renaissance lute music you don't slur, and that's a fact.
> It's a million times better without the slurs. *Try it*.
> Regards, daveA
>
> --
> Guitar teaching materials and original music for all styles and levels.
> Site:http://www.openguitar.com(()) eMail: d.raleigh.arn...@gmail.com
> Contact:http://www.openguitar.com/contact.html"

This guy uses slurs too, in fact I have yet to find an example on
youtube of a guitarist not using slurs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cnc7oA_gTm4

Andrew Schulman

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Oct 11, 2012, 3:23:22 PM10/11/12
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On Oct 11, 8:58 am, dewachen1...@gmail.com wrote:
> Thanks Andrew, BTW, I forgot to mention I used Jescar evo gold fret wire. Man!  it really improved the playability they are tall frets and have a beautiful gold color to them,  I just tried them for the first time one this guitar..... anazing frets!  They cost twice as much as regular fret wire.http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa334/MichaelThames/DSC_0205.jpghttp://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa334/MichaelThames/DSC_0206.jpghttp://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa334/MichaelThames/DSC_0210.jpghttp://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa334/MichaelThames/DSC_0212.jpg
>
>
I love the gold color.

Andrew

John E. Golden

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Oct 11, 2012, 6:18:28 PM10/11/12
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On 10/11/2012 03:23 PM, Andrew Schulman wrote:
> On Oct 11, 8:58 am, dewachen1...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Thanks Andrew, BTW, I forgot to mention I used Jescar evo gold fret
>> wire. Man! it really improved the playability they are tall frets
>> and have a beautiful gold color to them, I just tried them for the
>> first time one this guitar..... anazing frets! They cost twice as
>> much as regular fret wire.

http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa334/MichaelThames/DSC_0205.jp

ghttp://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa334/MichaelThames/DSC_0206.jpg

http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa334/MichaelThames/DSC_0210.jpg

http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa334/MichaelThames/DSC_0212.jpg

I love the gold color.
>
> Andrew

Me too.

Regards,
John E. Golden


David Raleigh Arnold

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Oct 12, 2012, 11:31:55 AM10/12/12
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On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 10:58:38 -0700, dewachen1000 wrote:

>> DaveA, do you really think yer telling me something I don't know? I
cut
> my nails off and played lute with thumb under for 5 years. I got the
> thumb-under transmission from the man himself Paul Odette.
>
> The six ren lute pieces are guitar arrangements of lute music that
> hardly resembles the MS. So, I play guitar music on the guitar with
> guitar technique.
>
> There is no way to play the guitar with thumb under and use nails, so I
> play guitar with guitar technique. If I were to play the Salterello
> without slurs it sounds way too staccato, and frankly at the tempo it
> should be played at you would need a technique like Scot Tenent which I
> don't posses. Staccato and ren lute music don't go hand in hand. Now
> run along and bother someone else with your ridiculous remarks.

Just because you can't do it doesn't mean it can't
be done. You don't play it that fast anyway, and
if you can't play it without staccato you need
work. IAC, you are conflating the problems of the
instrument with the problems of the player.

What's on YouTube imitates Segovia, and he didn't play it
worth a ----.

dewach...@gmail.com

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Oct 12, 2012, 9:32:39 PM10/12/12
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OK find a video of how it should be played and post it. I would like to hear someone play it up to tempo and not use slurs. Btw, DaveA I'm a guitar maker, not a guitar player, I play the guitar very rarely, but when I do play I think it's not horrendous or anything.
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