Himmelhock, I believe respect must be earned. You need to listen to and study music. I can't think of a moment in my life when I have played as badly as John Williams.
On Nov 18, 9:48 am, Murdick <lutem...@aol.com> wrote:
> Himmelhock, I believe respect must be earned. You need to listen to and study music. I can't think of a moment in my life when I have played as badly as John Williams.
Wow, this is funny! I didn't know John Williams playing sax too :-)
On Nov 18, 9:48 am, Murdick <lutem...@aol.com> wrote:
> Himmelhock, I believe respect must be earned. You need to listen to and study music. I can't think of a moment in my life when I have played as badly as John Williams.
On Sunday, November 18, 2012 9:48:25 AM UTC-5, Murdick wrote:
> Himmelhock, I believe respect must be earned. You need to listen to and study music. I can't think of a moment in my life when I have played as badly as John Williams.
Yes, Kent, I too believe respect must be earned. Have you listened to the youtube of Sueno that John posted? Let's hear your rendition so we can compare the two. If you play it better than John Williams, you will have earned my respect.
I am sure Seth can speak for himself, but he did study at one of the best music schools in the country and is an excellent player. John Williams is a legend. Those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones... Just saying.
On Sunday, November 18, 2012 1:43:59 PM UTC-5, John Nguyen wrote:
> On Nov 18, 9:48 am, Murdick <lutem...@aol.com> wrote:
> > Himmelhock, I believe respect must be earned. You need to listen to and study music. I can't think of a moment in my life when I have played as badly as John Williams.
On Sunday, November 18, 2012 9:48:25 AM UTC-5, Murdick wrote:
> Himmelhock, I believe respect must be earned. You need to listen to and study music. I can't think of a moment in my life when I have played as badly as John Williams.
On Sunday, November 18, 2012 4:53:40 PM UTC-6, thomas wrote:
> On Sunday, November 18, 2012 1:43:59 PM UTC-5, John Nguyen wrote:
> > On Nov 18, 9:48 am, Murdick <lutem...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > Himmelhock, I believe respect must be earned. You need to listen to and study music. I can't think of a moment in my life when I have played as badly as John Williams.
> It was good up to the tremolo part. Then he got all JW again.
Thomas, it was a wooden performance from beginning to end. The only time JW plays with any musical sense at all is when he plays with a a group of real musicians. Then he tends to imitate some of the phrasing. I think he may be a idiot-savant. But then Russell is the same way. It could be that when you are rewarded at a very early age for merely playing the guitar technically well, you don't develop.
> Himmelhock, I believe respect must be earned. You need to listen to and study music. I can't think of a moment in my life when I have played as badly as John Williams.
I give respect from the beginning, and only disrespect when disrespect is deserved, Murdock!
I also applaud an artist when he first enters the stage. Do you?
On Sun, 18 Nov 2012 17:37:51 -0500, "John E. Golden"
<johnisgol...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>On 11/18/2012 01:43 PM, John Nguyen wrote:
>> On Nov 18, 9:48 am, Murdick <lutem...@aol.com> wrote:
>>> Himmelhock, I believe respect must be earned. You need to listen to and study music.
>I can't think of a moment in my life when I have played as badly as John >Williams.
On Sunday, November 18, 2012 2:57:22 PM UTC-5, ronaldg...@gmail.com wrote:
> I am sure Seth can speak for himself, but he did study at one of the best music schools in the country and is an excellent player. John Williams is a legend. Those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones... Just saying.
Am Sun, 18 Nov 2012 11:13:11 -0800 schrieb Charlie:
> Yes, Kent, I too believe respect must be earned. Have you listened to
> the youtube of Sueno that John posted? Let's hear your rendition so we
> can compare the two. If you play it better than John Williams, you will
> have earned my respect.
> Charlie
Hi Charlie,
there is a proverb in german:
"Man muss kein Huhn sein, um beurteilen zu können, ob ein Ei schmeckt"
This is roughly: "You need not be a hen to judge if an egg tastes good"
Your analogy of not having to be a hen to know if an egg taste good does not apply here. Kent, the hen, said his playing, the egg, was never as bad as John Williams. I asked him to prove it to me. He is evidently a hen claiming his eggs taste pretty good. So, as I said to Kent, prove it. Let's hear a sample of his playing.
> Am Sun, 18 Nov 2012 11:13:11 -0800 schrieb Charlie:
>> Yes, Kent, I too believe respect must be earned. Have you listened to
>> the youtube of Sueno that John posted? Let's hear your rendition so we
>> can compare the two. If you play it better than John Williams, you will
>> have earned my respect.
>> Charlie
> Hi Charlie,
> there is a proverb in german:
> "Man muss kein Huhn sein, um beurteilen zu k nnen, ob ein Ei schmeckt"
> This is roughly: "You need not be a hen to judge if an egg tastes good"
> Thomas
A similar proverb in English is from Samuel Johnson:
"You may abuse a tragedy, though you cannot write one. You may scold a carpenter who has made you a bad table, though you cannot make a table. It is not your trade to make tables."
(For the record I'm a fan of John Williams -- this is only about the proverbs)
On Monday, November 19, 2012 12:14:31 PM UTC-5, Paul Magnussen wrote:
> Thomas Scharkowski wrote:
> > there is a proverb in german:
> > "Man muss kein Huhn sein, um beurteilen zu können, ob ein Ei schmeckt"
> > This is roughly: "You need not be a hen to judge if an egg tastes good"
> And in English:
> "You don't have to be able to lay an egg to know a bad one."
> Paul Magnussen
I agree with Kent that JW plays woodenly, although the youtube linked above is not quite as wooden as some others I've heard from him. I disagree with Kent that JW plays "badly".
Obviously JW has the chops to make a piece sound however he wants it to sound. Therefore, he must actually hear the music that way. I don't like it much, but he does. That's his esthetic choice.
You can't criticize players like Yamashita and Williams on technical grounds, because they can play anything they want. They just hear music differently than some other music lovers do.
On Monday, November 19, 2012 1:57:05 PM UTC-6, thomas wrote:
> On Monday, November 19, 2012 12:14:31 PM UTC-5, Paul Magnussen wrote:
> > Thomas Scharkowski wrote:
> > > there is a proverb in german:
> > > "Man muss kein Huhn sein, um beurteilen zu können, ob ein Ei schmeckt"
> > > This is roughly: "You need not be a hen to judge if an egg tastes good"
> > And in English:
> > "You don't have to be able to lay an egg to know a bad one."
> > Paul Magnussen
> I agree with Kent that JW plays woodenly, although the youtube linked above is not quite as wooden as some others I've heard from him. I disagree with Kent that JW plays "badly".
> Obviously JW has the chops to make a piece sound however he wants it to sound. Therefore, he must actually hear the music that way. I don't like it much, but he does. That's his esthetic choice.
> You can't criticize players like Yamashita and Williams on technical grounds, because they can play anything they want. They just hear music differently than some other music lovers do.
I agree with everything you said, Thomas. BTW,I have learned a great deal about technique by watching JW play.
On Monday, November 19, 2012 5:52:55 PM UTC-6, Murdick wrote:
> On Monday, November 19, 2012 1:57:05 PM UTC-6, thomas wrote:
> > On Monday, November 19, 2012 12:14:31 PM UTC-5, Paul Magnussen wrote:
> > > Thomas Scharkowski wrote:
> > > > there is a proverb in german:
> > > > "Man muss kein Huhn sein, um beurteilen zu können, ob ein Ei schmeckt"
> > > > This is roughly: "You need not be a hen to judge if an egg tastes good"
> > > And in English:
> > > "You don't have to be able to lay an egg to know a bad one."
> > > Paul Magnussen
> > I agree with Kent that JW plays woodenly, although the youtube linked above is not quite as wooden as some others I've heard from him. I disagree with Kent that JW plays "badly".
> > Obviously JW has the chops to make a piece sound however he wants it to sound. Therefore, he must actually hear the music that way. I don't like it much, but he does. That's his esthetic choice.
> > You can't criticize players like Yamashita and Williams on technical grounds, because they can play anything they want. They just hear music differently than some other music lovers do.
> I agree with everything you said, Thomas. BTW,I have learned a great deal about technique by watching JW play.
I never know what to expect from John Williams. Some of his playing is expressive. His flawless technique lets him inflect the music subtly. He never wears his heart on his sleeve, but I find some of his Barrios stuff quite nice, though not in the same league as Alexander-Sergei Ramirez. Other times he sounds like a midi player. It can be infuriating.
